Life after Misbah... No Misbah: Same Result ...

[Dr_Bassim]

I know it's pretty early but I can see trends already.

One wonders who to blame.

There was no Misbah and no one advised the team to play slow.

Yet on the flattest pitch where Bangladesh hit 330, most Pakistani batsmen could not play at 100 SR.

Mushfiq played at 150 SR.

So what happened here?

I thought Misbah advised the team to play slow.

I think it's time that people did a reality check, and realize the team is struggling because most batsmen are not good enough to play at 100 SR even on flattest of pitches.

Not because of leader and captain and other random 100 things blamed on Misbah the captain.

 

[Bullet Drive]

lol.

Relax, its one game.

 

[ahanank]

He was a legend.
There was a reason he never trusted the batsmen on the other end. A good reason.

 

[zains_rulez]

Misbah was the lonely warrior in team pakistan...

We will realize after some time !!

 

[JibranAnsari]

Didnt miss him today.

I will give this team some time.

Need some firepower in the late order.

Cant afford

Azhar
Hafeez
Haris

And fawad /asad in the same batting lineup.

None of these batsman have the ability to accelerate.

 

[Slog]

I never bought that ridiculous argument and really anyone with half a brain should realize that you cant instruct batsmen to play slow

 

[GreenKnightRises]

His successor is the kaptaan. No surprise. Sam old awfull captaincy and defensive mentality.

Pakistan won't win with Azhar as Captain(Unless he changes his attitude).

 

[zains_rulez]

His successor is the kaptaan. No surprise. Sam old awfull captaincy and defensive mentality.

Pakistan won't win with Azhar as Captain(Unless he changes his attitude).

You want him to dance in middle ??

 

[GreenKnightRises]

If Misbah was there Pakistan would'nt have crossed 220. Misbah would have remained Not OUt with 60 SR and his fans might cry "The Lonely Warrior"

 

[Hamza_]

Change needs time. Also we were carrying passengers like Saad and Ajmal

 

[Dr_Bassim]

His successor is the kaptaan. No surprise. Sam old awfull captaincy and defensive mentality.

Pakistan won't win with Azhar as Captain(Unless he changes his attitude).

So it will be Azhar the scapegoat now.

Makes sense.

Blame the person who scores 70 80 odd runs, while others can do jack and get a free ride on the probability that if someone else was captain they would turn out world class.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

You want him to dance in middle ??

If dancing helps him make better on field decision and brings postive mentality rather than bowling part timers on a trot when new bastmen are at the crease,then yes..lol

 

[Markhor]

Agreed, Misbah or no Misbah, this batting lineup is simply not good enough. It doesn't seem to matter who we bring in, we are possibly the worst ODI team for chasing. We cannot chase 270-280 let alone 330.

Don't worry, even though we lost at least they 'behaved' well !

 

[Stallion__]

That was always going to happen, it was a matter of time that Misbah bashers will start realizing how important he was for the team, as a batsman and as a player. Or maybe they will find some other scapegoat!!!

 

[GreenKnightRises]

So it will be Azhar the scapegoat now.

Makes sense.

Blame the person who scores 70 80 odd runs, while others can do jack and get a free ride on the probability that if someone else was captain they would turn out world class.

Who is to be blamed for captain's poor on field decisions. All Other batsman other than him?? Any one who makes ugly decision in the field and leaked so much is to be blamed whether he is a 'would be world class captain" or not

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Who is to be blamed for captain's poor on field decisions. All Other batsman other than him?? Any one who makes ugly decision in the field and leaked so much is to be blamed whether he is a 'would be world class captain" or not

Read OP again.

This was about those who blamed Misbah for asking others to bat slow.

Not on-field bowling decisions.

You need some lenses.

 

[MRSN]

The funny thing is when Pakistan chased down 320+ last time against Bangladesh he got out early..)) Whenever Pakistan haed a successful chase Misbah was back in the pavillion pretty early. It's a myth Misbah protected our batting. He was nothing but consolidator, someone who delays the loss. He never contributed to Pakistan in ODIs ever since he was brought back.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The funny thing is when Pakistan chased down 320+ last time against Bangladesh he got out early..)) Whenever Pakistan haed a successful chase Misbah was back in the pavillion pretty early. It's a myth Misbah protected our batting. He was nothing but consolidator, someone who delays the loss. He never contributed to Pakistan in ODIs ever since he was brought back.

