List of glaring errors in the Pakistan cricket setup

[LordJames]

Please list glaring and obvious errors in Pakistan Cricket Setup from Management to actual playing.

1. Domestic 1 Day Tournament organized when the National Players are not available
2. Domestic 1 Day Tournament organized in the most atrocious weather conditions
3. Selected LOI Squad and then putting 5 players through fitness tests after announcing their names
   [*] Who is actually in charge? SK or Sethi?
4. Bad Scheduling for NZ and Australia Series
5. Not Grooming a Captain
6. Giving preferential treatment to Mohammad Amir (selection), not even letting him finish a full season
7. Taking a wicket-keeper as a middle-order Batsmen
8. Playing First Class Cricket with Substandard Balls and on Bad Pitches

etc etc etc

 

[DRsohail]

Please list glaring and obvious errors in Pakistan Cricket Setup from Management to actual playing.

1. Domestic 1 Day Tournament organized when the National Players are not available
2. Domestic 1 Day Tournament organized in the most atrocious weather conditions
3. Selected LOI Squad and then putting 5 players through fitness tests after announcing their names
   [*] Who is actually in charge? SK or Sethi?
4. Bad Scheduling for NZ and Australia Series
5. Not Grooming a Captain
6. Giving preferential treatment to Mohammad Amir (selection), not even letting him finish a full season
7. Taking a wicket-keeper as a middle-order Batsmen
8. Playing First Class Cricket with Substandard Balls and on Bad Pitches

etc etc etc

making sohail tanvir and anwar sli csptsin who are batting and bowling ahead of promising youngsters..

 

[muqarrab]

Ever since tauqiq zia, and rameez raja, changed setup in early 00's. cricket boards of late 80s and early 90s have started to seem like paragons of professionalism. Wills Cup in 90s and 80s was a big deal. Can most people name the premier one day tournament in the country?

 

[LordJames]

Ever since tauqiq zia, and rameez raja, changed setup in early 00's. cricket boards of late 80s and early 90s have started to seem like paragons of professionalism. Wills Cup in 90s and 80s was a big deal. Can most people name the premier one day tournament in the country?

1. 2013–14 President's One Day Cup: Spread to 4 major cities, final rained off
2. 2014–15 National One Day Cup: Just played in South
3. 2015–16 National One Day Cup Spread over parts of the country again final rained off
4. 2017 scheduled in Islamabad/Pindi in Winter: Half the Games rained off

Who makes these decisions???

 

[shaz619]

There is no real law and order unfortunately [MENTION=139512]LordJames[/MENTION] what is pivotal in decision making are folk in positions of authority with great influence and they tend to abuse their power

 

[muqarrab]

Clearly someone who is not paying attention makes these decisions.

 

[Saj]

The errors are coming from the top. People obsessed with the golden eggs that the PSL is laying and forgetting about the grass roots of Pakistan cricket.

 

[MRSN]

The biggest question is,from where do people like Sethi and SHK get two most important and powerful jobs in PCB? and who is doing their accountability? who hires them? Through which system these people have come to sit on such a big posts?

 

[Misia]

The biggest question is,from where do people like Sethi and SHK get two most important and powerful jobs in PCB? and who is doing their accountability? who hires them? Through which system these people have come to sit on such a big posts?

i wouldnt be surprised if majority of the post held within pcb are all nawaz sharif supporters

 

[LordJames]

Before scheduling a PSL final should have asked a reputable and independent Security Agency to Audi Security at Lahore.

Shared the Plans with them.

Taken their Recommendations on board.

Slapped FICA and everybody else back with the Independent Security Audit

 

[super hitter]

The biggest question is,from where do people like Sethi and SHK get two most important and powerful jobs in PCB? and who is doing their accountability? who hires them? Through which system these people have come to sit on such a big posts?

nawaz sharif my brother

 

[badsha001]

"gali gali mein shor hai, nawaz shareef chor hai". Its not really a rocket science to figure out who put these two in charge...

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

The biggest question is,from where do people like Sethi and SHK get two most important and powerful jobs in PCB? and who is doing their accountability? who hires them? Through which system these people have come to sit on such a big posts?

