London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever after spate of fatal stabbings & shootings

[Gabbar Singh]

London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever after spate of fatal stabbings & shootings

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever <a href="https://t.co/DDt5GXsjRk">https://t.co/DDt5GXsjRk</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/980447656093913088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1 April 2018</a></blockquote>
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[TSA321]

Police cuts are the main reason.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Police cuts are the main reason.

I agree with this, the Tories are such a stupid party and so are their supporters. Sure you have to save money but not on healthcare or the police, people will still become ill and crime will continue. But it's ok those stiff lipped posh clowns will be safe in their nice houses.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The Tories are blaming Sadiq Khan for this (sure he’s the Mayor of London with control over policing so has to share some of the responsibility) yet they say nothing about what Theresa May has done to the police service post 2010. It’s criminal the way police numbers were slashed.

 

[James]

It’s criminal the way police numbers were slashed.

I see what u did thar.

But yes I agree, we need more good old-fashioned bobbies out there patrolling the streets. The more coppers that you feel are in close proximity, the less likely it becomes that a crime will be committed.

 

[Robert]

Not just lack of coppers but lack of social programmes too. Lack of fathers to kids. Lack of real jobs.

It’s so sad that young lads are scared to cross into the next postcode for fear of getting stabbed, while a middle-aged bloke like me could walk across estate after estate and not be identified as a target.

I want my country back.....

 

[Pakistanian]

NYC is actually one of the safest metroplexes in the world. Giuliani and then Bloomberg reaally cleaned up the city.

 

[barah_admi]

NYC is actually one of the safest metroplexes in the world. Giuliani and then Bloomberg reaally cleaned up the city.

London is FAAAAAR safer, the stat quoted in this headline is actually just for one month (February).

However, as a Londoner and a Brit overall, it is sad seeing the state of crime in this country. Police is vastly under funded, fewer officers on the streets and a number of police stations closing down.

I remember buffoon Boris complaining about the closure of 60+ police stations in London alone (including my local) completely forgetting it was his policies that introduced closure to London.

If we keep having these wealthy fools being elected, thats all we're gonna get, one buffoon after another.

 

[Kashmirilion]

The Tories have ruined this country.

 

[shaz619]

Not just lack of coppers but lack of social programmes too. Lack of fathers to kids. Lack of real jobs.

It’s so sad that young lads are scared to cross into the next postcode for fear of getting stabbed, while a middle-aged bloke like me could walk across estate after estate and not be identified as a target.

I want my country back.....

Was just about to point that out. Very easy to get sucked into the wrong crowd when you come from a broken family but besides social programmes we also need to invest more in our schools and teachers; they are the difference between life and death for these kids, but we have a situation where no one really gives a damn because their work load is ridiculous and the pay is rubbish. Plus there are too many children per class room especially in inner city's.

We need to reduce the number of children per class, increase teacher pay and improve their work load; we don't need bitter people guiding our future, they need to inspire and give these kids some hope when they feel like there is no reason to live. There are some university's with proper mental health services, I'd like to see something similar in schools as well.

Conditions in hostels are very poor, it's almost like a prison environment and we have a monumental social housing crisis with the number of children in temporary accommodation going up all the time.

It's terrible, the United Kingdom is almost like a dystopia when you look at what it should be.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Welcome to the effects of austerity.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm very dubious re-this article.
Yes the criminal gangs and the underworld can get hold of guns in London. But compare that with simply walking into a store and buying a gun on the spot as is the case in most U.S. States.

Also, when you talk about 'London' or 'New York', what are you comparing? Greater London? The City of London? Metropolitan London?

Similarly, what bits of New York are you comparing it against? Is the comparison being made of similar sized geographical areas or similar sized populations with similar demographics?

 

[Bewal Express]

Police cuts are the main reason.

How is having more police going to stop young black men stabbing each other?

 

[Bewal Express]

Was just about to point that out. Very easy to get sucked into the wrong crowd when you come from a broken family but besides social programmes we also need to invest more in our schools and teachers; they are the difference between life and death for these kids, but we have a situation where no one really gives a damn because their work load is ridiculous and the pay is rubbish. Plus there are too many children per class room especially in inner city's.

We need to reduce the number of children per class, increase teacher pay and improve their work load; we don't need bitter people guiding our future, they need to inspire and give these kids some hope when they feel like there is no reason to live. There are some university's with proper mental health services, I'd like to see something similar in schools as well.

Conditions in hostels are very poor, it's almost like a prison environment and we have a monumental social housing crisis with the number of children in temporary accommodation going up all the time.

It's terrible, the United Kingdom is almost like a dystopia when you look at what it should be.

The biggest cause of social problems amongst the under class is the break down of the family. In particular people having children that the father has no role in bringing up. That is a cultural issue because of political correctness no wants to talk about.

 

[Bewal Express]

Welcome to the effects of austerity.

Are they stabbing each other over food?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Are they stabbing each other over food?