We batted at same rate with Misbah and without Misbah.

Minimum of 3.

Maximum of 5.5

Usually it took Umar or Afridi late order blitzes to win us games. More of Afridi's.

Which is why I can't understand why people suggested captain asks rest of batsmen to play slow.

 

[MRSN]

Read OP again.

This was about those who blamed Misbah for asking others to bat slow.

Not on-field bowling decisions.

You need some lenses.

apparently this team selection+captaincy selection had a big Misbah say. This team was recommended by him. I think we all know why.

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Who needs Misbah the great captain when you have AZHAR ALI the legendary captain

 

[Dr_Bassim]

apparently this team selection+captaincy selection had a big Misbah say. This team was recommended by him. I think we all know why.

Great.

So now Misbah will also be responsible for this team's nightmares.

Some people.....

 

[MRSN]

We batted at same rate with Misbah and without Misbah.

Minimum of 3.

Maximum of 5.5

Usually it took Umar or Afridi late order blitzes to win us games. More of Afridi's.

Which is why I can't understand why people suggested captain asks rest of batsmen to play slow.

The captain did. Didn't you read the world cup report handed over to PCB by Misbah? It had a mention that Umar-Shehzad were asked to stay on the pitch for longer like play out at least 10 overs then go for big shots and they couldn't apply it. That was the attitude problem. Don't you think Misbah was dictating them to play slow according to his own report?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The captain did. Didn't you read the world cup report handed over to PCB by Misbah? It had a mention that Umar-Shehzad were asked to stay on the pitch for longer like play out at least 10 overs then go for big shots and they couldn't apply it. That was the attitude problem. Don't you think Misbah was dictating them to play slow according to his own report?

So now Azhar Ali is asking them to play slow.

What if Umar Akmal becomes captain and team plays slow?

Then Umar Akmal is asking them to play slow?

Dude, this is just going nowhere.

Keep dreaming that they are playing slow chasing 330 because they have been told to stay on the pitch and block every ball.

 

[MRSN]

Great.

So now Misbah will also be responsible for this team's nightmares.

Some people.....

what exactly did Misbah give us in his long 4 years tenure other than a inexperienced team that lost to Bangladesh?He never build team because like Waqar he had no planning nor vision. He was just there to complete his days. When he was asked to accomodate one or two youngsters so they can take place of him and Yk in future he refused because he was full of arrogance that seniors are performing why drop them. The biggest reason why I've a dislike for him is because he was inconsistent and not visionary enough in his long tenure of captaincy.

 

[jashan83]

Blame one person for the defeat. Earlier it was Misbah and now Azhar who batted so nicely today. People are looking for a messiah who would come in the field and woof solutions to all the problems. They are not ready to accept the rot that runs deep inside and that is not just in cricket. This attitude will not take it anywhere.

 

[MRSN]

So now Azhar Ali is asking them to play slow.

What if Umar Akmal becomes captain and team plays slow?

Then Umar Akmal is asking them to play slow?

Dude, this is just going nowhere.

Keep dreaming that they are playing slow chasing 330 because they have been told to stay on the pitch and block every ball.

just because Azhar can't doesn't mean Misbah didn't. As I've said what you make out of his post wc report?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

just because Azhar can't doesn't mean Misbah didn't. As I've said what you make out of his post wc report?

You need people to stay on the pitch to score 300 plus.

DOES NOT EQUATE TO PLAYING SLOW

Staying on pitch = Playing slow?

In what world....

 

[MRSN]

You need people to stay on the pitch to score 300 plus.

DOES NOT EQUATE TO PLAYING SLOW

Staying on pitch = Playing slow?

In what world....

because that's what he used to do himself. check his strike rate as a captain. It's somewhere <70.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Read OP again.

This was about those who blamed Misbah for asking others to bat slow.

Not on-field bowling decisions.

You need some lenses.

You might need one too. you were the one who started the 'would be world class captain' thing

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You might need one too. you were the one who started the 'would be world class captain' thing

Okay I give up then.

Everyone would be world class if he had change of random captains till we find one that GreenKnightRises likes.

 

[MenInG]

Poor Misbah 'fans' looking for something to blame as usual.

NEWSFLASH = Azhar Ali was chosen by Misbah and he played an excellent innings today.

Just needs to get his onfield decisions polished a bit.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Great.