Both of them are political appointments and are 'selected' by the ruling party and the 'patron'....Errmmm... Mr.Nawaz[cough] Sharif[cough] hand picks them.

What I find surprising is that some blokes on this forum absolutely hated when Amir made a comeback to international cricket on grounds of morality and what not; even though he was LEGALLY ENTITLED to do so but at the same time have no problems with Sethi and SK running the show at the help of the PCB.

Two blokes who wouldn't have a clue on how cricket structures are developed, how they work in other administrative centers for member boards and what are the core pillars on which a good domestic structure stands.

Extremely saddening that incompetence rules Pakistan even till today.

 

[godzilla]

lots of excellent points in this excellent thread.

my two cents would be to concentrate on if as accused, loads of substandard balls were purchased for the domestic tournaments, who was responsible and why did they do it? should be relatively easy to drill down to find the culprits.

 

[msb314]

The errors are coming from the top. People obsessed with the golden eggs that the PSL is laying and forgetting about the grass roots of Pakistan cricket.

Even the PSL will not lay any golden eggs until the franchise owners have a say in the national T20 squad and u19 squads for T20 tournaments.

PSL should always be the pipeline for our national T20 squad and the decision makers in the PCB should support them rather than vice versa.

 

[Saj]

Even the PSL will not lay any golden eggs until the franchise owners have a say in the national T20 squad and u19 squads for T20 tournaments.

PSL should always be the pipeline for our national T20 squad and the decision makers in the PCB should support them rather than vice versa.

Wrong.

The PSL is laying a lot of golden eggs for the right people. You just have to know where to find them.

 

[Saj]

lots of excellent points in this excellent thread.

my two cents would be to concentrate on if as accused, loads of substandard balls were purchased for the domestic tournaments, who was responsible and why did they do it? should be relatively easy to drill down to find the culprits.

Because it was the cheap option. Again down to the people in power.

 

[godzilla]

Because it was the cheap option. Again down to the people in power.

yes, i understand that. but id like to see the name of who signed off on it, and i thinkthey ought to be questioned on whether they were aware of how much damage this does to the cricket in the country, how ill prepared our cricketers become when promoted and i think they should be made aware of their own incompetence.

 

[Pete Rose]

That's all fine and we'll, but where was the list of everything that's right with the pcb back when we were ranked number one in tests.
All these narratives are dependent on results.

 

[shah_1]

We have got Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Sarfaz Ahmed in last 5-6 so the system isn't that all bad

 

[LordJames]

Emphasis on PSL and 1 day Tournaments when its the 4 day Games which will give Pakistan Players in the International Arena across all formats

 

[Abdullah]

That's all fine and we'll, but where was the list of everything that's right with the pcb back when we were ranked number one in tests.
All these narratives are dependent on results.

there wasnt one becaus that achievement was done in spite of all of the above. which is what made the achievement special

 

[Pete Rose]

there wasnt one becaus that achievement was done in spite of all of the above. which is what made the achievement special

So, the hypothesis is that, all that is good is inspiration (not the process and the hard work) and all that is bad is predictably normal

 

[ask_analyse_act]

The errors are coming from the top. People obsessed with the golden eggs that the PSL is laying and forgetting about the grass roots of Pakistan cricket.

Well even PSL is the same.. teams are scoring substandard T20 scores... 130 is considered as a match- winning score in the first PSL.. the pitches were poor and spinners dominate like there is no batsman left to play them..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

making

sohail tanvir and anwar sli csptsin who are batting and bowling ahead of promising youngsters..

this definitely needs a serious look into it... anwar ali who should have retired his career by now, is captaining a team and playing ahead of promising youngsters.. Sarfraz still holds him as his friend and keeps him in Quetta Gladiators hopefully he limits his friendship there and not in Pak team..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

We have got

Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Sarfaz Ahmed

in last 5-6 so the system isn't that all bad

These three follow the Friendship tie up taken from the Misbah-Hafeez relay and it continues with this three and branches out

 

[Abdullah]

