Lewis Hamilton receives backlash after calling India a 'poor place'

[gazza619]

World champion Lewis Hamilton has questioned Formula One's policy of organising races in new countries after this month's announcement of the Vietnam Grand Prix. Hamilton told the BBC that he would prefer to see more stops in countries with a genuine racing tradition, rather than expanding to new markets. On the racing side, I don't know how important it is to go to new countries as such," said Hamilton who sealed his fifth world title last month.

"If you had the Silverstone Grand Prix and a London Grand Prix, it would be pretty cool."

The Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, will hold a Formula One street race from 2020 after signing a 10-year deal.

Formula One has steadily expanded beyond its traditional heartlands, adding races in China, India, South Korea, Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Russia, Azerbaijan and Turkey, with mixed results.

At the same time, historic European races in England, Germany and Italy have come under threat, while France dropped off the circuit for 10 years before returning this season.

"We've got a lot of real racing history in England, Germany, Italy and now in the States it is starting to grow," said Hamilton.

"But you only have one event per year in those places. If it was my business, I'd be trying to do more events in those countries.

He added: "I've been to Vietnam before and it is beautiful. I've been to India before to a race which was strange because India was such a poor place yet we had this massive, beautiful grand prix track made in the middle of nowhere. I felt very conflicted when I went to that grand prix.

"We had a grand prix in Turkey and hardly anyone came. Cool track, cool weekend but poor audience."

Formula One has thrived in Singapore, but it didn't last long in India and South Korea. Vietnam also has scant racing tradition.

Hamilton said: "If you have the German Grand Prix and you've got a Grand Prix in Berlin, I think connecting to cities where a lot of people are is probably a good thing, not necessarily going to countries where they don't know so much about Formula One."

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[JaDed]

He wants to keep it as a rich country's game, fair enough he is British and obnoxious after all, that's what one expects from Sahiib.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Don't know why Indians lose their temper everytime they are made aware of the typical image of their country in the Western World.

Why is it so surprising that India is considered backward, filthy and Poor?

I think the successive government's in India are responsible here. Through their India Shining propaganda campaigns they have convinced their large illiterate and gullible population about it's fake Superpower Status.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He wants to keep it as a rich country's game, fair enough he is British and obnoxious after all, that's what one expects from Sahiib.

How is he obnoxious? Lewis is one of the all time great racing drivers. He is righ to say the main nations into motorsport are Germany, Italy and the UK. We should have more F1 races in these countries instead of going to a new track in India which is surrounded by poverty and rubbish cars on the road.

 

[CricVet]

Ahh..the reality bites like a dog as soon as someone tries to puncture the illusive bubble of being suppapowa.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Indians shouldn't react, we need to earn respect, not demand it. We are a 3rd world country, if we want to improve we need to first accept our situation and not be cocky over small achievements. Why troll someone who speaks the truth?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians shouldn't react, we need to earn respect, not demand it. We are a 3rd world country, if we want to improve we need to first accept our situation and not be cocky over small achievements. Why troll someone who speaks the truth?

Lewis wasn't being offensive. He was trying to say it was strange for him race in a brand new circuit which cost a lot of money but there was hardly any crowd and outside of the track he saw poverty.

The demand for F1 in the UK is very big, we should have more than one race in a country with a rich history of motorsport instead of taking it to places where the interest is very low.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Lewis wasn't being offensive. He was trying to say it was strange for him race in a brand new circuit which cost a lot of money but there was hardly any crowd and outside of the track he saw poverty.

The demand for F1 in the UK is very big, we should have more than one race in a country with a rich history of motorsport instead of taking it to places where the interest is very low.

Even had they wanted to host in India, Uttar Pradesh was a bad choice because not only is it a backward poverty stricken state but also the racing culture is non existent. A place like Coimbatore or Chennai would have been more suitable. Both these cities have a good racing tradition and have produced F1 drivers.

 

[Varun]

He's right on several counts.

In particular, that 'Budh International Circuit' racetrack outside Noida is now a colossal waste of money. We had what, 3 races there? It has been an utter white elephant since.

F1 at the end of the day is a very European sport, with some Brazil thrown in.

 

[Asim_khan]

He's absolutely right.

Who can forget the disgusting rabies infected stray dog walking around the race track on race day as though it was a Delhi slum. How are you gonna attract supermodels and the Hollywood elite with that sort of stuff going on. How can a country of one billion people not find one person competent enough to ensure no rabid dog gets onto the Tarmac?