So now Misbah will also be responsible for this team's nightmares.

Some people.....

Its not some people. Every one knows Waqar and Misbah were the ones who were demanding Azhar's captaincy. even more strong words than Shahryayr Khan, because he was a person who was not much interested in Azhar to becoming the captain. But just because Misbah wanted him to be the captain they made him. He is still responsible for some pathetic team selections

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Okay I give up then.

Everyone would be world class if he had change of random captains till we find one that GreenKnightRises likes.

Not upto the usual standard of Dr_Bassim's reply

 

[cric]

I know it's pretty early but I can see trends already.

One wonders who to blame.

There was no Misbah and no one advised the team to play slow.

Yet on the flattest pitch where Bangladesh hit 330, most Pakistani batsmen could not play at 100 SR.

Mushfiq played at 150 SR.

So what happened here?

I thought Misbah advised the team to play slow.

I think it's time that people did a reality check, and realize the team is struggling because most batsmen are not good enough to play at 100 SR even on flattest of pitches.

Not because of leader and captain and other random 100 things blamed on Misbah the captain.

It’s actually other way around. People who used to say his alone savior. I’ve been always saying with him or without him Pakistan average score will be 220 to 250. And in between odd collapse and odd over 300 runs. So it was really big myth that he was alone savior.

 

[The_KING]

Our batting sucks.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Yeah we would have won with Misbah smashing a 140* to take us to victory as he has done SO many times in his career.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yeah we would have won with Misbah smashing a 140* to take us to victory as he has done SO many times in his career.

Ask me apples, I give you oranges because I don't want to accept that apples had a flaw.

Oranges are much tastier aren't they?

 

[Fallen King]

Pakistan had horrible year in the last year, and never once Pakistan managed to chase the target above 250 runs under Misbah's captaincy. Pakistan never was the same team after Misbah became the captain and now Pakistan is back to Misbah again, mini-Misbah if you will. Appointing Azhar Ali is huge mistake.

Pakistan team crossed 300 runs several times under the captaincy of:

* Inzimam-ul-Haq
* Shoaib Malik
* Younus Khan
* Shahid Khan Afridi


So it cannot be just coincident why Pakistan stuck at old-school concept of cricket under Misbah's captaincy and his successor, mini-Misbah, Azhar Ali now.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

I see nothing but wrist slitting in this thread. Give the guy some time before you call out your messiah Misbah.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan had horrible year in the last year, and never once Pakistan managed to chase the target above 250 runs under Misbah's captaincy. Pakistan never was the same team after Misbah became the captain and now Pakistan is back to Misbah again, mini-Misbah if you will. Appointing Azhar Ali is huge mistake.

Pakistan team crossed 300 runs several times under the captaincy of:

* Inzimam-ul-Haq
* Shoaib Malik
* Younus Khan
* Shahid Khan Afridi


So it cannot be just coincident why Pakistan stuck at old-school concept of cricket under Misbah's captaincy and his successor, mini-Misbah, Azhar Ali now.

Or it could just be a bitter truth that team is not capable enough to score 300 consistently no matter who captains.

 

[BD-fan]

...He was nothing but consolidator, someone who delays the loss. He never contributed to Pakistan in ODIs ever since he was brought back.

I have no dog in this fight. But these are some harsh words. How soon you forgot the WC wins and his contribution? NEVER?

 

[Bullet Drive]

Ask me apples, I give you oranges because I don't want to accept that apples had a flaw.

Oranges are much tastier aren't they?

Don't know what the hell you just said and I cba to read it over again.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

I have no dog in this fight. But these are some harsh words. How soon you forgot the WC wins and his contribution? NEVER?

We won two against minnows and won one against South Africa. Lol That is nothing to brag home about.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Don't know what the hell you just said and I cba to read it over again.

Good.

I asked.

"There is no Misbah in this team, yet team is still playing at same pace and allowing RR to climb to 10 per over in last 15"

People blamed it on Misbah's approach.

I blamed it on team's incapability to bat fast rather than being asked to bat slow.

You came with a hyperbole, that Misbah would have won the match...

Ask me apples.. I give you oranges....

 

[Abdullah719]

You don't get it, Doc. Our batsmen are all ABdV-esque brilliant geniuses with a lot of talent and amazing TALENT and are very TALENTED. It is defensive captains like Misbah and Azhar that are holding them back, forcing them to play badly and slowly so that they become useless and don't live up to their amazing potential. Other teams are JEALOUS of our talent but we can't make the most of it due to a defensive mindset which leads them to bat badly.

