Mohammad Amir vs Mohammad Asif, who was/is more talented?

[street cricketer]

I know it's a sort of a question where you can't have an exact answer as it depends on opinion of different people since we are dealing with the intangibles.

But these two were clearly very talented when they were playing together for Pakistan. The discussion of wobbly seam of Asif had me thinking about this question.

Obviously Pakistan fans are the best to answer this question since only they would've seen the most of the duo.

Who in your opinion was/is the more talented of the duo?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Aamir is more talented imo. He has a very efficient action that allow's him to generate speed and late swing. Would do well even on a flat deck - a pitch agnostic bowler. Asif was more of a seam bowler who is terrific in helpful conditions but would've got carted on unhelpful tracks because of his lack of pace/bounce.

 

[Hawkeye]

Both are extremely talented.

However Asif was more skillful in making the ball talk I believe. Seam master.

Amir is a natural.

 

[street cricketer]

Both are extremely talented.

However Asif was more skillful in making the ball talk I believe. Seam master.

Amir is a natural.

This is a diplomatic answer.

I want a clear cut answer

 

[sully3]

Amir is natural talent who learnt the basics of bowling by watching Akram on TV


Asif is the self taught master, his bowling was art in motion and it was all self taught. Pakistan has never and will never produce a bowler who was such an artist with the new ball. he made the ball swing at will to places he wanted it to go. He used to toy with batsman on the middle of the pitch, Ask Ricky Ponting ask Kevin Peterson

People thought Wasim was once in a life time type of bowler and then we got Amir a Wasim 2.0. But finding another bowler with the skill set of Asif is going to be very difficult. Absolute Artist

 

[street cricketer]

[MENTION=4542]MO[/MENTION]ds, please add a poll for this thread. [MENTION=139847]Ankit007[/MENTION]

 

[Shayan]

Asif for me. Amir may have been more "eye-catching" but back in 2010, Asif was, understandably due to his age, the far superior bowler in my eyes.

 

[carrom_ball]

[MENTION=4542]MO[/MENTION]ds, please add a poll for this thread. [MENTION=139847]Ankit007[/MENTION]

Good thing to have an Indian mod now , roary was good too, haven't seem him for some time though

 

[Hawkeye]

This is a diplomatic answer.

I want a clear cut answer

Amir is naturally more talented.

Asif is more skillful. He had to learn it all. I think that's as good as an answer you can get.

 

[Ankit007]

Mohammad Amir...

 

[Slog]

Asif was special. He was like a snake charmer with his control. True artist. Never seen someone run rings around batsmen like he used to in helpful conditions. Often he would just toy around with a batsman, embarrass them again and again before dispatching them.

I miss his bowling a lot. Often I go to YouTube and watch his old spells in England, Sydney, Karachi 2006 and Sri Lanka among others. Feel depressed after that

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Asif ofcourse. He is equal to McGrath.

 

[_Ace_]

Asif arguably just shades it in test cricket, due to the sheer ability of owning the very best top order batsmen in the world almost at will. Bowling style designed to be the anti-thesis of fundamental batting technique. Aamir though, is virtually only beginning with test cricket and has a long way to go, so not enough observable sample size in case of the latter.

Aamir already has demonstrated greater versatility and adaptability, particularly for the limited overs formats, and for all stages of a limited overs game. Has the greater pace, reverse, and more effective yorkers going his way.

 

[street cricketer]

Good thing to have an Indian mod now , roary was good too, haven't seem him for some time though

Yeah good to have our own secret Indian agent

 

[Syed1]

Is this for question for real?

Even Amir himself said that you can find many bowlers like himself but there is no one like Asif

 

[carrom_ball]

Yeah good to have our own secret Indian agent

We are taking away their jobs

 

[Syed1]

Yeah good to have our own secret Indian agent

There have been many Indian mods over time. freelance bhaijaan was a mod for the longest time. He hasn't been around since the India vs NZ match, maybe he lost his cool on the match thread and got himself banned

 

[mhraja]

It has to be Asif, shame what he did to himself.

 

[IslamabadUnited]

Amir is way more talented

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Amir hands down. Asif had swing and seam but Amir has more pace, and Amir is much better in limited overs cricket.

 

[saeed5646]

Yeah good to have our own secret Indian agent

this is not fair from bcci . it is big 3 conspiracy

 

[dhump]

Asif is more talented simple as that...He had natural seam and can bowl overs after overs effortlessly...Natural action and what an amazing bowler to watch.

 

[street cricketer]

this is not fair from bcci . it is big 3 conspiracy

He he.. I guess there are perks to being the BCCI

 

[yasir]

This is silly question, they are not same type of bowler... Its like comparing Lillie with McGrath or Warne with McGrath...Amir is a fast bowler and Asif is a medium pace seamer, they are quite different category of bowlers...

Amir compares better with Strac/Styen/Wasim/Rabada etc... Asif with Mcgrath/Anderson/Pollack/Ambrose etc...

They both could have faired pretty good in their own category had they played for last 5 years... Amir learned a lot from Asif about the intelligence side of bowling, he become better bowler when he paired with Asif...

After his comeback he has improved even more, his skills are more polished, pace is up, action is getting better, both body and brain are more mature... Lets hope he remains fit for extended period of time(6/8 years), then we all have treat in front of us!!! - comparison with other within his category would be more fruitful, if he played for 6/8 years...

