Modi's BJP and Imran's PTI - Similarities in supporters

[pillionrider]

I know this will sound like the ultimate insult to supporters of either leader, but I really don't mean it that way.

For a while now, I've found too many similarities between what's happening on either side of the border and have posted about it. Think a separate thread is now warranted.

Modi won twice and by a massive margin. Imran has yet to win that convincingly. But in the almost-term that he completed, there have been so many things that were common to the two leaders who yet claim to be the opposite of each other. Well at least Imran, because not sure I recall Modi targeting IK personally, the way the latter has.


Similarities:
Petrol/Diesel skyrocketing costs.
Both India and Pakistan have had lower prices when international costs have been high and crazy prices when it actually went down internationally. Not sure if it's the same reason in Pak, but here it's mostly down to the government taxing the hell out of it and making and keeping the killing. They shamelessly cut the prices claiming a Diwali gift but basically it was a pre-state-election gimmick and now we're back to square one and higher.

Corruption
Both had development as the main agenda while promising a corruption-free country. Corruption by previous governments were widely tomtomed to prove what a drain they'd been on the nation's progress.

Under Modi, his best friend Adani is literally on his way to becoming the richest man ever and has been skyrocketing through the charts. Mukesh Ambani is always in the picture and there was the shady deal with younger brother Ani Ambani and the Rafales. There's also Amit Shah's son Jay Shah. Plenty of corrupt BJP state governments.

Alleged corruption under the PTI is now being claimed.

Clean Image
Both IK and Modi have portrayed a clean image - we will never steal for ourselves. In Modi's case, the fact that he is single (well, married but wife-deserter) was apparently proof that he couldn't be personally corrupt. Yeah, because kids corrupt you

New India - Naya Pakistan
I think anyone who promises anything new is going to be looked at with greater suspicion after these two experiences.

Dynasts
Both make a big deal out of dynastic politics with the Nehru-clan on one side and the Bhutto-Sharif clan on the other targeted routinely. Both clans have also produced their version of Pappu apparently.

Overseas Supporters:
The non-resident Indian or Pakistani seems among the biggest fans of the two leaders and are willing to spend hours defending their leader and fighting and belittling anyone who opposes them.

Dismissive of any criticism
Anyone who criticizes either leader is quickly dismissed as a stooge or beneficiary of previous regimes. It seems inconceivable to supporters that anyone could actually be critical of the leader based on experiences under them.

Foreign interference
In the face of any foreign criticism, nationalism is invoked and the country is under threat from foreign powers who want to enslave the proud nation.

Vanity
Both leaders seem quite vain and pompous, though I'd put Modi well-above at this point. But IK might not be too far behind and if he wins a Modi-level mandate, then we can judge whether he becomes delusional.

Demigod status
Both are demigods to their fans. Modi is bigger and has a cultleader-like status. But once again, it comes down to mandate and time will tell if IK too attains this kind of a no-mistake-possible image.

The use of social media
They've seemed to have mastered the use of social media to brainwash and for propaganda.

This is just what occurred to me right now. Might have missed many more or not even thought of others.

There are plenty of difference of course. I'm not sure if Pakistani minorities have felt increasingly insecure the way it's been this side. But the differences aren't what this thread is about. It's the shocking similarities.

I hope this thread is taken in the right spirit by the mods and readers. There is no malice intended. I'm just shocked by how similar the two countries have been off-late and have even wondered if the two sides secretly compare notes from time to time

If nothing, I hope it can serve as a reason to introspect, which is never a bad thing. For my part, I will also try and introspect if I'm reading some of these completely wrong.

 

[TheSultan]

Here’s the difference

Madhya Pradesh: Why an Indian state is demolishing Muslim homes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-61042315

 

[Local.Dada]

IK has an establishment he has to fight against. In India Modi is the establishment.

The rest look like cable sent from a minutes from a kitty party the OP had. That’s the intellectual depth of the opening post pretty much.

 

[Sidilicious]

Man you stole my post!!!! I was going to create the OP!!!

But well done. Agree 100%

 

[Sidilicious]

I would also add
1. Mishandling of the economy
2. General Incompetence (Immy wins here though)
3. Blocking freedom of speech
4. Religious right (mostly)
5. Messiah complex

 

[Kaptan]

I would also add
1. Mishandling of the economy
2. General Incompetence (Immy wins here though)
3. Blocking freedom of speech
4. Religious right (mostly)
5. Messiah complex

Also branding anyone who doesn't support their theory as anti nationals and traitors.

 

[Major]

IK is more like johannie cochran. A tv personality and a lawyer who fought the oj simpson case.

Oj simpson case was a murder trial, but what johnnie cochran pulled off was a change abd building of a narrative. He was able to build a narrative on racism due to the Rodney King riots. Based on that he was able to fool 12 jurrors into letting a murderer get away.

Imran khan is a mordern day Johnnie cochran. He destroyed the country aleconomically and has made us a laughing stock in the foreign relations. Now for Imran to win back people, he has to make sure that 22 carore people fall for a narrative that over looks his mistakes.

The narrative he first used was by showinf himself as someone who stood for the finality of prophethood and fought blasphemy. The second narrative that he build after being kicked out was the foreign conspiracy..