Ok, first thoughts:

On a more serious note, I would be more disappointed with our bowling today than the batting. The difference between the teams were the spinners.

Shakib is an excellent LOI spinner, as good as Ajmal WAS (isn't any more based on an initial impression) while Arafat Sunny bowled decently despite chucking. We are always more reliant on our bowling and really should not be conceding 300+ because it is simply not possible for us to chase that, 97 times out of 100.

I thought the batting was decent today. Azhar did FAR better than expected, and while Haris seemed uncomfortable and faced a few too many dots, made a decent score. He is still very new on the ODI scene and should improve insha'Allah.

Rizwan was a revelation, but for anyone who's been following domestics, it wasn't entirely unexpected since he seems to be a good chaser. Could really have used some of Professor's minnow bashing here.

Batting order could've been better. But overall, considering that the top 7 barring Prof had played a combined 105 ODIs prior to this, it was OK.

Don't want to see Saad Nasim in the team again. He tried hard to emulate the usual contribution we get from our #7 (Lala) which was a 0, and that's appreciated but something slightly better would be nice.

 

[Abdullah719]

I have no dog in this fight. But these are some harsh words. How soon you forgot the WC wins and his contribution? NEVER?

They don't count because he didn't make a flashy 50 or 100. Also hair not shiny enough and slogs not big enough.

 

[Fallen King]

Or it could just be a bitter truth that team is not capable enough to score 300 consistently no matter who captains.

Team can and team had done it in the past. Eventually, it comes down to captaincy and captaincy's method.

Why do you think Inzimam didn't pick Misbah in his captaincy? Misbah was outdated batsman in modern cricket, and so were others picked by Misbah including his successor. One step forward and two step backward.

The only reason Misbah was elected as captain not because he was right choice, rather it was due to spot-fixing incident that put him on the map. Despite of five years as captain, his method as batsman and his method as captaincy lagged behind in term of modern-concept of game. We all knew it but unfortunately, as due to dire situation forced us to back Misbah as needed.

Now the situation of Pakistan cricket is stable, going back to mini-Misbah aka Azhar Ali is huge mistake where we are supposed to move forward to 21st century. Apparently, head coach is more interested in yes-man type of captain-material who happens to be poor in modern cricket despite of his performance today.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Good.

I asked.

"There is no Misbah in this team, yet team is still playing at same pace and allowing RR to climb to 10 per over in last 15"

People blamed it on Misbah's approach.

I blamed it on team's incapability to bat fast rather than being asked to bat slow.

You came with a hyperbole, that Misbah would have won the match...

Ask me apples.. I give you oranges....

If you can understand, we were chasing 300+ today. The RR is likely to go over 10 at some point.

Relax.

 

[cricfan14]

Who is to be blamed for captain's poor on field decisions. All Other batsman other than him?? Any one who makes ugly decision in the field and leaked so much is to be blamed whether he is a 'would be world class captain" or not

Name specifically some bad decisions that were JUST his fault? Because he has to bowl the guys he has ON THE SIDE. If Ajmal, Haris, and Saad were terrible, where was he supposed to find other bowlers? You have to get through 50 overs somehow.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan had horrible year in the last year, and never once Pakistan managed to chase the target above 250 runs under Misbah's captaincy. Pakistan never was the same team after Misbah became the captain and now Pakistan is back to Misbah again, mini-Misbah if you will. Appointing Azhar Ali is huge mistake.

Pakistan team crossed 300 runs several times under the captaincy of:

* Inzimam-ul-Haq
* Shoaib Malik
* Younus Khan
* Shahid Khan Afridi


So it cannot be just coincident why Pakistan stuck at old-school concept of cricket under Misbah's captaincy and his successor, mini-Misbah, Azhar Ali now.

Pakistan crossed 300 7/87 times under Misbah. Once every 12.4 innings.
Pakistan crossed 300 3/38 times under Afridi. Once every 12.7 innings.

OK.

 

[MenInG]

You don't get it, Doc. Our batsmen are all ABdV-esque brilliant geniuses with a lot of talent and amazing TALENT and are very TALENTED. It is defensive captains like Misbah and Azhar that are holding them back, forcing them to play badly and slowly so that they become useless and don't live up to their amazing potential. Other teams are JEALOUS of our talent but we can't make the most of it due to a defensive mindset which leads them to bat badly.

