Martin Scorsese to produce 'gritty and grounded' Joker origin story – reports

[shaz619]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ritty-and-grounded-joker-origin-story-reports

Directed by Todd Phillips, with a lead that’s yet to be cast, the ‘hard-boiled crime film’ will pay stylistic homage to Scorsese’s films of early-80s

The Batman universe is set to expand once more with a new film from Warner Bros and DC with Martin Scorsese on board to produce, according to a report in the Hollywood online news site, Deadline.

The film – an origin story of the character, which won’t be attached to any other iteration – will be directed by The Hangover’s Todd Phillips, who will co-write the film with Scott Silver (8 Mile, The Fighter).

While Jared Leto is currently playing the character in the DC expanded universe, including in the forthcoming Suicide Squad sequel and Gotham City Sirens, the new film, according to Deadline’s Mike Fleming Jr, “will launch the character with a different actor, possibly younger”.

“The intention is to make a gritty and grounded hard-boiled crime film set in early-80s Gotham City of Scorsese’s films from that era, like Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or The King Of Comedy,” he writes.

This will be the first film under a new WB banner that expands DC properties with new storylines and different actors – and while the script is already in the works, there are no signs yet as to where the film will fit in the DC schedule.

Whichever actor they pick has big shoes to fill, following iconic performances from Jack Nicholson in 1989’s Batman and Heath Ledger in 2008’s The Dark Knight, which was released after his death in January that year.

 

[shaz619]

They could take great inspiration from the Killing Joke, was a very edgy graphic novel. There's potential here if done right, could end up being a pretty decent crime / thriller in the confines of the DC Universe.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] What do you guys think ? and who'd you cast as The Joker? My pick is Di Caprio

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

 

[Suleiman]

That's awesome to hear, and glad that he's behind this.

That's 2 awesome news stories in a week. First the age of,empires reveal now this.

I hope they cast James Franco lmao. It is a long shot, but I think he can do great.

 

[Suleiman]

Actually Jake Gyllenhaal would probably be the best choice. After his Nightcrawler performance I'm sure he can pull it off.

Tom Hiddleston would also be good. He has that gaunt looking, sinister persona and the Joker in the comics also has a similar physique, most versions at least.

 

[msb314]

Actually Jake Gyllenhaal would probably be the best choice. After his Nightcrawler performance I'm sure he can pull it off.

Tom Hiddleston would also be good. He has that gaunt looking, sinister persona and the Joker in the comics also has a similar physique, most versions at least.

Rumor has it Tom is next in line to play James Bond - so I doubt he will get involved with D.C.

 

[shaz619]

That's awesome to hear, and glad that he's behind this.

That's 2 awesome news stories in a week. First the age of,empires reveal now this.

I hope they cast James Franco lmao. It is a long shot, but I think he can do great.

They want a younger dude potentially, who are the best young actors out there ?

I'd go out on a limb and say Jack Gleeson could potentially be brilliant, however he's a bit short and that could go against him being cast. Daniel Radcliffe is another wild card.

 

[Suleiman]

They want a younger dude potentially, who are the best young actors out there ?

I'd go out on a limb and say Jack Gleeson could potentially be brilliant, however he's a bit short and that could go against him being cast. Daniel Radcliffe is another wild card.

I don't know what his name is, but the guy they used as Jerome Valeska in the Gotham series, but I don't think he is that popular.


He nails it though:

Watch from 3 mins onwards.


I can see Jack Gleeson doing it. But if they are willing to spend I think Eddie Redmayne is the only young guy looking actor out there. He played the Danish Woman and won an Oscar so he is definitely versatile enough to play the Joker.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I really hope this is dark similar to TDK. The Joker has to be one of the best evil characters ever and to produced by MS, this could go down as an epic great film.

I wouldn't mind Johnny Depp playing the Joker in this one.

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Why is DC focussing only on rebooting the already well known characters. Doesn't their roster rival that of Marvels.?

Marvel managed to make superhits our of C-grade comic heroes like the GotG. Why can't DC try that ..?

Anyways , I'm all in for this one, given the quality of Talent invloved.

 

[shaz619]

I don't know what his name is, but the guy they used as Jerome Valeska in the Gotham series, but I don't think he is that popular.


He nails it though:

Watch from 3 mins onwards.


I can see Jack Gleeson doing it. But if they are willing to spend I think Eddie Redmayne is the only young guy looking actor out there. He played the Danish Woman and won an Oscar so he is definitely versatile enough to play the Joker.

I watch Gotham and good shout ! he's terrific ! Jerome v Bruce on that show is the closest thing to Joker v Bats that we"ll get, also the guy who plays penguin in the same show is also excellent. True, the dude who plays Jerome is not a big enough name but at the same time with him being involved with the TV series unlikely that he'd be cast.