Keep F1 away from countries like this, no self respecting pistonhead would want such superior machinery in the country which accursed the world with the Tata. Force India can't pay their bills, Karun Chandhok laps slower than the safety car, and Monisha bankrupted Sauber. A disgrace.

 

[shaz619]

Well there is a great deal of poverty over there and to be honest from all the folk from that country I have encountered in the UK, they are always looking to escape the country; many of these blokes hold some very esteem qualifications and have experience to but want to work/live in the UK compared to their home land due to better pay and living conditions. One of the fellas visas is soon to expire and his Indian company only send him to do work here for various periods as a contractor so I've been trying to help him find another job which may help extend the visa potentially if he manages to find someone who will sponsor him as well.

There are many who pump their chests with great pride about their nation, many of these blokes are probably really well off though which is why it makes it so easy for them to turn a blind eye to all the people who are struggling or are not happy in their country. I troll some of you guys but in the end am still trying to help your countryman so I can't be that bad a person

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well there is a great deal of poverty over there and to be honest from all the folk from that country I have encountered in the UK, they are always looking to escape the country; many of these blokes hold some very esteem qualifications and have experience to but want to work/live in the UK compared to their home land due to better pay and living conditions. One of the fellas visas is soon to expire and his Indian company only send him to do work here for various periods as a contractor so I've been trying to help him find another job which may help extend the visa potentially if he manages to find someone who will sponsor him as well.

There are many who pump their chests with great pride about their nation, many of these blokes are probably really well off though which is why it makes it so easy for them to turn a blind eye to all the people who are struggling or are not happy in their country. I troll some of you guys but in the end am still trying to help your countryman so I can't be that bad a person

Haha you're a good man.

I really dont understand why some Indians are upset with Lewis. You have to get with reality sometimes and realise you live in a 3rd world nation and F1 is a sport of the well off. It must be too much propaganda against Pakistan suffering and India sending rockets to space which has given them a false sense of reality.

I've also met a lot of Indians who have come over to the UK to work and everyone has been polite, respectful and humble. I will also help them if I can.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

He's right on several counts.

In particular, that 'Budh International Circuit' racetrack outside Noida is now a colossal waste of money. We had what, 3 races there? It has been an utter white elephant since.

F1 at the end of the day is a very European sport, with some Brazil thrown in.

Its not even European, very much a minority sport

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its not even European, very much a minority sport

Its part of motor racing which although not as popular now, it's tradionally been a big sport in the UK. I remember as small child, they used to turn Birmingham city centre into a racing circuit every year. The British Rally is also popular but since it all of these were taken off teresstrial tv, sure it has declined in popularity.

 

[shaz619]

Haha you're a good man.

I really dont understand why some Indians are upset with Lewis. You have to get with reality sometimes and realise you live in a 3rd world nation and F1 is a sport of the well off. It must be too much propaganda against Pakistan suffering and India sending rockets to space which has given them a false sense of reality.

I've also met a lot of Indians who have come over to the UK to work and everyone has been polite, respectful and humble. I will also help them if I can.

Most of the guys who boast all the time are in much better circumstances and can afford to show so much non stop pride about being nationalists but these people are in the minority when there is so much suffering and I don't find that funny, people troll about these things and human life on the forum it is disgusting. Defo, we will always help those who need it regardless of their views, these are the values I grew up on in the UK, not everyone shares these around the world unfortunately

 

[Sachin136]

Don't know why Indians lose their temper everytime they are made aware of the typical image of their country in the Western World.

Why is it so surprising that India is considered backward, filthy and Poor?

I think the successive government's in India are responsible here. Through their India Shining propaganda campaigns they have convinced their large illiterate and gullible population about it's fake Superpower Status.

This is a pretty strange comment. Are Pakistanis not offended by those from the "western world" viewing Pakistan as a terrorist state full of lunatics? Of course they are, as they rightly should be.

 

[Kroll]

He added: "I've been to Vietnam before and it is beautiful. I've been to India before to a race which was strange because India was such a poor place yet we had this massive, beautiful grand prix track made in the middle of nowhere. I felt very conflicted when I went to that grand prix.

https://auto.ndtv.com/news/f1-race-...-was-such-a-poor-place-lewis-hamilton-1947345

In this PC centric era, that statement could be seen as offensive and blunt as confirmed by the backlash. Perhaps a bit disrespectful to his hosts and the fact that these races are still providing his bread and butter (heck loads of it). I'd be happy to go and race wherever if I was earning the same amount of dosh Hamilton is getting.

