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Ramiz posed this question to Misbah during the PSL draft. The captain's response?

"Mujhe lagta hai doosre din miss karna shooro hogya. Pink ball ne dhoka diya. Na raat ko swing, na din ko swing...Doosre over me jab hamare bowling aye me dekhraha tha ke 'yaar wo bari galti hogay ek seamer khilake" :))

"I started missing him on the second day! The pink ball lied to us us, didn't swing at night, didn't swing in the day...In the second over when we were bowling I was watching and thinking 'oh man, we've messed up playing the extra seamer'"

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Bonus Misbah quote when Rambo asked about his age and fitness:

"I'm 42 now but I'll be 45 by the time this draw ends!"
 
Win us a series in Australia and play until 45... Please.
 
The thinking is flawed. 2 spinners are all you need in the UAE. The third seamer is necessary to manage the workload of the pacers. Playing 2 pacers only is risky because if one gets injured or jaded, it makes the whole attack toothless.

The blunder we made was playing an unfit, and lethargic Sohail Khan as the third seamer. We need a much fitter 3rd seamer who can reduce the load on Wahab, Amir and Yasir.
 
Big Mac said:
Ramiz posed this question to Misbah during the PSL draft. The captain's response?

"Mujhe lagta hai doosre din miss karna shooro hogya. Pink ball ne dhoka diya. Na raat ko swing, na din ko swing...Doosre over me jab hamare bowling aye me dekhraha tha ke 'yaar wo bari galti hogay ek seamer khilake" :))

"I started missing him on the second day! The pink ball lied to us us, didn't swing at night, didn't swing in the day...In the second over when we were bowling I was watching and thinking 'oh man, we've messed up playing the extra seamer'"

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Bonus Misbah quote when Rambo asked about his age and fitness:

"I'm 42 now but I'll be 45 by the time this draw ends!"
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Rather than missing Zulfi he could have given Nawaz more overs. Did a very good job.
 
Welcome back uncle Zulfi. Got much better bowlers then him but hey he is an oldie which misbah likes.
 
Zulfi is trash. Just give Nawaz more overs. Same team. Maybe Rahat for Sohail
 
I think too many people get lost in the averages and forget role definition.

Zulfiqar Babar is a run stopper who plugs one end to exert pressure for Yasir Shah. He's done this well for years now.

Ignore his near 40 bowling average. It's the maidens he's able to string together. In a test against England 50% of his overs were maidens.

Sure, he doesn't pick up wickets, but he's an exceptional run stopper. He squeezes batsmen and Yasir Shah cashes in.
 
kingusama92 said:
I think too many people get lost in the averages and forget role definition.

Zulfiqar Babar is a run stopper who plugs one end to exert pressure for Yasir Shah. He's done this well for years now.

Ignore his near 40 bowling average. It's the maidens he's able to string together. In a test against England 50% of his overs were maidens.

Sure, he doesn't pick up wickets, but he's an exceptional run stopper. He squeezes batsmen and Yasir Shah cashes in.
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I can ignore his average of 40, but I can't ignore his age of 40.
 
Nawaz should be given couple of more tests . Zulfiqar is not young , need to give someone younger a go.

Nawaz needs to bowl more overs.
 
kingusama92 said:
I think too many people get lost in the averages and forget role definition.

Zulfiqar Babar is a run stopper who plugs one end to exert pressure for Yasir Shah. He's done this well for years now.

Ignore his near 40 bowling average. It's the maidens he's able to string together. In a test against England 50% of his overs were maidens.

Sure, he doesn't pick up wickets, but he's an exceptional run stopper. He squeezes batsmen and Yasir Shah cashes in.
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I don't think Nawaz went for a SIX runs an over. He was also able to stop runs and was the most economical bowler in both innings for the same reason.
 
We will be taking a few steps backwards if Zulfiqar is brought into the side.
 
natkhat-shahzada said:
I don't think Nawaz went for a SIX runs an over. He was also able to stop runs and was the most economical bowler in both innings for the same reason.
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I'm not putting Nawaz down.