Eddie is a great actor, he was amazing in theory of everything as well. 35 years old however, if the reports are true that they want someone young perhaps they are looking at someone in their 20's

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Why is DC focussing only on rebooting the already well known characters. Doesn't their roster rival that of Marvels.?

Marvel managed to make superhits our of C-grade comic heroes like the GotG. Why can't DC try that ..?

Anyways , I'm all in for this one, given the quality of Talent invloved.

I don't mind this at all, they may as well stick to their strengths and go back to the route of creating distinct movies because they've been poor at developing the DC universe. The Dark Knight, Superman 1978 and 2006 , Batman Begins, 90's Batman 1 and 2, Constantine , Watchmen and V for Vendetta were all pretty good.

I'd use The Dark Knight and Killing Joke as a starting point with regards to the development of this movie when it comes to a template and if done right they have the chance to be nominated for an Academy Award.

 

[JaDed]

Martin the director of Taxi driver would be perfect for this,but not Martin of the silence.

Also why is Todd allowed to direct this movie?? I'm already biased against his direction

Have to wait and see which actor will take this,Lio wouldn't take the risk,Heath Ledger rose above the script and direction to play that role, don't see any actor putting in that effort.

 

[Robert]

I don't want the Joker to have an origin story. He is powerful due to his mystery.

Like Hannibal Lecter who was terrifying until we found out he was an abused child, then we started feeling sorry for him.

 

[TM Riddle]

Should cast Jake Gyllenhaal or Matthew McConaughey.

 

[shaz619]

I don't want the Joker to have an origin story. He is powerful due to his mystery.

Like Hannibal Lecter who was terrifying until we found out he was an abused child, then we started feeling sorry for him.

That is a good point mate but it does not have to be the definite Joker origin story and not like anyone is doing anything big with the character as far as movies are concerned right now. Also, The Killing Joke did touch on his background; it was critically acclaimed and no harm done. They just need to make sure they make a quality movie.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Scorsese must be nearing dementia if he is looking to piggy back on Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy. But there again, here he is on my view and I wouldn't have thought of him before I came here so he must be doing something right.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Martin the director of Taxi driver would be perfect for this,but not Martin of the silence.

Also why is Todd allowed to direct this movie?? I'm already biased against his direction

Have to wait and see which actor will take this,Lio wouldn't take the risk,Heath Ledger rose above the script and direction to play that role, don't see any actor putting in that effort.

Silence was still an excellent movie. Only 7.2 on imdb but one of my favourites of 2016 along with la la land, Manchester by the sea, hell or high water and hacksaw ridge

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Scorsese is the greatest director of all time. No one can deny that. He is a versatile artist. I don't think he will mess up even though he is just the producer although Nolan produced man of steel which was mediocre

 

[Chrish]

Yes everyone can deny it.. it's Spielberg

Might wanna look up the meaning of word versatile

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Yes everyone can deny it.. it's Spielberg

Might wanna look up the meaning of word versatile

Spielberg is great but better than Scorsese? Give me a break. Any hardcore film fan will agree with me.

 

[JaDed]

Spielberg is great but better than Scorsese? Give me a break. Any hardcore film fan will agree with me.

Spielberg is more versatile, but he cannot extract the performance from actors like Scorsese.
Spielberg's movies are re-watchable and for a wider audience compared to Scorsese.

 

[JaDed]

Silence was still an excellent movie. Only 7.2 on imdb but one of my favourites of 2016 along with la la land, Manchester by the sea, hell or high water and hacksaw ridge

Yes,but I expect more from his movies.

 

[Red Devil]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] What do you guys think ? and who'd you cast as The Joker? My pick is Di Caprio

This is a fantastic idea, Joker is such an intruding character, his origin story should be very interesting. Could very well turn out to be an amazing film.

As mentioned above, Gyllenhaal sounds like a pretty good candidate. Another guy that comes to mind is Iwan Rheon, he absolutely killed it as Ramsay Bolton, I think he'd make a great Joker as well.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Its a terrible idea. Joker doesn't need a separate movie and certainly not an origin story. Thankfully, its highly unlikely that this project will see the light of the day.

 

[Red Devil]

Spielberg is more versatile, but he cannot extract the performance from actors like Scorsese.
Spielberg's movies are re-watchable and for a wider audience compared to Scorsese.

Spielberg is probably more versatile of two tbh but I personally prefer Scorsese. Most of my favorite films are directed by him. Can't wait for The Irishman, the book was amazing, hopefully the movie lives up to the expectations.

 

[JaDed]

Spielberg is probably more versatile of two tbh but I personally prefer Scorsese. Most of my favorite films are directed by him. Can't wait for The Irishman, the book was amazing, hopefully the movie lives up to the expectations.

