Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan both averaging less than 15 Down Under

[Junaids]

Pakistan can't say that they were not warned what would happen if they took two batsmen in their forties to play the five Tests in Australia and New Zealand.

And here are the facts on the ground.

YOUNIS KHAN
4 Tests
7 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 1 x 50,
102 runs @ 14.57

MISBAH-UL-HAQ
3 Tests
5 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 0 x 50
64 runs @ 12.80

These would be career-ending numbers for anyone else.

And they should be career-ending for Inzamam and the selectors too.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Give them a flat track with UAE bounce and they'd spring right back to form.

 

[Madplayer]

Give them a flat track with UAE bounce and they'd spring right back to form.

They are old. *period*

In Australia your reflexes and fitness has to be at peak. More than it is in England or south africa because aussies are ruthless in their own conditions.

 

[Robinson Shrestha]

Younis toh as we know no matter how many innings more it will take to make 10000 runs he won't retire..But Misbah shud have retired after England tour on a high with his head held high..maintaining his legacy..That way I think a new captain wud have got chance to captain the team against WI before touring down under with some experience behind him..But but but it is a Pakistan team so you won't expect such logical things..

 

[Chief Destroyer]

They are old. *period*

In Australia your reflexes and fitness has to be at peak. More than it is in England or south africa because aussies are ruthless in their own conditions.

Nope. Their techniques are being exposed here more so than their reflexes. They haven't really been rushed just can't cope with the conditions.

 

[moghul]

They should have gone 2-3 years ago or earlier. Due to them Pakistan team is not only losing but cricket has been so defensive and boring.

 

[Buffet]

Pitch is a betler so they can get some runs to up the average in second inning here.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Pitch is a betler so they can get some runs to up the average in second inning here.

It is far from a belter. There is enough seam movement there.

 

[161]

Both should have retired after the West Indies series.

These tours were a disaster waiting to happen for these 40+ year olds.

 

[LordJames]

Nope. Their techniques are being exposed here more so than their reflexes. They haven't really been rushed just can't cope with the conditions.

I would have to agree because there hasn't been extravagant bounce or anything like that here at all so this isn't about reflexes.

Misbah looks mentally shot

 

[Buffet]

It is far from a belter. There is enough seam movement there.

Very little to trouble if batsmen are playing well. You are not going to get a belter like India here.

 

[moghul]

Younis should continue to play for Pakistan until he completes 10 K runs. Doesn;t matter if it takes 10 tests or 20. Individual landmarks are more important than teams victory or ranking.

 

[adil_909]

Younis toh as we know no matter how many innings more it will take to make 10000 runs he won't retire..But Misbah shud have retired after England tour on a high with his head held high..maintaining his legacy..That way I think a new captain wud have got chance to captain the team against WI before touring down under with some experience behind him..But but but it is a Pakistan team so you won't expect such logical things..����

if that happened, in 6 months everybody would be crying for misbah to come back.

 

[hass]

Very disappointing but as with most lows in Pakistan cricket, not really too surprising. I think Misbah is struggling considerably more of the two. No movement on the crease, just jabbing at the quicks. Younis was bowled by a gorgeously clever delivery. Misbah however looks a shell of himself and is really letting the team down in the tour down under. I love and admire Misbah so much so it's painful to see him flustering away so uninspiringly.

 

[Junaids]

Younis toh as we know no matter how many innings more it will take to make 10000 runs he won't retire..But Misbah shud have retired after England tour on a high with his head held high..maintaining his legacy..That way I think a new captain wud have got chance to captain the team against WI before touring down under with some experience behind him..But but but it is a Pakistan team so you won't expect such logical things..����

How on earth can he reach 10,000 Test runs unless he scores 256 in the second innings.

Younis Khan is no longer selectable.

It should be a sacking offence for the selectors to pick him in the squad, but it should also be a sacking offence for Misbah and Mickey to pick him again.

It is scandalous that the team is being made to lose against the worst Australia team for 38 years simply so that an old man can reach a milestone.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Very little to trouble if batsmen are playing well. You are not going to get a belter like India here.

It's a good cricket pitch. Pitch the ball on a nagging length with good presentation of the seam and you will get rewarded. There's enough grass cover and the overcast has kept retained the early moisture. There's also enough bounce to play your shots. Overall, a quality cricket pitch offering both sides something but like any pitch will flatten out later.