Now narrative would be built in the jope that the people elect him on this.

But the interesting about this OJ case was that in the long run the people accepted their mistake for supporting a murderrer. Thats the thing of a marrative, it cannot stay for long.

This is why kmran is trying to get elections right now because people would be able to remember this narrative.

If elections happen after 1.5-1.8 years till than the people can forget about the propoganda by Imran

 

[Sidilicious]

Also branding anyone who doesn't support their theory as anti nationals and traitors.

How did I forget that!

Very true

 

[SportsWarrior]

PTI is closer to AAP party.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Vanity
Both leaders seem quite vain and pompous, though I'd put Modi well-above at this point. But IK might not be too far behind and if he wins a Modi-level mandate, then we can judge whether he becomes delusional.

Why is Modi so vain? BJP would still be big without him right? Without IK no guarantee what would happen to PTI.

Also kind of understandable why IK would be vain. He had literally everything. Looks, money, fame, etc. Also he was from a well off family, and he went to elite schools. He created a political party from scratch and had to wait 22 years to be PM. Throw in great philanthropist as well.

 

[Kianig89]

BjP a fascist against minorities while PTI has done so much for minorities in the country BJP has corruption Kings while majority of PTI is alien to corruption

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

IK is more like johannie cochran. A tv personality and a lawyer who fought the oj simpson case.

Oj simpson case was a murder trial, but what johnnie cochran pulled off was a change abd building of a narrative. He was able to build a narrative on racism due to the Rodney King riots. Based on that he was able to fool 12 jurrors into letting a murderer get away.

Imran khan is a mordern day Johnnie cochran. He destroyed the country aleconomically and has made us a laughing stock in the foreign relations. Now for Imran to win back people, he has to make sure that 22 carore people fall for a narrative that over looks his mistakes.

The narrative he first used was by showinf himself as someone who stood for the finality of prophethood and fought blasphemy. The second narrative that he build after being kicked out was the foreign conspiracy..

Now narrative would be built in the jope that the people elect him on this.

But the interesting about this OJ case was that in the long run the people accepted their mistake for supporting a murderrer. Thats the thing of a marrative, it cannot stay for long.

This is why kmran is trying to get elections right now because people would be able to remember this narrative.

If elections happen after 1.5-1.8 years till than the people can forget about the propoganda by Imran

Not sure where you are going with this. What does Johnny Cochrane (or however it is spelled) have to do with Pakistan? You do live in Pakistan right? If this is a criticism of the US legal system then just say so. I know you were praising the Pakistan constitution just a few days back so presumably you prefer their way of doing things.

 

[Major]

Not sure where you are going with this. What does Johnny Cochrane (or however it is spelled) have to do with Pakistan? You do live in Pakistan right? If this is a criticism of the US legal system then just say so. I know you were praising the Pakistan constitution just a few days back so presumably you prefer their way of doing things.

Looks like it was difficult for you to comprehend.

My post was about creating false narratives. Jonnie cochran did that succesfully, and now imran is also doing that

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like it was difficult for you to comprehend.

My post was about creating false narratives. Jonnie cochran did that succesfully, and now imran is also doing that

How many people in Pakistan would even know who Johnny Cochrane or OJ is? Do you even have any idea of the country you live in?

 

[Pakpak]

One targets a minority in speeches while his ministers call for Muslims to be raped

The other wants corrupt politicians to return looted money and wants to finish corruption

One was banned from travel and under him thousands of Muslims were killed, raped, burnt in just days in his state

The other has never had anything like that


Yes. They're exactly the same.

Morons.

 

[Major]

How many people in Pakistan would even know who Johnny Cochrane or OJ is? Do you even have any idea of the country you live in?

Nvm, the whole post went over your head..

It was about how each of them worked in creating a false narrative

 

[pillionrider]

Man you stole my post!!!! I was going to create the OP!!!

But well done. Agree 100%

Haha yeah. I see you posted something similar on another thread before this one was created.

Why is Modi so vain? BJP would still be big without him right? Without IK no guarantee what would happen to PTI.

Modi is vain because his party won on his face. That's the reality. Sure, there are several senior leaders who are way more competent and not as polarizing and cheap... but he wins them elections and so these guys are quiet and mostly sidelined.

 

[pillionrider]

IK has an establishment he has to fight against. In India Modi is the establishment.

The rest look like cable sent from a minutes from a kitty party the OP had. That’s the intellectual depth of the opening post pretty much.

Thank you for your participation which reinforced some of the points in the OP.

Also informative to know that kitty parties are still a thing in your part of the world.

Local Dada. Will keep your name in mind and picture you peeping through the window into a kitty party, the next time I read a post from you

 

[Technics 1210]

Most of the similarities can be found between many political parties around the world.

 

[Varun]

The similarity is more between their supporters than they themselves.

Even I had a soft spot for Modi in 2014-15 and definitely for Imran Khan from across the border, but their supporters turn people like me off so quickly.

I wonder if Imran Khan has the Pakistani equivalent of "Godi Media" - Arnab, Navika etc.

 

[RajBan]

The similarity is more between their supporters than they themselves.