Ok, first thoughts:

On a more serious note, I would be more disappointed with our bowling today than the batting. The difference between the teams were the spinners.

Shakib is an excellent LOI spinner, as good as Ajmal WAS (isn't any more based on an initial impression) while Arafat Sunny bowled decently despite chucking. We are always more reliant on our bowling and really should not be conceding 300+ because it is simply not possible for us to chase that, 97 times out of 100.

I thought the batting was decent today. Azhar did FAR better than expected, and while Haris seemed uncomfortable and faced a few too many dots, made a decent score. He is still very new on the ODI scene and should improve insha'Allah.

Rizwan was a revelation, but for anyone who's been following domestics, it wasn't entirely unexpected since he seems to be a good chaser. Could really have used some of Professor's minnow bashing here.

Batting order could've been better. But overall, considering that the top 7 barring Prof had played a combined 105 ODIs prior to this, it was OK.

Don't want to see Saad Nasim in the team again. He tried hard to emulate the usual contribution we get from our #7 (Lala) which was a 0, and that's appreciated but something slightly better would be nice.

Brilliant post.

Remove/Replace Azhar's name with Misbah and read your post again

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan will always have a very slim chance for getting 330 runs. Nothing to do with Misbah or any one batsman here.

You lost the game due to garbage bowling. BD was 67/2 in 20 overs. Next 30 overs , Pakistan gave 262 runs That is as bad as it can get in bowling.

 

[MRSN]

Brilliant post.

Remove/Replace Azhar's name with Misbah and read your post again

check this out..

Misbah's great captaincy record. Of course he was our Messiah.

 

[cricfan14]

It is almost impossible to chase 330 runs, for gods sake. We lost because Ajmal was horrible and bowled 10 overs and Haris and Saad were equally bad but there was NO ONE else who could bowl.

You have to get through 50 overs. Pacers all hit their max. Needed someone else to step up and all the options were terrible.

Match was won before our openers even stepped on field. And Azhar still contibuted with 70+ with high strike rate.

 

[Fallen King]

Pakistan crossed 300 7/87 times under Misbah. Once every 12.4 innings.
Pakistan crossed 300 3/38 times under Afridi. Once every 12.7 innings.

OK.

Spare me your stats crap. Seriously!

Afridi captaincy only for two years and managed modern cricket well despite of his poor tactician captaincy. Misbah ruled Pakistan team for five years. It was always the same story. Besides, that is not the point. The real point has been overlooked as this was opportunity for Pakistan cricket to move forward to 21st century, and Pakistan blew it up.

Misbah was needed due to circumstance forced on Pakistan cricket, but now Pakistan cricket is stable, time to move on and take some risks rather than going with safe-bet which has no room for 21st century as the policy over modern-cricket is brutal for bowlers now. We cannot rely on bowlers all the times, and especially when those policies are considered graveyard for bowlers.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

I would like to ask this question. If Misbah was there, would this score have been chased down?

 

[cricfan14]

Spare me your stats crap. Seriously!

Afridi captaincy only for two years and managed modern cricket well despite of his poor tactician captaincy. Misbah ruled Pakistan team for five years. It was always the same story. Besides, that is not the point. The real point has been overlooked as this was opportunity for Pakistan cricket to move forward to 21st century, and Pakistan blew it up.

Misbah was needed due to circumstance forced on Pakistan cricket, but now Pakistan cricket is stable, time to move on and take some risks rather than going with safe-bet which has no room for 21st century as the policy over modern-cricket is brutal for bowlers now. We cannot rely on bowlers all the times, and especially when those policies are considered graveyard for bowlers.

Do you think chasing 330+ is really that achievable, even with another captain? Give me a break.

 

[MRSN]

I would like to ask this question. If Misbah was there, would this score have been chased down?

No. Misbah was back in pavillion early whenever we were chasing big totals.

 

[Fallen King]

Do you think chasing 330+ is really that achievable, even with another captain? Give me a break.

Yes, at least in Bangladesh. But we have wrong captain and wrong players. They belong in 80's, not in the era of modern.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

No. Misbah was back in pavillion early whenever we were chasing big totals.