Belters are pitches you see in ODIs or the pitches India was served. This isn't one.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

How on earth can he reach 10,000 Test runs unless he scores 256 in the second innings.

Younis Khan is no longer selectable.

It should be a sacking offence for the selectors to pick him in the squad, but it should also be a sacking offence for Misbah and Mickey to pick him again.

It is scandalous that the team is being made to lose against the worst Australia team for 38 years simply so that an old man can reach a milestone.

Younis at least has a 65 to his credit.

What does Misbah have to his credit that Misbah and Arthur should sit together?

If anything Mickey Arthur should sit with Misbah for an honest and candid discussion in which the latter can announce he will retire after the Sydney test.

Younis should be given the 2nd innings of MCG test to show that he can perform, otherwise he has to make way.

 

[Buffet]

How on earth can he reach 10,000 Test runs unless he scores 256 in the second innings.

Younis Khan is no longer selectable.

It should be a sacking offence for the selectors to pick him in the squad, but it should also be a sacking offence for Misbah and Mickey to pick him again.

It is scandalous that the team is being made to lose against the worst Australia team for 38 years simply so that an old man can reach a milestone.

Why do you think that YK needs to score 256 in the second innings ? If he can score 70-80 runs in second go , he will surely play again in this series let alone playing in the next series. Not saying that he will score, but he doesn't need to score 256 runs in one go here.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This season CA have prepared sporting tracks for both the SA and PAK series. Do they not know that flat tracks are their strength?

 

[Buffet]

It's a good cricket pitch. Pitch the ball on a nagging length with good presentation of the seam and you will get rewarded. There's enough grass cover and the overcast has kept retained the early moisture. There's also enough bounce to play your shots. Overall, a quality cricket pitch offering both sides something but like any pitch will flatten out later.

Belters are pitches you see in ODIs or the pitches India was served. This isn't one.

Bounce is always true in Aus so no point talking about it. Movement is minimal and Pakistan is struggling due to extremely poor approach of simply trying to preserve wickets otherwise pitch is not even close to the kind of cricket Pakistan is playing right now.

 

[Junaids]

Why do you think that YK needs to score 256 in the second innings ? If he can score 70-80 runs in second go , he will surely play again in this series let alone playing in the next series. Not saying that he will score, but he doesn't need to score 256 runs in one go here.

Mickey Arthur let slip something very telling in the press conference in which he criticised the stamina of Sohail Khan and the speed of Imran Khan:

"And Younis Khan is just a complete professional, he really is. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a little doubt in my mind. But I had that doubt in England and I saw Younis come out and play exceptionally well, albeit against a different attack. So I'm backing him for the time being."

I think that Mickey Arthur realises that he is watching the last remnants of a once-great cricketer who has lost his war against advanced age.

There is just no future for Younis or Misbah. And they are blocking the progress of younger batsmen.

 

[Buffet]

Mickey Arthur let slip something very telling in the press conference in which he criticised the stamina of Sohail Khan and the speed of Imran Khan:

"And Younis Khan is just a complete professional, he really is. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a little doubt in my mind. But I had that doubt in England and I saw Younis come out and play exceptionally well, albeit against a different attack. So I'm backing him for the time being."

I think that Mickey Arthur realises that he is watching the last remnants of a once-great cricketer who has lost his war against advanced age.

There is just no future for Younis or Misbah. And they are blocking the progress of younger batsmen.

It hardly means that he has to score 256 runs in second innings here.

 

[moghul]

Younis and Misbah are kind of players who never scored much runs on lively tracks even when they were much younger. Don;t expect a lot from them now in their 40s.

 

[Pete Rose]

Starting with the disclaimer that I wanted both of them to retire in 2015. Younis is still looking in better nick than the England tour. This dismissal and the last one was more carelessness and not old age or bad form. Misbah though is looking like a goner.

 

[Madplayer]

Nope. Their techniques are being exposed here more so than their reflexes. They haven't really been rushed just can't cope with the conditions.

Are the conditions so bad for batting? Sorry i haven't been able to watch the match live.

 

[Junaids]

Starting with the disclaimer that I wanted both of them to retire in 2015. Younis is still looking in better nick than the England tour. This dismissal and the last one was more carelessness and not old age or bad form. Misbah though is looking like a goner.

