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Mark Wood or Wahab Riaz - Who is the better ENFORCER?

Who is the better Enforcer?


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Both are very aggressive and bowl quick, they do not specialise in lateral movement but can get the old ball to do a bit at times.

Who would you pick if you had to out the two?

Current bowling statistics

Tests

Wahab Riaz: 78 wickets @ 34.35 (25 Tests)

Mark Wood: 26 wickets @ 35.69 (9 Tests)

ODI's

Wahab Riaz: 102 wickets @ 34.34 (79 matches)

Mark Wood: 21 wickets @ 42.66 (19 matches)
 
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Just like Pak selectors Pak fans are going to have a very hard time differentiating test performances and ODI performances.

Wahab was key for Misbah in the UAE tests.
 
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What is an enforcer? I cant say who the better enforcer is, until you define its meaning.

Anyway, Riaz has better stats but Wood is younger and has more scope to improve, wheras Riaz is coming to the end of his international career.

So i would take Wood for my team(even though Riaz has had the better career to date)
 
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What is an enforcer? I cant say who the better enforcer is, until you define its meaning.

Anyway, Riaz has better stats but Wood is younger and has more scope to improve, wheras Riaz is coming to the end of his international career.

So i would take Wood for my team(even though Riaz has had the better career to date)

A strong, aggressive, or intimidating player whose role is to protect teammates (contain) or to dominate an area of the field of play (impact quality).
 
both are mediocre but Wahab has more of an x factor.

Woods has a long way to go anyhow watching him bowl I was reminded of Riaz who has done a pretty decent job at the Test level on flat pitches for us.
 
Enforcer : Capable of producing deliveries of greater velocity than their peers but usually translates into ball hitting the boundary with greater regularity. This is offset by the very occasional "good spell" where they actually look a class above but still without many wkts to show for their endeavours. Oh and also the ability to reverse the old ball gets frequent mentions too.
 
Both are the type of bowlers who can rattle the opposition batsmen. I still remember Wahab bowling an epic spell in NZ, he bowled 9 overs in a row running in and bowling at 100% each delivery. It changed the match, the batting team came out off their comfort zone which made it advantage Pakistan.

Wood has a lot to prove, id go with Wahab.
 
Mark Wood is the better bowler. Who's the better enforcer is pretty irrelevant to me.
 
Broad was called the enforcer before he started bowling good :)). Think it's pretty irrelevant.

Riaz on his day is lethal, so I'd go with him. Havent seen much of wood.
 
Both are pretty mediocre Both are/have played on fantasy rather than performance
 
A guy named Wahab will never be an international level pacer again but a Mark would.
 
Looking into the stats, one thing's for sure is that they both enforce a lot of misery on their own teams indeed, though Wahab is just another level of useless. Pakistan would be better off using a catapult from the bowling end than to play Wahab ever again.
 
Looking into the stats, one thing's for sure is that they both enforce a lot of misery on their own teams indeed, though Wahab is just another level of useless. Pakistan would be better off using a catapult from the bowling end than to play Wahab ever again.

Hahaha well said. Wahab is a trundler with a bit of pace. Nothing more.
 
Wahab is the worst cricketer I've seen to play for Pakistan ever since I grew up watching cricket, there's nothing threatening about his bowling. Wood however has a much higher ceiling and looked quite promising quite a few times.
 
Think people are being overly critical of Riaz, they weren't saying that in World cup 2011 final or quarter finals of world cup 2015. And there was a period of time, pre 2012 he was averaging mid 20s.

Once the new ball rule was introduced however, Riaz just lost effectiveness.
 
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Trundler: Slow, laborious type of bowler who thinks he's quick, once was quick, or is simply old, fat and unfit and needs to be put out to pasture. See military medium

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/239756.html

We can agree that WR got the pace but he ain't good enough. That makes him somewhat a trundler, I guess.
 
Ridiculous thread.

Didn't know this was a game of Hockey.

What in the world is an enforcer? Someone who bowl fast but averages 35-40?

I'm not sure about Wood, but Riaz is an out and out failure as a bowler and should never play for Pakistan again. So Wood wins whatever comparison you're trying to make here.
 
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Trundler: Slow, laborious type of bowler who thinks he's quick, once was quick, or is simply old, fat and unfit and needs to be put out to pasture. See military medium

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/239756.html

We can agree that WR got the pace but he ain't good enough. That makes him somewhat a trundler, I guess.

no it does not. you cannot have pace and be a trundler at the same time. he is an average bowler but far from a trundler
 
Wahab is very useful in tests on flat pitches where his extra pace gives you something different at least and he gets the ball to reverse taking the pitch out of the equation. This is the main role for an enforcer. Wahab is the better enforcer but Wood the much better bowler overall because he gets the new ball to do a bit and has a brain and can actually bowl well in ODI's unlike Wahab.

But since an enforcer is only a test bowler it has to be Wahab. He has been quite useful in the UAE tests as well as being our best bowler in the test matches in Australia, yes even better than Amir.
 
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Wahab Riaz bowls good rarely but when he does he is really beast.Two of his great spells i remember are
1. India vs Pak in 2011 world cup (5 wickets)
2. Pak vs Aus 2015 world cup (watson spell & clark's wicket)
 
'Enforcer' is the most adrenaline-adled of euphemisms: effectively, someone who bowls fast but doesn't take wickets.

