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Mohammad Amir v Josh Hazlewood

Who is a better bowler?

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it can't be Hazlewood.

Just a stupid bowler who single handily lost Australia the Ashes
 
Hazelwood right now, amir as of right now hasn't proved anything yet in test cricket

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To answer the question, I would go with Josh Hazlewood.

Mohammad Amir was obviously better five years ago, but it will take him some time to reach that same stature again, and he is not tested against any of the stronger batting units apart from New Zealand (after his international return).

I wasn't in the favor of Mohammad Amir making a international return (I'm still not in the favor of it), hence my choice might be a bit biased.
 
How can you compare two pacers, when 1 of them haven't got a chance to play a test match in more than 5 years?
 
Abdul said:
To answer the question, I would go with Josh Hazlewood.

Mohammad Amir was obviously better five years ago, but it will take him some time to reach that same stature again, and he is not tested against any of the stronger batting units apart from New Zealand (after his international return).

I wasn't in the favor of Mohammad Amir making a international return (I'm still not in the favor of it), hence my choice might be a bit biased.
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How is Amir doing in PSL?
 
Hazlewood is certainly an under rated bowler, people love to talk ad nauseam about how meaningless our teasm runs are on our home decks yet surely the opposite must be true for our bowlers who have to toil in dead conditions designed to give them zero help.

67 wickets@24 when bowing mostly on backbreaking decks shows we are dealing with a quality young quick.
 
Need to see Amir in Tests before this can be answered. No doubt that Hazlewood is a fantastic bowler in his own right.
 
Abdul said:
Is it supposed to be a rhetoric question?
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Nope - genuine question.

Have not heard too much news about him since the PSL so assuming he is having an average tournament.
 
msb314 said:
Nope - genuine question.

Have not heard too much news about him since the PSL so assuming he is having an average tournament.
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6 wickets in 5 matches with an economy rate <6.5. Missed a couple of matches due to injury, picked up a hat-trick in the first match. Karachi's batting has been abysmal so the opponents usually have had minimal scoreboard pressure. Sucks that he's playing for such a lulloo team.
 
Abdullah719 said:
6 wickets in 5 matches with an economy rate <6.5. Missed a couple of matches due to injury, picked up a hat-trick in the first match. Karachi's batting has been abysmal so the opponents usually have had minimal scoreboard pressure. Sucks that he's playing for such a lulloo team.
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Oh yea I remember his hattrick now!

Yep that Karachi team is pretty bad. Lahore is also just hanging by a thread (Gayle has been very poor but UA's occasional brilliance has kept them in the hunt)

Quetta have definitely been the surprise package so far. Kinda like the Rajastan Royals of IPL 2008. Their top order of Luke, Shezzy and KP all have done a wonderful job.
 
On topic,

On flat decks, I'll take Hazelwood.

On seaming tracks, they're close but I'll take Amir, because he can be lethal on such tracks.
 
Hazlewood does seem to be improving quickly on decks with some help, he struggled in those two england tests(although he had no runs to play with) but he used the conditions the best of all bowlers both at the basin and adelaide.
 
street cricketer said:
On topic,

On flat decks, I'll take Hazelwood.

On seaming tracks, they're close but I'll take Amir, because he can be lethal on such tracks.
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Hazlewood didn't really do much on flat decks against NZ. It was Starc, Johnson and Lyon who were taking the wickets. Hazlewood came alive in Adelaide where there was assistance.

It was the same case against India. His best showing was in Brisbane, the only pitch that seamed in that series.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Hazlewood didn't really do much on flat decks against NZ. It was Starc, Johnson and Lyon who were taking the wickets. Hazlewood came alive in Adelaide where there was assistance.

It was the same case against India. His best showing was in Brisbane, the only pitch that seamed in that series.
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True but Hazelwood always keeps things tight and never goes for runs, while picking 1 or 2 wickets. So he isn't a liability on flat tracks.

Amir maintains a great line no doubt, but I'm wondering whether he can extract the same bounce similar to a tall bowler like Hazelwood on lifeless tracks.

Who will you choose on flat tracks?
 
street cricketer said:
True but Hazelwood always keeps things tight and never goes for runs, while picking 1 or 2 wickets. So he isn't a liability on flat tracks.

Amir maintains a great line no doubt, but I'm wondering whether he can extract the same bounce similar to a tall bowler like Hazelwood on lifeless tracks.

Who will you choose on flat tracks?
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I would choose Amir on any pitch. From Australia, I would take Starc over Hazlewood on flat tracks. In fact, I'll take the current Starc over Hazlewood on any pitch.
 