What he'd probably better of saying was something like "India is a developing country yet we had this massive beautiful grand prix track...blah blah".

 

[troodon]

India is a poor place. Nothing wrong in what he said. Too many poor people and pathetic infrastructure and roads.

But he can simply go from Airport to the tracks and then back to the airport while staying in a 5 star hotel. He does not have to venture into the city and see the poverty.

 

[Pakistanian]

I'm not even Indian but that was poorly worded by Hamilton.

 

[Kaptan]

Even had they wanted to host in India, Uttar Pradesh was a bad choice because not only is it a backward poverty stricken state but also the racing culture is non existent. A place like Coimbatore or Chennai would have been more suitable. Both these cities have a good racing tradition and have produced F1 drivers.

Lol, do you really think it would have mattered ? If F1 was held in Chennai or Coimbatore, Hamilton would have not given this statement ? I don't know if you ever been to G.Noida but I can assure you that infrastructure wise its 10 times better than Chennai (can't say about coimbatore never been there) roads are better, poverty is less visible in G.Noida as compared to Chennai. So, if Hamilton found G.Noida to be poor there is no reason why he would have found Chennai any different.
No need to bring UP/Bihar angle into every topic. Its about India.

 

[humzy]

He's not wrong. Not everyone feels comfortable and parading wealth for extravagance around less fortunate.

I feel very very uncomfortable when I go to Pakistan and I am driven in a nice car while old old women are walking on the rode carrying heavy loads.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is Lewis Hamilton out of his mind? We have Statue of Unity and it looks awesome at night with laser shows.

Lewis Hamilton is lucky that he is not a cricketer otherwise he would not have dared to call India a 'poor place'. It's a pity we can't throw an IPL contract to shut his mouth.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He's right on several counts.

In particular, that 'Budh International Circuit' racetrack outside Noida is now a colossal waste of money. We had what, 3 races there? It has been an utter white elephant since.

F1 at the end of the day is a very European sport, with some Brazil thrown in.

Still better than those white elephant statues that Mayawati built when he she was the CM.

 

[gazza619]

I'm not even Indian but that was poorly worded by Hamilton.

I think it must be the Trump effect.

Since Trump came to power the world feels that indecent is the new decent..

 

[Napa]

Its not even European, very much a minority sport

It gets boring pretty fast. The guy with the best car usually wins. Visually there isn't much going on either.

They need to change their rules. Maybe rotate the drivers among the constructors.

 

[JaDed]

How is he obnoxious? Lewis is one of the all time great racing drivers. He is righ to say the main nations into motorsport are Germany, Italy and the UK. We should have more F1 races in these countries instead of going to a new track in India which is surrounded by poverty and rubbish cars on the road.

In that logic cricket shouldn't be expanded either, plus no one was doing any charity we built we host, US has many homeless as well you would be shocked at the number ,Hamilton wouldn't make such a remark but Sahib obviously wants it in shiny countries and fair enough, lol at Rubbish cars on road Indian Automobile is pretty alright for our status at least we didn't let the Japs monopolize.
Must be easy to talk from your exploiting kingdom of a country but again Brit Desi what else to expect.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Lol, do you really think it would have mattered ? If F1 was held in Chennai or Coimbatore, Hamilton would have not given this statement ? I don't know if you ever been to G.Noida but I can assure you that infrastructure wise its 10 times better than Chennai (can't say about coimbatore never been there) roads are better, poverty is less visible in G.Noida as compared to Chennai. So, if Hamilton found G.Noida to be poor there is no reason why he would have found Chennai any different.
No need to bring UP/Bihar angle into every topic. Its about India.

No need to get so defensive. If Noida is 10 times better than Chennai infrastructure/poverty wise it will be like Tokyo or New York, no need of hyperbole. Buddh International Circuit is in the middle of nowhere and that area has zero racing culture unlike Chennai/Coimbatore, FACT.

 

[JaDed]

Well there is a great deal of poverty over there and to be honest from all the folk from that country I have encountered in the UK, they are always looking to escape the country; many of these blokes hold some very esteem qualifications and have experience to but want to work/live in the UK compared to their home land due to better pay and living conditions. One of the fellas visas is soon to expire and his Indian company only send him to do work here for various periods as a contractor so I've been trying to help him find another job which may help extend the visa potentially if he manages to find someone who will sponsor him as well.