Probably most of them prefer Scorsese, Martin's movies have raw emotions,ugly truth which are hard to find in other people's work,one can appreciate only with age.

Daniel day Lewis and Lio are the top ones that worked with both ,would be very interesting to see what they say about the comparison, although I Know Lio's answer

 

[CricketCartoons]

Can't wait for it. Will be such a gift to humanity from Scorsese.

 

[shaz619]

Scorsese is the greatest director of all time. No one can deny that. He is a versatile artist. I don't think he will mess up even though he is just the producer although Nolan produced man of steel which was mediocre

I was just about to touch on that point , recall being fired up even more so when I heard Nolan was producing BvS. Yeah I don't think Martin will mess up, am disappointed he's not the director though. And I agree he's probably the greatest of all time, I don't think a Spielberg movie will ever make me cry; maybe his latest one will but that's more to do with the fact that he shot majority of the scenes for Ready Player One in me hometown

But blimey, Scorsee is on another level when it comes to getting audiences emotionally invested in his characters and plot, these were simply outstanding:

Raging Bull
Goodfellas
The Aviator
The Departed
Shutter Island


Although I loved ET, Catch Me If You Can, Jaws and Jurrasic Park. Especially E.T and Jurrasic Park during my childhood, I suppose the younger me would disagree with the older me in terms of how much of an impact the movie had on me. But I do believe that Scorsee is the better director who also took a swim in uncharted waters when it came to Hugo and that was excellent, he is certainly a lot more versatile imo because Scorsee has made a Spielberg like movie in Hugo while Spilberg has never been able to make a movie on the level of Raging Bull.

Obviously if we're discussing wider reach and financials then Spilberg probably edges Scorsee but that doesn't mean he's the better director, I think Spilberg has even worked as producer on the Transformer movies; what a sharamful individual ! but I think him for giving me ET in my childhood, it's one of my all time favourite movies ever

 

[shaz619]

The other reason why I agree with aliasad that Martin will do well as producer is because he's a perfectionist who actually gives a damn about making a quality movie and will not show up just for a pay check, in that regard he is much like Di Caprio; they define themselves by the quality of their work and forget about how it will be received at the box office and more often then not the critical acclaim tends to sell tickets

 

[shaz619]

Silence was still an excellent movie. Only 7.2 on imdb but one of my favourites of 2016 along with la la land, Manchester by the sea, hell or high water and hacksaw ridge

What would you give Silence out of 10 ? I've not seen it yet, it has pretty decent reviews, Metacritc is my most valued metric and they have given the movie a score of 79 which is excellent because anything above 55-60 is worth a watch and anything above 60 is good, beyond 70+ excellent.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

What would you give Silence out of 10 ? I've not seen it yet, it has pretty decent reviews, Metacritc is my most valued metric and they have given the movie a score of 79 which is excellent because anything above 55-60 is worth a watch and anything above 60 is good, beyond 70+ excellent.

I'd give it an 8.2 tbh. It was his most beautiful movie yet, without a doubt. A bit slow though and difficult to watch for some

 

[shaz619]

I'd give it an 8.2 tbh. It was his most beautiful movie yet, without a doubt. A bit slow though and difficult to watch for some

Will be watching it soon, these are my watchlist which I've not seen yet due to a lot of stuff going on:

Lego Batman
La La Land
The Big Sick
Silence
Arrival
Moonlight
Power Rangers (I know it's rubbish but been a big Rangers fan growing up)
Moana
John Wick 2
Kong Skull Island

Also look forward to Ready Player One and the Horror movie 'IT' I hope that is good

 

[Arsal_AK]

Scorsese is the greatest director of all time. No one can deny that. He is a versatile artist. I don't think he will mess up even though he is just the producer although Nolan produced man of steel which was mediocre

Sure you can, as good as Scorsese is (his top three of Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas is one of the best), he is not the greatest director of all time. Neither is Spielberg by way, especially when you consider that they have been lacking of late. I prefer Spielberg over Scorsese though.

The best should be for guys like Tarkovsky, Kubrick; the Asian masters in Ozu, Kurosama and the likes Hitchcock, Dreyer, Ford, Fellini, Bergman to name a few.

For me its either Kubrick or Tarkovsky. If cinema is an art form then Tarokovsky is its greatest proponent. You can make a case for every movie of his to be a masterpiece. He has done only 7 films but cinema doesn't get better than Andrei Rublev, The Mirror and Stalker.
And few have show such mastery and craftsmanship across so many genres as Kubrick- 2001: A Space Odyssey (sci-fi), Dr. Strangelove (satire), A Clockwork Orange (dystopian, crime) Full Metal Jacket (war), The Shinning (horror), all are amongst the best of their genres. He has dabbled in film noir, dramas (historic, biographic) and thrillers and done extremely well.