So, the hypothesis is that, all that is good is inspiration (not the process and the hard work) and all that is bad is predictably normal

the good was in part to how the fixtures fell and misbah stability factor where he got as he pleased with test selection.
the one thing the pcb did well was the prep for the england tour and they were widely commended for that.
but we have seen the prep in the subsequent overseas tours so that was probably a one off.
some will say time was tight but there was no need to give windies a 3x3 tour where 2testx3odisx1 t20 would have sufficed when we had bigger fish so soon after

 

[Markhor]

lots of excellent points in this excellent thread.

my two cents would be to concentrate on if as accused, loads of substandard balls were purchased for the domestic tournaments, who was responsible and why did they do it? should be relatively easy to drill down to find the culprits.

Intikhab Alam was the Director of Domestic Cricket when all this faffing around with the cricket balls began.

As Saj says, we've ended up with these substandard Grays balls because PCB are too cheap to use Dukes or Kookaburra.

However Basit Ali and several current players have also alleged the contracts for these balls were offered during Ijaz Butt’s time to companies that were close to the then-chairman.

 

[godzilla]

Intikhab Alam was the Director of Domestic Cricket when all this faffing around with the cricket balls began.

As Saj says, we've ended up with these substandard Grays balls because PCB are too cheap to use Dukes or Kookaburra.

However Basit Ali and several current players have also alleged the contracts for these balls were offered during Ijaz Butt’s time to companies that were close to the then-chairman.

none of that is a surprise. but i think would be good for pakistan cricket if the right questions were asked and the culprit found and ejected.

 

[Bewal Express]

If I had a £ for every discussion on the appalling administration in PK cricket, I would be rich. Nothing will change, live with it.

 

[RYASIR]

Bowling legend Wasim Akram on Friday revealed a funny incident of how fitness tests of players are carried out by Pakistan Cricket Board.


“I had a fitness test back in 2000,” said Wasim. “I had a problem in my groin and they were checking my shoulder. They asked me to throw the ball. I was thinking what is the relation of throwing a ball with my groin? I threw the ball out of the stadium. They told me I was alright; no one checked my groin.”

The incident came to light during the post-match analysis on PTV Sports of the first ODI which Pakistan lost to Australia by 92 runs.

The former left-arm pacer was accompanied by former Pakistan fast-bowler Shoaib Akhtar, former captain Rashid Latif and former batsman Mohammad Wasim.

Shoaib, on the point of highlighting the real problem with Pakistan cricket, said that Mohammad Irfan, the towering fast-bowler, who had to return to the country because of his mother’s death, was not completely fit for the Australia series.

“I saw Irfan in Lahore and told him he was not fit,” said Shoaib. “If I could discover that in half an hour then anyone can. He gave his fitness trial after being selected in the squad for Australia. And they were using the same redundant techniques for checking his fitness.”

Shoaib also said that the problem lies within the system of the PCB and not in players. The performance on the field is just a reflection of how bad things are in the board.

“We still have the same trainers; the mindset is the same. You cannot improve things like this. I can see things deteriorating from here onwards. I didn’t want to say this but I am totally hopeless,” he said.
“Inspiration will provide you with talent till a certain point. If you do not have a system after that, if you do not have fairness, there is no justice, then average people start taking over and talent starts to disappear,” he added.

Wasim then highlighted right-hand batsman Umar Akmal and all-rounder Imad Wasim’s withering fitness.

“I observed that Umar was not fit,” said Wasim. “He was setting his shirt again and again [to hide his belly fat]. I feel Imad has also put on weight. Both of them I believe were dropped from their Bangladesh Premier League team matches. Now who is supposed to check their fitness levels when they were not with the team?”

On a lighter note, Wasim also talked about former left-hand opener Saeed Anwar of how he managed to come out fit in all tests during his playing days.

“When we used to have fitness tests in our time, who would come out on top always? Saeed – because he would befriend all doctors. We would keep training and he would get away by showing the medical certificate,” he explained.

 

[Asim2Good]

Late start of our own T20 league have effected us big time.
Alot of players improved while playing T20
Their hitting ability improved, their confidence was boosted.

