Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 - why no debris?

[Yossarian]

If the plane crashed and was not landed, then there are three possibilies:

1. Crashed into the sea
2. Crashed on land.
3. Exploded in mid-air.

1. Crashed into the sea.
*There is NO WAY it would not have broken up once it hit the water, as it will still be going at speed, whether free falling from the sky or whether someone was in control (and therefore still travelling at over 100 mph) and was trying to land on water. It is virtually impossible that it would have ended up deep underwater all in one piece.

*Apart from the passenger and crewe lifejackets, stored under the seats, being triggered automatically by the seawater/ underwater pressure and rising to the surface, even if the passengers didn't get a chance to put them on, the seat cushions are also designed to float. Much of the passenger luggage as well as cargo luggage will also also contain items that will float.

* So even if the 'black boxes' (flight and voice recorders, coloured red) are too deep to locate the signal, there should still be many hundreds of items of debris (lifebelts and seat cushions from around 300+ seats, items of luggage from 237 passengers and crewe ....) floating on the surface, debris that will never sink, or not sink for a long time. Surely at least some of that should have been seen and picked up by now?

2. Crashed on land.
If this happened over a remote region, such as a ravine in the middle of the jungle or the side of a mountain where snow was falling, it is quite possible that the debris would not be widespread and be hidden and thus difficult to locate. However, presumably, the 'black boxes' should have activated and sent out beacons, and being on land, should have been easy to pinpoint and locate before the batteries ran out?


3. Exploded in mid-air.
Depending upon whether over sea or land at the time, (1) or (2) above should apply, vis-a-vis floating debris or easy location of the black-boxes.

What do you think happend? Is there another possible explanation?

(Please be aware, we are talking about the missing loved ones of those still waiting/hoping for news. So keep your comments approprate)

 

[Robert]

If the plane crashed and was not landed, then there are three possibilies:

1. Crashed into the sea
2. Crashed on land.
3. Exploded in mid-air.

1. Crashed into the sea.
*There is NO WAY it would not have broken up once it hit the water, as it will still be going at speed, whether free falling from the sky or whether someone was in control (and therefore still travelling at over 100 mph) and was trying to land on water. It is virtually impossible that it would have ended up deep underwater all in one piece.

If the pilot tried to land on water it would have stayed in one piece. Look at the case of that airliner which came down in the Hudson River.

I think he deliberately murdered all the crew and passengers by turning the oxygen supply down, then flew South until he was out of fuel.

 

[Sakss]

Mystery...I think it was hijacked and taken to an isolation where all the passengers were killed ....

 

[Vegitto1]

I think it went into the sea like a torpedo - or like a diver dives into water without causing a splash! And at that speed in went really deep - to the center of the earth! (Exaggerated at the end)

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Looks like it could have been pilot suicide. The search area is absolutely gigantic btw. About 4 times the size of ireland. So its not entirely implausible to suggest that the debris hasnt been found yet.

Another interesting theory is Hypoxia. There was a greek air disaster with Helios airlines where the pressure switch was accidentally set to manual. The air levels dropped as the plane ascended and eventually everyone on board, bar 1 flight attendant, was unconscious. The plane flew for hours on auto pilot before coming down due to lack of fuel (and yes i saw this on air crash investigation lol)

There's no way the plane went down on land since it was last spotted in the middle of nowhere in the Indian Ocean.

It may have exploded in mid air but a terrorist attack is unlikely as someone would have claimed responsibility. The debris would have been nothing but small particles by and large and would be spread over a huge area. I believe an Air India flight came down off the Cork coast in the 80s. It was rumoured to have been carrying illegal weapons that malfunctioned mid flight and exploded...

Also worth noting that there is a lot of junk floating in the oceans so some of the debris may have been mistaken for everyday rubbish that finds its way into the sea

 

[Yossarian]

If the pilot tried to land on water it would have stayed in one piece. Look at the case of that airliner which came down in the Hudson River.

I think he deliberately murdered all the crew and passengers by turning the oxygen supply down, then flew South until he was out of fuel.

It will still break up, if not at the surface, then once it had started to sink. There is no way that the main fuselage could have remained intact and be now sitting at the bottom of the ocean still in one piece. Meaning plenty of debris, such as lifebelts, seat cushions and various items of luggage, would have floated to the surface. Also, even though the plane may have run out of fuel, surely there should still have been sufficient hydraulic oil and dregs of fuel left in the tanks so as to create sufficiently large oil spills that could be spotted with satellite imagery.