Judging by his recent interview, it appears that Younis Khan is actually 43 years old.

Here is the full list of his Test innings outside Asia since 2012, excluding Zimbabwe:

0 and 5
111 and 14
33 and 11

33 and 25
1 and 28
31 and 4
218

2 and 1
2 and 11

0 and 65
21

So overall OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS outside Asia

Younis Khan
11 matches
20 innings
0 not outs
2 centuries
1 fifty
17 failures
AVERAGE 30.80

That's a lousy average over too long a period of time to be ignored.

It's over.

 

[Junaids]

Judging by his recent interview, it appears that Younis Khan is actually 43 years old.

So overall OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS outside Asia

Younis Khan
11 matches
20 innings
0 not outs
2 centuries
1 fifty
17 failures
AVERAGE 30.80

That's a lousy average over too long a period of time to be ignored.

It's over.

This is a much worse record than it looks: it is inflated by the two centuries on good pitches.

Put differently, how can any team avoid defeat when its Number 4 fails 85% of the time - 17 times in 20 innings?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Are the conditions so bad for batting? Sorry i haven't been able to watch the match live.

No, they just can't cope with the bounce. Airspeed is not troubling them, the bounce is.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Bounce is always true in Aus so no point talking about it. Movement is minimal and Pakistan is struggling due to extremely poor approach of simply trying to preserve wickets otherwise pitch is not even close to the kind of cricket Pakistan is playing right now.

The bounce is a factor because it is a weapon for bowlers which pitches from other countries don't provide. Minimal movement with decent bounce is all a quality bowlers needs to be effective. Pakistan is struggling due to many reasons but that's another discussion. The pitch is not a belter any means, neither is it a seamer. It's a good, balanced cricket pitch.

 

[Justcrazy]

The selectors must tell them this is there last series.

 

[Junaids]

No, they just can't cope with the bounce. Airspeed is not troubling them, the bounce is.

And it's not even exceptional bounce.

The problem is that after the ball hits the deck the batsman has a split second to adapt to the bounce. Mohammad Amir and Yasir Shah did it with ease on a bouncier track in Brisbane.

But there are three things this requires:

1) Young eyes
2) Quick (young) reflexes
3) Good technique.

Younis is struggling but Misbah is all at sea, because his technique was never as good anyway.

And worse, they can't do it against Nathan Lyon bowling at 83K or Jackson Bird bowling at 132K, let alone Hazlewood or Starc.

These are age-related problems. No old batsman has ever conquered the conditions in Australia, and plenty of veterans have tried - in my lifetime:

Colin Cowdrey
Tony Greig in WSC
Graham Gooch
Mike Gatting
Sachin Tendulkar

It is a fool's errand to try to conquer Australia in your forties. A really, really bad idea.

 

[Buffet]

The bounce is a factor because it is a weapon for bowlers which pitches from other countries don't provide. Minimal movement with decent bounce is all a quality bowlers needs to be effective. Pakistan is struggling due to many reasons but that's another discussion. The pitch is not a belter any means, neither is it a seamer. It's a good, balanced cricket pitch.

Well, by the time Misbah and YK have to bat again, it should be even easier to bat unless weather plays a spoilsport here. Not a belter in that sense, but a very good conditions to bat in Aus.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Well, by the time Misbah and YK have to bat again, it should be even easier to bat unless weather plays a spoilsport here. Not a belter in that sense, but a very good conditions to bat in Aus.

Australian conditions are always rewarding if you can adjust but equally rewarding to the bowlers because of the lively pitches. Vertical movement is just as effective as lateral movement if not more.

 

[Buffet]

Australian conditions are always rewarding if you can adjust but equally rewarding to the bowlers because of the lively pitches. Vertical movement is just as effective as lateral movement if not more.

Agree here, but adjustment is not that huge for some players and some have to adjust a lot. UAE to Aus pitches are huge adjustment for any batsman.

But honestly speaking, bounce has gone down in Aus pitches in the last 5 -10 years. Still more than other countries, but it's down.

 

[Anwar_194]

Misbah wanted to retire before the NZ series...I think they are done now..We need Sarfaraz to lead the side and bring 2 new middle orders.

 

[umerz]

The way they are playing Aus series could be their last or at max west indies tour.

