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"Mohammad Abbas would get me out every time within about 6 balls" : Michael Vaughan

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having watched Mahammad Abbas now for over a year ... I have decided he would get me out every time within about 6 balls ... The type of bowler i would poop my pants about ... Thought I would let you all know ... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1052458321389789184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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High praise by the ex English skipper for Abbas:

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That's some praise from the English man.

Abbas is improving day by day, especially on these dead pitches. It's simply outstanding.
 
Its very high praise tbh but they way abbas has bowled on these dead tracks is incredible! cant remember last time any fast bowler looking so threatening in UAE.
 
5 wickets for abbas today. His 3rd 5 wicket haul. Improving everyday.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Faced him last month with storm Ali up his backside....lasted 1 ball first innings and somehow survived the huge LBW shout 1st ball in the 2nd innings!! Had me on toast <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/unplayable?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#unplayable</a> <a href="https://t.co/R2ZgipHxrb">https://t.co/R2ZgipHxrb</a></p>— Paul Collingwood (@Colly622) <a href="https://twitter.com/Colly622/status/1052504330895413249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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"A nation obsessed with pace has fallen in love with a guy who barely bowls above 130 kph"


but but but there are some on here who are like, pace is pace yaar :ma


They are probably missing phasst shuper dhuper enforcher Wahab Riaz
 
I wonder whether those who mocked the bowlers of yesteryear as 'harmless trundlers' would think twice about that statement. Also, maybe Abbas could help develop some line n length bowlers and halt the 140+ hype
 
It’s weird to see how every hype created by a western player makes it an ego boosting contest between Indian and Pakistani fans. Are we that desperate to get some attention from our former colonial masters?
 
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Angrez Pakistani said:
It’s weird to see how every hype created by a western player makes it an ego boosting contest between Indian and Pakistani fans. Are we that desperate to get some attention from our former colonial masters?
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There are people who have good opinions, there are people who have bad opinions and then there are people who have opinions about other people's opinions while they sit on their high horse.


Nobody likes the third group.
 
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Syed1 said:
There are people who have good opinions, there are people who have bad opinions and then there are people who have opinions about other people's opinions while they sit on their high horse.


Nobody likes the third group.
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Sweet sweet irony.
 
Very, very impressed with Abbas. To get all the wickets he has been getting on unhelpful UAE tracks is super impressive. Has totally outbowled Starc.

28 years old and has played only 9 Tests, Pakistan should have had him as a regular earlier.

Also impressed by Fakhar's Test debut. Pakistan has one very good young batsman for all formats.
 
I think Vaughan & Colly are having a bit of a laugh but Vaughan is doing the English humility/self deprecating humour thing of saying Abbas is a bit like McGrath & Pollock whom Vaughan was often uncomfortable against.

PS. Yes, PPer's, you can bring up series where he scored runs against them perhaps, but it's just a bowling type he hated- the skill full nibbler (which PP often mistakes for the Trundler)
 
Syed1 said:
"A nation obsessed with pace has fallen in love with a guy who barely bowls above 130 kph"


but but but there are some on here who are like, pace is pace yaar :ma


They are probably missing phasst shuper dhuper enforcher Wahab Riaz
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I got say I thought he would fall away but he is getting better and looks a beast. As far as the attack goes, we need balance through pace and variety. In many ways he is the best PK bowler since Asif
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
True. I agree that Abbas is a world class bowler. My point is that why do we need a validation from a white guy to know that he’s a great bowler? Why do Indians and Pakistanis have to fight over a comment that is exclusive to a player of one country and had nothing to do with the other? All I see is that some ppl demand validation from white folks to boost about how good their players, their culture, their city or their countries are.
I see the irony you have mentioned and I own up to the fact that I live in a world of contradictions.
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Youre the only one who sees this as black, brown or white, others just saw that a previous player who was pretty good is giving him such high praise. People think abbas is a good bowler no matter what anybody says.
 
When you post in a thread and it becomes the OP of a new thread :mv
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AFM said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having watched Mahammad Abbas now for over a year ... I have decided he would get me out every time within about 6 balls ... The type of bowler i would poop my pants about ... Thought I would let you all know ... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1052458321389789184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Napa said:
Very, very impressed with Abbas. To get all the wickets he has been getting on unhelpful UAE tracks is super impressive. Has totally outbowled Starc.