 

[shaz619]

As far as the Asians are concerned, Akira Kurosawa also deserves a shout for the greatest ever

 

[shaz619]

I really hope this is dark similar to TDK. The Joker has to be one of the best evil characters ever and to produced by MS, this could go down as an epic great film.

I wouldn't mind Johnny Depp playing the Joker in this one.

A dark and gritty depiction in line with Martin style when it comes to the crime/thriller genre would be perfect, he could make it even more authentic then TDK and there is plenty of source material he could take inspiration from such as The Killing Joke graphic novel

 

[Arsal_AK]

As far as the Asians are concerned, Akira Kurosawa also deserves a shout for the greatest ever

Definitely, one of the best. I meant Kurosawa as well, don't know how it changed to sama. I have heard great things about Mizoguchi as well, haven't seen any of his movies though.

Wong Kar Wai is brilliant too, one of my favorites and when it comes to animation, you can't get better than Miyazaki.

Another name worth mentioning is Abbas Kairostami from Iran, terrific filmmaker.

 

[shaz619]

Definitely, one of the best. I meant Kurosawa as well, don't know how it changed to sama. I have heard great things about Mizoguchi as well, haven't seen any of his movies though.

Wong Kar Wai is brilliant too, one of my favorites and when it comes to animation, you can't get better than Miyazaki.

Another name worth mentioning is Abbas Kairostami from Iran, terrific filmmaker.

Can't take anything away from these guys, often we limit the entertainment industry to Hollywood when it's so diverse and many folk from East Asia are some of the most influential the industry has ever seen globally. Kurosawa I admit have not seen a lot of his stuff outside The Seven Samurai but that is in my top 5 favourite movies ever. Chan-wook Park and Andrew Lau are also quality from the modern era.

 

[shaz619]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/aug/24/the-joker-origin-film-perfect-martin-scorsese-villain

Why not so serious: might The Joker make the perfect Martin Scorsese villain?

News that the Oscar-winning film-maker is set to produce an origins story for Batman’s most notorious nemesis has come as a surprise – but history suggests that the match might not be as disastrous as it sounds

At first glance, Warner Bros’ decision to pitch a Joker origins movie starring somebody other than Jared Leto looks crazier than the clown prince of Gotham at his most psychopathically nutty. Leto was popular in the role in the otherwise wasteful Suicide Squad, and the studio is currently trying to convince audiences to buy into its grand DC Extended Universe of linked comic book movies. Indeed, Variety reports today that Leto is now set to return alongside Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn in an entirely separate adventure for the psychopathic lovers, so why undermine the razzamatazz of the main event with a sideshow starring a different actor in the role?

Fortunately for Warner, studio big cheeses have already identified and located the trump card in this scenario, for The Joker has always been the most unreliable of narrators. In Christopher Nolan’s modern classic The Dark Knight, the supervillain offers up varying stories to explain how he picked up the hideous scars around his mouth. And in the controversial 1988 Alan Moore graphic novel The Killing Joke, the best we have in terms of a detailed back story for the character, he admits the story we’ve been reading may not be true at all: “Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I’m going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.”

If we must have the cinematic equivalent of a comic book one-shot or “what if” entry in the DC big screen canon, The Joker therefore makes the perfect candidate. And who could turn their nose up at the prospect of an early 1980s period piece produced by (and apparently heavily influenced by the work of) one Martin Scorsese? Deadline reports the origins story is being pitched as a “gritty and grounded hard-boiled crime film set in early-80s Gotham City that isn’t meant to feel like a DC movie as much as one of Scorsese’s films from that era, like Taxi Driver, Raging Bull or The King Of Comedy”.

How much influence the Oscar-winning director of The Departed really has on the movie remains to be seen, especially as the director attached is not Scorsese at all, but The Hangover’s rather less-garlanded Todd Phillips. But let’s lay that narrative to one side for a moment, because the synergy of a Scorsese-led Joker movie is just too perfect not to comment on.

Batman’s leering nemesis has always felt a little like a Scorsese bad guy. Perhaps it’s the memory of Jack Nicholson in Tim Burton’s Batman – it’s not too hard to imagine an older, less ostentatious version of The Joker bidding farewell to Gotham and laying low among the mobsters of South Boston for a while, before re-emerging as The Departed’s Frank Costello and embarking on a new reign of terror. In fact, there’s a little of The Joker in many of Scorsese’s most memorable miscreants: the single-minded desperation for the spotlight and love of bombast that supercharges Robert DeNiro’s Rupert Pupkin in The King of Comedy; the psychopathic self-obsession and doubt that festers within Taxi Driver’s Travis Bickle; the penchant for sudden unhinged outbursts of extreme violence that defines Joe Pesci’s Tommy DeVito in Goodfellas.