My assumption is Babar will join Nawaz and Yasir Shah for the remaining tests.

Misbah probably requires the experience of Babar in such a role in case Nawaz makes rookie mistakes.
 
As people have noted before, esp in the last 2 years this guy has quite the tendency to unconditionally support old players. I think it's because he relates to them better as he knows what it's like to be denied chances to play in your young years and only get 2 to 3 years to play when you debut in mid 30s.

So to kind of get back at the system he plays his friends of the same age and tries to keep young players out so they can mature.

Not really 100% applicable here as squad is already chosen, but he def had a hand in Zulfi baba getting chosen over a younger spinner for the tour overall.

It's evident in the Islamabad united team selection as well the way Babar was dropped and mediocre allrounder in his 30s like Imran Khalid was chosen.

Same case in the ODI team when he was captain, Younis slithered his way back to the ODI team, which was primarily the fault of selectors + Najam who publicly vouched for him when he had no business. But as soon as Misbah retired Waqar brought the hammer down effective immeadeatly and ended Younis's shenanigans with no Misbah to run back to.
 
Need specialist spinners who can take wickets. Correct.

Haters and pp fans don't have any idea about the conditions there but would still cry and complain.

But that's what internet is for. :najam You can complain, King is there to win. :baelish
 
We need specialist Spinner who can take wickets.... and only option we have..... Zulfi Mera Dost.... i mean ... Misbah ka dost ...
 
kingusama92 said:
I think too many people get lost in the averages and forget role definition.

Zulfiqar Babar is a run stopper who plugs one end to exert pressure for Yasir Shah. He's done this well for years now.

Ignore his near 40 bowling average. It's the maidens he's able to string together. In a test against England 50% of his overs were maidens.

Sure, he doesn't pick up wickets, but he's an exceptional run stopper. He squeezes batsmen and Yasir Shah cashes in.
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No doubt Babar is very economical, but he does not offer any penetration at all and is what 40 years old now. Not to forget useless with the bat and very lethargic in the field.

He has hardly done anything since the Australian series in 2014. When Shoaib Malik of all people out-bowl you in a Test series, it is pretty clear that you are well below par.

Someone like Nawaz, Gohar or Asghar can still be economical and also take more wickets as well. Nawaz and Gohar will strengthen the batting as well.

I thought Nawaz bowled very well in the 1st Test but was under-bowled. He was our most economical bowler as well.

In the long run, we need to play a batsman at 6 (most likely Babar) and Nawaz as the second spinner along with Yasir. It is our usual UAE formula but Babar replacing Shafiq at 6 and Nawaz replacing Babar as the second spinner.
 
Hawkeye said:
Need specialist spinners who can take wickets. Correct.

Haters and pp fans don't have any idea about the conditions there but would still cry and complain.

But that's what internet is for. :najam You can complain, King is there to win. :baelish
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imshally81 said:
We need specialist Spinner who can take wickets.... and only option we have..... Zulfi Mera Dost.... i mean ... Misbah ka dost ...
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Babar cannot take wickets anymore, that's the problem.
 
Another Misbah friend will play really pathetic from him considering we have zafar gohar and mohammed asghar who are much better then this oldie. An average of 40+ plus in UAE is shamebolic to say the least.
 
Mamoon said:
No doubt Babar is very economical, but he does not offer any penetration at all and is what 40 years old now. Not to forget useless with the bat and very lethargic in the field.

He has hardly done anything since the Australian series in 2014. When Shoaib Malik of all people out-bowl you in a Test series, it is pretty clear that you are well below par.

Someone like Nawaz, Gohar or Asghar can still be economical and also take more wickets as well. Nawaz and Gohar will strengthen the batting as well.

I thought Nawaz bowled very well in the 1st Test but was under-bowled. He was our most economical bowler as well.