Even I had a soft spot for Modi in 2014-15 and definitely for Imran Khan from across the border, but their supporters turn people like me off so quickly.

I wonder if Imran Khan has the Pakistani equivalent of "Godi Media" - Arnab, Navika etc.

Absolutely plus sophisticated folks like Pirzada who are masters in cooking up conspiracy theories that apparently educated folks digest very well.

Infact IK has copied Modi, Trump and Erdogan and tried to better them .

 

[uberkoen]

It's even worse.

I'm shocked at some of the comments I see from his supporters. Just now [MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION] in another thread called for violence and riots to remove the democratically elected government of Pakistan in order to put Imran Khan back in power and said after that Imran Khan should hang the 5 judges of the supreme court and setup how own judges to try everyone who went against him as a traitor and hang them.

This is what PTI and their followers are out on the streets for. This is what they want a fascist government where no one else has a voice and if someone dares to speak up he is tried of treason and hung.

 

[Kriketer]

One can only face-palm at this comparison. One is a known banned terrorist who only came to power by hate speech who doesn't have any education and can't put two words together. Another is a gifted born leader who talks brilliant sense and promotes peace and harmony and wants corruption/poverty to end.

One uses agenda to revenge the Muslim Moghuls ghulami of centuries in subcontinent, while another's agenda is to bring progress and peace. Drastic difference between the two. Followers share the same mindset as one can see how polluted minds tend to be of Modi fans with hate speech all around social media and episodes in India, while IK supporters never promote hatred and only talk about honesty in the system and throwing away corrupt politicians out of the system.

 

[uberkoen]

One can only face-palm at this comparison. One is a known banned terrorist who only came to power by hate speech who doesn't have any education and can't put two words together. Another is a gifted born leader who talks brilliant sense and promotes peace and harmony and wants corruption/poverty to end.

One uses agenda to revenge the Muslim Moghuls ghulami of centuries in subcontinent, while another's agenda is to bring progress and peace. Drastic difference between the two. Followers share the same mindset as one can see how polluted minds tend to be of Modi fans with hate speech all around social media and episodes in India, while IK supporters never promote hatred and only talk about honesty in the system and throwing away corrupt politicians out of the system.

I read that part and immediately thought you were talking about Khan. Khan is the one who referred to Bin Laden as a martyr. Khan is the one who aligned himself with right-wing religious parties such as Tahir Ul qadri's and TLP. Khan is the one who aligned himself with Taliban. Khan is the one who said that declaration of Islamophobia day in the UN is the biggest victory since the Ahmedi law was enacted in Pakistan. Khan is the one who said women should dress modestly to avoid being raped.

The only difference between the two is that one in Hindu and the other is Muslim. Otherwise they follow the exact same path.

IK supporters not promoting hatred is the biggest lie i've ever heard. If IK talked about honesty in the system he would not have attempted a coup and would have stepped aside respectfully without making a mockery of our democratic system and our constitution. Khan wouldn't be holding speeches everyday calling for the heads of the 5 judges of the supreme court.

 

[IMMY69]

It's even worse.

I'm shocked at some of the comments I see from his supporters. Just now [MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION] in another thread called for violence and riots to remove the democratically elected government of Pakistan in order to put Imran Khan back in power and said after that Imran Khan should hang the 5 judges of the supreme court and setup how own judges to try everyone who went against him as a traitor and hang them.

This is what PTI and their followers are out on the streets for. This is what they want a fascist government where no one else has a voice and if someone dares to speak up he is tried of treason and hung.

Is that what CJ did?

I think it's apt so say that when someone is cornered or are separate they show passion and fight which can be attributed to other people in similar positions.
Look at this PDM movement. A team of crooks and murderers who knew their time was eventually going to up and so we're cornered and so they engineered this political coup. Their few supporters also showed similar traits but as they thankfully in the minority, the PTI naturally gets all the attention.

 

[Rajdeep]

The fact that a tea-seller in a railway station and floor cleaner in RSS office could become the PM one day itself is a testimony of thriving democracy in India.

Modi is a self made politician who worked his way up in ranks. He has been the most successful Gujrat CM for 2 terms and made that state one of the most developed in India. His performance both as a CM and now as PM speaks for itself.

Imran was an ATG cricketer who used his popularity to join politics and become PM. He is not a seasoned politician just like Trump.

I have posted this in another thread that there is startling similarity between Imran Khan and Donald Trump. Both have charismatic personality, both from non-political background, their fans love them blindly, both promised much in election rallies but actual performance was mostly restricted to twitter. Both got unceremoniously and prematurely ousted from office within 4 years. Trump blamed foreign hand in election rigging which led to his ouster and Imran is also blaming foreign hand for his removal. Both tried to instigate their fans using social media knowing they have lost democratically. Trump Supporters swarmed the Capitol Hill and protests in other parts of USA. We see similar protests by PTI supporters across Pakistan. Now Trump want to president again in 2024 and so does Imran who wants to become PM again.

Comparing Modi with Imran is a joke. Modi has diligently followed every law in the constitution. There was a NCM vote against him in 2018, he was present in parliament, accepted the NCM, gave a historic speech and moved on. Its a different story that he won that NCM vote by landslide margin. Imran was not even present in parliament and used his powers to disrupt the motion multiple times before Supreme court had to intervene. Remember Ataj Bihari Vajpayee lost NCM by 1 vote and resigned in parliament.