Have to laugh at people acting like that gabba deck vs india was some bowler friednly deck, every quick from both sides was hammered at 4+ an over except for hazlewood.

It was a flat deck and without him it would have been a draw.
 
Have to laugh at people who struggle to comprehend. It wasn't a bowler friendly deck but there was assistance and the ball was seaming. It definitely wasn't a flat deck like the other three.
 
Few pitches anywhere at any time were as flat as the scg/mcg pitches from that series but the fact remains the gabba test that year was still massively in favour of the batsman which makes his work on it even more impressive.
 
You get flat pitches like those in UAE/Pakistan every game, with knee high bounce.

I did not take any credit for him. If you didn't know, I've rated him very highly since his debut but the reality is not what's it being made out to be. He hasn't really done that well on flat decks. I've watched every single game.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...st=2;template=results;type=bowling;view=match

Don't like using stats but here they are.
 
trogger said:
Have to laugh at people acting like that gabba deck vs india was some bowler friednly deck, every quick from both sides was hammered at 4+ an over except for hazlewood.

It was a flat deck and without him it would have been a draw.
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To be fair, that Brisbane track had something in it for the bowlers, even if it wasn't a traditional Gabba wicket.

I refuse to believe that Indian bowlers had Australia 6 down chasing a low target on a flat track. The tracks I've seen Indian bowlers do well always had something in it for the bowlers. Our bowlers are as harmless as a puppy on flat tracks.

It's true that Hazelwood bowled well there but I think it was Johnno who basically won you that test. An another 100 runs or so to our 2nd innings total, and I believe we would've had a great chance to win that match.
 
Not really a comparison right now, Amir needs to play 10-15 tests and than we can compare
 
Amir hasn't played tests yet, can't compare. I still went for Amir because of my Pakpassion :))
 
let me put it this way: Hazelwood have far better returns against the Pakistani batsmen vs. Mohammad Aamir against the Australian batsmen.
 
Absurd comparison

Amir will play 4 test matches against England and this will tell a lot about his bowling and where he stands
 
:)) :))) :)))

Come on Aussie posters, even you know it it's not a comparison.

Why?

Because both the bowlers are different. They have a different skillset and obviously Amir is the complete bowler.

He's the strike bowler who can win you Tests with his swing, later down with his reverse and then comes his immaculate line plus bowler's mind.

Hazelwood isn't bad, who said he is? But don't compare with a different bowler who can potentially become an ATG. He can be compared to the liks of Morkel, Junaid Khan, Umar Gul.

Josh, no matter how good he bowls, won't become an ATG with that skillset.
 
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Hawkeye said:
:)) :))) :)))

Come on Aussie posters, even you know it it's not a comparison.

Why?

Because both the bowlers are different. They have a different skillset and obviously Amir is the complete bowler.

He's the strike bowler who can win you Tests with his swing, later down with his reverse and then comes his immaculate line plus bowler's mind.

Hazelwood isn't bad, who said he is? But don't compare with a different bowler who can potentially become an ATG.

Josh, no matter how good he bowls, won't become an ATG with that skillset.
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Who is the greatest fast bowler this millennium?
 
Hawkeye said:
:)) :))) :)))

Come on Aussie posters, even you know it it's not a comparison.

Why?

Because both the bowlers are different. They have a different skillset and obviously Amir is the complete bowler.

He's the strike bowler who can win you Tests with his swing, later down with his reverse and then comes his immaculate line plus bowler's mind.

Hazelwood isn't bad, who said he is? But don't compare with a different bowler who can potentially become an ATG. He can be compared to the liks of Morkel, Junaid Khan, Umar Gul.

Josh, no matter how good he bowls, won't become an ATG with that skillset.
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The likes of Junaid and Gul are not even worthy of tying Hazelwwod's shoe laces. Get out of your delusion that His highness Amir is not compareable to anyone.
 
Let Hazelwood visit and get hammered in Asia first. We can talk about his credentials later.
 
Gilly said:
Who is the better bowler?.
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Stupid thread, designed to show that Hazelwood is better.

Despite Amir only playing a couple of games since his comeback, in LOIs he's better but as he hasn't played any Tests yet, then the benefit of the doubt must go to Hazelwood who has developed remarkably quickly in the longest for of the game.
 
Starc
Boult/Amir/Rabada
Finn
Hazlewood

Not including the likes of Broad etc. because they are fully established.
 