As for the Hudson River landing, that's a false comparison. It was done by a skilled pilot doing his utmost, and succeeding, to land on a river with smooth,calm water and not on an ocean with much bigger waves even on a calm day. And even then it has been said that it was 'a miracle' that the plane didn't break up on landing.
Besides, why would the pilot try to safely land on water in the middle of the ocean if, as you say, his intention was to deliberately murder everyone on board?

I think it went into the sea like a torpedo - or like a diver dives into water without causing a splash! And at that speed in went really deep - to the center of the earth! (Exaggerated at the end)

Presumably you've been inside a passenger airplane, in which case you'd have noticed that the main fuselage is basically a shell with a thin outer skin. You'll also have seen, in documentaries or video's, pictures of torpedoes, which, again you will have noticed, are compact and appear to be very heavy for their size in relation to the size & weight of a commercial airliner.
A commercial airliner "going into the sea like a torpedo without causing a splash" indeed!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Still believe it's safe in an invisible alien ship. And while its a good news foe the families, but for the rest of humanity it doesn't quite sound too good.

 

[B@$!T]

a plane cant just disappear in this day and age, it feels like they are hiding it for some reason.

 

[Cochin_wala]

Still believe it's safe in an invisible alien ship. And while its a good news foe the families, but for the rest of humanity it doesn't quite sound too good.

you read this: http://psychicfocus.blogspot.in/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html

don't you?

 

[sjahmed23]

The world is bigger than we think; it crashed in ocean, parts are sunk/dispersed.

 

[LongHorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ible-breakthrough-debris-found-reunion-island

On one hand it will bring closure for a lot of families, on the other hand whatever tiny hope they were holding on to will disappear if it is confirmed to be the MH370....

 

[uberkoen]

A mechanic from the Réunion-based airline Air Austral told local journalists he had studied the debris with French military officials and concluded with 99.9% certainty that it originated from a Boeing 777.

He said the debris was stamped with 657-BB, a number that could be used to identify a part and the plane to which it belonged.

We will find out soon enough I suppose.

 

[jeetu]

http://q13fox.com/2017/01/16/after-...ssing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-suspended/

The underwater search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has been suspended nearly three years after the airliner vanished without a trace over the Indian Ocean, according to a joint statement from Chinese, Australian and Malaysian officials.

The three countries had been leading the search for MH370, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board.

“Despite every effort using the best science available, cutting edge technology, as well as modeling and advice from highly skilled professionals who are the best in their field, unfortunately, the search has not been able to locate the aircraft,” the statement said.

“The decision to suspend the underwater search has not been taken lightly nor without sadness.”

Steve Wang, whose mother was on board the flight, told CNN he was disappointed the search had ended with few, if any, answers.

“They said they are quite sure that they are searching the right place, but it seems that they are wrong.” he said.

“I think it is their responsibility, not only for the 239 passengers on the plane, or for the next-of-kin like us, but also they have to give an answer to the whole world… what really happened to MH370.”

Aviation mystery

The plane’s disappearance remains one of the greatest aviation mysteries in modern history.

Searchers spent millions of dollars scouring tens of thousands of square miles, but so far have yielded little new information about the plane’s final moments.

In July last year, Australia, China and Malaysia agreed that if the aircraft was not located by the time 120,000 square kilometers (46,000 square miles) had been covered, the search would be suspended.

“The decision came not lightly,” Australia’s Transport Minister, Darren Chester, said at the time. “But in the absence of new credible evidence it is not possible to continue searching. Every effort has been made. We have used the most high tech and the best people for this search.”

What we do know

At 12:41 a.m. local time on March 8, 2014, MH370 departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport for Beijing. It was heading north but after its last message of “Good night Malaysian Three Seven Zero,” it changed course towards the west, according to military radar.

From there, investigators believe it turned south around the edge of Indonesia and across the vast Indian Ocean.

Investigators confirmed in July that MH370 captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah had tracked a route deep into the Indian Ocean on his home flight simulator, very similar to the one officials believe the missing plane took.

Grandparents, a newly-graduated engineer, a young couple and a two-year-old boy were among the hundreds of people on board MH370 when it vanished.

Most of the passengers and crew were from China and Malaysia, but individuals and families from 14 different countries were also on board the missing flight.