 

[Junaids]

Here are this summer's batting averages in New Zealand and Australia:

1. Azhar Ali: 247 runs, average 41.17
2. Asad Shafiq: 199 runs, average 33.17
3. Babar Azam: 198 runs, average 33.00
4. Sami Aslam: 168 runs average 24.00
5. Younis Khan: 102 runs, average 14.57
6. Misbah: 64 runs, average 12.80

The records of Younis and Misbah are shameful. Shameful for the players but also shameful for the selectors.

And if Misbah and Mickey don't drop them after this Test, shameful for them too.

 

[161]

Misbah will retire at the end of the series.

YK will keep marching on a few more years.

 

[leatherface58]

Younis toh as we know no matter how many innings more it will take to make 10000 runs he won't retire..But Misbah shud have retired after England tour on a high with his head held high..maintaining his legacy..That way I think a new captain wud have got chance to captain the team against WI before touring down under with some experience behind him..But but but it is a Pakistan team so you won't expect such logical things..����

Are you kidding me? Head held high? If he had retired before these tours, the same internet geeks would have been calling him a chicken for ditching the tough tours.

Both of them are finished. Misbah at least stuck around for the tough tours. It was a lose-lose scenario.

 

[Asim2Good]

Here are this summer's batting averages in New Zealand and Australia:

1. Azhar Ali: 247 runs, average 41.17
2. Asad Shafiq: 199 runs, average 33.17
3. Babar Azam: 198 runs, average 33.00
4. Sami Aslam: 168 runs average 24.00
5. Younis Khan: 102 runs, average 14.57
6. Misbah: 64 runs, average 12.80

The records of Younis and Misbah are shameful. Shameful for the players but also shameful for the selectors.

And if Misbah and Mickey don't drop them after this Test, shameful for them too.

it would b really shameful if England selectors select these palyers again after their failur in india
Woakes : Bowling avg 81
Ali : Bowling avg of 64
Anderson : bowling avg of 53
Stokes : Bowling avg 44
cook: Pathetic avg of 22 against mighty Bangladesh

Anderson chicken out of test series vs Bangladesh, and chicken out against India in 2 test matches

 

[Mainul]

Younis toh as we know no matter how many innings more it will take to make 10000 runs he won't retire..But Misbah shud have retired after England tour on a high with his head held high..maintaining his legacy..That way I think a new captain wud have got chance to captain the team against WI before touring down under with some experience behind him..But but but it is a Pakistan team so you won't expect such logical things..

Exactly. Now either Misbah has to retire after two consecutive series loss with head slightly down or wait till another desert series in UAE to occur for a win and then retire.

 

[Mainul]

It is far from a belter. There is enough seam movement there.

Not a belter, not a bowlers paradise. India would have scored 450 plus i think on this wicket with Kohli making a big century.

 

[Junaids]

it would b really shameful if England selectors select these palyers again after their failur in india
Woakes : Bowling avg 81
Ali : Bowling avg of 64
Anderson : bowling avg of 53
Stokes : Bowling avg 44
cook: Pathetic avg of 22 against mighty Bangladesh

Anderson chicken out of test series vs Bangladesh, and chicken out against India in 2 test matches

You need quality spinners in India.

If Monty can stand up he should have been picked and KP too.

You need specialists for the conditions.

 

[Asim2Good]

You need quality spinners in India.

If Monty can stand up he should have been picked and KP too.

You need specialists for the conditions.

so it ll b shameful for ECB if these are selected again? nad it ll be shameful for captain if he let them play again for England.

 

[Junaids]

so it ll b shameful for ECB if these are selected again? nad it ll be shameful for captain if he let them play again for England.

I would have removed Cook as skipper after The Ashes three years ago. I would give it to Root initially, but I think Moeen might be next!

As for the selectors, they shouldn't pick such a squad in Asia again.

You need players with the skills for the conditions you are going to encounter. Hence my insistence that Asif and Butt should be here and my refusal to allow anyone to forget it.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

has to avg 85 for the remaining tour to reach 10K run mark.

 

[Junaids]

has to avg 85 for the remaining tour to reach 10K run mark.

It disgusts me that he is even considered selectable for Sydney.

What if he decides that he wants 11,000 runs? Do you carry him round for another 40 Test defeats to get there?

