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Disclaimer: This thread is not about cricket achievement or playing abilities, it is only about Moral values.

I have lately seen lots of criticism for Misbah even though he had left the cricket permanently for a while.

Be it team selection threads, or any victory celebrations; not to forget any interviews given by all the younger player we always drag Misbah and other senior players and gladly accuse them.

However I would like to highlight one thing here:

Yes that is correct, Misbah may be doing favors by selecting all these mediocre and over aged players like Younis Khan, Hafeez, Shoaib, Wahab, or even Azhar Ali (for recommending as ODI captain) but we should not forget he was just being cautious after the 2010 spot fixing saga. YES he had to make sure this incident would not repeated again for the betterment of Pakistan cricket or else we could see no teams playing with us not even on any neutral places or our so call home grounds in UAE.

We need to bear in mind lately only younger players are/were named for spot fixing chronicles be it 2010 England tour or 2017 PSL.

We should not forget we have never heard that Hafeez making his way to meet bookies or Younis Khan underperforming. Although I could agree, they were not living up to the expectations at least in limited overs.

Yes Misbah was a YES man but we should appreciate he has taken all this criticism with his head held up and not given any statements every now and then just like any other players appear before media or rant on social media.

Please get over with your obsession and let us focus on what is happening now in cricket and enjoy the moment.
 
Meh, you can call it being victimization or you can look at the facts. Under Misbah we regressed horribly in LOIs while we did very well in Test cricket. I give him a lot of credit for what he did in Test matches.

And your point about Hafeez or YK or any younger player meeting/not meeting bookies is not something in Misbah's control, neither should it be. At the end of the day any player meeting a bookie knowingly is his own personal decision. The only thing the captain and PCB can do is educate the players on such dangers.

Misbah lead us through a dark era of LOIs and considering 50 over games since the 90s is a format which Pakistan excelled in and which most Pakistanis enjoy the most, Misbah will always be heavily scrutinized for the team's performance in that format.
 
Thats part of being a celebrity , he is praised and he is criticized and we should leave it to this.
 
Meh, you can call it being victimization or you can look at the facts. Under Misbah we regressed horribly in LOIs while we did very well in Test cricket. I give him a lot of credit for what he did in Test matches.

And your point about Hafeez or YK or any younger player meeting/not meeting bookies is not something in Misbah's control, neither should it be. At the end of the day any player meeting a bookie knowingly is his own personal decision. The only thing the captain and PCB can do is educate the players on such dangers.

Misbah lead us through a dark era of LOIs and considering 50 over games since the 90s is a format which Pakistan excelled in and which most Pakistanis enjoy the most, Misbah will always be heavily scrutinized for the team's performance in that format.

I share your opinion regarding his test and ODI captaincy.However he led us to several famous series wins in ODI's as well.But that shouldn't effect our overall outlook on his captaincy.
 
Constructive criticism is fine but when people say "he didn't contribute anything to Pakistan cricket" and such, its clear those folks have an irrational personal dislike and are incapable of objective thinking.
 
I share your opinion regarding his test and ODI captaincy.However he led us to several famous series wins in ODI's as well.But that shouldn't effect our overall outlook on his captaincy.

If we share the opinion there is nothing wrong in saying it. Fact is some decisions you make impact the future generations. Misbah's captaincy in ODIs will have an impact in our style of cricket today, it will impact the selections we make so it is not something which people should say we should not discuss or that Misbah is being victimized.

The only 2 decent wins Misbah lead us to in ODIs were against South Africa and India. I give him credit for South African win to a certain extent but against India it was the Junaid Khan show. I overall think Misbah had the wrong intent in ODIs and was the wrong visionary for the format. His vision suited Test cricket which is why we were very competitive in Tests.
 
hardly anyone understands the point of this thread although I issued the disclaimer.

I too agree with Misbah's limitation in ODIs.

Yes we have won the CT17 and all credit goes to the players being part of the CT17 campaign but how come it leads to the conclusion we won because Misbah wasn't there....despite we always knew our team is unpredictable even during Misbah's reign.
 
Misbah himself selected garbage around him to make himself look good.

Why was Haris Sohail not picked in 2012, He had some love for Imran Farhat as well, Kami Akmal got numerous chances, A bowler from FSD I think Asad Ali was his selection totally who did nothing.
 
i dont see any dumb hateful threads started against misbah ul haq like it is against sarfraz ahmed even after winning champions trophy only ten days ago

even after making pakistan fall 6th in tests and 8th in ODIs dont see any hateful thread against misbah
 
i dont see any dumb hateful threads started against misbah ul haq like it is against sarfraz ahmed even after winning champions trophy only ten days ago

even after making pakistan fall 6th in tests and 8th in ODIs dont see any hateful thread against misbah

It wasn't any specific thread...It is just the discussion even for CT17 celebration, interviews with other players he is being dragged into it for no reason.
 
Misbah himself selected garbage around him to make himself look good.

Why was Haris Sohail not picked in 2012, He had some love for Imran Farhat as well, Kami Akmal got numerous chances, A bowler from FSD I think Asad Ali was his selection totally who did nothing.