In the long run, we need to play a batsman at 6 (most likely Babar) and Nawaz as the second spinner along with Yasir. It is our usual UAE formula but Babar replacing Shafiq at 6 and Nawaz replacing Babar as the second spinner.
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FYI, Babar has taken 20 wickets in 4 matches in Abu Dhabi, the most by any bowler. He definitely has to be included in the 2nd test in place of one of the pacers which is most likely going to be Sohail. WI will struggle against left arm spin of Zulfiqar on the Abu Dhabi pitch.

Yes he is old and lethargic in the field but he is no mug with the bat and can hold up one end if required. Besides swapping him with Sohail won't make much of difference anyways.
 
Zulfi the KILLER is needed for tomorrow.

In the D-N Test, the dew helped bind the pitch together. However in Abu Dhabi in a day Test under the sun the pitch should deteroriate and favour the spinners - that's where Zulfi can come in, he does average 19 in the 4th innings of a Test.
 
Misbah, Younis and now Zulfi, is this geriatric league or something ? Time to make way for fresh blood.
 
Average of 38 and turning 38 years old very soon, what waste of space.

Either let Nawaz develop or bring in another young spinner.
 
Mamoon said:
No doubt Babar is very economical, but he does not offer any penetration at all and is what 40 years old now. Not to forget useless with the bat and very lethargic in the field.

He has hardly done anything since the Australian series in 2014. When Shoaib Malik of all people out-bowl you in a Test series, it is pretty clear that you are well below par.

Someone like Nawaz, Gohar or Asghar can still be economical and also take more wickets as well. Nawaz and Gohar will strengthen the batting as well.

I thought Nawaz bowled very well in the 1st Test but was under-bowled. He was our most economical bowler as well.

In the long run, we need to play a batsman at 6 (most likely Babar) and Nawaz as the second spinner along with Yasir. It is our usual UAE formula but Babar replacing Shafiq at 6 and Nawaz replacing Babar as the second spinner.
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What is your take on Misbah backing older players over young guys. Is it a myth or do you think it's a possibility.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
FYI, Babar has taken 20 wickets in 4 matches in Abu Dhabi, the most by any bowler. He definitely has to be included in the 2nd test in place of one of the pacers which is most likely going to be Sohail. WI will struggle against left arm spin of Zulfiqar on the Abu Dhabi pitch.

Yes he is old and lethargic in the field but he is no mug with the bat and can hold up one end if required. Besides swapping him with Sohail won't make much of difference anyways.
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WI batsmen are poor against spin and it is very possible that Babar will take plenty of wickets in this series, but we need to look long-term here.

The time has come for Pakistan to find a spinner who can partner Yasir for the next 4-5 years, and that totally rules Babar out.

He might have good overall record in Abu Dhabi, but against England last year, he bowled 72 overs in the 1st innings and got just 1 wicket, which is utterly unacceptable regardless of how flat the pitch was.
 
Suleiman said:
What is your take on Misbah backing older players over young guys. Is it a myth or do you think it's a possibility.
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Youth isn't a problem because plenty of young players have made their debuts under Misbah and all of them are responsible for their own doing, or got injured in Haris' case.

Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood, Junaid, Haris, Jamshed, Anwar, Bhatti, Rahat, Rizwan etc. all have had plenty of chances.
 
Mamoon said:
WI batsmen are poor against spin and it is very possible that Babar will take plenty of wickets in this series, but we need to look long-term here.

The time has come for Pakistan to find a spinner who can partner Yasir for the next 4-5 years, and that totally rules Babar out.

He might have good overall record in Abu Dhabi, but against England last year, he bowled 72 overs in the 1st innings and got just 1 wicket, which is utterly unacceptable regardless of how flat the pitch was.
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If the player is doing well, I am not in favor of discriminating based on age. As far as this team composition is concerned and pitches not favoring the faster bowlers, it makes sense to include him in the team for the 2nd test and that is what has happened.

If he doesn't perform in this test, I think selectors will look at finding a replacement for him. Players should not be discarded based on the performance of one test but then again he has a bowling average of 38 which does not provide much hope that he can continue to be part of this team.
 
So far wicketless and isn't looking anything special... Maybe his last series?
 
To me it looks like this is his last series.
 