There are many who pump their chests with great pride about their nation, many of these blokes are probably really well off though which is why it makes it so easy for them to turn a blind eye to all the people who are struggling or are not happy in their country. I troll some of you guys but in the end am still trying to help your countryman so I can't be that bad a person

What you say is true, but there is no point disrespecting an average Indian who doesn't hope to go abroad and is happy living in his country, the countless people that farm have lands and want to see India improve,yes I might not be them I wouldn't ridicule them or insult them for wanting a space program or f1 track but of course what can we do when Sahib in his superb shiny cars doesn't want to come here.

 

[Slog]

This is a pretty strange comment. Are Pakistanis not offended by those from the "western world" viewing Pakistan as a terrorist state full of lunatics? Of course they are, as they rightly should be.

nice try. The statement about Pakistan is a subjective stereotype at best whereas India being a poor country is factual by any measure

 

[CricketCartoons]

Shows his ignorance. It is like someone saying that my household is poor just because my servants are poor. India is a rich country where the rich have around 90% of the population working for them as servants.

 

[JaDed]

nice try. The statement about Pakistan is a subjective stereotype at best whereas India being a poor country is factual by any measure

What is the measure for terrorism? Global terror index?

 

[Salma_T]

New markets are great but where there will be uptake. I cannot see the reason for a race in Vietnam as isnt a huge economy with a thriving middle/upper middle class. India on the other hand is a good market but Indians do get offended when people point out the poverty etc. Saying that is all what the rest of the world sees.....my question is of India is great then why are he educated migrating overseas (in Australia alone Indians have over taken Brits and Chinese as the highest number of permanent settler 20%). This is a genuine question if the country is great and going places (unlike Pakistan which many have termed as failing) why are so many still moving overseas?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

New markets are great but where there will be uptake. I cannot see the reason for a race in Vietnam as isnt a huge economy with a thriving middle/upper middle class. India on the other hand is a good market but Indians do get offended when people point out the poverty etc. Saying that is all what the rest of the world sees.....my question is of India is great then why are he educated migrating overseas (in Australia alone Indians have over taken Brits and Chinese as the highest number of permanent settler 20%). This is a genuine question if the country is great and going places (unlike Pakistan which many have termed as failing) why are so many still moving overseas?

Because no matter how good the numbers might look in the books as far as India's economy goes, vast swathes of the country are still massively underdeveloped. Horrible roads, ramshackle buildings and poor infrastructure. You can't even drive a car without having to navigate between donkeys and scooters all twisting in different directions amidst the constant blaring of horns.

 

[Salma_T]

My colleague has arrived from India from Mumbai and when she talks about always says in the metros it is like this etc but gets very defensive if someone thinks all India is a cheap outsourcing place.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is a genuine question if the country is great and going places (unlike Pakistan which many have termed as failing) why are so many still moving overseas?

genuine answer. there is a talent surplus in india, so it is natural that some of that talent will go to benefit other countries. if there were not enough talent and people were still leaving only then it would mean they want to escape. it is a win win situation for everyone..other nations get the superior indian talent without any investment and india extends its power to these countries.

 

[Salma_T]

genuine answer. there is a talent surplus in india, so it is natural that some of that talent will go to benefit other countries. if there were not enough talent and people were still leaving only then it would mean they want to escape. it is a win win situation for everyone..other nations get the superior indian talent without any investment and india extends its power to these countries.

So you are saying there isn't enough work to go around due high number of individuals in certain professions.
Yes most countries do get very good talent without the investment.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So you are saying there isn't enough work to go around due high number of individuals in certain professions.
Yes most countries do get very good talent without the investment.

When pakistan exports its mangoes does it mean there are not enough people in pakistan to consume those mangoes?

 

[Salma_T]

When pakistan exports its mangoes does it mean there are not enough people in pakistan to consume those mangoes?

Cannot compare a cash crop (unless that is what India thinks of it people) to people moving abroad. It isn't meant as an offense but obviously when you have 1.2 billion and institutes that produce many qualified individuals. I also think that a large reason for ease of Indian migration not only the skill set but also the fact that English is a language is spoken widely (just a theory) as the migration to non English speaking won't be as high I suspect.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

my question is of India is great then why are he educated migrating overseas (in Australia alone Indians have over taken Brits and Chinese as the highest number of permanent settler 20%). This is a genuine question if the country is great and going places (unlike Pakistan which many have termed as failing) why are so many still moving overseas?