You might be right he has done mistakes and he was rightly been criticized just like the way Sarfaraz was being criticized for selecting Wahab Riaz...and what would you call to that selection; Sarfaraz and Mickey Arthur love for Wahab Riaz!!

My argument is we are continuously dragging Misbah sometimes even for no reason.

We have won the Champions Trophy and we have a great team lets move on.
 
It really makes me worried about Pakistan and Pakistanis when we can't recognise a good man. How screwed up must society be for you not to know good qualities?

Integrity seems to be valued everywhere except Pakistan. Calmness and patience are seen as defensive and regressive over there. Misbah selected players with these qualities to overcome a period of dishonest and erratic behaviour. Yes, it made our ODI cricket suffer but the old school approach meant our test cricket was played as the puritans would desire it to be and that also brought us success.

Misbah, Younis and Azhar, Hafeez are good, honest men. We needed this more than cricketing talent post 2010
 
It is understandable and was always going to be inevitable that such discussions about Misbah would crop up in light of PCT's CT win.

Perhaps it is important to reflect on Misbah's and to some extent Azhar's tenure as leaders of the ODI outfit. As long as it is healthy and constructive criticism and not blind hate.

There will be fans who will now feel anger and resentment as we plummeted down the bottom of the rankings. As captain, Misbah will get some of the blame and due other accusations such as selecting his friends, not planning for the future etc.

I am grateful to Misbah for taking the reigns after 2010 and bringing about some respectability back to Pak cricket. However, I feel he should have gone from the ODI team or at least left the captaincy after the disastrous CT 13 campaign. It was clear at this point Misbah wasn't going to improve our fortunes and things got worse.

Therefore, hopefully lessons can be learned from the last 4-5 years. As a proud cricketing nation, emotions are going to be running high due to the mediocrity we have had to witness during the period.
 
As they say " appni izzat appne haath hoti hey" Misbah was given repeated chances of leaving with grace and respect and repeatedly he was very selfish and showed no respect and care for Pakistan cricket. He lost all what he gained by delaying his retirement by two years.
 
I have said this before. Some things transcend results, and Misbah deserves respect for how he lifted Pakistan cricket from one of its lowest points and restored pride and honour back in the team.

In terms of results, he was a successful test captain and deserves praise for that. In terms of ODIs, yes he had shortcomings and those merit discussion. However, too many posters have their own vendettas and so are driven by personal hatred.
 
No victimization. Everything about Misbah ul Haq is boring, depressing and mostly plagued with failures which everyone kept justifying under the cloak of respect, integrity, honour, discipline. Sarfaraz has just proven that it is possible to win and win big while having the same qualities at the same time and therefore justified questions must be asked as to why could Misbah ul Haq not do the same inspite of having 6-7 years of unpressurized leadership?
 
As they say " appni izzat appne haath hoti hey" Misbah was given repeated chances of leaving with grace and respect and repeatedly he was very selfish and showed no respect and care for Pakistan cricket. He lost all what he gained by delaying his retirement by two years.

No he didn't. You're just delusional to think that. He retired gracefully with praises left and right.
 
I hate the word "hater" used here repeatedly. The moment someone criticized someone's favorite cricketer, he is slammed with "hater". Please FGS, its just a discussion and people have difference of opinion. No one is hater or lover for that sake.
 
No he didn't. You're just delusional to think that. He retired gracefully with praises left and right.

Not really, it is a fact that it was Shahryar Khan and the PCB which ordered Misbah to retire after the WI tour. It is a fact that the NZ and Australia whitewashes occurred under his watch and he will be remembered for those defeats.
 
Constructive criticism is fine but when people say "he didn't contribute anything to Pakistan cricket" and such, its clear those folks have an irrational personal dislike and are incapable of objective thinking.

You have the same approach to Waqar Younis and his contribution to our Test team and his big part influence in drawling level in England as well though :yk2
 
Not really, it is a fact that it was Shahryar Khan and the PCB which ordered Misbah to retire after the WI tour. It is a fact that the NZ and Australia whitewashes occurred under his watch and he will be remembered for those defeats.

Remembered by you alone in that way you sad person.
 
During Misbah's time there was no PSL, there was no budding talent emerging. We won this Champions Trophy because of players like Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan, and Fakhar Zaman who are products of the PSL. Zaman has been around for a while but even he credits Brendon Mccullum for instilling the fearless batting approach within him while at the Qalandars.

Let's not kid ourselves there was no youngster to blood during his captaincy reign. The one's we tried were absolute garbage like Anwar Ali, Bilawal Bhatti etc. Misbah always had a safety first approach and relied on mediocre tried and tested players instead of risking further embarrassment with unproven, unreliable players that were around at the time.

Misbah was also not the one making team selections, it was the selection committee. Misbah never asked for more than one or two players in the team, he was a diplomat a yes-man of sorts. He also achieved quite a bit as odi captain winning us our 2nd ever Asia cup, an odi series in India, as well as making us the first Asian side to win an odi series in South Africa.