As far as supporters are concerned, it is for or less for every political party. OP is too young but he should research how fanatic Indira Gandhi's supporters were back in the day. So I dont want to discuss much about supporters bcoz they will always back their leaders whom they adore. Discussion should be about the leader himself and that is where Modi trounce everyone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The fact that a tea-seller in a railway station and floor cleaner in RSS office could become the PM one day itself is a testimony of thriving democracy in India.

Modi is a self made politician who worked his way up in ranks. He has been the most successful Gujrat CM for 2 terms and made that state one of the most developed in India. His performance both as a CM and now as PM speaks for itself.

Imran was an ATG cricketer who used his popularity to join politics and become PM. He is not a seasoned politician just like Trump.

I have posted this in another thread that there is startling similarity between Imran Khan and Donald Trump. Both have charismatic personality, both from non-political background, their fans love them blindly, both promised much in election rallies but actual performance was mostly restricted to twitter. Both got unceremoniously and prematurely ousted from office within 4 years. Trump blamed foreign hand in election rigging which led to his ouster and Imran is also blaming foreign hand for his removal. Both tried to instigate their fans using social media knowing they have lost democratically. Trump Supporters swarmed the Capitol Hill and protests in other parts of USA. We see similar protests by PTI supporters across Pakistan. Now Trump want to president again in 2024 and so does Imran who wants to become PM again.

Comparing Modi with Imran is a joke. Modi has diligently followed every law in the constitution. There was a NCM vote against him in 2018, he was present in parliament, accepted the NCM, gave a historic speech and moved on. Its a different story that he won that NCM vote by landslide margin. Imran was not even present in parliament and used his powers to disrupt the motion multiple times before Supreme court had to intervene. Remember Ataj Bihari Vajpayee lost NCM by 1 vote and resigned in parliament.

As far as supporters are concerned, it is for or less for every political party. OP is too young but he should research how fanatic Indira Gandhi's supporters were back in the day. So I dont want to discuss much about supporters bcoz they will always back their leaders whom they adore. Discussion should be about the leader himself and that is where Modi trounce everyone.

I love the idea of democracy, but I wouldn't be bragging about an uneducated tea seller becoming PM of a country if I was truly hoping for progress. Especially one who came to power on promoting hate and division amongst his own people. But this is me speaking as a true Brit, how your logic works may be somewhat different.

 

[Rana]

One targets a minority in speeches while his ministers call for Muslims to be raped

The other wants corrupt politicians to return looted money and wants to finish corruption

One was banned from travel and under him thousands of Muslims were killed, raped, burnt in just days in his state

The other has never had anything like that


Yes. They're exactly the same.

Morons.

The other also throws minorities under the bus to ensure they have the radical Muslim vote

 

[Rajdeep]

I love the idea of democracy, but I wouldn't be bragging about an uneducated tea seller becoming PM of a country if I was truly hoping for progress. Especially one who came to power on promoting hate and division amongst his own people. But this is me speaking as a true Brit, how your logic works may be somewhat different.

India has progressed the most under Modi. As a brit you should know that how David Cameron before and now Boris lined up to him for business & trade. And if you dont believe in anything, listen to what Imran Khan himself had to say about India about how no super power can dictate us. You think a non-progressive nation will have such clout?

As far as Modi coming to power by hate speech is concerned, it is your perception how you see things. In a democracy, people vote a party/person to power. Modi has won people's trust 2 times as Gujarat CM and now twice as Indian PM. So you saying those millions of Indians are voting for him even though he is giving hate speech? LOL. It is the essence of a democracy that people's verdict is the last word and losers of the world who cant win election hides under hate speech excuse.

I have also read in this thread some mentioned about how Modi mistreated Indian minorities and how Imran treated minorities in Pakistan so very well. Its one of the most hilarious arguements. Pakistan constitution says that no non-muslims can EVER become PM/President/VP/Speaker or in most public life. So minorities wings are already cut there by default. Its then get easy to show some twitter compassion with them and potray to the world how good we are treating minorities. Change Pakistan's constitution, make it as inclusive as India and then I want to see how good minorities gets treated there....LOL.

In India there are islaminc parties like AIMIM, Christian Catholic parties, Parties representing Sikhs like Akali Dal, parties representing backward class like BSP etc. Anyone can become PM if their party wins election. And all that in a country where 80% are hindus. This is the beauty of Indian democracy. I would like to see Pakistan becomes democracy like this and Imran Khan still showering love on minorities and then I will kneel down and accept he is great.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India has progressed the most under Modi. As a brit you should know that how David Cameron before and now Boris lined up to him for business & trade. And if you dont believe in anything, listen to what Imran Khan himself had to say about India about how no super power can dictate us. You think a non-progressive nation will have such clout?

As far as Modi coming to power by hate speech is concerned, it is your perception how you see things. In a democracy, people vote a party/person to power. Modi has won people's trust 2 times as Gujarat CM and now twice as Indian PM. So you saying those millions of Indians are voting for him even though he is giving hate speech? LOL. It is the essence of a democracy that people's verdict is the last word and losers of the world who cant win election hides under hate speech excuse.