1 in every 5 of the world's population is Indian. World's population is 7.5+ billion and India's 1.34

Europe is 740 Million, 50 countries
South America is 420 Million, 12 Countries
North America is 580 Million, 23 countries
Africa is 1.2 Billion, 54 countries

In 2011 there were only 350,000 Indians in Australia. (Which doubled in just 5 years from 2006 to 2011), 2017 estimates are 7,00,000 Indians. These numbers are minuscule for a mammoth country like India.

 

[Salma_T]

1 in every 5 of the world's population is Indian. World's population is 7.5+ billion and India's 1.34

Europe is 740 Million, 50 countries
South America is 420 Million, 12 Countries
North America is 580 Million, 23 countries
Africa is 1.2 Billion, 54 countries

In 2011 there were only 350,000 Indians in Australia. (Which doubled in just 5 years from 2006 to 2011), 2017 estimates are 7,00,000 Indians. These numbers are minuscule for a mammoth country like India.

Totally get how many Indians there are!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

genuine answer. there is a talent surplus in india, so it is natural that some of that talent will go to benefit other countries. if there were not enough talent and people were still leaving only then it would mean they want to escape. it is a win win situation for everyone..other nations get the superior indian talent without any investment and india extends its power to these countries.

It's a shame there isn't more talent in India for road planning or implementing hygiene measures. But perhaps that is a deliberate policy to ignore these issues as if Indian lifestyle was too enjoyable, no one would ever want to leave and it would become even more overcrowded.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's a shame there isn't more talent in India for road planning or implementing hygiene measures. But perhaps that is a deliberate policy to ignore these issues as if Indian lifestyle was too enjoyable, no one would ever want to leave and it would become even more overcrowded.

Agreed. the political class is not talented otherwise we would be exporting politicians to the world. Lifestyle is relative, a british pakistani cab driver may find his lifestyle enjoyable in uk because he gets better roads and health care.. while a pakistani living in a mansion in islamabad may find his lifestyle more enjoyable by having an army of maids, cooks and driver and gardeners at his beck and call.

 

[Bewal Express]

Is Lewis Hamilton out of his mind? We have Statue of Unity and it looks awesome at night with laser shows.

Lewis Hamilton is lucky that he is not a cricketer otherwise he would not have dared to call India a 'poor place'. It's a pity we can't throw an IPL contract to shut his mouth.

Maybe spend a billion or 2 to create an IPL type F1 and then not invite the best driver

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agreed. the political class is not talented otherwise we would be exporting politicians to the world. Lifestyle is relative, a british pakistani cab driver may find his lifestyle enjoyable in uk because he gets better roads and health care.. while a pakistani living in a mansion in islamabad may find his lifestyle more enjoyable by having an army of maids, cooks and driver and gardeners at his beck and call.

It's an interesting perspective. I have often thought that while Islamabad is beautiful, and you could live like a king there, it's one city and doesn't represent the rest of the country at all. A better yardstick would be the Indian tycoon (Ambani?) who built the space age monstrosity home in the middle of Indian slums in Mumbai (I think). From a distance it looks like a terrible choice of location, but he is no fool, so it does make you wonder what is the attraction for him and his family.

 

[Sachin136]

New markets are great but where there will be uptake. I cannot see the reason for a race in Vietnam as isnt a huge economy with a thriving middle/upper middle class. India on the other hand is a good market but Indians do get offended when people point out the poverty etc. Saying that is all what the rest of the world sees.....my question is of India is great then why are he educated migrating overseas (in Australia alone Indians have over taken Brits and Chinese as the highest number of permanent settler 20%). This is a genuine question if the country is great and going places (unlike Pakistan which many have termed as failing) why are so many still moving overseas?

Many Canadians in the software or finance industry also move to the US because the pay can be 2+ times more. What I'm currently getting paid in NY would never be possible in India. If there wasn't such a disparity, I would certainly prefer living in Bombay or my home city over SF or NYC.