28 years old and has played only 9 Tests, Pakistan should have had him as a regular earlier.

Also impressed by Fakhar's Test debut. Pakistan has one very good young batsman for all formats.
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Plenty of folks on twitter sharing that his first class average was around 30 till 2013/4. He put in the hard yards over the next three years (averaging mid teens) to be considered for selection. Hence debuting late.
 
90MPH said:
Because it’s a totally different game.

The white ball will do nothing for him.

He should just stick to Tests where he has been amazing so far.
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His list A stats are solid
 
Vaughn is hardly the most cerebral thinker of the game out there. He goes over the top in his assessment of players, who manage to have a good day.
 
Lol, well getting Michael Vaughan out wasn't exactly the toughest job in the world. A talented batsman who under achieved, had the best cover drive in the world but perhaps his knees and lack of fitness hurt his career.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
It’s weird to see how every hype created by a western player makes it an ego boosting contest between Indian and Pakistani fans. Are we that desperate to get some attention from our former colonial masters?
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Perhaps you can see it in a way that a top former player is praising a current player. I am sure if these remarks would have come from any one from West Indies, Sri Lanka or India you still would have seen a thread on PP.
 
90MPH said:
Because it’s a totally different game.

The white ball will do nothing for him.

He should just stick to Tests where he has been amazing so far.
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Good bowlers adjust to formats.

Atleast deserves a chance when there's a spot open. Imagine him getting early wickets every time
 
He does seem like he wil take a wicket ever over. Very intelligent bolwer, who has the skill to move the ball and hit the right areas reguarly. Will be very interesting to watch him bowl in South Africa.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
True. I agree that Abbas is a world class bowler. My point is that why do we need a validation from a white guy to know that he’s a great bowler? Why do Indians and Pakistanis have to fight over a comment that is exclusive to a player of one country and had nothing to do with the other? All I see is that some ppl demand validation from white folks to boost about how good their players, their culture, their city or their countries are.
I see the irony you have mentioned and I own up to the fact that I live in a world of contradictions.
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Micheal Vaughan is a batsmen, was a captain, his opinion matter.

No one mentioned his race but, you did.
 
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Amazing praise.

Coming from Broad also means a lot. His county stints in future are a CONFIRM LOCK.

May even get BBL offers.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
It’s weird to see how every hype created by a western player makes it an ego boosting contest between Indian and Pakistani fans. Are we that desperate to get some attention from our former colonial masters?
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So you think people won't be hyped if it was Chanderpul or Jayawardne who praised Abbas? IMO people are taking Vaughan's comments seriously because he is a former international captain not because of his country.
 
I wonder how Abbass would bowl in Australia. Pakistan have struggled in recent past to find the right kind of bowlers who bowl the right lengths down under...
 
El Generico said:
So you think people won't be hyped if it was Chanderpul or Jayawardne who praised Abbas? IMO people are taking Vaughan's comments seriously because he is a former international captain not because of his country.
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I think I have not explained my point clearly enough on this thread. I think that his comments on Abbas have triggered the keyboard warriors of both India and Pakistan to **** each other off. It is in that context that we don’t need to bring Bumrahs and Yadavs of India into this conversation just because Vaughn has appreciated Abbas. It is also in this context that I say that Pakistanis don’t need any form of validation from an English guy to know that Abbas is a great bowler. Yes I respect Vaughn’s expertise as a former English captain but it’s not worth hyping about just because we want to show our neighbors their place. I’m sorry if somebody got the wrong idea.
 
Abbas is terrific and has been since the start of his career. He keeps it simple, wobbles the ball just a bit, picks the right line and has no problem in bowling boring, by which I mean bowling it just outside off and letting the batsmen miss or block. Over after over, he will do it until the batsmen's patience wears out. It is what McGrath did, it is what made Asif so good, heck even the second tier Vaas was good at it.

Nowadays Jimmy has set the standard for that type of bowling and Abbas is working to match it. I can't remember him ever being out played for long enough.

If he maintains his fitness, confidence and mindset, he will continue picking wickets at a similar rate to those guys I just mentioned.
 
barah_admi said:
Abbas is terrific and has been since the start of his career. He keeps it simple, wobbles the ball just a bit, picks the right line and has no problem in bowling boring, by which I mean bowling it just outside off and letting the batsmen miss or block. Over after over, he will do it until the batsmen's patience wears out. It is what McGrath did, it is what made Asif so good, heck even the second tier Vaas was good at it.