We won these series because of our bowlers Ajmal, Hafeez, Gul, Junaid, and Irfan. When they got banned and injured we couldn't compete. No country was inviting us for a series outside of Asia after 2010, we had absolutely no exposure to environments like the 2013 Champions Trophy and got thrashed. But this was more to do with our terrible batting. Misbah played the 3 'talented' youngsters repeatedly Jamshed, Shehzad, and Akmal but they did absolutely nothing. Even now the batting stocks are very limited that's why Hafeez and Malik are still around.

Misbah was a defensive captain who always had a safety first approach but he did pretty well in the circumstances. Sarfaraz is a breath of fresh air but he's been given the PSL-hardened resources to do so, and he inherited a team which has been baptised by fire in the past year on tours to England and Australia. Misbah was never given a bilateral series in these countries just mega-events and then he and his team were expected to perform miracles. Ridiculous.
 
No victimization. Everything about Misbah ul Haq is boring, depressing and mostly plagued with failures which everyone kept justifying under the cloak of respect, integrity, honour, discipline. Sarfaraz has just proven that it is possible to win and win big while having the same qualities at the same time and therefore justified questions must be asked as to why could Misbah ul Haq not do the same inspite of having 6-7 years of unpressurized leadership?

It is understandable, but almost all fan favorites played under his reign which are playing in the team right now, its just all of them did perform in different times and there wasn't an alignment of talents (and stars) under him like they did under Sarfraz..

I mean if you just look at the final alone, you have Fakhar Hafeez Azhar Ali Babar Azam performing..

While in the bowling department Amir, Hasan and Shadab took the cake...

When was the last time you saw a Pak team that had so many performers, and played a near perfect cricketing match? (besides the semi final)
 
Not really, it is a fact that it was Shahryar Khan and the PCB which ordered Misbah to retire after the WI tour. It is a fact that the NZ and Australia whitewashes occurred under his watch and he will be remembered for those defeats.

People don't remember Wasim, Inzi or Yousuf for the whitewashes down under, they won't remember Misbah for it either. Getting thrashed in Australia has become the norm for Pakistani captains, unfortunately.
 
I have not seen our team play like this in a long long time... like maybe never since the 2009 t20 worldcup final
 
Not really, it is a fact that it was Shahryar Khan and the PCB which ordered Misbah to retire after the WI tour. It is a fact that the NZ and Australia whitewashes occurred under his watch and he will be remembered for those defeats.

In a way you are wrong too.

Would you remember Kohli despite his continuous failures overseas or just overshadow his failures for his performances mainly in Asia only.

Loosing and winning is part of game.

You don't want to remember Misbah for his success in South Africa or even the first and only success of Pakistan against WI but surely you want to remember his failures this shows you keeping personal grudges with him.
 
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Couldn't agree more. We need to realize what a great service he's done the nation.
 
Not really, it is a fact that it was Shahryar Khan and the PCB which ordered Misbah to retire after the WI tour. It is a fact that the NZ and Australia whitewashes occurred under his watch and he will be remembered for those defeats.

So what you're saying is that he'll be remembered for those defeats only and those memorable wins under his tenure don't count at all?
 
I have only one question for Misbah defenders:



Can you with hand on heart say with 100% certainty that Misbah would have debuted not one, not two but THREE debutantes in a major international tournament?
 
I have only one question for Misbah defenders:



Can you with hand on heart say with 100% certainty that Misbah would have debuted not one, not two but THREE debutantes in a major international tournament?

No, but that question doesn't put into context the circumstances in which Misbah was appointed captain. Not anyone or everyone could be trusted to rebuild a broken image of Pakistani cricket.

I think he should have blooded some youth into the side within the last few years and for that he is guilty.

Can you not recognise that Pakistan was a shambles when he took over? Some pundits and cricketers were calling for banning the team from playing at all.

Give the man his due, he may have even saved Pakistan cricket
 
No, but that question doesn't put into context the circumstances in which Misbah was appointed captain. Not anyone or everyone could be trusted to rebuild a broken image of Pakistani cricket.

I think he should have blooded some youth into the side within the last few years and for that he is guilty.

Can you not recognise that Pakistan was a shambles when he took over? Some pundits and cricketers were calling for banning the team from playing at all.

Give the man his due, he may have even saved Pakistan cricket

Broken image, broken image, broken image. :danish


He captained unquestioned for seven years in test matches and five years in ODIs. The broken freaking image was fixed within the first year or two.
 
Broken image, broken image, broken image. :danish


He captained unquestioned for seven years in test matches and five years in ODIs. The broken freaking image was fixed within the first year or two.
He was only unsuccessful in the last year of his test captaincy(bar 2013 loss to Zimbos and SA whitewash)

Never agreed with him being ODI captain.
 
Did a lot of great things in tests, backed the right guys like Azhar Ali and was great with the bat. Deserved captain in tests.

ODIs different matter. Scored better against good opposition and tougher conditions than the others but was a bit slow. Tactically wasn't very good in LOI, but arguably in LOI you have to make a lot more quick decisions and adapt to the game better.