Austerity isn't just about food. It's about money but more so lack of opportunities in life.

 

[Bewal Express]

Austerity isn't just about food. It's about money but more so lack of opportunities in life.

From my experience there are more opportunities today for school leavers in terms of apprenticeships than there has been since i joined teaching over 20 years ago. The people that are going around stabbing people are not the ones that will see any value in education or apprenticeships.

 

[www787]

are most of these homicides gang related? most of the homicides in NY are gang related.

It is really difficult to prevent gang related homicides regardless of number of cops on the streets.

 

[shaz619]

The biggest cause of social problems amongst the under class is the break down of the family. In particular people having children that the father has no role in bringing up. That is a cultural issue because of political correctness no wants to talk about.

That is certainly an issue which needs addressing and often there is no father to begin with.

From my experience there are more opportunities today for school leavers in terms of apprenticeships than there has been since i joined teaching over 20 years ago. The people that are going around stabbing people are not the ones that will see any value in education or apprenticeships.

I don't think we should have an attitude that every youngster is going to end up as a thug or has no hope, often in schools especially teachers put youngsters down and when they have no father figure it is easy for them to go astray. But if all the issues are addressed at a grass root level and young people are supported / encouraged then we will see positive results. The education system in general is in disarray, there is no consistency they are always changing the format constantly; with regards to apprenticeships, not all lead to long term employment unless you're with someone like Rolls-Royce and many have been put off by the rise in tuition fees, not denying that there are probably more career paths now then in the past but unemployment is always breaking records.

 

[Bewal Express]

I will give a more nuanced and detail reply later as i am in the middle marking CW but as far as your point about Unemployment goes, isnt it strange that millions of Eastern Europeans have found jobs but local people (some)complain about Jobs.

 

[Bewal Express]

I will give a more nuanced and detail reply later as i am in the middle marking CW but as far as your point about Unemployment goes, isnt it strange that millions of Eastern Europeans have found jobs but local people (some)complain about Jobs.
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[shaz619]

I will give a more nuanced and detail reply later as i am in the middle marking CW but as far as your point about Unemployment goes, isnt it strange that millions of Eastern Europeans have found jobs but local people (some)complain about Jobs.
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Made the point on employment with reference to the general statistics but not based on specific communities, speaking of Eastern European's; I've moved to a new area and live among a huge Eastern European population which face the same issues; we're talking jobs here which have genuine growth. Otherwise it is easy to get those gigs where you're paid below the minimum if you know what I mean, zero hour contracts are of no use either unless you're a student. It's not about complaints but addressing the record levels of unemployment and in other instances you have graduates in overqualified positions e.g Mcdonalds, in other words the country is wasting vital resources.

 

[Robert]

How is having more police going to stop young black men stabbing each other?

More visible police presence deters minor quality of life type crime.

Reduce quality of life crime and the murder rate comes down by itself.

 

[KingKhanWC]

More visible police presence deters minor quality of life type crime.

Reduce quality of life crime and the murder rate comes down by itself.

There are also more who can follow leads, investigate and arrest people. There are certain crimes now where it's determined due to the lack of man power are not worth pursuing.

 

[Bewal Express]

More visible police presence deters minor quality of life type crime.

Reduce quality of life crime and the murder rate comes down by itself.

You are right that but the violence here is more gang and ego driven. The Police may deter for a certain time but if someone is desperate to stab for reasons such as lack of respect or drugs, they will do it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Made the point on employment with reference to the general statistics but not based on specific communities, speaking of Eastern European's; I've moved to a new area and live among a huge Eastern European population which face the same issues; we're talking jobs here which have genuine growth. Otherwise it is easy to get those gigs where you're paid below the minimum if you know what I mean, zero hour contracts are of no use either unless you're a student. It's not about complaints but addressing the record levels of unemployment and in other instances you have graduates in overqualified positions e.g Mcdonalds, in other words the country is wasting vital resources.

In my area the unemployment is zero but there are still unemployed people. Confused, well you should be and the reason is that many people are unemployable; lacking not only the work ethic but skills required to get a job.
Eastern Europeans are liked by employers because they are willing to do the jobs that no one wants to do. Those jobs are not brilliantly paid, but at they are jobs.

 

[shaz619]

In my area the unemployment is zero but there are still unemployed people. Confused, well you should be and the reason is that many people are unemployable; lacking not only the work ethic but skills required to get a job.
Eastern Europeans are liked by employers because they are willing to do the jobs that no one wants to do. Those jobs are not brilliantly paid, but at they are jobs.

Those same people will hire others besides eastern european's to especially when they can avoid paying them the minimum wage. We can come to many conclusions on the issues we face but they need to be addressed at the grass root level, it isn't productive to just criticise someones lack of work ethic or skills, people definitely need to take more accountability but so do the people running our country.