Theories

Based on some of the wreckage that’s been found, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau determined the wing flaps had been stowed when MH370 crashed.

The report suggested the plane had been out of control, spiraling downwards at a rate of almost 300 miles per hour at its last satellite transmission.

These findings suggested “two early hypotheses,” according to CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo; either that a fire on board the plane incapacitated everyone through smoke or fumes, or that a rapid decompression, perhaps because of a breach in a window, led to their deaths hours before the plane ran out of fuel and spiraled downward.

But investigators still haven’t been able to say for sure what caused the crash, and, unfortunately, according to O’Neill and Associates aviation expert Peter Goelz, the debris discovered has so far done little to enlighten us — or the victims’ families — as to what exactly happened that day.

“All it tells us is what we suspected, in that the plane crashed somewhere in the South Indian Ocean,” he told CNN in November. “At some time in the future there will be a quantum leap forward in the ability to look underneath the sea and someone will find it. But that’s not for decades,” Goelz said. “I think at some point, they’ll find it — it’s too big a mystery. But the technology we have now, we can’t do it easily or cheaply.”

There’s also the possibility that the search teams were looking in the wrong place, according to an Australian government released in December.

The report recommended that, based on new analysis, a new area to the northeast of the current search area should be searched, approximately 25,000 square kilometers.

However, Australian Transport Minister Chester said the search would not be extended without new evidence.

What’s been found

Multiple countries and companies have been involved in the extensive search, which has taken place along a defined arc in the Southern Indian Ocean, where the plane made its last satellite transmission.

Three pieces of the missing plane found off the coast of Africa have been confirmed as coming from MH370, using specific identification numbers.

The first piece found was a flaperon from the plane’s wing, which was discovered on Reunion Island in July 2015, after which came two wing flaps discovered in Mauritius and Tanzania in May and June 2016, respectively.

The ATSB said six other pieces of wreckage found off the African coast were likely to have come from the missing plane, but this wasn’t confirmed.

In total, 20 piece of debris have been brought to the attention of the investigative team.

But those pieces of detritus have not given closure to those whose loved ones remain missing.

“The people who are living with you more than 20 years, and they leave suddenly,” Wang said. “We just want them to give us more information. I think there are still something, we don’t know.”

 

[in_cutter]

Wow it has been three yrs since this incident? Seems like it happened yestreday.

 

[PetroDollars]

The plane that vanished into thin air: Seven years after Malaysia Airlines MH370 disappeared mid-flight, no black box or definitive wreckage has ever been found. Now, a new book that reads like a thriller claims a cover up
-Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished in 2014
-First plane to disappear without explanation since Amelia Earhart in 1939
-Florence de Changy covered disappearance for French newspaper Le Monde
-In a new book, she examines the information surrounding the mystery

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/bo...appeared-mid-flight-book-claims-cover-up.html

 

[Savak]

Very similar situation to the Story of Lost.

 

[Stewie]

Didnt they find some wreckage, albeit very small pieces on the east coast of Africa? Vaguely remember something washing ashore on Madagascar that was associated with the flight.. or am I mis remembering?

 

[gani999]

Didnt they find some wreckage, albeit very small pieces on the east coast of Africa? Vaguely remember something washing ashore on Madagascar that was associated with the flight.. or am I mis remembering?

They have found a lot of wreckage, in fact. It's clear that the plane crashed into the sea.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37820122

What happened, how and where the rest of the fuselage is still a mystery, sadly. The black boxes/CVR haven't been found either.

 

[PetroDollars]

Didnt they find some wreckage, albeit very small pieces on the east coast of Africa? Vaguely remember something washing ashore on Madagascar that was associated with the flight.. or am I mis remembering?

It says that the wreckage was planted there by the french and malay gov.

 

[AAli98]

Seen a documentary on Netflix a girl had a phone call from her farther who was on the plane.

I don’t believe for one moment that anyone in the world would have an incoming call from their missing father, run about not answering it, and then ask a stranger what should I do?

 

[WicketLord]

Doomed MH370 aircraft which vanished from radar ‘found' in remote jungle spot.

A British tech expert has claimed to have found the missing MH370 plane after spending "hours" scanning Google Maps.

Ian Wilson believes the remains of the doomed flight are lying deep in a jungle in Cambodia.

Citing a "green and dark" spot in the jungle, he claims it represents the missing plane.