Also the reason you see so many Indians in countries outside India is that there are over a billion Indians to begin with. So even if a small percent of them emigrate, that's still a lot.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's an interesting perspective. I have often thought that while Islamabad is beautiful, and you could live like a king there, it's one city and doesn't represent the rest of the country at all. A better yardstick would be the Indian tycoon (Ambani?) who built the space age monstrosity home in the middle of Indian slums in Mumbai (I think). From a distance it looks like a terrible choice of location, but he is no fool, so it does make you wonder what is the attraction for him and his family.

Nothing to wonder. A desi in uk may be having 6 kids and living in a 2 bedroom apartment and still be happy when he sees he is living in the first world, while an ambani may be happy to have everyone in his pockets, despite being in a third world. subjective. to each their own.

 

[Abdullah719]

Lewis Hamilton explains 'poor place' India comments

Five-time world champion Lewis Hamilton has clarified comments he made about India being a "poor place".

Mercedes defended their driver, saying his intended juxtaposition between rich and poor had been taken "grossly out of context".

Briton Hamilton, 33, told BBC Sport this week that it was "strange" to race in India and he "felt very conflicted".

"I noticed some people are upset with my comment on India," he tweeted on Thursday.

"My reference was that a grand prix there felt strange to drive past homeless people, then arrive in a huge arena where money was not an issue.

"They spent hundreds of millions on a track that was now never used and that money could have been spent on schools or homes.

"When we did have the race nobody came because it was too expensive or there was no interest."

The Indian GP lasted three seasons, between 2011 and 2013.

F1 bosses have agreed a "multi-year" deal to stage a race on the streets of Vietnam's capital Hanoi from April 2020.

Since 2004, races in Bahrain, China, Turkey, Singapore, Abu Dhabi, South Korea, Russia and Azerbaijan have been added to the calendar.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46219959

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Many Canadians in the software or finance industry also move to the US because the pay can be 2+ times more. What I'm currently getting paid in NY would never be possible in India. If there wasn't such a disparity, I would certainly prefer living in Bombay or my home city over SF or NYC.

Also the reason you see so many Indians in countries outside India is that there are over a billion Indians to begin with. So even if a small percent of them emigrate, that's still a lot.

Every ex-pat I have ever met has said the same thing, they come to make more money intending to move back when their pockets are full...but they never go back home, which makes you wonder if it was that great in their own country to start with.

 

[Syed1]

Sach humesha karwa hota hai.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lewis Hamilton explains 'poor place' India comments

Five-time world champion Lewis Hamilton has clarified comments he made about India being a "poor place".

Mercedes defended their driver, saying his intended juxtaposition between rich and poor had been taken "grossly out of context".

Briton Hamilton, 33, told BBC Sport this week that it was "strange" to race in India and he "felt very conflicted".

"I noticed some people are upset with my comment on India," he tweeted on Thursday.

"My reference was that a grand prix there felt strange to drive past homeless people, then arrive in a huge arena where money was not an issue.

"They spent hundreds of millions on a track that was now never used and that money could have been spent on schools or homes.

"When we did have the race nobody came because it was too expensive or there was no interest."

The Indian GP lasted three seasons, between 2011 and 2013.

F1 bosses have agreed a "multi-year" deal to stage a race on the streets of Vietnam's capital Hanoi from April 2020.

Since 2004, races in Bahrain, China, Turkey, Singapore, Abu Dhabi, South Korea, Russia and Azerbaijan have been added to the calendar.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46219959

Very well explained by Lewis. This is similar to Pakistan playing their home cricket matches in Dubai in front of empty stadiums. The arabs have no interest in the game, and the desi ex-pats don't have the time to watch it. The stadium built there would be a white elephant were it not for Pakistan using it as a temporary home.

 

[Sachin136]

Every ex-pat I have ever met has said the same thing, they come to make more money intending to move back when their pockets are full...but they never go back home, which makes you wonder if it was that great in their own country to start with.

That's because after you have worked for 20 years and filled your pockets, are 50 years old, and have kids in college, it is not easy to move back. No matter how much you want to.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's because after you have worked for 20 years and filled your pockets, are 50 years old, and have kids in college, it is not easy to move back. No matter how much you want to.

Westerners who work in the Arab countries for tax free benefits seem to manage it.

 

[Salma_T]

Everyone always quibbles on the term expat/migrant/immigrant but on a whole most westerners go overseas work for an alloted time and move back most form developing countries don't move back theu stay in their new country and put roots down.
Yes you do get migration from 1 first world country to another such as UK to Australia but those are lifestyle in most cases and not economic choices.