BBL team is chasing 220 in 20 overs while we are struggling to chase 260 in 50, thats how much it has effected our game.
Last year during ODI series with England, we set up target of around 245 in 50 over and I believe on same day WI set target of 245 in 20 overs and Ind almost chased it(or they did chased it?)

 

[Asim2Good]

Bowling legend Wasim Akram on Friday revealed a funny incident of how fitness tests of players are carried out by Pakistan Cricket Board.


“I had a fitness test back in 2000,” said Wasim. “I had a problem in my groin and they were checking my shoulder. They asked me to throw the ball. I was thinking what is the relation of throwing a ball with my groin? I threw the ball out of the stadium. They told me I was alright; no one checked my groin.”

The incident came to light during the post-match analysis on PTV Sports of the first ODI which Pakistan lost to Australia by 92 runs.

The former left-arm pacer was accompanied by former Pakistan fast-bowler Shoaib Akhtar, former captain Rashid Latif and former batsman Mohammad Wasim.

Shoaib, on the point of highlighting the real problem with Pakistan cricket, said that Mohammad Irfan, the towering fast-bowler, who had to return to the country because of his mother’s death, was not completely fit for the Australia series.

“I saw Irfan in Lahore and told him he was not fit,” said Shoaib. “If I could discover that in half an hour then anyone can. He gave his fitness trial after being selected in the squad for Australia. And they were using the same redundant techniques for checking his fitness.”

Shoaib also said that the problem lies within the system of the PCB and not in players. The performance on the field is just a reflection of how bad things are in the board.

“We still have the same trainers; the mindset is the same. You cannot improve things like this. I can see things deteriorating from here onwards. I didn’t want to say this but I am totally hopeless,” he said.
“Inspiration will provide you with talent till a certain point. If you do not have a system after that, if you do not have fairness, there is no justice, then average people start taking over and talent starts to disappear,” he added.

Wasim then highlighted right-hand batsman Umar Akmal and all-rounder Imad Wasim’s withering fitness.

“I observed that Umar was not fit,” said Wasim. “He was setting his shirt again and again [to hide his belly fat]. I feel Imad has also put on weight. Both of them I believe were dropped from their Bangladesh Premier League team matches. Now who is supposed to check their fitness levels when they were not with the team?”

On a lighter note, Wasim also talked about former left-hand opener Saeed Anwar of how he managed to come out fit in all tests during his playing days.

“When we used to have fitness tests in our time, who would come out on top always? Saeed – because he would befriend all doctors. We would keep training and he would get away by showing the medical certificate,” he explained.

What it show really
1: wasim hide his injury
2: regarding Saeed Anwar story, mean these are same players (who are criticizing system now) used to get away with most of things and didn't care other than being selected.
3: Shoaib should be last person in world to talk about fitness.

 

[MRSN]

Bowling legend Wasim Akram on Friday revealed a funny incident of how fitness tests of players are carried out by Pakistan Cricket Board.


“I had a fitness test back in 2000,” said Wasim. “I had a problem in my groin and they were checking my shoulder. They asked me to throw the ball. I was thinking what is the relation of throwing a ball with my groin? I threw the ball out of the stadium. They told me I was alright; no one checked my groin.”

The incident came to light during the post-match analysis on PTV Sports of the first ODI which Pakistan lost to Australia by 92 runs.

The former left-arm pacer was accompanied by former Pakistan fast-bowler Shoaib Akhtar, former captain Rashid Latif and former batsman Mohammad Wasim.

Shoaib, on the point of highlighting the real problem with Pakistan cricket, said that Mohammad Irfan, the towering fast-bowler, who had to return to the country because of his mother’s death, was not completely fit for the Australia series.

“I saw Irfan in Lahore and told him he was not fit,” said Shoaib. “If I could discover that in half an hour then anyone can. He gave his fitness trial after being selected in the squad for Australia. And they were using the same redundant techniques for checking his fitness.”

Shoaib also said that the problem lies within the system of the PCB and not in players. The performance on the field is just a reflection of how bad things are in the board.