It is what Broad was called before he became a genuine wicket taking spearhead. It is NOT what Johnson was called when he wrecked England in Australia.

And by these standards, Woods is doing a fine job bettering Wahab's stellar record as an 'Enforcer'
 
Mark Wood feels ready to crank up the pace at Lord’s this coming week should the instruction come from Joe Root. But the long-term aim is still to become a bowler for all seasons and one who lives up to some as yet unfulfilled hype in Test cricket.

Unless an emerald green pitch is rolled out at Lord’s when England take on Pakistan from Thursday, and makes the uncapped spin of Dom Bess as redundant as an Argos catalogue in Ikea, then the chief talking point will be whether it is Wood or Chris Woakes – who took 11 wickets in the same fixture two years ago – who gets the final spot. Though Wood is the incumbent, having replaced Woakes for the final Test of the winter in Christchurch, Root and the head coach, Trevor Bayliss, will still take a view based on the surface. Grassy, and the Warwickshire bowler could win his spot back; dry with potential for reverse later on, and it is over to Durham’s fast but slightly fragile right-armer.

Asked during the launch of the new England kits where his pace is currently, Wood replies: “That’s a question for the speed gun. There’s times I can bowl quickly and times I know I can but don’t like to force it because I’ll leak runs. It depends what the captain wants – if he wants me to rev it up then I’m happy to do that.

“I want to be a bowler for all conditions. But I’d certainly be happy if they said Woakes, Jake Ball or whoever is more suited to a pitch – I wouldn’t have a problem. More than anything I want the team to do well. Hopefully I can bring something else when conditions aren’t like that, where it’s drier, reverses or a slower pitch.”

Such skills came to the fore during Wood’s first county match of the season when, having called time early on a bench-warming spell in the Indian Premier League with Chennai Super Kings, he used similar conditions to claim a career-best six for 46 in Durham’s run-soaked draw at Derbyshire, which finished on Monday. His dismissal of Wayne Madsen, caught behind failing to evade a searing short ball from around the wicket, was his personal favourite and demonstrated why England have persisted for three years.

With 28 wickets at 41 from 11 Tests, the 28-year-old accepts that while injuries are a factor, the Test-watching public are yet to see his best. “I need to get more wickets, I need to be more consistent,” says Wood. “To be honest I’ve got a lot to prove to the selectors, coaches, media, the fans because I’m a guy people probably had high hopes for and I’ve not done it consistently enough. An average of 40 is pretty average to be honest and I definitely want to lower that.

“I’ve got a point to prove to myself that I am good enough to do it at that level. Am I really as good as I think I am? Am I as good as the commentators, selectors think I am? Can I live up to that? I’ve got a long way to go.”

Such honesty is one of Wood’s endearing qualities, as is the drive to succeed at Test level in an era when, as a fast bowler with a back story of injuries and operations, he could easily jump on the Twenty20 train as a white-ball specialist.

The reason why not? “When I was in the back garden as a kid it was never T20 or 50-over, it was Test matches. In my mind all the best players were at Test level and that’s what I wanted to strive to. These days, the 50- and 20-over stuff is a huge part of the game so I’m delighted to be part of such a good team.

“But the pinnacle for me is still trying to get into that Test side and I think I have a real point to prove.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/19/mark-wood-england-pakistan-test
 
oh god :facepalm:

trundler = medium pace bowler. how can you be a "trundler with a bit of pace"? trundler does not mean poor bowler

Actually it tends to be used to imply both poor and slow. Asif for instance, was never called a Trundler, nor is Philander. If you are slow AND taking wickets regularly you are something other than a Trundler.

The Enforcer is the twin of the Trundler, in common usage. The Enforcer is a bowler who bowls quickish but fails to take wickets. Hence it is imagined with varying degrees of truthfulness that he intimidates the opposition.

If the Trundler takes occasional wickets, those wickets really fell because of the fear and intimidation exerted by The Enforcer. See Sohail and Wahab during the last England tour.

The early Broad was regularly called an Enforcer, to growing ridicule. Someone like Mitch Johnson, the most genuinely intimidating bowler of recent memory, was NOT an Enforcer, because he took wickets.
 
I don’t really understand this enforcer term either - does it mean a bowler who is nasty to face and bowls long spells?

I was impressed by Wahab in the last test Anglo-Pakistan test. He kept going at speed for a long time and made scoring hard.

I see Wood as more of a strike bowler but sadly he is prone to breakdown.
 
I wonder if Wood will play, it's between him and Woakes it seems.
 
mark wood might have potential to be top class but in terms of pace wahab beats him easily and has performed well in many tests in patches. I would take wahab over mark each and every day.
 
Wahab Riaz on dead pitches of UAE was very under rated
 
What is the purpose of Mark Wood?

This guy has an average of 40 plus in both forms of the game. Does England have a lack of bowlers. They need to get woakes fit so he can come and bowl properly and even strengthen their tail even more.
 
This guy has an average of 40 plus in both forms of the game. Does England have a lack of bowlers. They need to get woakes fit so he can come and bowl properly and even strengthen their tail even more.

The so called enforcer / firestarter. Should bring more pace but he hardly gets it past 88mph:sanga
 
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