 

[Bewal Express]

Those same people will hire others besides eastern european's to especially when they can avoid paying them the minimum wage. We can come to many conclusions on the issues we face but they need to be addressed at the grass root level, it isn't productive to just criticise someones lack of work ethic or skills, people definitely need to take more accountability but so do the people running our country.

I dont accept that they are not being paid minimum wage, established businesses cant afford the bad PR. The main difference is that businesses want people that have a good work ethic and will turn up to work on time. I have taught many kids that you are on about, and too many have an appaling attitude which never accepts responsibility for anything. Nothing will change for these people until they have a desire to change.

 

[Markhor]

are most of these homicides gang related? most of the homicides in NY are gang related.

It is really difficult to prevent gang related homicides regardless of number of cops on the streets.

It is mainly drugs and gang turf wars from what I've read. London is a tale of two cities in that it's home to a small, extremely wealthy international financial elite, living alongside poor, struggling working class communities.

In the inner parts of London many young people are growing up in crumbling schools and poverty which always contributes to higher crime rates. The increasingly unaffordable costs of housing leads to ghettoisation whilst police cuts means there's fewer officers on the street to act as a deterrence. The relationship between the police and black Londoners needs improving too as black Londoners are stopped and searched up to 27 times more likely than whites, meaning young blacks that have no truck with gangs then become angered and marginalised.

Social media doesn't help either as rival gangs and young people can bait each other into violence more easier than ever. I agree with those who say addressing a lack of mentors/positive role models and more commitment to education is important, but the government have not adequately funded our schools and police in the last eight years, and arrogantly dismissed the inevitable consequences of austerity as "scaremongering".

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The killings continue.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/uk-knife-crime-shadow-looms-london-180409141117040.html

 

[DeadBall]

Imagine if the UK had a gun culture like the US. Reminds me of the parody on Family Guy re the British when they had drive by discussions.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A mothers heartbreaking appeal after her son became the 62nd murder victim in London this year <a href="https://t.co/35lAPwLTlg">https://t.co/35lAPwLTlg</a></p>— Metro (@MetroUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/993186154894815233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 May 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">London has seen a surge in stabbings and shootings this year that briefly pushed the murder rate higher than that of once crime-plagued New York <a href="https://t.co/ryaa0AhMVa">https://t.co/ryaa0AhMVa</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/993264395395522560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 May 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Saj]

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A 16-year-old boy who was stabbed to death in a residential road in Hounslow has been named as Ashmeet Singh.

The teenager was found suffering fatal knife wounds in Raleigh Road on Wednesday evening.

He is the 28th teenager to be killed on the streets of London this year, one away from a peak of 29 teen homicides in 2008.

Friends believe Ashmeet was stabbed over a fake Gucci pouch he always wore.

A shopkeeper told the Standard: “Police came to check my CCTV and said there had been a stabbing, I couldn’t believe it.

“I knew him, he was a good guy.

“His friends are all saying he was stabbed over this Gucci bag, it wasn’t even real. It’s terrible.

“I wish I had heard something or he had run to me. I would have pulled down the shutters to keep him safe - I had the staff to handle it.”

Friends revealed that Ashmeet did part-time jobs to care for his disabled mother, who lives above a shop close to where her son was killed.

Daljit Singh said: “He was a very good friend. It’s so sad.

“He was caring for his mother, he worked very hard doing part time jobs...what he could. He was always doing shopping for her. He was very good to her.

“She was crying outside this morning. All over a Gucci bag that’s not worth anything.”

Police said they were called to Raleigh Road, Southall, at 9.07pm on Wednesday to reports of a stabbing.

Social media footage shows police officers battling in vain to save Ashmeet’s life in a front garden.

There have been no arrests.

On Thursday morning, a forensics tent and discarded medical equipment, including a defibrillator, could be seen lying on the driveway of a home.

A resident said he was asleep until emergency services arrived and performed CPR on the teenager.

Another neighbour said Ashmeet managed to run from his attackers before collapsing outside the house.

He said: “It’s tragic. We were waiting outside the cordon and everyone was talking. He is from the Sikh community and lives nearby so we are all upset.”

It comes one week after 14-year-old Jermaine Cools was stabbed to death in Croydon.

The 14-year-old, described as an “angel” by his parents, self-presented at hospital with stab wounds but died a short time later.

Police renewed an appeal to find witnesses on Thursday with no arrests made so far.

DCI Richard Vandenbergh, of the Met’s Specialist Crime Command, said: “We know that this was a murder which happened in a public place in the middle of a busy, commuter time and people will have witnessed Jermaine being attacked. I am asking for anyone who was in the area to cast their minds back to last Thursday.

“Were you at or travelling past the station at around 6.40pm? Did you see anything that might help police find the people responsible for Jermaine’s murder?

“Jermaine was a central member of his family, and his parents have been left devastated and without a son. At the very least, they are owed an explanation for why their son was killed, and police will continue to work relentlessly to ensure the people responsible are held to account.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/news...nslow-over-gucci-bag/ar-AAR79WZ?ocid=msedgntp