I don't necessarily blame Misbah, Selectors and PCB pick the captain, and should have replaced him. Yes good wins in India and SA, but overall our record was poor, loss after loss. We can say we had a bad team sure, but we weren't improving (in fact we were getting worse). Hence it really wouldn't hurt to change captains. Sometimes players play better under a different captain.

We saw in the small time Hafeez was captain our t20 team was starting to look more consistent. Not saying he could have done the same in ODIs, but someone else could. Heck Misbah might have started to bat a bit quicker to free from the pressure of captaincy. I blame more the PCB and management who picks the captain, they should have been bold enough to change captaincy. Think they were just scared to do this because of all the fixing scandals, better to stick with the guy who brought calm to the team after Butt was caught.

Only thing I blame Misbah for was sticking down the order. He played a lot at five which was too low, he needed to be up the order so he could take control of the game, bring stability before we were already three wickets down. He eventually moved up to four, but really should have been batting three.
 
hardly anyone understands the point of this thread although I issued the disclaimer.

I too agree with Misbah's limitation in ODIs.

Yes we have won the CT17 and all credit goes to the players being part of the CT17 campaign but how come it leads to the conclusion we won because Misbah wasn't there....despite we always knew our team is unpredictable even during Misbah's reign.

By this logic we should not criticize or discuss anything on this forum. What is immoral in talking about Misbah? People here don't hold back on people like Aamir or even Sarfraz after they have just helped to win the CT. This is the whole point of the forum. People with different opinions express themselves and discuss them with others.
 
Misbah's contribution to PAK cricket is beyond on field results only. On field, he did take to No. 1 Test ranks & did won an ODI Series in SAF, as first Asian Captain - not to mention first Test series win in WI & ODI Series win in IND & WI. Also, won the Asia Cup after probably 12 years gap.

But, his real contribution was that being a fantastic ambassador for PAK Cricket. In history of PAK cricket, those 6 years were probably the most decent period in terms of off field issues and for that, Misbah is probably respected in cricket world equally with Imran & Kardar. His speech, his behavior, his manners & his press addressing actually tells that - education helps. PAK players, PCB & it's office bearers took PAK crickets' image to such a level that it was almost an unofficial status co for the players from elite players society. After that 2010 incidents, I felt most PAK players were almost forced to a subdued, low profile & low confidence mood - they didn't even sledged on field & body language was always defensive.

On field, he was a limited player, more limited Captain lacking vision, but he did maximize whatever opportunity he had - it's not his fault that, in 6 years, PCB could manage one tour to AUS, ENG & NZ when he was at his last mile. As a Captain, I found him to be a fantastic Man-manager, a Captain who was very good house keeper. These type of Captains do well when they have a very good & settled team. Excluding individual capability & the respective teams that they represented, the 2 Captains I find most similarity with Misbah are Clive Lloyd & Steve Waugh - both were not the best tacticians, but wonderful personality & man manager (and ATG cricketer); they could unite several ATGs & hyper personalities in their teams to a common goal. Different caliber, different level, different team, but Misbah did similar with his PAK side - he made them almost unbeatable in UAE - a very stubborn & united group, who were extremely tough to break on their favorable condition.

I find a reason for Misbah's ODI batting strategy. Between 2003 to 2009, Misbah was an ODI player with an SR of almost 90 (which to me is over 100 in recent context), but at the same time, he experienced few unbelievable collapses by PAK team, which might have influenced his tactics, once he became Captain - but indeed he over killed the idea. Besides, PAK hardly played ODI outside UAE, BD & SRL, where his 2 darters & Afridi almost forced him to play that boring, singleton cricket. Never the less, he was never a great ODI player & his Captaincy wasn't suited for LO cricket, which demands proactive & instant tactical nuances. It was PCB's fault that, they didn't prepare a successor for LO leadership & caught off guard after 2015 WC. Once he got injured against NZ/AUS (UAE), his replacement (Afridi), actually proved that PCB's alternative was like frying oil from boiled water. Besides, it's a fact that out of his 4 years as ODI Captain, he had 2 years Dav as his Coach - a period when PAK won Asia Cup, Series in IND, WI & SAF; took another Series in SAF to 5th match & fought with full strength AUS ball by ball till last overs of series decider match. Rest period, his coach was one of my boyhood hero - but, I won't remain respectful, if I am to write about his strategic nuances as head coach.

I have only 2 blemish against him - first, he unnecessarily dragged his career for too long (and used Chairman PCB's request as an excuse for that). Ideally, he should have retired after ENG series in UAE, if not there was absolutely no reason to continue after UK tour. And, his intention was exposed once he declined to retire after disastrous tours down under. He did perform with bat in WI - something I back him to do even in OCT-NOV SRL series, had he carried on; but Misbah should have retired when people should question why, rather why not.