I have also read in this thread some mentioned about how Modi mistreated Indian minorities and how Imran treated minorities in Pakistan so very well. Its one of the most hilarious arguements. Pakistan constitution says that no non-muslims can EVER become PM/President/VP/Speaker or in most public life. So minorities wings are already cut there by default. Its then get easy to show some twitter compassion with them and potray to the world how good we are treating minorities. Change Pakistan's constitution, make it as inclusive as India and then I want to see how good minorities gets treated there....LOL.

In India there are islaminc parties like AIMIM, Christian Catholic parties, Parties representing Sikhs like Akali Dal, parties representing backward class like BSP etc. Anyone can become PM if their party wins election. And all that in a country where 80% are hindus. This is the beauty of Indian democracy. I would like to see Pakistan becomes democracy like this and Imran Khan still showering love on minorities and then I will kneel down and accept he is great.

Brits see India as a giant market to progress our own nation. We are the sellers, not the buyers. We also place great stock in education. I don't think you would get an illiterate tea seller becoming PM of this country any time soon, regardless of how popular he became due to hate speech.

 

[Varun]

Brits see India as a giant market to progress our own nation. We are the sellers, not the buyers.

India is the second largest investor in the UK. On the other hand, the UK ranks at #18 as a trading partner of India.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...source-of-fdi-for-uk/articleshow/76897637.cms

 

[amax]

Both Imran and Modi have messiah complex which is their biggest downside

but plenty of postitves going for both as well, hardworking , challenging status co of dynastic politics , no corruption charges on both, take pride appropriating local cultural dresses at highest levels*, at top loyal to what they believe in for their nations.

 

[Rajdeep]

Brits see India as a giant market to progress our own nation. We are the sellers, not the buyers. We also place great stock in education. I don't think you would get an illiterate tea seller becoming PM of this country any time soon, regardless of how popular he became due to hate speech.

LOL you do realize right that trading involves both buying and selling? The fact that Britain sees India as a lucrative market to sell its good itself shows its a progressive nation. Also pls go to the IMF website and educate yourself about Indian export goods to Great Britain. I cant educate you on everything.

Also, by mentioning tea seller multiple times you are just wasting your time. As I said, in a democracy anyone can become PM if he has people's mandate. Its the basis of parliamentary democracy. The constitution is same for Britain...pls go and have a read. There is no clause of education. Tomorrow you can start a party and if people likes you, and you win majority...you can be PM of Britain too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is the second largest investor in the UK. On the other hand, the UK ranks at #18 as a trading partner of India.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...source-of-fdi-for-uk/articleshow/76897637.cms

Somehow Britain is still a first world nation and India looks like Pakistan despite all your links and economic data. Maybe in 2020...oops! 2021....oops!...2030. Watch this space.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Wow wow wow

What a hit thread.

There are some differences of course but the similarities are unreal.

And the biggest similarity is...

The nation GHANTA progressed under them cos both of them aren't good at MACRO level decisions.

Of course, there are always nice ways to present a rosy picture which I am sure will find its way in this thread very soon by both their supporters.

Another similarity is:

Imran taking on the Army is good for the future of Pakistan.

Modi targeting corruption and BJP making sure government schemes reach the downtrodden (atleast better than opposition parties - eg UP) has destroyed the Chalta hai attitude...which is good for India.

 

[Varun]

Somehow Britain is still a first world nation and India looks like Pakistan despite all your links and economic data. Maybe in 2020...oops! 2021....oops!...2030. Watch this space.

Yes that's all fine, but you'd do well to type up an accurate post on the first attempt.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Somehow Britain is still a first world nation and India looks like Pakistan despite all your links and economic data. Maybe in 2020...oops! 2021....oops!...2030. Watch this space.

Captain saab...aap goalpost ko change kar rahe ho.

Anyways, Britain is a first world country.

India is not.

But one is a declining country while another is rising.

Give it 20-30 years and India would be in a lot better shape.

All fingers crossed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wow wow wow

What a hit thread.

There are some differences of course but the similarities are unreal.

And the biggest similarity is...

The nation GHANTA progressed under them cos both of them aren't good at MACRO level decisions.

Of course, there are always nice ways to present a rosy picture which I am sure will find its way in this thread very soon by both their supporters.

Another similarity is:

Imran taking on the Army is good for the future of Pakistan.

Modi targeting corruption and BJP making sure government schemes reach the downtrodden (atleast better than opposition parties - eg UP) has destroyed the Chalta hai attitude...which is good for India.

A better comparison might be Modi and Mullah Umar of Afghan fame. Would that not be another hit thread?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Captain saab...aap goalpost ko change kar rahe ho.

Anyways, Britain is a first world country.

India is not.

But one is a declining country while another is rising.

Give it 20-30 years and India would be in a lot better shape.

All fingers crossed.

We'll see about that. China must have thought similar a few years ago, now they are watching Russia with increasing realisation of who calls the shots.