The selectors - which on tour means Misbah and Mickey - have a responsibility to pick the best team. There is probably a better argument for Mohammad Nawaz as a batsman in Australia than Misbah and Younis currently.

 

[Asim2Good]

I would have removed Cook as skipper after The Ashes three years ago. I would give it to Root initially, but I think Moeen might be next!

As for the selectors, they shouldn't pick such a squad in Asia again.

You need players with the skills for the conditions you are going to encounter. Hence my insistence that Asif and Butt should be here and my refusal to allow anyone to forget it.

As per ur logic, these players should't be selected again, what's use of investing in players who can't perform in tough conditions.
Next match/ series should b last one for Anderson, when tem needed him most in tough conditions, he chickened out and came back with bowling avg of 50, he is not young anymore, Eng team need young legs and bowlers who can bend their back when things are tough.

 

[Junaids]

As per ur logic, these players should't be selected again, what's use of investing in players who can't perform in tough conditions.
Next match/ series should b last one for Anderson, when tem needed him most in tough conditions, he chickened out and came back with bowling avg of 50, he is not young anymore, Eng team need young legs and bowlers who can bend their back when things are tough.

Everything should build towards The Ashes.

I'm hoping for an attack of:

Finn
Broad
Woakes
Stokes
Moeen Ali

 

[Asim2Good]

Everything should build towards The Ashes.

I'm hoping for an attack of:

Finn
Broad
Woakes
Stokes
Moeen Ali

Even after their failures in India for Woakes n Stokes? And to some extent Moeen too.
Why not drop them and select players who can perform in ALL conditions which u been rooting for.

 

[Ami]

Misbah will possibly go after this series...YK will retire after Windies tour, completing 10k, then again knowing Misbah he might carry on for windies tour as well.

He knows this is probably the best chance they have of beating windies away for the first time...so why not go on a high?

 

[Junaids]

Even after their failures in India for Woakes n Stokes? And to some extent Moeen too.
Why not drop them and select players who can perform in ALL conditions which u been rooting for.

I don't say players must be suited to all conditions.

I'd only pick Salman Butt in Australia and South Africa and Asif outside Asia.

Stokes and Woakes will be fine Down Under.

 

[Junaids]

Misbah will possibly go after this series...YK will retire after Windies tour, completing 10k, then again knowing Misbah he might carry on for windies tour as well.

He knows this is probably the best chance they have of beating windies away for the first time...so why not go on a high?

I don't think Younis or Misbah would cope with the Dukes Ball in the West Indies.

If they tour, Pakistan will probably lose.

 

[Asim2Good]

I don't say players must be suited to all conditions.

I'd only pick Salman Button in Australia and South Africa and Asia outside Asia.

Stokes and Woakes will be fine Down Under.

There u go, back to square one to Salman Butt, u ll select player who avg
14.50 in England
25.8 In India
That's ur best solution?
Stop trolling

Dont know how stokes n woakes ll b fine with avg of 44 n 81 in tough conditions. If they ll b fine, dont worry abt Misbah & Younis too, they ll be fine too.

 

[street cricketer]

Everything should build towards The Ashes.

I'm hoping for an attack of:

Finn
Broad
Woakes
Stokes
Moeen Ali

Jake Ball seems ahead of Finn atm in the pecking order and probably Wood too for his 90mph pace.

Finn has been blowing cold since the SA series.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

And we are surprised? Even greater legends of the country have struggled there.

 

[Asim2Good]

I don't say players must be suited to all conditions.

I'd only pick Salman Butt in Australia and South Africa and Asif outside Asia.

Stokes and Woakes will be fine Down Under.

Another troll solution, 34 yr old Asif for outside Asia tours, where we tour every 3-4 years time.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Don't give up hope.


Both looked Okayish.

 

[Pakprideuk]

Don't give up hope.


Both looked Okayish.