Thought so. Therefore Misbah or no Misbah. It would have never changed todays results. We lost because of poor fielding and batting.

 

[cricfan14]

No. Misbah was back in pavillion early whenever we were chasing big totals.

You're completely deflecting because you have no answer and you're determined to be illogical.

This match was lost because 330 runs were scored by BD

Few times, under any captain, can chase 330

Who was Azhar supposed to bowl instead of those on the field? Ajmal, Haris, Saad all terrible. Hell, he even bowled himself to get through 50 overs.

If you can give us a list of things that were AZHAR'S FAULT that lost this match, then you will have a point.

Players need to perform to win games

 

[Abdullah719]

Spare me your stats crap. Seriously!

Afridi captaincy only for two years and managed modern cricket well despite of his poor tactician captaincy. Misbah ruled Pakistan team for five years. It was always the same story. Besides, that is not the point. The real point has been overlooked as this was opportunity for Pakistan cricket to move forward to 21st century, and Pakistan blew it up.

Misbah was needed due to circumstance forced on Pakistan cricket, but now Pakistan cricket is stable, time to move on and take some risks rather than going with safe-bet which has no room for 21st century as the policy over modern-cricket is brutal for bowlers now. We cannot rely on bowlers all the times, and especially when those policies are considered graveyard for bowlers.

You said that with others as captains we crossed 300 regularly. Now when I tell you of the frequency of that occurrence (in comparison to Afridi, who is the 'other' captain in the recent past), you don't want the 'stats'.

 

[MRSN]

You're completely deflecting because you have no answer and you're determined to be illogical.

This match was lost because 330 runs were scored by BD

Few times, under any captain, can chase 330

Who was Azhar supposed to bowl instead of those on the field? Ajmal, Haris, Saad all terrible. Hell, he even bowled himself to get through 50 overs.

If you can give us a list of things that were AZHAR'S FAULT that lost this match, then you will have a point.

Players need to perform to win games

look at the thread title, it's not me..it's OP who is bringing Misbah into this discussion.

As for your question is concerned, yes poor bowling,fielding and captaincy were more responsible for the loss but today's game has changed. These are flat tracks. You ought to expect 300 scored and chased on these pitches and I don't think BD had any exraordinary bowling line up that the total couldn't be chased.

It all went wrong when we selected one dimensional batting line up with no stroke players and finishers down the orders. You cannot expect this team to chase anything around 300 because they are so limited. It's not only Azhar and bowling to blame. The selectors and coach are equally responsible for today's loss because they put a complete mismatched ODI team. They must be expecting BD to roll over 250 odd so this batting line up chase them with the ease. Thats not how things go in ODIs these days. 300+ are becoming normal thing.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes, at least in Bangladesh. But we have wrong captain and wrong players. They belong in 80's, not in the era of modern.

For how long will we keep parroting the same rubbish. We have to make do with what we have. We do not have batsmen capable of striking at 90+ with 45+ avg. We don't have strikers that can go at 130+ regularly. This is the culture in the country. Batsmen are not taught the proper technique of modern batting at grassroots level and no matter who is captain, they will not suddenly transform into Williamson, Smith, Kohli. It doesn't help that the standard of domestic cricket is crap either.

 

[Fallen King]

You said that with others as captains we crossed 300 regularly. Now when I tell you of the frequency of that occurrence (in comparison to Afridi, who is the 'other' captain in the recent past), you don't want the 'stats'.

You don't need stats if you follow Pakistan cricket well. At least, i don't as i follow Pakistan cricket very closely.

Inzimam had been captain for four years. We all know that Inzimam changed the concept of the game, and because of him, Pakistan started to score 300 runs, and even chased 300 runs more than one time.

Shoaib Malik had been captaincy for three years, but one year as combined given the numbers of matches Pakistan team played back then. 2008 was the worst year in the history of Pakistan cricket. Still, he managed Pakistan cricket well.

Same goes with others in their shortest duration of captaincy. But Misbah was the only one who had five years in the history of Pakistan cricket, the only captain PCB had backed unconditionally. Even with his five years, Pakistan cricket only regressed to 80's instead of progressed to 21st century.

 

[MRSN]

Thought so. Therefore Misbah or no Misbah. It would have never changed todays results. We lost because of poor fielding and batting.

The OP is a big big Misbah fan..He was just trying to defend Misbah's slow batting by giving excuse that our batting is incapable of lasting long or chasing big totals so therefore providing Misbah excuse to bat the way he normally does.