 

[oatmeal]

There are a lot of similarities but one difference is that Modi supporters are driven by perceived social and cultural grievances, but Imran supporters are driven by economic grievances.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

India is the second largest investor in the UK. On the other hand, the UK ranks at #18 as a trading partner of India.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...source-of-fdi-for-uk/articleshow/76897637.cms

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[Rajdeep]

Wow wow wow

What a hit thread.

There are some differences of course but the similarities are unreal.

And the biggest similarity is...

The nation GHANTA progressed under them cos both of them aren't good at MACRO level decisions.

Of course, there are always nice ways to present a rosy picture which I am sure will find its way in this thread very soon by both their supporters.

Another similarity is:

Imran taking on the Army is good for the future of Pakistan.

Modi targeting corruption and BJP making sure government schemes reach the downtrodden (atleast better than opposition parties - eg UP) has destroyed the Chalta hai attitude...which is good for India.

I agree that this thread has potential to become a blockbuster thread. OP has cleverly tagged passionate supporters of both group to make his thread an instant hit. Legend

 

[Markhor]

The fact that a tea-seller in a railway station and floor cleaner in RSS office could become the PM one day itself is a testimony of thriving democracy in India.

Modi is a self made politician who worked his way up in ranks. He has been the most successful Gujrat CM for 2 terms and made that state one of the most developed in India. His performance both as a CM and now as PM speaks for itself.

Imran was an ATG cricketer who used his popularity to join politics and become PM. He is not a seasoned politician just like Trump.

I have posted this in another thread that there is startling similarity between Imran Khan and Donald Trump. Both have charismatic personality, both from non-political background, their fans love them blindly, both promised much in election rallies but actual performance was mostly restricted to twitter. Both got unceremoniously and prematurely ousted from office within 4 years. Trump blamed foreign hand in election rigging which led to his ouster and Imran is also blaming foreign hand for his removal. Both tried to instigate their fans using social media knowing they have lost democratically. Trump Supporters swarmed the Capitol Hill and protests in other parts of USA. We see similar protests by PTI supporters across Pakistan. Now Trump want to president again in 2024 and so does Imran who wants to become PM again.

Comparing Modi with Imran is a joke. Modi has diligently followed every law in the constitution. There was a NCM vote against him in 2018, he was present in parliament, accepted the NCM, gave a historic speech and moved on. Its a different story that he won that NCM vote by landslide margin. Imran was not even present in parliament and used his powers to disrupt the motion multiple times before Supreme court had to intervene. Remember Ataj Bihari Vajpayee lost NCM by 1 vote and resigned in parliament.

As far as supporters are concerned, it is for or less for every political party. OP is too young but he should research how fanatic Indira Gandhi's supporters were back in the day. So I dont want to discuss much about supporters bcoz they will always back their leaders whom they adore. Discussion should be about the leader himself and that is where Modi trounce everyone.

I would agree with most of this although I wouldn't necessarily share the adulation for Modi. Modi does have similarities with Trump with his stubborn denial of scientific reality by continuing to campaign and allowing religious festivals even during the height of the pandemic which undeniably cost lives.

Although supporters of Modi, Imran and Trump are generally right-leaning, this behaviour is also seen on the left with Sanders and Corbyn fans online with their tendency to label their opponents corrupt or not true believers in the cause.

It's partly a symptom of toxic social media culture where political debates are more about "destroying or humiliating" your opponents instead of constructively engaging with them and online algorithms that reinforce existing beliefs.

 

[Mamoon]

There might be similarities between their supporters but there are no similarities between themselves.

Modi is a seasoned politician. Imran is not fit to tie his shoelaces.

Out of interest, what is Modi’s source of income? Is he also a freeloader like Imran and sponsored by shady businessman?

 

[pillionrider]

Out of interest, what is Modi’s source of income? Is he also a freeloader like Imran and sponsored by shady businessman?

Modi during election capmpaigns in Gujarat and the 2014 national election brazenly flew around in Adani's private jets, with the company name proudly emblazoned on them. Adani has since been rewarded with project after project and has rocketed through the richest man alive charts.

 

[Major]

Does modi praise his social media activist? Or call them keyboard warriors?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

One can only face-palm at this comparison. who only came to power by hate speech who doesn't have any education

Can you please provide some legitimate source to prove your "Hate Speech" propaganda?
Modi never said anything against to one particular religion unlike Imran who keep ranting on Twitter.

Modi has been invited with a red carpet by all Major Muslim powers and he was honored with the highest civilian awards of their nation.

 

[Varun]

There might be similarities between their supporters but there are no similarities between themselves.

Modi is a seasoned politician. Imran is not fit to tie his shoelaces.

Out of interest, what is Modi’s source of income? Is he also a freeloader like Imran and sponsored by shady businessman?

Yes.