I would disagree. Both looked very ugly against a pretty old ball and I'm a fan of both of them. Where Azhar was middling the ball, picking up 1s and 2s easily in the 2nd session, Younus and Misbah were getting hit on the thigh, popping the ball off the glove and getting beaten outside off. I can only imagine what would have happened had we lost Sami and Babar earlier.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Azhar Ali's captaincy in Hamilton means misbah isn't going anywhere

Yk hasn't totally flopped

The future in babar Azam hasn't look too promising either

Inzimam ul haq also knows what it's like to fail in Australia and won't be reading too much into it based on this tour alone

 

[Bewal Express]

I disagree about Babar Azam, he has looked good but hasn't converted

 

[Junaids]

There u go, back to square one to Salman Butt, u ll select player who avg
14.50 in England
25.8 In India
That's ur best solution?
Stop trolling

Dont know how stokes n woakes ll b fine with avg of 44 n 81 in tough conditions. If they ll b fine, dont worry abt Misbah & Younis too, they ll be fine too.

Have you understood my recent posts?

I have clearly and repeatedly said that Salman Butt should have been recalled for the 12 Tests since July leading up to the series in Australia where his well-suited technique made him Pakistan's GOAT.

But I have also said that at 32 - let alone 42 - he is now too old to select, because at 29-32 you already have too many veterans in Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Wahab and Yasir Shah.

Australia has one (1) thirty year old, Dave Warner, and he is the oldest player.

I very clearly also say to pick Imam-ul-Haq ahead of Salman Butt, for that very reason.

I'd dearly love to replace Mohammad Asif too, but outside Asia neither Sohail Khan nor Imran Khan is even 30% of the bowler Asif is.

 

[Junaids]

Azhar Ali's captaincy in Hamilton means misbah isn't going anywhere

Yk hasn't totally flopped

The future in babar Azam hasn't look too promising either

Inzimam ul haq also knows what it's like to fail in Australia and won't be reading too much into it based on this tour alone

Pardon?

Younis is averaging 14.57.

Misbah is averaging 12.80.

Mickey is not going to agree to keep on non-performing veterans in their forties.

If Azhar is not able to be given the Test captaincy it just opens the door for Sarfraz Ahmed or possibly even Wahab Riaz.

Younis and Misbah have been exposed as totally and utterly finished. It's over.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Pardon?

Younis is averaging 14.57.

Misbah is averaging 12.80.

Mickey is not going to agree to keep on non-performing veterans in their forties.

If Azhar is not able to be given the Test captaincy it just opens the door for Sarfraz Ahmed or possibly even Wahab Riaz.

Younis and Misbah have been exposed as totally and utterly finished. It's over.

I still remember when Pakistan recorded their lowest test scores in Australia so for me this isn't the Armageddon you talk about

I'm not arguing against them both flopping but again this is an Australia tour and I didn't have any false hopes

 

[Orange Tree]

Misbah and Younis are going through a rough patch. That's it. It can happen to any batsman.

 

[wasimjunior]

Don't give up hope.


Both looked Okayish.

Thought that's the best younis has looked for a while. Was hitting jt out the middle.

Got a very good ball tbf

 

[Junaids]

Misbah and Younis are going through a rough patch. That's it. It can happen to any batsman.

Mmm.

This "rough patch" outside Asia had started by the 2012-13 tour of South Africa, and since then neither batsman has passed 50 more than once per series.

It's a really long "rough patch" - four years next month - that just happens to have started when they were 38 and 39 years old respectively.

And has never improved.

Why are you so sure that it's not age-related decline? And why can they hope to improve in their forties when Lara, Ponting, Tendulkar et al did not?

 

[Junaids]

Thought that's the best younis has looked for a while. Was hitting jt out the middle.

Got a very good ball tbf

Seriously?

Younis scored 21 from 59 balls, including 3 LBW appeals - one of them given by the umpire - and a scoreless period of 27 balls.

And then he was bowled by a club-quality bowler trying to drive a ball which was too short to drive.

He did hit a couple of nice drives.

But this Innings was what happens when you play Tests once you have lost your consistency.

 

[Bewal Express]

Statistically YK is up there with the ATG's but in reality he is decent bat who is very good bat on slow low wickets.

 

[Gilly]

Seriously?

Younis scored 21 from 59 balls, including 3 LBW appeals - one of them given by the umpire - and a scoreless period of 27 balls.

And then he was bowled by a club-quality bowler trying to drive a ball which was too short to drive.

He did hit a couple of nice drives.

But this Innings was what happens when you play Tests once you have lost your consistency.

Bird has 30 test wickets @ 25

You drool over Asif and Butt and then disrespect players that are actually doing it in Test cricket.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Bird has 30 test wickets @ 25

You drool over Asif and Butt and then disrespect players that are actually doing it in Test cricket.