There is an argument, of course, that the prospect of seeing The Joker reimagined through Scorsese’s lens might end up being no laughing matter. In The Killing Joke, which was recently made into a poorly received animated movie, we see the torrid tale of Depression-era poverty and tragedy that led to an ordinary man being transformed into an evil, cackling sociopath. The Joker, it is revealed, was once a Pupkin-like failed comic who got in too deep with the wrong crowd, and in his desperation for money to support a pregnant wife ended up the patsy in a clumsy, doomed criminal enterprise. There is something of Scorsese’s fascination with troubled 20th century masculinity here, but even Moore could not quite bring himself to make this The Joker’s definitive origin – hence the “multiple choice” line.

Perhaps the comic book icon realised that The Joker’s only real superpower is his sphinx-like menace, the grinning, sociopathic poker-face that means it is utterly impossible to predict his next nefarious move. Does that icy-white mask conceal a lingering humanity? If so it’s one most Batman fans won’t be entirely sure they want to see exposed, for it’s just possible The Joker might not really be The Joker if we see the tears beneath the venomous one-liners.

 

[Chrish]

Spielberg is great but better than Scorsese? Give me a break. Any hardcore film fan will agree with me.

If you learn to add "IMO" at the end of each sentence, it will annoy less people.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If you learn to add "IMO" at the end of each sentence, it will annoy less people.

As if you wrote imo at the end of yours. The hypocrisy. Besides when my opinion is right I don't need to present it as one

 

[Chrish]

As I found you wrote imo at the end of yours. The hypocrisy. Besides when my opinion is right I don't need to present it as one

LOL not surprised least bit with such response!

The "fact" scorsese is the greatest director is very much arguable. Forget Spilberg, ever heard of Stanley Kubrick? Or Ingmar Bergman?

Ever checked out the list of top 10 movies from critics and famous directors? Federico Fellini is the most popular name in those list but I doubt you would have even heard of him.

But this place is flooded with high school/ college kids who think they know it all.

 

[in_cutter]

DCU is all over the place..they are also making a Harley Quinn & Joker movie with Jared Leto. Not sure where the new origin movie would fit in.

 

[Chrish]

And add Alford Hitchcock to the list above!!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

LOL not surprised least bit with such response!

The "fact" scorsese is the greatest director is very much arguable. Forget Spilberg, ever heard of Stanley Kubrick? Or Ingmar Bergman?

Ever checked out the list of top 10 movies from critics and famous directors? Federico Fellini is the most popular name in those list but I doubt you would have even heard of him.

But this place is flooded with high school/ college kids who think they know it all.

My knowledge of movies is unmatched on this forum. I have seen Kubricks films multiple times. I have seen Fellinis movies as well. I don't know about you but I'd rather watch goodfellas or the departed over any of his films which are excellent but good luck enjoying la dolce vita as much as you've enjoy raging bull. As if being in college has anything to do with how much you know about movies. Scorsese is the undisputed greatest and most skillful director there is. He may not be the most important though but most important does not mean greatest. Hitchcock, Welles etc were more important in shaping cinema.

But how can I argue with a hypocrite who bluntly says breaking bad shouldnt even be compared to game of thrones and yet asks people to specify that what they are saying is their opinion. Funny how you call me a college/high school kid but you rate game of thrones so much higher than a perfectly written show like breaking bad.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Kubrick is slightly overrated by people. This is coming from a guy who has him in his list of top 5 directors. He was way ahead of his time and was certainly a unique perfectionist but Scorsese, Tarantino, Nolan, Spielberg, Hitchcock, Leone etc have all made more entertaining movies than him. My personal favourite film by Kubrick is full metal jacket and especially the first half till the bathroom scene

 

[Chrish]

I am not a fan of BB but I can see why it's rated high objectively. Whatever I have said in the past was purely in jest.

"My knowledge of movies is unmatched on this forum."

Ok

 

[proud_pakistani]

TBH I have mixed feelings about this. I love the fact that we have no idea of jokers origins and that he is such a mystery. At the same time I am curious as well.

 

[proud_pakistani]

I am not a fan of BB but I can see why it's rated high objectively. Whatever I have said in the past was purely in jest.

"My knowledge of movies is unmatched on this forum."

Ok

To be fair his knowledge on movies is pretty good.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I am not a fan of BB but I can see why it's rated high objectively. Whatever I have said in the past was purely in jest.

"My knowledge of movies is unmatched on this forum."

Ok

He may not be modest, but he is not wrong. I am very reluctant in praising anyone here, but have to agree that he is not just a poster, but an entire school of cinema.

 

[Chrish]

He may not be modest, but he is not wrong. I am very reluctant in praising anyone here, but have to agree that he is not just a poster, but an entire school of cinema.

Having knowledge of something doesn't mean you start passing your opinions as facts.

Having some knowledge of movies myself, I call BS on many childish self-glorification posts.