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Great start to the season for Zulfiqar Babar in the QEA trophy. This series has shown we need a spin partner to compliment the main spinner. With Ajmal we had Rehman and 1-2 years ago we had Babar with Shah.
 
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hadi123 said:
Great start to the season for Zulfiqar Babar in the QEA trophy. This series has shown we need a spin partner to compliment the main spinner. With Ajmal we had Rehman and 1-2 years ago we had Babar with Shah.
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That second spinner should be Asghar but sarfraz and micky seem to not wanna play him for some reason
 
I don't know why the captain and/or coach insist on 3 fast bowlers instead and don't want a second regular spinner. We have tried the 3 fast bowler approach before and have witnessed its failure before as well.
 
I bumped this not because of Misbah or Zulfi baba, but because we perhaps should have learned from the last day/night test in the UAE to ignore the talk of the pink ball and lights and stick with what works in the UAE.
 
Big Mac said:
I bumped this not because of Misbah or Zulfi baba, but because we perhaps should have learned from the last day/night test in the UAE to ignore the talk of the pink ball and lights and stick with what works in the UAE.
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yeah weird how the other posters missed it completely, also much weirder that Sarfraz and mickey did not know about this while selecting the team for this match, they had a precedent...
 
Misbah backing his 40 year old class mate, what else is new?
 
CricFan2012 said:
yeah weird how the other posters missed it completely, also much weirder that Sarfraz and mickey did not know about this while selecting the team for this match, they had a precedent...
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Some continue to miss it, even a year later :))

No excuse for not being aware of this, Mickey was coach and we have a lot of the same players. They knew exactly what the pink ball is like on these pitches.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Regardless of whether he played 50 year olds, he won us Tests and took us to no. 1 and should be respected.
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Never said I don't respect him or disregarded any of that. You can admire someone and still attest to their flaws, which in his case was favoring "experience" over youth.
 
Suleiman said:
Never said I don't respect him or disregarded any of that. You can admire someone and still attest to their flaws, which in his case was favoring "experience" over youth.
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Everyone has flaws, it is about what one's comfortable with. Even if he backed the older ones more, he got the results with them. He knows our domestic cricket and players more than any other.
 
Big Mac said:
Some continue to miss it, even a year later :))

No excuse for not being aware of this, Mickey was coach and we have a lot of the same players. They knew exactly what the pink ball is like on these pitches.
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I've been thinking the same, it's not like folks such as Azhar and Sarfraz are playing cricket in the UAE for the first time; they should have learned that from the big man and his approach which has been successful for almost a decade
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Everyone has flaws, it is about what one's comfortable with. Even if he backed the older ones more, he got the results with them. He knows our domestic cricket and players more than any other.
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Misbah approach in test was okay. But outside uae he was a rubbish captain in odi and t20 and test. The result vs England in England was a lot og things going for pak.
 
Noman said:
Misbah approach in test was okay. But outside uae he was a rubbish captain in odi and t20 and test. The result vs England in England was a lot og things going for pak.
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We were extremely lucky to not face Anderson in some tests IIRC, and I believe some other of Englands key player was missing.

True test was Australia who are the better side at home and we failed badly.

To me, it went on to show how UAE damaged Pakistan cricket, it hurt our batting and bowling.

It wasn't up to Misbah to decide where they would be playing their cricket so I don't blame him, he did okay in tests but was an abomination in LOI, and Ajmal's bowling in test cricket he was freakishly lucky that Ajmal and Hafeez were cheating for him and that ICC was too lenient, or else we would've been minnows there, so pathetic...
 
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People are STILL arguing about Misbah or Zulfi baba :))) How many times can we spell it out for them?

shaz619 said:
I've been thinking the same, it's not like folks such as Azhar and Sarfraz are playing cricket in the UAE for the first time; they should have learned that from the big man and his approach which has been successful for almost a decade
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It's not even about following what worked for the previous captain, it's about knowing that the pink ball did absolutely nothing for our seamers last year and not repeating the same mistake.
 
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