 

[Fallen King]

For how long will we keep parroting the same rubbish. We have to make do with what we have. We do not have batsmen capable of striking at 90+ with 45+ avg. We don't have strikers that can go at 130+ regularly. This is the culture in the country. Batsmen are not taught the proper technique of modern batting at grassroots level and no matter who is captain, they will not suddenly transform into Williamson, Smith, Kohli. It doesn't help that the standard of domestic cricket is crap either.

We have and we won't play them. Right players are out of the team and wrong players are in the team. This debate has been done to death.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

The OP is a big big Misbah fan..He was just trying to defend Misbah's slow batting by giving excuse that our batting is incapable of lasting long or chasing big totals so therefore providing Misbah excuse to bat the way he normally does.

Yet when you look at big chases. His name is always missing in the runs column. Facts are facts. Lol

 

[Bhaijaan]

Misbah was always irrelevant because the people around him were mediocre, with him being slightly less mediocre himself. Whether he stays or not, the team wouldn't do much different ODI batting wise unless there is a radical change.

 

[Abdullah719]

We have and we won't play them. Right players are out of the team and wrong players are in the team. This debate has been done to death.

Who are the 'right' players? Umar Akmal? Ahmed Shehzad? Awais Zia?

 

[Pete Rose]

This batting line up needs Shoaib Malik.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Didnt miss him today.

I will give this team some time.

Need some firepower in the late order.

Cant afford

Azhar

Hafeez
Haris

And fawad /asad in the same batting lineup.

None of these batsman have the ability to accelerate.

U should watch cricket again.. hafeez and haris can up the anti at any time, with proper cricketing shots.. even thought hafeez is not a good player of swing bowling but he is a dynamic player who can play well.. today his innings was missing, he is an FTB...

 

[Major]

We batted at same rate with Misbah and without Misbah.

Minimum of 3.

Maximum of 5.5

Usually it took Umar or Afridi late order blitzes to win us games. More of Afridi's.

Which is why I can't understand why people suggested captain asks rest of batsmen to play slow.

it surprises that you actually try to reply to those people who will never change there thought about that guy.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yet when you look at big chases. His name is always missing in the runs column. Facts are facts. Lol

How many big chases are there exactly that aren't built around stunning, once in a blue moon brilliance? For example, Afridi against Bang, Razzaq against SA, perhaps Maqsood's against SL? We rarely chase as a cohesive unit. You make it sound like we chased 300 every day when Misbah failed.

 

[Major]

I would like to ask this question. If Misbah was there, would this score have been chased down?

bhai under Misbah's captaincy we din't lose to Bangladesh......... And that was the time when Bangaldesh was at its peak ( ) in asia cup

 

[CricketAnalyst]

So it will be Azhar the scapegoat now.

Makes sense.

Blame the person who scores 70 80 odd runs, while others can do jack and get a free ride on the probability that if someone else was captain they would turn out world class.

Azhar played an excellent innings today. Don't see how he can be blamed at all. He showed intent from the very beginning.

 

[habibi hayya]

Only on PP can users see "trends" after one match.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

How many big chases are there exactly that aren't built around stunning, once in a blue moon brilliance? For example, Afridi against Bang, Razzaq against SA, perhaps Maqsood's against SL? We rarely chase as a cohesive unit. You make it sound like we chased 300 every day when Misbah failed.

I have seen a score of 300 hundred chased down with proper cricketing shots. That required easy doubles or singles. Misbah never had a middle game. He either tuked or hit.

No we never chased down big scores everyday. But does that change the facts? I don't think so.

bhai under Misbah's captaincy we din't lose to Bangladesh......... And that was the time when Bangaldesh was at its peak ( ) in asia cup

Misbah must have been lucky to not get that same team on his first game as captain.

 

[yadunoe]

its one game and if misbah was playing would of made 260-270

 

[Abdullah719]

I have seen a score of 300 hundred chased down with proper cricketing shots. That required easy doubles or singles. Misbah never had a middle game. He either tuked or hit.

No we never chased down big scores everyday. But does that change the facts? I don't think so.

Really? When was this? Because in the last 6 years there was only 2 occasions on which we chased 280+. One was thanks to an ATG innings by Razzaq against SA and the other was the Asia Cup one against Bang bros.