And he doesn't even hide it - the new stadium at Motera for example is a vanity project. It's called the Narendra Modi stadium and the two ends are the Adani and Ambani ends. The seats are also bright orange (saffron) despite complaints by Indian and English cricketers during the series last year that it interferes with sighting the ball.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

BjP a fascist against minorities while PTI has done so much for minorities in the country BJP has corruption Kings while majority of PTI is alien to corruption

So much for minorities? ohh Bhai

The blast at a Shia mosque in Pakistan’s Peshawar Friday — which left at least 30 people dead and over 50 injured — is hardly the first time that this minority Muslim community has suffered terrorist or sectarian violence in the country.

https://theprint.in/world/bus-ambush-riot-blasts-at-friday-prayers-pakistans-bloody-history-of-violence-against-shias/858783/

At least 509 members of the Hazara community have been killed and 627 injured in militant attacks in Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province, over the last five years, according to a March report by Pakistan’s National Commission on Human Rights. Hazara leaders assert that the number killed was actually much higher.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/04/30/pakistans-hazara-community-under-attack


The sit-in started hours after 24 people were killed and dozens injured in a bomb blast at a vegetable market in the south-western city.
Many victims are mainly Shia Muslims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47921535


The Hazara have not been the only targets of militant violence in Quetta – attacks on security forces in Quetta killed at least 19 members of security forces in 2018.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/04/30/pakistans-hazara-community-under-attack

Mob vandalises Hindu temple in Rahim Yar Khan

RAHIM YAR KHAN: A video clip of a mob attacking a Hindu temple in Rahim Yar Khan has gone viral on social media, prompting Prime Minister Imran Khan to take notice of the incident..

According to media reports, a mob of over two dozen people vandalised the Sidhi Vinayak temple, MNA Ramesh Kumar Vankwani was quoted as saying.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/363586-pm-...rahim-yar-khan

Hinglaj Mata temple destroyed in Pakistan's Sindh, 11th such incident in 22 months
https://www.timesnownews.com/interna...-months/853284

An 18-year-old Hindu girl, Pooja Oad, was reportedly shot dead in Rohi, Sukkur, during a failed abduction attempt.
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/2022/...mpt-in-sukkur/

 

[Kriketer]

I read that part and immediately thought you were talking about Khan. Khan is the one who referred to Bin Laden as a martyr. Khan is the one who aligned himself with right-wing religious parties such as Tahir Ul qadri's and TLP. Khan is the one who aligned himself with Taliban. Khan is the one who said that declaration of Islamophobia day in the UN is the biggest victory since the Ahmedi law was enacted in Pakistan. Khan is the one who said women should dress modestly to avoid being raped.

The only difference between the two is that one in Hindu and the other is Muslim. Otherwise they follow the exact same path.

IK supporters not promoting hatred is the biggest lie i've ever heard. If IK talked about honesty in the system he would not have attempted a coup and would have stepped aside respectfully without making a mockery of our democratic system and our constitution. Khan wouldn't be holding speeches everyday calling for the heads of the 5 judges of the supreme court.

Wouldn't bother with the lame run you have posted about Imran Khan. That man is a peace maker and we can see now how you PDM supporters have started licking Modi's boots as well, I mean your leader Shehbaz Sharif did Modi ji mahan nara on the first day when he hijacked the office so you have to follow through after all. Regardless all the differences, Imran wanted peace with India and peace and justice in Indian illegally Occupied Kashmir. I mean no better example of peace and harmony than Imran returning the disgraced humiliated wing commander of India who came to drop bombs on Pakistanis.

As for all the posters who are trying really hard to compare graceful educated well spoken Imran with a disgraceful uneducated tea seller Modi are only fooling themselves, or are simply taking frustration out of Imran Khan and his tsunami of supporters who will have him back. Joke of a comparison with day and night of difference in personalities and supporters, good thing is frustrations are different from facts

 

[MenInG]

There might be similarities between their supporters but there are no similarities between themselves.

Modi is a seasoned politician. Imran is not fit to tie his shoelaces.

Out of interest, what is Modi’s source of income? Is he also a freeloader like Imran and sponsored by shady businessman?

Try and read up on the Gujarat massacre of Muslims.

 

[oatmeal]

Can you please provide some legitimate source to prove your "Hate Speech" propaganda?
Modi never said anything against to one particular religion unlike Imran who keep ranting on Twitter.

Is this a joke. He has a history of making remarks against Muslims. After becoming PM, most of the hate speech is spread by his IT cell.

There were a lot of incendiary speeches after 2002, he said "hum paanch hamaare pachees", a pun on the family planning slogan "hum do, hamaare do" complaining that muslims have too many children. Then there is the interview where he compared muslims killed to a puppy dying under his car. Few years ago , he said "if a kabristan is constructed, then a shamshaan should be constructed too, if you give electricity on Eid, you should give it on Diwali too".

And these are just overt examples. Modi doesnt need to get his hands dirty because the media, police and judiciary can do it for him

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Is this a joke. He has a history of making remarks against Muslims. After becoming PM, most of the hate speech is spread by his IT cell.

There were a lot of incendiary speeches after 2002, he said "hum paanch hamaare pachees", a pun on the family planning slogan "hum do, hamaare do" complaining that muslims have too many children. Then there is the interview where he compared muslims killed to a puppy dying under his car. Few years ago , he said "if a kabristan is constructed, then a shamshaan should be constructed too, if you give electricity on Eid, you should give it on Diwali too".

And these are just overt examples. Modi doesnt need to get his hands dirty because the media, police and judiciary can do it for him

What is there?

I don't see any hate, he didn't name any religion.

 

[oatmeal]

What is there?