My biggest frustration with Misbah was that, he almost shut down the doors for youngsters in PAK team. It's not that he didn't give chances to new faces (in that regard, he is several times better than Ul-Haq, who debuted 3 players in his 4 years powerful regime), but he had a bias towards over aged players. It must not be unknown to him regarding the faked age of PAK (Asian) players, yet he was fascinated by players officially over 30. And his nepotism towards players loyal to him didn't help a smooth transition over a generation. Lack of talent, may be, but it can't be that by some magic spell, suddenly 4/5 young players are performing for PAK team since Arthur joined.

I find my own explanation for both cases - the first one is his personality trait. Misbah being a very good house keeper, but with very little entrepreneurial spirit, was always comfortable with mature people, whom are comfortable to manage & guide. Leading/guiding a young player/team needs lots of motivational spirit, vision, patience & passion - it's almost like pulling them to the right path. I don't think, Misbah enjoyed this mentoring role. In corporate as well, we see 2 types of Managers - one is great in developing a team with young but talented team members - guiding, motivating them in to a better professional. The other type are the stable character - they love to work with own team, with seasoned professionals, they are often extremely successful Managers in a stable company. The basic difference between the two is the first one is passionate about being involved with their team; the other group are better at delegating task to right person & maintain status co. Misbah is from the 2nd type, who'll always be comfortable to instruct Zulfi Babar what he wants, rather than guide Zafar Gohar how to reach there. Lobbying for Azhar wasn't his nepotism, I do feel that, he genuinely believed it'll be good for PAK team, because Azhar was in similar mold. Misbah never could come out of his single dimensional thought process, which was built on stability, continuity & team bondage.

The 2nd one is an outcome of bigger mess by PCB. In last 25 years (since Khan), average tenure of PAK Captain is around 6 months I believe, or may be a bit higher because Misbah spoiled the stats. Since Khan, if I can recall correctly, PCB has appointed 20 regular/make shift Captains in 25 years - including 10 years between Inzi & Misbah. If I count tenures (like Wasim 4 times, Rambo 2, Sohail 3, Moin 2, WY 2....), even 6 months is a stress. For a comparison - since WW1, in 100 years, I can count AUS Captains in one hand, including make shifts & Packer rejects. What I felt, Misbah ring-fenced himself with players who won't back-stab him. There could be other issues, but Misbah's team can never be accused of insubordination - they knew who was boss. This safety net approach actually was over killed a bit, hence a bit of erratic characters like MoYo, Akmal (s), Razzak, Jamshed .. were carefully filtered out, but PCB & their CS were equally responsible for that. It can't be only Misbah's fault that exactly 2 years before 2015 WC, in March 2013, PAK fielded an ODI XI with 9 players officially over 30, 10th one almost 30 (Wahab) + JK ... and there were 3 players over 35, again officially - icing on the cake was 4 spinners, 3 of them offie, in an ODI at J'burg - this one I must credit to dynamic & visionary Iqbal Qasim. .

Kardar was a great ambassador of PAK Cricket for the right reasons, so is Misbah & he has the numbers to back as well. Netting off all positives & negatives, I actually'll put him closer to the top end than the lower ebb - probably after Imran, Kardar, Mushtaq, Wasim & may be at per with Miandad & Intekhab. I don't think it's a bad idea if Misbah at some point is appointed at COO or even Chairman PCB.
 
Disclaimer: This thread is not about cricket achievement or playing abilities, it is only about Moral values.

I have lately seen lots of criticism for Misbah even though he had left the cricket permanently for a while.

Be it team selection threads, or any victory celebrations; not to forget any interviews given by all the younger player we always drag Misbah and other senior players and gladly accuse them.

However I would like to highlight one thing here:

Yes that is correct, Misbah may be doing favors by selecting all these mediocre and over aged players like Younis Khan, Hafeez, Shoaib, Wahab, or even Azhar Ali (for recommending as ODI captain) but we should not forget he was just being cautious after the 2010 spot fixing saga. YES he had to make sure this incident would not repeated again for the betterment of Pakistan cricket or else we could see no teams playing with us not even on any neutral places or our so call home grounds in UAE.

We need to bear in mind lately only younger players are/were named for spot fixing chronicles be it 2010 England tour or 2017 PSL.

We should not forget we have never heard that Hafeez making his way to meet bookies or Younis Khan underperforming. Although I could agree, they were not living up to the expectations at least in limited overs.

Yes Misbah was a YES man but we should appreciate he has taken all this criticism with his head held up and not given any statements every now and then just like any other players appear before media or rant on social media.

Please get over with your obsession and let us focus on what is happening now in cricket and enjoy the moment.

A lot of people take pleasure by sniping and taking potshots at misbah. Nauman niaz particularly delighted himself by blaming muisbah for everything during the CT transmission. At one point brian lara said that i am not going to say anytthing against misbah, he had his contribution. Misbah had a plan, before you start winning you need to stop losing. Without misbah, the stage would not have been set for people like sarfraz. Sarfraz may end up winning more than any other captain for pakistan cricket, but history will always judge misbah and mushtaq muhammad to be the two best captains pakistan had.
 
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I have only one question for Misbah defenders:



Can you with hand on heart say with 100% certainty that Misbah would have debuted not one, not two but THREE debutantes in a major international tournament?