 

[shaz619]

Having knowledge of something doesn't mean you start passing your opinions as facts.

Having some knowledge of movies myself, I call BS on many childish self-glorification posts.

From the enthusiasts perspective a lot of what he says is the general consensus but yeah every one has a right to their opinion, I don't think he's said anything ridiculous personally and I poke fun at him sometimes but along with SandyB and JaDed I really like reading their thoughts on movies and TV Shows, they know their stuff

 

[in_cutter]

My knowledge of movies is unmatched on this forum. I have seen Kubricks films multiple times. I have seen Fellinis movies as well. I don't know about you but I'd rather watch goodfellas or the departed over any of his films which are excellent but good luck enjoying la dolce vita as much as you've enjoy raging bull. As if being in college has anything to do with how much you know about movies. Scorsese is the undisputed greatest and most skillful director there is. He may not be the most important though but most important does not mean greatest. Hitchcock, Welles etc were more important in shaping cinema.

But how can I argue with a hypocrite who bluntly says breaking bad shouldnt even be compared to game of thrones and yet asks people to specify that what they are saying is their opinion. Funny how you call me a college/high school kid but you rate game of thrones so much higher than a perfectly written show like breaking bad.

Yea sure it is unmatched

How are you so sure about this claim..

 

[shaz619]

The Joker Movie: Warner Bros. Wants Class, Cachet and Maybe Leonardo DiCaprio


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...er-movie-warner-bros-wants-actor-role-1034392

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By bringing on Martin Scorsese as a producer, the studio hopes to use the legendary filmmaker to lure his longtime collaborator into the world of comic book franchises.
When news broke last week that Warner Bros. is developing a movie detailing the origin story of Batman nemesis The Joker, many were surprised to see the name Martin Scorsese listed among the producers.

After all, why would the 74-year-old auteur filmmaker behind everything from Taxi Driver to Silence be interested in making the kind of studio franchise fare he has avoided throughout his career? And why would Warners executives, as brand managers of the extended DC Comics cinematic universe, want a legendarily controlling and free-spending talent involved in its marquee property?

The answer involves a plan worthy of The Joker himself. Sources say Warners will make an ambitious attempt to use Scorsese to bring Leonardo DiCaprio into the world of comic-book movies. Certainly, Scorsese’s involvement in The Joker film, which The Hangover filmmaker Todd Phillips would direct, could elevate and diversify the studio's contributions to the genre, creating the potential to make awards-worthy films such as Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy.

There's no offer for DiCaprio, and sources say Scorsese's deal to produce isn't even done yet. The chances of landing DiCaprio could be slim to none. But the attempt in itself sends a signal to talent that Warners wants to hire serious filmmakers to make serious films.

This plan was not met with applause in all quarters: Insiders say Jared Leto, the actor who portrayed the Clown Prince of Crime in last summer's Suicide Squad and is slated to reprise the character not just for a sequel but for another spinoff movie (with DC villainess Harley Quinn), was caught off guard by the plans. Leto is said to have made his displeasure with the notion of multiple Jokers known to his CAA agents, and rival agency WME has been using the concern to court him.

Warner Bros. launched its DC Extended Universe to compete with Marvel Studios with 2013’s Man of Steel. The movies have included the poorly reviewed Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad, as well as this summer’s well-received Wonder Woman, which was seen as finally correcting a wobbly series. The movies have a through-line not just of stories but also actors, making them part of a superhero universe.

Now, however, Warners wants to branch off with stand-alone movies that are unconnected to that version of the DC world. The new movies will have non-traditional takes on the heroes and villains of DC, and hopefully, attract actors and filmmakers who don’t typically toil in the comic-book movie world. War for the Planet of the Apes director Matt Reeves is developing a Batman stand-alone that, according to sources, will not star Ben Affleck, who plays the caped crusader in the DC Universe movies (Warners and Affleck have denied he is being replaced). The plan is to launch a separate label for these projects to distinguish them from the rest of the DC films. (Warners executives are acutely aware of the risks of audience confusion.)

For Joker, which could be the initial entry for the label, sources say the studio and Phillips would want DiCaprio or another A-lister to play the character as a gritty crime boss in a Scorsese-esque Gotham underworld.

DiCaprio, 42, has become the most in-demand actor in Hollywood despite refusing to star in traditional franchise pictures. Instead, he has limited his collaborators to A-list directors of (generally) original screenplays, including James Cameron (Titanic), Christopher Nolan (Inception) and Alejandro G. Inarritu (The Revenant, for which he won his Oscar).

But his most frequent collaborator has been Scorsese. The duo has made five successful films together over two decades: The Aviator, Gangs of New York, The Departed, Shutter Island and The Wolf of Wall Street.