“We still have the same trainers; the mindset is the same. You cannot improve things like this. I can see things deteriorating from here onwards. I didn’t want to say this but I am totally hopeless,” he said.
“Inspiration will provide you with talent till a certain point. If you do not have a system after that, if you do not have fairness, there is no justice, then average people start taking over and talent starts to disappear,” he added.

Wasim then highlighted right-hand batsman Umar Akmal and all-rounder Imad Wasim’s withering fitness.

“I observed that Umar was not fit,” said Wasim. “He was setting his shirt again and again [to hide his belly fat]. I feel Imad has also put on weight. Both of them I believe were dropped from their Bangladesh Premier League team matches. Now who is supposed to check their fitness levels when they were not with the team?”

On a lighter note, Wasim also talked about former left-hand opener Saeed Anwar of how he managed to come out fit in all tests during his playing days.

“When we used to have fitness tests in our time, who would come out on top always? Saeed – because he would befriend all doctors. We would keep training and he would get away by showing the medical certificate,” he explained.

)) I watched that live and the entire studio went crazy hahaaha. Hillarious thing is as Wasim and Rashid and Akhter said those fitness tests are still taken in Pakistan cricket. nothing has changed. amazing.

 

[Saj]

Unprofessionalism at the top. Cricket being run by people who have no clue what's going on or what to do. Their so-called advisors and senior officials are too interested also in ensuring their own kids and friend's kids get a chance to play in domestic cricket and in tournaments.

Sad state of affairs.

 

[Bewal Express]

Unprofessionalism at the top. Cricket being run by people who have no clue what's going on or what to do. Their so-called advisors and senior officials are too interested also in ensuring their own kids and friend's kids get a chance to play in domestic cricket and in tournaments.

Sad state of affairs.

Its always been the same, do you remember when Junaid Zia was chosen over Abdul Rauf?

 

[Saj]

Its always been the same, do you remember when Junaid Zia was chosen over Abdul Rauf?

So just because it's always been the same, we should just leave it that way and not improve things.

This is the sort of mentality that has created the mess that is Pakistan cricket.

 

[Bewal Express]

So just because it's always been the same, we should just leave it that way and not improve things.

This is the sort of mentality that has created the mess that is Pakistan cricket.

I can get worked up as much as the next guy but you know as well as me that isn't going to change. The PCB is a gravy train for corrupt politicians and that isn't going to change with the current political set-up.

 

[moghul]

Letting a 43 year old who just scored 73 runs in whole series and lost 6 test In a row to decide his own future and playing with Pakistan team's performance even at this point and not simply axing him.

An elderly gentleman who has no credentials as an expert in cricket, making not only administrative but also technical decisions for the team, like selection of captain and some players.

Chief selector who otherwise had a distinguished career as cricketer but reportedly has no time or interest in cricket and doesn't want to take tough decisions for the team which are need of the hour. Contended to continue with the same failed and older players.

 

[Saj]

I can get worked up as much as the next guy but you know as well as me that isn't going to change. The PCB is a gravy train for corrupt politicians and that isn't going to change with the current political set-up.

Until there is change, we will continue to rely on luck rather than proper methods to produce great players.

You can only produce geniuses now and then. The likes of the 2 Ws, Inzi etc only show up once in a while. We need to have a proper system and decent people running the game in Pakistan before it gets worse.

 

[Bewal Express]

Until there is change, we will continue to rely on luck rather than proper methods to produce great players.

You can only produce geniuses now and then. The likes of the 2 Ws, Inzi etc only show up once in a while. We need to have a proper system and decent people running the game in Pakistan before it gets worse.

Totally agree bro, but we on this forum have been saying this for more than a decade and things are just as bad as they have ever been. The people running the PCB are interested in money and photo ops, they have no care or passion for PK cricket and never will.

 

[moghul]

Until there is change, we will continue to rely on luck rather than proper methods to produce great players.

You can only produce geniuses now and then. The likes of the 2 Ws, Inzi etc only show up once in a while. We need to have a proper system and decent people running the game in Pakistan before it gets worse.

Yes, let's keep praying.