In tests Amir will be the best bowler in the world, just a matter of time really and once he's back in the international stage, he will be more than just a handful.

It's a sick joke whoever made this thread and for those of you who believe Hazlewood is better, sorry but you have lost your mind.

Starc v Amir would have been a better comparison...
 
he will prove the worth Amir is a performer belive let asif play also just one chance more both will

:asif
ChachaCricket said:
Hazlewood didn't really do much on flat decks against NZ. It was Starc, Johnson and Lyon who were taking the wickets. Hazlewood came alive in Adelaide where there was assistance.

It was the same case against India. His best showing was in Brisbane, the only pitch that seamed in that series.
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It's an absurd comparison because Amir has not even played Tests for 5 years.

Hazelwood was very poor in the ashes though so let's not suggest he's the complete article either.

Maybe this is a better comparison after 1 or 2 years.
 
Premature poll. I am not casting my vote yet. Let Amir play Test cricket before pitting them against each other. #BoycottElection
 
Sachin136 said:
5 years back, Amir was definitely better. Now it is obviously Hazlewood.
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Amir has been so far so much impressive in the PSL and has gained a little more pace then before; he is so confident on his line and length and provides it with some extra pace, and once again, is too confident about his plans against the batsmen as we recently saw him against A.Russell in the PSL where he bowled back to back bouncers to him and Russell was extremely uncomfortable with them and eventually came up with a superb yorker!
I doubt any of present fast bowler in the world can be compared with him as he has got some great skills in him and a great mindset as well, he reads the batsman brilliantly and specially the aggressive one's!
 
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Hawkeye said:
:)) :))) :)))

Come on Aussie posters, even you know it it's not a comparison.

Why?

Because both the bowlers are different. They have a different skillset and obviously Amir is the complete bowler.

He's the strike bowler who can win you Tests with his swing, later down with his reverse and then comes his immaculate line plus bowler's mind.

Hazelwood isn't bad, who said he is? But don't compare with a different bowler who can potentially become an ATG. He can be compared to the liks of Morkel, Junaid Khan, Umar Gul.

Josh, no matter how good he bowls, won't become an ATG with that skillset.
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Okay so what extra skillset Amir has? Hazlewood has line lengths. Good speed and most of all consistently bowling outside off stump lines. Talk about skillset he has all things you would need. He can become an ATG like McGrath. Comparing both of them I would say currently Hazlewood is better than Amir. If Amir performs well then there would be a different opinion
 
Amir is a complete bowler, with maybe reverse-swing being the only thing missing from his arsenal. Hazlewood is a destitute man's McGrath who can only be successful bowling one kind of delivery and will be screwed on pitches where his plan won't work.

Amir, Boult, Rabada and Starc will be the premium pacers of the world, in the coming years. Finn, Hazlewood, Milne and that Bengali pacer will be on a lower tier.
 
Ankit007 said:
Okay so what extra skillset Amir has? Hazlewood has line lengths. Good speed and most of all consistently bowling outside off stump lines. Talk about skillset he has all things you would need. He can become an ATG like McGrath. Comparing both of them I would say currently Hazlewood is better than Amir. If Amir performs well then there would be a different opinion
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Both have very good line and length.

The way Amir can swing and seam the ball both ways at pace, that's the skillset of a strike bowler who can go on to become ATG if maintain pace and line. You need brains too which Amir has.

He's a complete bowler. Hazlewood is a very good line and length bowler, and not in McGrath's class who relied a lot on seam movement. If you want to know who the next McGrath was, you need to watch Asif.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amir is a complete bowler, with maybe reverse-swing being the only thing missing from his arsenal. Hazlewood is a destitute man's McGrath who can only be successful bowling one kind of delivery and will be screwed on pitches where his plan won't work.

Amir, Boult, Rabada and Starc will be the premium pacers of the world, in the coming years. Finn, Hazlewood, Milne and that Bengali pacer will be on a lower tier.
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Boult is not the same post injury. Starc will never be good in Test cricket. Hazlewood is better than Starc in Tests.
 
Hawkeye said:
Both have very good line and length.

The way Amir can swing and seam the ball both ways at pace, that's the skillset of a strike bowler who can go on to become ATG if maintain pace and line. You need brains too which Amir has.

He's a complete bowler. Hazlewood is a very good line and length bowler, and not in McGrath's class who relied a lot on seam movement. If you want to know who the next McGrath was, you need to watch Asif.
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I didnt say Amir dont have capability to become ATG bowler. Currently Hazlewood has done better than Amir lately. He has better bowling averages than Amir. Amir and Hazlewood both have in them to become ATG. Amir needs to perform in tests as well for me to call him better than Hazlewood. Till then Hazlewood is better.
 