One conduit between Phillips and Scorsese/DiCaprio is actor Jonah Hill, who starred in Phillips’ War Dogs but worked with DiCaprio in Scorsese’s Wolf of Wall Street.

Reps for Warner Bros, DiCaprio, Leto and Scorsese declined to comment.

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[shaz619]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] What do you guys think ? and who'd you cast as The Joker? My pick is Di Caprio

The Joker Movie: Warner Bros. Wants Class, Cachet and Maybe Leonardo DiCaprio


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...er-movie-warner-bros-wants-actor-role-1034392

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By bringing on Martin Scorsese as a producer, the studio hopes to use the legendary filmmaker to lure his longtime collaborator into the world of comic book franchises.
When news broke last week that Warner Bros. is developing a movie detailing the origin story of Batman nemesis The Joker, many were surprised to see the name Martin Scorsese listed among the producers.

After all, why would the 74-year-old auteur filmmaker behind everything from Taxi Driver to Silence be interested in making the kind of studio franchise fare he has avoided throughout his career? And why would Warners executives, as brand managers of the extended DC Comics cinematic universe, want a legendarily controlling and free-spending talent involved in its marquee property?

The answer involves a plan worthy of The Joker himself. Sources say Warners will make an ambitious attempt to use Scorsese to bring Leonardo DiCaprio into the world of comic-book movies. Certainly, Scorsese’s involvement in The Joker film, which The Hangover filmmaker Todd Phillips would direct, could elevate and diversify the studio's contributions to the genre, creating the potential to make awards-worthy films such as Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy.

There's no offer for DiCaprio, and sources say Scorsese's deal to produce isn't even done yet. The chances of landing DiCaprio could be slim to none. But the attempt in itself sends a signal to talent that Warners wants to hire serious filmmakers to make serious films.

This plan was not met with applause in all quarters: Insiders say Jared Leto, the actor who portrayed the Clown Prince of Crime in last summer's Suicide Squad and is slated to reprise the character not just for a sequel but for another spinoff movie (with DC villainess Harley Quinn), was caught off guard by the plans. Leto is said to have made his displeasure with the notion of multiple Jokers known to his CAA agents, and rival agency WME has been using the concern to court him.

Warner Bros. launched its DC Extended Universe to compete with Marvel Studios with 2013’s Man of Steel. The movies have included the poorly reviewed Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad, as well as this summer’s well-received Wonder Woman, which was seen as finally correcting a wobbly series. The movies have a through-line not just of stories but also actors, making them part of a superhero universe.

Now, however, Warners wants to branch off with stand-alone movies that are unconnected to that version of the DC world. The new movies will have non-traditional takes on the heroes and villains of DC, and hopefully, attract actors and filmmakers who don’t typically toil in the comic-book movie world. War for the Planet of the Apes director Matt Reeves is developing a Batman stand-alone that, according to sources, will not star Ben Affleck, who plays the caped crusader in the DC Universe movies (Warners and Affleck have denied he is being replaced). The plan is to launch a separate label for these projects to distinguish them from the rest of the DC films. (Warners executives are acutely aware of the risks of audience confusion.)

For Joker, which could be the initial entry for the label, sources say the studio and Phillips would want DiCaprio or another A-lister to play the character as a gritty crime boss in a Scorsese-esque Gotham underworld.

DiCaprio, 42, has become the most in-demand actor in Hollywood despite refusing to star in traditional franchise pictures. Instead, he has limited his collaborators to A-list directors of (generally) original screenplays, including James Cameron (Titanic), Christopher Nolan (Inception) and Alejandro G. Inarritu (The Revenant, for which he won his Oscar).

But his most frequent collaborator has been Scorsese. The duo has made five successful films together over two decades: The Aviator, Gangs of New York, The Departed, Shutter Island and The Wolf of Wall Street.

One conduit between Phillips and Scorsese/DiCaprio is actor Jonah Hill, who starred in Phillips’ War Dogs but worked with DiCaprio in Scorsese’s Wolf of Wall Street.

Reps for Warner Bros, DiCaprio, Leto and Scorsese declined to comment.

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Looks like there's a chance that we would get my pick for the Joker in the movie, [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] do you think Di Caprio will accept the role ?

 

[shaz619]

Also, this is a great initiative from Warner Bros / DC , they should forget about casual fans and focus on making a quality movie first and foremost whilst retaining the authenticity of the distinct themes in the comic books. As we've seen with the lack of critical acclaim from BvS an Suicide Squad, they should drop trying to be a poor mans MCU.

The DC universe has some compelling characters with great potential for quality / gritty story telling which should be their major selling point rather then incoherence and nonsensical action driven plots. They should drop the planned Leto's Joker / Harley Quin movie as well and focus on this project more, Scorcee and Di Caprio will never cheat their fans and always give you bang for your buck.