Investigators have worked extensively since the plane vanished but, despite releasing a 1,500-page report, they have admitted they still cannot say what happened.

Though Mr Wilson's findings are not considered substantial evidence of the missing flight, the Bureau of Aircraft Investigations Archives said they could not rule out the Google Maps sighting.

Mr Wilson said: "I was on there [Google Earth], a few hours here, a few hours there. If you added it up I spent hours searching for places a plane could have gone down.

"And in the end, as you can see the place where the plane is. It is literally the greenest, darkest part you can see.

"Measuring the Google sighting, you're looking at around 69 metres, but there looks to be a gap between the tail and the back of the plane.

"It's just slightly bigger, but there's a gap that would probably account for that."

MSN

 

[sweep_shot]

Shocking that they are yet to figure out what happened to MH370. It has been 10 years.

A giant plane like this shouldn't just disappear like this.

 

[sweep_shot]

It seems to me either the pilot did this or there was a lunatic hijacker who did this. This was possibly a murder-suicide.

Another theory is it was taken by a rogue state for some reason (maybe the plane had something or someone interesting to them).

Another possible theory is everyone lost conscious due to some catastrophic incident (fire maybe?). But, that doesn't explain why plane turned. It seemed manually controlled.

Another far-fetched theory (very unlikely) is that it was taken by a UFO. There was an alleged incident like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich.

 

[dubeTheGoat]

The most likely outcome is due to internal sabotage by pilot. There isn't enough objective proof but the finesse with which the plane flew through Aerial Identification Zones of the countries can't be done by an untrained person. Until we get the black box though, nothing is confirmed and it remains shrouded in mystery

 

[sweep_shot]

The most likely outcome is due to internal sabotage by pilot. There isn't enough objective proof but the finesse with which the plane flew through Aerial Identification Zones of the countries can't be done by an untrained person. Until we get the black box though, nothing is confirmed and it remains shrouded in mystery

I also believe it was most likely a murder-suicide. Either the pilot or a hijacker. Whoever allegedly did this was very experienced and skilled.

Also, the plane changed positions. So, it didn't seem to be on autopilot or anything. It was manually controlled (whoever was controlling it).

 

[sweep_shot]

Many have made claims like this. But, the plane is yet to be found.

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Source: https://www.newsweek.com/scientist-discovers-perfect-hiding-spot-malaysian-airlines-mh370-1944882

Scientist Claims to Have Solved Flight MH370 Mystery: 'Perfect Hiding Place'​

Australian scientist Vincent Lyne has reignited interest in the decade-old mystery of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, claiming to have identified its final resting place in the southern Indian Ocean.

Lyne, an adjunct researcher at the University of Tasmania's Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies, announced his findings in a LinkedIn post titled "Mystery of MH370 Solved by Science," where he outlines what he believes is the conclusive location of the missing aircraft.

The scientist's theory centers on a 20,000-foot-deep "hole" in the Broken Ridge, an oceanic plateau in the south-eastern Indian Ocean. He argues that the aircraft, which disappeared on March 8, 2014, was deliberately flown into this remote and rugged underwater terrain by its pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah. According to Lyne, this site's challenging underwater landscape, characterized by steep ridges and deep ravines, provided the "perfect 'hiding' place" for the aircraft.

"This work changes the narrative of MH370's disappearance," Lyne stated, asserting that the plane's final moments were not the result of a fuel-starved crash, but rather a calculated, controlled ditching. He further claimed that the aircraft's location is pinpointed by the intersection of the longitude of Penang Airport with a flight path from the pilot's home simulator—a route previously dismissed by the FBI and other investigators as "irrelevant," Lyne said.

"That location needs to be verified as a high priority," Lyne wrote. "Whether it will be searched or not is up to officials and search companies, but as far as science is concerned, we know why the previous searches failed," Lyne declared. He emphasized that previous search efforts failed to consider this specific area, and that "science unmistakably points to where MH370 lies."

The potential significance of this location was highlighted by the comparison Lyne made with U.S. Airways Flight 1549, famously ditched in the Hudson River by Captain Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger in 2009. Lyne suggested that the MH370 wreckage would show similar signs of a controlled ditching, bolstering his theory that the plane was deliberately flown into its final resting place.

Newsweek contacted Lyne for more details about his research into the flight disappearance.