It's bit like "who is best asian team" thread. Not enough statistical data to conclude anything.

For all we know now, Hazelwood is better.
 
Hawkeye said:
Both have very good line and length.

The way Amir can swing and seam the ball both ways at pace, that's the skillset of a strike bowler who can go on to become ATG if maintain pace and line. You need brains too which Amir has.

He's a complete bowler. Hazlewood is a very good line and length bowler, and not in McGrath's class who relied a lot on seam movement. If you want to know who the next McGrath was, you need to watch Asif.
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Hazlewood can swing and seam the ball.
 
Mamoon said:
Starc
Boult/Amir/Rabada
Finn
Hazlewood

Not including the likes of Broad etc. because they are fully established.
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surprsingly Boult was rather poor vs Pakistan in their home ODIs.No real pace or swing.
 
Amir obviously... Hazelwood will be exposed in Azia

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Mamoon said:
Starc
Boult/Amir/Rabada
Finn
Hazlewood

Not including the likes of Broad etc. because they are fully established.
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Agreed , Though Boult lately has lost his pace , He may fell blow Hazelwood if it stays the same..Rabada is quality.. I really like Finn but he has underachieved , he is a far superior bowler than that...Starc without any shade of doubt is the best(atleast with the white ball) I hope he stays the same after the injury

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Building up to be great thread this.

Stay tuned.

Nice Fresh Competition.

When does Pakistan play first test?
 
slice said:
surprsingly Boult was rather poor vs Pakistan in their home ODIs.No real pace or swing.
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He has had a tough time post-injury, but he is getting better. Should be back to his best in a few months.
 
BigBoy123 said:
Agreed , Though Boult lately has lost his pace , He may fell blow Hazelwood if it stays the same..Rabada is quality.. I really like Finn but he has underachieved , he is a far superior bowler than that...Starc without any shade of doubt is the best(atleast with the white ball) I hope he stays the same after the injury

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Finn is a wonderful bowler, but he was over-coached and lost confidence. However, he is back to his best now and will be deadly for the next 4-5 years.
 
I think the better question is or would have being:

Who is better bowler Hazelwood or Aisf? - they are similar kind of bowlers like McGrath... I don't think Hazelwood matches Asif's skill set yet.

Amir and Rabada are different kind of bowlers, more complete fast bowlers like Styen and Wasim...

Down the road (2/3 years from now)I would like to see their comparison....

As far as who was best fast bowler of 21st century, to me that's Styen, he is head and shoulder above the rest...

Also, I don't consider McGrath as fast bowler, he was an exceptional seamer with great control (well ATG in his Category)... Even if you ask Auses who is bigger legend Lille or McGrath? - Many will say Lillie, where as in stats McGrath is clearly ahead... To me they are two different categories of bowlers...

Some how fast bowlers always win, they are exciting and inspiring to watch, artistic element is higher in them, they inspire more people and leave bigger impact on the game...just look at impact of Lillie and Wasim in last 40 or so years...one is the creator of modern day fast bowler, other is the reason left arm fast bowling become mainstream!!







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Josh Hazelwood vs Mohammad Amir

Similar bowlers but I think Haze is a bit more consistent and has more control. Amir can be more of a handful when there is a bit in the pitch. Who would you have opening your bowling?.
 
People still gloating over the Amir of 5 years back. Amir hasn't done ANYTHING notable since his comeback so far. Just check how many top order wickets he's picked, or if he's even troubled the batsmen at all. But good God, the bias in some people. I laugh whenever I hear someone mentioning Amir among the best bowlers in the world currently.
 
I rate Hazle higly.

Very underated bowler across all formats.
 
Sad times...first it was Amir vs Steyn and Anderson....then it was Amir vs Starc.....now it is Amir vs Hazelwood Lol.

I think Hazelwood is leagues ahead
 
The_KING said:
Very soon it will be Amir vs Ishant Sharma :yk
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His Bowling average is slowly slipped from the mid-late 20's to 32....Ishant has improved from 38 to 36 in the last 1-2 years :)) so they might meet in the middle soon if they continue the trend :nehra
 
Mamoon said:
Starc
Boult/Amir/Rabada
Finn
Hazlewood

Not including the likes of Broad etc. because they are fully established.
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Think Hazlewood moves to 3rd place with Amir taking last place. I'd consider Kyle Abbott over Finn tbh.
 
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