I would like to answer you by telling you to change the name in your singnature from Inzi to sarfaraz because according to your logic selection is the job of captain.
 
I would like to answer you by telling you to change the name in your singnature from Inzi to sarfaraz because according to your logic selection is the job of captain.

Oh bhai what world you are living in? The captain and coach both sit in on the selector's meeting and they have full say in selections. Obviously the selectors have major responsibility of bringing youngsters to the fore but Misbah and Waqar were completely on board with playing oldies.

Heck Misbah the savior even dropped Pakistan's best batting talent Babar Azam after one game in PSL one. In PSL two Misbah the savior requested 40 year old Riffatullah Mohmand to join the IU side and played him over youngsters like Hussian Talat.


Misbah is the ABSOLUTE worst thing to ever happen to Pakistan cricket. Thankfully his era is over.
 
Oh bhai what world you are living in? The captain and coach both sit in on the selector's meeting and they have full say in selections. Obviously the selectors have major responsibility of bringing youngsters to the fore but Misbah and Waqar were completely on board with playing oldies.

Heck Misbah the savior even dropped Pakistan's best batting talent Babar Azam after one game in PSL one. In PSL two Misbah the savior requested 40 year old Riffatullah Mohmand to join the IU side and played him over youngsters like Hussian Talat.


Misbah is the ABSOLUTE worst thing to ever happen to Pakistan cricket. Thankfully his era is over.

That's my point His era is over so get over with him.
 
Yes, Misbah was a great leader IN TEST ONLY but he was not a good captain in ODI`s no matter how much OP wrote in his article but this is the fact. In test, Misbah had a lot of time but in ODI he was scared of loss this is also the fact. No doubt great leader nice human being but how could you defend him he never voiced on team selection everytime he played TTF like Kami, Afridi, Farhat, UA, Talha, Wahab and Ali Hasan? Stop making these useless threads and except the fact that he was useless in ODI`s. You called Younis and Azhar mediocre this shows your knowledge and not named the biggest culprit name Shahid Afridi as mediocre. Yes, Azhar was mediocre captain but he was never wasted ODI player. Misbah was great TEST player but he was MEDIOCRE ODI PLAYER AND CAPTAIN.
 
Azhar Ali is ten times the batsmen Misbah ul haq will ever be

Why didn't the UAE king turn up in Australia what happened then,Misbah fans please explain to me what happened in Australia,Even Younis turned up

Then Misbah in front of the English people started to try a fight in this country between Pakistani British people and English men,Well done Misbah but lords is not an army camp

Disrespected lords cricket ground with his shameful and meaningless,Failed celebration

Bumble showed him how it's done,in an interview

Felt disgusted at this celebration.

Misbah ruined timeless batters Umar,Nasir,Ahmed,Umar Amin these were classed as the future of Pakistan but Misbah has now destroyed them expectations
 
Disclaimer: This thread is not about cricket achievement or playing abilities, it is only about Moral values.

I have lately seen lots of criticism for Misbah even though he had left the cricket permanently for a while.

Be it team selection threads, or any victory celebrations; not to forget any interviews given by all the younger player we always drag Misbah and other senior players and gladly accuse them.

However I would like to highlight one thing here:

Yes that is correct, Misbah may be doing favors by selecting all these mediocre and over aged players like Younis Khan, Hafeez, Shoaib, Wahab, or even Azhar Ali (for recommending as ODI captain) but we should not forget he was just being cautious after the 2010 spot fixing saga. YES he had to make sure this incident would not repeated again for the betterment of Pakistan cricket or else we could see no teams playing with us not even on any neutral places or our so call home grounds in UAE.

We need to bear in mind lately only younger players are/were named for spot fixing chronicles be it 2010 England tour or 2017 PSL.

We should not forget we have never heard that Hafeez making his way to meet bookies or Younis Khan underperforming. Although I could agree, they were not living up to the expectations at least in limited overs.

Yes Misbah was a YES man but we should appreciate he has taken all this criticism with his head held up and not given any statements every now and then just like any other players appear before media or rant on social media.

Please get over with your obsession and let us focus on what is happening now in cricket and enjoy the moment.

So to stop any further spot fixing we had to select TTFand play out a surreal amount of dor balls and play negotiate cricket stuck in the early 2000's?
 
So to stop any further spot fixing we had to select TTFand play out a surreal amount of dor balls and play negotiate cricket stuck in the early 2000's?

And get to the number one Test rank - omg what did we do?
 
Given the numerous threads created for Afridi during his playing days and after retirement, not a big surprise that this thread was not opened for him.
 
People go OTT with there criticism of Misbah. Yes he's not everyone cup of tea but there is no need for comments like him being the worst thing to happen to Pakistan cricket. He gave Pakistan stability at a time where Pakistan were at there lowest point. He found a way to play in tests that suited UAE conditions and he deserves a lot of credit for getting us to number one .


In Odis he wasn't really suited to captaincy or batting in the modern game, PCB should have probably ditched him before he made the decision to retire.

Overall he did a good job for Pakistan and doesn't deserve the hate he gets from some on this forum.
 