Nowadays Jimmy has set the standard for that type of bowling and Abbas is working to match it. I can't remember him ever being out played for long enough.

If he maintains his fitness, confidence and mindset, he will continue picking wickets at a similar rate to those guys I just mentioned.
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It’s also a lesson for our selectors to pick the guys who have decent temperament in the domestic cricket. First class cricket performances should be the only criteria for selecting players in Test teams.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
It’s also a lesson for our selectors to pick the guys who have decent temperament in the domestic cricket. First class cricket performances should be the only criteria for selecting players in Test teams.
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FC performances should be taken into consideration BUT that is not always necessary. Some seriously good cricketers around the world have not always had the most successful FC performances to begin with, others who were truly spectacular in the domestic game have been abysmal at test level. Mark Ramprakash is the perfect example. I think a good selector can apply a bit of both the domestic performances and that illusive "it".
 
barah_admi said:
FC performances should be taken into consideration BUT that is not always necessary. Some seriously good cricketers around the world have not always had the most successful FC performances to begin with, others who were truly spectacular in the domestic game have been abysmal at test level. Mark Ramprakash is the perfect example. I think a good selector can apply a bit of both the domestic performances and that illusive "it".
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This is true - e.g. James Anderson was playing Lancashire 2nd XI when Duncan Fletcher spotted him. Vaughan himself also had a pretty mediocre FC record when he was picked. BUT it needs to be said in general that Pak need to give more emphasis to quality performers on the domestic circuit - they are ignored too often. Don't even need to mention names I think. We all know who they are on PP.
 
I just hope he plays long and gets to 300 Test wickets at least as he deserves to get there. Pakistan haven't had a pacer who has reached 200 Test wickets since the 2 W's and Imran Khan. He is a fantastic bowler and has gotten off to a great start.
 
County job really helped him polish. Unlike Wahab, he is a thinking bowler. He needs a partner in test and definitely needs to play in ODIs.
 
barah_admi said:
FC performances should be taken into consideration BUT that is not always necessary. Some seriously good cricketers around the world have not always had the most successful FC performances to begin with, others who were truly spectacular in the domestic game have been abysmal at test level. Mark Ramprakash is the perfect example. I think a good selector can apply a bit of both the domestic performances and that illusive "it".
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A first class performer knows the art of getting out of the dog house when need be. A rookie may not have that experience to have enough confidence or concentration to do that. It’s about taking different nuances of domestic performances into account. A bowler who gets fifers on dead tracks are more likely to have them the dead tracks of Dubai. A bowler who gets fifers on seam friendly conditions in domestic cricket is more likely to be successful in English conditions. So without contextualising the domestic performances you can’t select a decent test side.
 
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Great bowler. I guess the most similar bowler we had to him before he came in the side was that Imran Khan guy. The one who had a similar action to Umar Gul. Tbf, he wasn't bad, not super quick but pretty straight and he done okay whenever he played for Pakistan and I didn't feel he deserved all the hate he got on here, as I thought he was decent but Mohammad Abbas is a much better bowler than him. He is our best bowler.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant bowling Mohammad Abbas. We have found a real gem in him, really hope he continues to perform this way. Wonderful work on UAE pitches. Pakistan should aim for a lead in excess of 400, we have the bowling to win this one. Keep going strong boys! &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1052550871391883264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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At this rate he will soon be 7th best Pakistani fast bowler of all time.
I think he can surpass Fazal , Akhtar and Asif in few years.
 
He seems like a great bowler but I've learned to never be too hopeful when it comes to Pakistani players these days, they all fade away.
 
sali said:
County job really helped him polish. Unlike Wahab, he is a thinking bowler. He needs a partner in test and definitely needs to play in ODIs.
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Yes, who would have thought, after some years of taking bundles of five-fers in domestic cricket, at about 15 runs a wicket, that he would be taking bundles of five-fers in international cricket, at a bit more than 15 runs a wickets. England clearly made such a difference.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am only watching & I reckon <a href="https://twitter.com/Mohmmadabbas111?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mohmmadabbas111</a> has had me out 10 times already this morning .... Incredible bowler in all conditions .... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1053188729538596864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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