Bird is decent.

Regarding Younis and Misbah, Pakistan clearly need the bowling to paper over cracks in the batting.

It has to happen in Melbourne.

 

[Junaids]

Bird has 30 test wickets @ 25

You drool over Asif and Butt and then disrespect players that are actually doing it in Test cricket.

He has been picked for his country just 7 times by the age of 30, with Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Henriques, Mennie and any number of ordinary players picked ahead of him.

And he has just 30 Test wickets by the age of 30. Asif had three times as many at a better average in spite of being based in Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Thought that's the best younis has looked for a while. Was hitting jt out the middle.

Got a very good ball tbf

I would have liked his defence to be more compact on the delivery which dismissed him but that was a good delivery. Previous deliveries swung away and this was jagged back from good length so it wasn't a soft dismissal.

 

[Gilly]

He has been picked for his country just 7 times by the age of 30, with Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Henriques, Mennie and any number of ordinary players picked ahead of him.

And he has just 30 Test wickets by the age of 30. Asif had three times as many at a better average in spite of being based in Pakistan.

Asif average is less than one run lower than Bird so that would make Asif a club bowler.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Seriously?

Younis scored 21 from 59 balls, including 3 LBW appeals - one of them given by the umpire - and a scoreless period of 27 balls.

And then he was bowled by a club-quality bowler trying to drive a ball which was too short to drive.

He did hit a couple of nice drives.

But this Innings was what happens when you play Tests once you have lost your consistency.

Jackson Bird has slowed down abit in last 12-18 months. I am not sure if its natural or if it is due to injuries but but by no means he can be termed as a club level bowler. Saying that would be unfair. He is a good medium fast bowler who has good control and lets the ball talk. His selection is totally justifiable.

 

[Pete Rose]

I would have liked his defence to be more compact on the delivery which dismissed him but that was a good delivery. Previous deliveries swung away and this was jagged back from good length so it wasn't a soft dismissal.

The issue with this innings was that he wasnt smart enough. Throughout the inning the aussie pacers would bowl wide to him and then bring it to try to trap him in front of the wicket. Whereas as Hazelwood did not show the quality to a bowl an incoming delivery on the seam (he was spearing it to middle and hoping for it to straighten) Bird, got one to go in from the same length. And since younis is not playing his whip through mid-wicket he is going to have trouble with the incoming delivery considering how far forward he gets. As I said, I think he is in much much better nick than where he was in England, but he should be disappointed with today's dismissal (a) because he missed out after doing all the hard work and (b) he knew what the aussies were trying to do, but he continued to play a little loose.

 

[Pakprideuk]

I would have liked his defence to be more compact on the delivery which dismissed him but that was a good delivery. Previous deliveries swung away and this was jagged back from good length so it wasn't a soft dismissal.

It was a soft dismissal. You're bat is a certain width-size. As a batsmen at that level, considering the length of the ball, if he got a bigger stride in and concentrated, he could have made that adjustment like we saw from Babar and Azhar. They got some slight indippers and away seamers too. Its about getting a stride in to negate it from that length and not just playing loosely with a gap between bat and pad.

 

[Pete Rose]

It was a soft dismissal. You're bat is a certain width-size. As a batsmen at that level, considering the length of the ball, if he got a bigger stride in and concentrated, he could have made that adjustment like we saw from Babar and Azhar. They got some slight indippers and away seamers too. Its about getting a stride in to negate it from that length and not just playing loosely with a gap between bat and pad.

yes agree. he knew they were tying to trap him in front of the stumps, ye continued to defend loosely. Its as if he though those two drives told him he can take liberties.

 

[Pakprideuk]

yes agree. he knew they were tying to trap him in front of the stumps, ye continued to defend loosely. Its as if he though those two drives told him he can take liberties.

Also, look where his bat ended up. He wasn't defending the ball, he was pushing at it and it was short of a full length so he needed to hold his shape and defend as opposed to pushing hard at it. Sometimes I feel Younis is extremely reckless.

 

[moghul]

Misbah and Younis are going through a rough patch. That's it. It can happen to any batsman.

If this happens to a 42 and 43 year old, and is happening for long time, will keep getting worst. There is only one way to resolve this,show them the door, unless team is their personal property.