Broken image, broken image, broken image. :danish


He captained unquestioned for seven years in test matches and five years in ODIs. The broken freaking image was fixed within the first year or two.

That broken image that he fixed should not be dismissed so readily. If we had another incident we'd be talking about whether Pakistan should be allowed to play right now. His reliability alone was worth more than what anyone else was offering at the time.

His ODI captaincy was defensive and frankly average. I don't know whether it's his fault or the PCB's for keeping him on. He was too wise to leave the team hanging like Afridi had and Sarfraz wasn't always around or ready to Captain then.

The important thing is he was never as bad as people are making out on this thread. He was fit for purpose, served his time graciously and can now hopefully contribute in some management role. His level-headedness is a rare quality in Pakistani cricket and I'm so we can make use of it in some capacity
 
People go OTT with there criticism of Misbah. Yes he's not everyone cup of tea but there is no need for comments like him being the worst thing to happen to Pakistan cricket. He gave Pakistan stability at a time where Pakistan were at there lowest point. He found a way to play in tests that suited UAE conditions and he deserves a lot of credit for getting us to number one .


In Odis he wasn't really suited to captaincy or batting in the modern game, PCB should have probably ditched him before he made the decision to retire.

Overall he did a good job for Pakistan and doesn't deserve the hate he gets from some on this forum.

Stability = excuse for being mediocre
 
No victimization. Everything about Misbah ul Haq is boring, depressing and mostly plagued with failures which everyone kept justifying under the cloak of respect, integrity, honour, discipline. Sarfaraz has just proven that it is possible to win and win big while having the same qualities at the same time and therefore justified questions must be asked as to why could Misbah ul Haq not do the same inspite of having 6-7 years of unpressurized leadership?

Yes, if Sarfraz was captain Pakistan would be No.1 in the world and would've won in Australia. Misbah is an Indian agent who has destroyed Pakistan cricket single handedly. He stopped all the youngsters from becoming world beaters, he scored selfish runs and he was boring.

If only cricket was that simple. Some people just need an excuse to sleep well at night...

Let's not forget the fact that Misbah's team was entirely different, he has been judged after 7 years of captaincy. Give Sarfraz time and let's hope for Pakistan cricket that he is successful as well.
 
Oh bhai what world you are living in? The captain and coach both sit in on the selector's meeting and they have full say in selections. Obviously the selectors have major responsibility of bringing youngsters to the fore but Misbah and Waqar were completely on board with playing oldies.

Heck Misbah the savior even dropped Pakistan's best batting talent Babar Azam after one game in PSL one. In PSL two Misbah the savior requested 40 year old Riffatullah Mohmand to join the IU side and played him over youngsters like Hussian Talat.


Misbah is the ABSOLUTE worst thing to ever happen to Pakistan cricket. Thankfully his era is over.


So who bought Shadab Khan in? Did he just fall off a tree??

Look, Misbah has made mistakes but let's not pretend he is the only reason we are mediocare. We've seen this golden era pretense many times before. Ask yourself this: if Misbah had refused to come in against India would you have criticised him or not. My only ask for posters who hate against Misbah is to keep the standards the same.

Make sweeping judgements only after Sarfraz had captained for 6-7 years. After the England tour, Misbah was getting praised left, right and centre. In sport things can change very quickly
 
And get to the number one Test rank - omg what did we do?

And then lead the team to its lowest level in tests ever. No captain in Asia has led his team to so many test defeats. Won some easy test in UAE but when faced with tough challenges, we all know what happened in New Zealand and Australia.
 
Was only a matter of time for MMHS to do a rescue job for Misbah, very predictable. Also found it funny how MMHS went missing after Pakistan beat all the top sides to win the CT when his prediction of Pakistan reaching Kenya and Uganda level by 2023 only turned out to be a tight slap on his face.
 
Was only a matter of time for MMHS to do a rescue job for Misbah, very predictable. Also found it funny how MMHS went missing after Pakistan beat all the top sides to win the CT when his prediction of Pakistan reaching Kenya and Uganda level by 2023 only turned out to be a tight slap on his face.

If you want to troll around with me, please be bold enough to tag me so that I can respond, otherwise don't bother - you are not worthy enough for me to search around finding your antics.

Your comprehension skill isn't good enough to understand what rescue job I did here. Obviously, you haven't learned your lesson enough yet regarding messing around with Misbah; may be better you should leave it now to be risk free.

Regarding your last part, better leave it here - beyond Uganda, Kenya there were few other things, which obviously has gone above your head.
 
POTW, well written.

He doesn't deserve such treatment after retirement. There are many issues with him, but he was allowed to get things in his ways, because PCB found it better to take that trade off with him. Obviously, he isn't dynamic enough like Imran who enjoyed similar status of getting things own way, but individually was brilliant to lead from the front & visionary enough to raise above leadership myopia.
 
Misbah brought stability and got outcome with mediocre,dull and over aged players.I agree, he did hamper the growth of Pakistan Cricket team of future but In 90s, we had world class and exciting team that couldnt achieve much with excellent spoiled prospects.