 

[shaz619]

What you say is true, but there is no point disrespecting an average Indian who doesn't hope to go abroad and is happy living in his country, the countless people that farm have lands and want to see India improve,yes I might not be them I wouldn't ridicule them or insult them for wanting a space program or f1 track but of course what can we do when Sahib in his superb shiny cars doesn't want to come here.

It's a country of billions of people, I'd be careful when using the word 'average' Indian apart from the times we go below the belt then that pun is intended. However, I don't see where the disrespect is coming from? there is noting wrong with people not hoping to go abroad and are very content with their lives but when others paint a beautiful picture when the reality is different for many others then that's just disgusting isn't it, but I do understand that those who have it all good probably can't grasp the suffering of others to begin with and seem to get very defensive if this is bought up with regards to others purely due to a false sense of nationalism and their own security.

 

[shaz619]

When you have people with in-demand skills get paid around £2-3K per month in the UK but in contrast make £300 in their homeland for the same job then we have a big big problem. Beyond that there really is so much inequality and poverty, it's funny how the fat arab like indians overlook this while they get fed by mommy with a silver spoon in the name of nationalism lmao bloody tools.

 

[Sachin136]

When you have people with in-demand skills get paid around £2-3K per month in the UK but in contrast make £300 in their homeland for the same job then we have a big big problem. Beyond that there really is so much inequality and poverty, it's funny how the fat arab like indians overlook this while they get fed by mommy with a silver spoon in the name of nationalism lmao bloody tools.

How is that a big problem? Ever heard of something called cost of living?

 

[Sachin136]

Very well explained by Lewis. This is similar to Pakistan playing their home cricket matches in Dubai in front of empty stadiums. The arabs have no interest in the game, and the desi ex-pats don't have the time to watch it. The stadium built there would be a white elephant were it not for Pakistan using it as a temporary home.

The explanation makes no sense. The government didn't make the track, a private entity (Jaypee) did. They can do whatever they want with their money.

There are kids dying from hunger everyday. So does everyone stop buying sports cars and instead donate the 200k to charities? What about those with $20 million mansions in Beverley Hills? What about those who buy $5 coffee instead of buying $3 coffee and donating $2?

 

[shaz619]

How is that a big problem? Ever heard of something called cost of living?

Yeah I have, every heard of poverty though ? don't expect the tools living in castles to relate to those who can barely eat

 

[humzy]

genuine answer. there is a talent surplus in india, so it is natural that some of that talent will go to benefit other countries. if there were not enough talent and people were still leaving only then it would mean they want to escape. it is a win win situation for everyone..other nations get the superior indian talent without any investment and india extends its power to these countries.

You are delusional. I know plenty of expat Indians in Australia so trust me when I say that is not the reason. All you have to do is look at the salary in the west vs India and you will have your answer.

 

[James]

I think the remarks by Hamilton are slightly ignorant actually.

 

[Salma_T]

You are delusional. I know plenty of expat Indians in Australia so trust me when I say that is not the reason. All you have to do is look at the salary in the west vs India and you will have your answer.

My colleague has just moved to Syd from Mumbai both in high paying jobs with multinationals yet they chose in the their late 30s to leave India. I asked her why I wouldn't leave if I household help, driver etc and she she said why not try it atleast and not have regrets later. She has found it hard as she has to everything herself, travel on public transport etc and she also mentioned something something very telling that people becometo wraped up in a bubble there and lose touch with reality.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are delusional. I know plenty of expat Indians in Australia so trust me when I say that is not the reason. All you have to do is look at the salary in the west vs India and you will have your answer.

Tell me how many servants are employed by these people you know of. What is the use of high salary if you have to mow the grass yourself and cook your own food.

 

[humzy]

Tell me how many servants are employed by these people you know of. What is the use of high salary if you have to mow the grass yourself and cook your own food.

I would hate to have a servant. If you want your lawn cut do it yourself or hire a lawn mowing service, if you are paid well you will have the money for it.

In terms of food some people enjoy cooking and those who don't use an app called uber eats. check it out

 

[CricketCartoons]

My colleague has just moved to Syd from Mumbai both in high paying jobs with multinationals yet they chose in the their late 30s to leave India. I asked her why I wouldn't leave if I household help, driver etc and she she said why not try it atleast and not have regrets later. She has found it hard as she has to everything herself, travel on public transport etc and she also mentioned something something very telling that people becometo wraped up in a bubble there and lose touch with reality.