I don't see any hate, he didn't name any religion.

Most people werent born yesterday.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Most people werent born yesterday.

You need to spend more hours to find out his hate speech videos , I am sure you can't find anything.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The OP of this thread shows a few things, I'll try to list them down

1. OP's source of understanding of the nuance of Pakistani politics is non-existent.

2. The ability to make deductions based on the nuance henceforth makes the entire reasoning and causal analysis flawed at best, intellectual dishonesty at worst.

3. The assumptions within the thread e.g. PTI supporters cannot handle criticism etc. are just too generic to be replied to. Of course, when a party has close to 20-25 million voters and in various different socio-eco spectrums, the best thing to do is to bookmark and stereotype them in a single genre, right?

PTI is a reactionary party, it's here because the system has failed people so much and for so long that even a pipedream offers them a sense of comfort. It will, of course, have some similarities with many parties across the world because all reactionary movements harbor a sense of injustice at their core and a hope/plan to fix those issues in the system.

Imran's polarity really clouds the judgment of people who come and critique him. Such is the sad state of affairs.

 

[pillionrider]

Another similarity - control of the press and a perceived decline in freedom of speech in media including attacks on journalists.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Another similarity - control of the press and a perceived decline in freedom of speech in media including attacks on journalists.

Bro, are you Talking about Rana Ayyub

 

[Sidilicious]

Another similarity - control of the press and a perceived decline in freedom of speech in media including attacks on journalists.

It’s fun to see supporters of both sides desperately trying to defend their messiahs.

 

[Romali_rotti]

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Overseas Supporters:
The non-resident Indian or Pakistani seems among the biggest fans of the two leaders and are willing to spend hours defending their leader and fighting and belittling anyone who opposes them.

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It's pretty clear NRI's are the reason why Modichayan keeps winning election after election... Clearly the Indians in India don't want PM Modi and are lesser fans than the NRIs.....

I just don't know why the Indians in India cant see the light and make the Harvard graduate Raul Puppu as the Indian PM....

Afterall supposedly Raul Puppu reminded the OP of Imran Khan...

 

[pillionrider]

Bro, are you Talking about Rana Ayyub

Don't care or know much about her. She is a Muslim female journalist which is a pretty good achievment in Modi's India. But that's about it. I'd believe Tehelka over her when they claim her investigations into Gujarat were full of holes.

Clearly the Indians in India don't want PM Modi and are lesser fans than the NRIs.....

You don't need to do a long jump into conclusions just because you see my username. The OP clearly states and humbly accepts that Modiji won the people's mandate twice, convincingly.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

It's pretty clear NRI's are the reason why Modichayan keeps winning election after election... Clearly the Indians in India don't want PM Modi and are lesser fans than the NRIs.....

I just don't know why the Indians in India cant see the light and make the Harvard graduate Raul Puppu as the Indian PM....

Afterall supposedly Raul Puppu reminded the OP of Imran Khan...

Don't take armchair online posters rants seriously. End of the its people choice, common people know what is good for them.

 

[Local.Dada]

It’s fun to see supporters of both sides desperately trying to defend their messiahs.

I think if you look for similarities you can list such similarities for anything and everything.

It’s like saying Akash Ambani and Zuckerberg have a lot of similarities. They both are billionaire corporates who own huge stock in a big company, they both are non-muslims etc lol.

Fans of Imran Khan’s politics are fans of Imran Khan. His party can be called 1992 WC and still he will be in the news and have supporters who will vote for him.

Modi fans/ followers are mostly supporters of BJP or even the entire ecosystem RSS/VHP etc . There are people I personally know who don’t like Modi but will still vote for BJP.

Yes Modi has that cult of personality just like most populist world leaders.

If Modi is out of the equation, people will still vote for the next guy representing BJP. Same can’t be said for IK’s party.

IK is from an elite upbringing. Modi comes from a very humble background. That’s the charm and appeal they both bring in.

As I said the OP is looking at this at a very high/binary level. Understandable because probably he is trying to draw equivalence to humor our Pakistani friends.

There is absolutely zero similarities. I can go on and on with more differences than similarities but I don’t want to push it so will leave it at that.

 

[Clueless]

The OP of this thread shows a few things, I'll try to list them down

1. OP's source of understanding of the nuance of Pakistani(Indian) politics is non-existent.

2. The ability to make deductions based on the nuance henceforth makes the entire reasoning and causal analysis flawed at best, intellectual dishonesty at worst.

3. The assumptions within the thread e.g. PTI(BJP/RSS) supporters cannot handle criticism etc. are just too generic to be replied to. Of course, when a party has close to 20-25 million (200-250 million) voters and in various different socio-eco spectrums, the best thing to do is to bookmark and stereotype them in a single genre, right?

PTI(BJP) is a reactionary party, it's here because the system has failed people so much and for so long that even a pipedream offers them a sense of comfort. It will, of course, have some similarities with many parties across the world because all reactionary movements harbor a sense of injustice at their core and a hope/plan to fix those issues in the system.

Imran's (Modi's) polarity really clouds the judgment of people who come and critique him. Such is the sad state of affairs.

Not much change needed and we get replies from east of Wagah border prepared