Misbah's legacy lies in making us understand the middle way i.e. to make a stable team including players who must go on from strength to strength with experience and that is only possible by picking a young and talented squad and backing of a like minded captain.
 
Our bad ODI days started with Waqar's captaincy. His results were probably better but his legacy was that of a defensive captain. Most captains that came after him continued his tradition. By the time Misbah came along, we were also short on talent. Yeah I know a lot of people will argue about the shortage of talent point but keep in mind most experts also had been of the view that post 2010, after we lost three top players to spot fixing, we were really struggling to find quality players.

Blaming Misbah is like a fashionable thing these days, has not basis in cricket really.
 
Misbah brought stability and got outcome with mediocre,dull and over aged players.I agree, he did hamper the growth of Pakistan Cricket team of future but In 90s, we had world class and exciting team that couldnt achieve much with excellent spoiled prospects.

Misbah's legacy lies in making us understand the middle way i.e. to make a stable team including players who must go on from strength to strength with experience and that is only possible by picking a young and talented squad and backing of a like minded captain.

It was a mixture of a poor captain and Iqbal Qasim saying there is no talent because he was too lazy to do his job.

Misbah never challenged it and kept picking his TTF buddies.
 
It was a mixture of a poor captain and Iqbal Qasim saying there is no talent because he was too lazy to do his job.

Misbah never challenged it and kept picking his TTF buddies.

What would you have done differently if you were captain instead of Misbah? You talk about TTF buddies, look at the current Pak XI. Some of those "buddies" are still there - Hafeez, Wahab, Azhar. If Ajmal hadn't been caught for throwing, he would still be your starting spinner.

Sharjeel, Shehzad, Haris, Umar, Maqsood, Fawad, Wahab, Rahat all played during Misha's tenure. All of them are fringe players or finished articles now and I firmly remember them being seen as youngster beauties at the time. The likes of Babar, Shadab, Hassan, Amir, etc have come after Misbah's time.

Misbah had his moments where he was tactically inept and made selection blunders. However, this constant victimisation of his tenure and false pretence that some people have built for themselves where he is the villain holding us back is just sad to say the least. A month ago we were minnows, and we are now supposedly entering a golden era.

Give it 3 months, if we lose the series against SL people will start bashing Sarfraz as well...
 
And get to the number one Test rank - omg what did we do?

It's about Odis! No sane person can criticise Misbah the Test captain and batsman!
Misbah the Odi captain was unfortunate. Players around him were poor plus his tactics of destroying batting line up through Ajmal and Haffeez didn't pay off because of their ban. In Australia with the same team that was Misbah leading with Ajmal and hafeez; Pakistan could've achieved a lot I guess.

The only thing Misbah is responsible for is the trend of batting selfishly and slowly. Otherwise his team lacked quality and was poor. The only thing that wasn't right after Misbah which was the final nail in the coffin was the Azhar Ali the captain and for that I blame Misbah and Waqar!
 
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It's about Odis! No sane person can criticise Misbah the Test captain and batsman!
Misbah the Odi captain was unfortunate. Players around him were poor plus his tactics of destroying batting line up through Ajmal and Haffeez didn't pay off because of their ban. In Australia with the same team that was Misbah leading with Ajmal and hafeez; Pakistan could've achieved a lot I guess.

The only thing Misbah is responsible for is the trend of batting selfishly and slowly. Otherwise his team lacked quality and was poor. The only thing that wasn't right after Misbah which was the final nail in the coffin was the Azhar Ali the captain and for that I blame Misbah and Waqar!

Why is it that with pretty much the same batting lineup comprising of Azhar, Hafeez, Malik and Sarfaraz we managed to win CT while under Misbah we looked like minnows?
 
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Why is it that with pretty much the same batting lineup comprising of Azhar, Hafeez, Malik and Sarfaraz we managed to win CT while under Misbah we looked like minnows?

Azhar wasn't in Misbah's line up, neither was Malik.

Hafeez only had 1 contribution the entire tourney whilst Misbah certainly didn't have the world class bowling attack that Sarf had at his disposal.
 
Pakistani fans are probably the most fickle and fair weather fan types on the whole world.

We were world number 1 in tests under him for the first time in history.

We also just won a big cup. Can't you friggin leave a poor retired guy alone now?
 
Azhar wasn't in Misbah's line up, neither was Malik.

Hafeez only had 1 contribution the entire tourney whilst Misbah certainly didn't have the world class bowling attack that Sarf had at his disposal.

Why is it that with pretty much the same batting lineup comprising of Azhar, Hafeez, Malik and Sarfaraz we managed to win CT while under Misbah we looked like minnows?

By the way it wasn't the batting which won you the matches it is actually the bowling...we made 339 in final but India was very well capable of chasing 300+ but it was our bowling who gave us 180 runs victory.

Note: I am not taking away anything from Fakhar Zaman for whatever he has done for Pakistan in his early career it will be remembered although Nasir Jamshed did the same in 2012 the only difference was it wasn't any tournament.
 
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