When these desis feel low about their life, they convert their salary to indian currency in the mind to console themselves, or maybe come to forums to gloat about living in a first world country. Better roads and better instagram pics don't substitute the royal life back in their home countries.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I would hate to have a servant. If you want your lawn cut do it yourself or hire a lawn mowing service, if you are paid well you will have the money for it.

In terms of food some people enjoy cooking and those who don't use an app called uber eats. check it out

I didn't ask if you can afford a servant and I don't want to be condescending towards you because of that.

Tell me how many of those expats you know employ servants.

 

[humzy]

I didn't ask if you can afford a servant and I don't want to be condescending towards you because of that.

Tell me how many of those expats you know employ servants.

My point is who cares if you have a servant. You can't solely base this conversation on whether a person has a servant or not, perhaps people would rather spend their higher salary on something other then that,

 

[CricketCartoons]

My point is who cares if you have a servant. You can't solely base this conversation on whether a person has a servant or not, perhaps people would rather spend their higher salary on something other then that,

Agreed. to each their own. But higher salary compared to what? If compare salary between countries you have to compare if the salary gets you the same luxuries.

 

[humzy]

Agreed. to each their own. But higher salary compared to what? If compare salary between countries you have to compare if the salary gets you the same luxuries.

A lot of them come with the initial plan of working here for a few years and sending the money back overseas. Then eventually moving back. I know it's what my dad initially intended.

But when you get here you often realise how much better the standard of living is and you end up staying here

Even without the servants.

 

[CricketCartoons]

A lot of them come with the initial plan of working here for a few years and sending the money back overseas. Then eventually moving back. I know it's what my dad initially intended.

But when you get here you often realise how much better the standard of living is and you end up staying here

Even without the servants.

You may believe that your standard of living is better than emperor akbar because you have netflix, uber eats and instagram followers while he only had local entertainment, personal cooks and an army. anything that helps you sleep better.

 

[Salma_T]

When these desis feel low about their life, they convert their salary to indian currency in the mind to console themselves, or maybe come to forums to gloat about living in a first world country. Better roads and better instagram pics don't substitute the royal life back in their home countries.

Do why come then? If it had that lifestyle i would never leave? There is obviously something missing!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do why come then? If it had that lifestyle i would never leave? There is obviously something missing!

Clean air, clean streets, less corruption, orderly traffic without blaring horns and animals, small things like that I expect.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do why come then? If it had that lifestyle i would never leave? There is obviously something missing!

maybe to send back money while living a frugal life in the new country, maybe because a relative has gone abroad and cannot stop bragging about it, maybe wanderlust, maybe to satisfy intellectual curiosity in academics. can be anything.

 

[Salma_T]

But we are only talking about the educated ones you get scores of illegals too across the world.
Take Japan as a nation very few permanently move overseas yes some work for a while but they always go back apart from those who marry a non Japanese.i think you shouldn't sugar coat the reason for Indians moving overseas.

 

[CricketCartoons]

But we are only talking about the educated ones you get scores of illegals too across the world.
Take Japan as a nation very few permanently move overseas yes some work for a while but they always go back apart from those who marry a non Japanese.i think you shouldn't sugar coat the reason for Indians moving overseas.

maybe japanese are more attached to their roots and indians feel at home anywhere. you don't need to give sinister meaning to everything just because you are jealous of indians and hate them.

 

[Salma_T]

Don't hate Indians at all just trying to understand the mindset. You have obviously taken offence

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't hate Indians at all just trying to understand the mindset. You have obviously taken offence

You are not trying to understand their mindset as you have pre conceived notions. I may be wrong in insinuating that you hate indians, as they are never loved or welcomed anywhere they go despite being upright and model citizens.

 

[Salma_T]

Indians are liked everywhere "model minority" and all.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians are liked everywhere "model minority" and all.

They are generally good citizens but it is pushing it to say they are liked everywhere. Tolerated as long as they stay in the background would be more accurate.

 

[Salma_T]

They are generally good citizens but it is pushing it to say they are liked everywhere. Tolerated as long as they stay in the background would be more accurate.

Hmm they seem mould them into their surroundings

 

[TM Riddle]

Indians are liked everywhere "model minority" and all.

Indians in general are opportunistic and sucking up types hence the easy integration.