Lyne's assertions come ten years after MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Despite exhaustive search efforts covering a vast 120,000-square-kilometer area of the Indian Ocean, no definitive wreckage was found, leading to the suspension of the official search in 2017. The mystery of the plane's disappearance has since been the subject of numerous theories, but none have provided conclusive evidence.

While the veracity of Lyne's claims remains to be tested, his theory has drawn considerable attention and may prompt further exploration in the Southern Indian Ocean. As the search for answers continues, the mystery of MH370 remains one of the most enduring enigmas in modern aviation history.

 

[dubeTheGoat]

i think only the black box is recoverable right now. Most other parts would have disintegrated by now

 

[BouncerGuy]

Malaysia says it will resume search for wreckage of missing Flight MH370

Malaysia has agreed in principle to resume the search for the wreckage of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, its transport minister said on Friday, more than 10 years after it disappeared in one of the world's greatest aviation mysteries.

Flight MH370, a Boeing 777 carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew, vanished en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014.

Transport Minister Anthony Loke said the proposal to search a new area in the southern Indian Ocean came from exploration firm Ocean Infinity, which had also conducted the last search for the plane that ended in 2018.

The firm will receive $70 million if wreckage found is substantive, Loke told a press conference.

"Our responsibility and obligation and commitment is to the next of kin," he said.

"We hope this time will be positive, that the wreckage will be found and give closure to the families."

Malaysian investigators initially did not rule out the possibility that the aircraft had been deliberately taken off course.

Debris, some confirmed and some believed to be from the aircraft, has washed up along the coast of Africa and on islands in the Indian Ocean.

More than 150 Chinese passengers were on the flight, with relatives demanding compensation from Malaysia Airlines, Boeing, aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce and the Allianz insurance group among others.

Malaysia engaged Ocean Infinity in 2018 to search in the southern Indian Ocean, offering to pay up to $70 million if it found the plane, but it failed on two attempts.

That followed an underwater search by Malaysia, Australia and China in a 120,000 sq km (46,332 sq mile) area of the southern Indian Ocean, based on data of automatic connections between an Inmarsat satellite and the plane.

SOURCE: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...rch-wreckage-missing-flight-mh370-2024-12-20/

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Malaysia suspends search for long-missing flight MH370

The latest search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been suspended as it is “not the season”, according to the country’s transport minister, more than a decade after the plane went missing.

“They have stopped the operation for the time being, they will resume the search at the end of this year,” Anthony Loke said in a voice recording sent to the AFP news agency on Thursday. “Right now, it’s not the season.”

Flight MH370, a Boeing 777, was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members when it vanished en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur in 2014 in one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries.

The decision came a couple of weeks after authorities said the search for the missing flight had resumed, following earlier failed attempts that covered vast swaths of the Indian Ocean.

An initial Australia-led search covered 120,000sq km (46,300sq miles) in the ocean over three years, but hardly found any trace of the plane other than a few pieces of debris.

Maritime exploration firm Ocean Infinity, based in the United Kingdom and the United States, led an unsuccessful hunt in 2018, before agreeing to launch a new search this year.

Malaysia suspends search for long-missing flight MH370

Relatives of passengers lost on the 2014 flight have continued to demand answers from Malaysian authorities.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[sweep_shot]

Malaysia suspends search for long-missing flight MH370

The latest search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been suspended as it is “not the season”, according to the country’s transport minister, more than a decade after the plane went missing.

“They have stopped the operation for the time being, they will resume the search at the end of this year,” Anthony Loke said in a voice recording sent to the AFP news agency on Thursday. “Right now, it’s not the season.”

Flight MH370, a Boeing 777, was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members when it vanished en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur in 2014 in one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries.

The decision came a couple of weeks after authorities said the search for the missing flight had resumed, following earlier failed attempts that covered vast swaths of the Indian Ocean.

An initial Australia-led search covered 120,000sq km (46,300sq miles) in the ocean over three years, but hardly found any trace of the plane other than a few pieces of debris.

Maritime exploration firm Ocean Infinity, based in the United Kingdom and the United States, led an unsuccessful hunt in 2018, before agreeing to launch a new search this year.

Malaysia suspends search for long-missing flight MH370

Relatives of passengers lost on the 2014 flight have continued to demand answers from Malaysian authorities.

www.aljazeera.com

They should call off search permanently. A lot of money and time have been wasted. They have been searching for 11 years.

I am guessing it probably sunk really deep.