 

[saadibaba]

"The Killing Joke" is regarded as the best origin story comic/graphic novel of the Batman/Joker series so if anyone wants to make a Joker origin movie, it has to be an adaptation of that story. Having said that, "The Killing Joke" is beyond dark and almost verging on sick and nauseating imo. First the senseless murder of the police commissioner's daughter and than his humiliating ride through the run down amusement park watching giant pictures of his naked murdered daughter...in any case, it would be interesting to see if they make any variations or stay true to the novel.

As for Scorsese being involved in this project as a producer, I am honestly not sure what impact he will have on the actual movie. Film is a director's medium and if he was directing the movie than it would have been an obvious influence but like some articles have eluded to, the main reason he is being brought in is to lure in DiCaprio in playing the Joker.

I would rather have Joaquin Phoenix or Jake Gyllenhaal play the Joker, these two representing the best young acting talent currently imo. DiCaprio would not be bad as well but I'm not sure if he will be able hide his own celebrity inside the character. After Heath Ledger's brilliant take in TDK, it will be very difficult to pull off a great and convincing performance for any actor.

 

[saadibaba]

Reading the debate above by [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138493]Chrish[/MENTION], I must confess that I am big movie buff as well and am quite exposed to the foreign cinema including the French new wave, Korean flicks, Japanese and Iranian cinema along with the great American and British directors that have been mentioned above. To me the greatness of any director is subjective and based on taste. Having said that, below is my take on some of great movies and directors I have had the pleasure to watch.

Personally I relate more to Michelangelo Antonioni and his trilogy of modernity and its discontents, L'Avventura, La Notte and L'Eclisse which to me represent the best of cinema. L'Avventura in particular is pure art and fascinates me with its study of hollowness and emptiness in the age of excess and privilege.

I found Fellini over rated. 8 1/2 and LaDolce Vita are vibrant and cinematically beautiful but long and tiring with conflicting themes, imo.

Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai" is over rated imo as well. His better work can be found in Rashomon. That movie's exploration of multiple realities rather than an exposition of a particular truth is truly ground breaking.

As for the French new wave, Godard's Breathless and Truffaut's 400 blows are seminal works and I admire them both for their originality of camera work and plot but I thought Bresson's Pickpocket is the most influential movie of all. He was a master "filmmaker" and I emphasize filmmaker here as his method was telling the story purely through visuals, relying less on the dialogue or even the acting skills. He famously called his actors "models", training them to remove all traces of theatricality and individuality.

Enough has been said about the great American and British directors like Hitchcock, Scorsese, Kubrick, Spielberg, etc. I would just add that all of them have weaknesses and none are perfect.

I find Psycho groundbreaking and a true masterpiece, a movie which changed everything in terms of editing and camera angles.

2001 Space Odyssey is the most influential and awe inspiring movie of my life. I can watch it literally every single day of my life and still find new themes and patterns in that movie.

Schindler's list is heartbreaking yet emotionally exhausting but undoubtedly Spielberg's best work. In terms of pure emotionally raw power, I don't think any movie comes even close to it.

In the current crop, I find Fincher and Nolan as being among the best. Tarantino is a great pulp movie maker and adapter of B grade influences into A grade masterpieces.

I rate TDK and Interstellar as Nolan's best work. Fincher's best was Zodiac and Seven.

Someone to watch for is the director of Ex Machina Alex Garland. He is making Annhilation, an adaptation of the hugely popular scifi novel by Jeff Vandermeer. He also wrote the screenplay for 28 days later and the book The Beach which got made into the movie starring DiCaprio. Can't believe I managed to bring DiCaprio back into the conversation in a post totally irrelevant to this thread.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Looks like there's a chance that we would get my pick for the Joker in the movie, [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] do you think Di Caprio will accept the role ?

I don't think he will turn down working with Scorsese. Jordan Belfort and Calvin Candie were probably more difficult roles to accept anyway

 

[dauntless]

Hate this batman and his movies he is not even a real superhero he even doesn't have any real superpower.HATE HIM SO MUCH!!

 

[shaz619]

I don't think he will turn down working with Scorsese. Jordan Belfort and Calvin Candie were probably more difficult roles to accept anyway

Hope so as he's me favourite actor, think he has the potential to put in an even better performance then Ledger.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Its not a Scorsese movie though, is it? I am pretty sure Decaprio isn't going to do this- even if its just one movie (forget it, if the idea is to continue the character). He is doing "The Devil in White City" with Scorsese as it is, which I think will be his next project after The Irishman.

 

[Rana]

I agree with most posters here. The actor hast to be top of the range to fit the Joker bill. Someone of Di caprio and Depp's calibre. But I think it will miss the point in portraying the 'origins' if they are giving the role to a much older guy. Either way, they must hire a top draw cast to keep the Scorsese brand alive