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Time fades memories or makes them bigger than they are.

In Asif and Amir's case, there is no such problem. Both are once a generation talents.

End of.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Asif is more talented simple as that...He had natural seam and can bowl overs after overs effortlessly...Natural action and what an amazing bowler to watch.

Has Amir got an artificial action?

 

[dhump]

Has Amir got an artificial action?

This is what evolution produces when idiocy is ignored by laughed upon, not your fault...I would suggest to move on to next thread or post.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

This is what evolution produces when idiocy is ignored by laughed upon, not your fault...I would suggest to move on to next thread or post.

I asked you a valid question but instead you got pisssed off.

 

[dhump]

I asked you a valid question but instead you got pisssed off.

Mostly we tend to answer the person and not the question...If you dont know what I mean by natural action it is useless to debate and no point in educating you at least.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Amir can do everything Asif could 15ks faster.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Mostly we tend to answer the person and not the question...If you dont know what I mean by natural action it is useless to debate and no point in educating you at least.

I don't use such terms, so I don't have much familiarity with it.

 

[Madplayer]

Asif wasn't a bowler, he was an artist.

Amir is a force of nature. Completely different bowlers.

But its a fact that Pakistan has produced bowlers like Amir before but not one like Asif.

 

[dhump]

I don't use such terms, so I don't have much familiarity with it.

Effortless action without much hoopla or generating any special running speed or any special motion to dis balance him can result in longer spells with less effort in comparison to his counterparts.

 

[bilalmasaud]

asif! was far superior than amir

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I would have said Amir in a heartbeat...but I've been watching Asif's bowling on youtube. Asif was a very very intellegent bowler and despite his low speeds was good enough to bowl out the best batsmen. I just think Amir is more talented though, considering he does that at much faster speeds

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Effortless action without much hoopla or generating any special running speed or any special motion to dis balance him can result in longer spells with less effort in comparison to his counterparts.

Got it. Thanks Teacher

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Very hard question to answer really.

I keep flip flopping.

 

[Syed1]

I'm surprised people even have a doubt about this. I don't know about now but back when both of them were playing together Asif was comfortably better than Amir and was an excellent proponent of the swing and seam movement.

Just search the youtube video of Asif demolishing a famed Indian batting line up in a Karachi test match.


And our 2010 side had arguably one of the best bowling line ups assembled in the modern era

1. Asif
2. Amir
3. Gul (he was very threatening at that time)
4. Ajmal

 

[norman bates]

amir is more talented he was a good a bowler as asif (who was one of the worlds best) in and around 2010 and amir was only 17 at the time. Once amir hits his peak he will be far and ahead of asif

 

[Zeshan547]

It's like choosing between BMW and Ferrari, asif is the BMW , all class, style and grace, amir is the ferrari, furious speed, dashing looks, and too hot to handle for faint hearted. So not the easiest to pick one among them.

 

[shah_1]

Both are fixers, well there is a similarity

I think Amir is more talented

 

[shah_1]

Vs England test series 2010

Asif average is 33
Amir average is 18.

 

[Deewana]

Amir has the pace
..Asif wasn't ever our regular in Limited overs

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[Markhor]

Amir said it himself:

"You can find many bowlers like me in the streets of Pakistan. But you will never find one like Asif."

 

[shah_1]

Amir said it himself:

"You can find many bowlers like me in the streets of Pakistan. But you will never find one like Asif."

Amir is similar to Wasim Akram. How many Wasim Akrams did we ever produced?

 

[Markhor]

Amir is similar to Wasim Akram. How many Wasim Akrams did we ever produced?

Agree, think Amir was being bit harsh on himself there.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Amir said it himself:

"You can find many bowlers like me in the streets of Pakistan. But you will never find one like Asif."

You will find bowlers like Asif. I've personally played against bowlers with similar skillset. They're rare but they are there.

 

[StreetSmart]

If it was for Skills i could have voted for Asif but for Talent no doubt on Aamir this kid is impressing every one from day one

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Amir was and is more talented.


Asif was OK bowler who improved his skillset massively. He played 1 match for Pakistan and was just ok and got dropped but he became as hungry as anyone can for a comeback and he improved as much as no one could imagine and came back as a far far improved and better bowler.

 

[naveed4687]

Asif for me all the way although he might not have the pace of Aamir but that guy was an absolute artist He would make the ball talk in every virtual sense, I remember him toying with batsman with those outswingers and then and absolute accurate inswinger would take you out of your misery. Gem of an bowler!

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[liaqat]

Aamir is more talented imo. He has a very efficient action that allow's him to generate speed and late swing. Would do well even on a flat deck - a pitch agnostic bowler. Asif was more of a seam bowler who is terrific in helpful conditions but would've got carted on unhelpful tracks because of his lack of pace/bounce.

Are you for real?
Asif did magic on flat track's (Karachi comes to mind against India) Amir has talent but nothing like Asif
Best comparison i would make is Asif was a magician and Amir his assistant

 

[cricketInsight]

Asif was a genius - look at the share amount of unplayable deliveries he would bowl.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Are you for real?
Asif did magic on flat track's (Karachi comes to mind against India) Amir has talent but nothing like Asif
Best comparison i would make is Asif was a magician and Amir his assistant

On the same flat deck that Irfan Pathan took a hat trick? I think that was conducive to seam - that pitch. Similarly the ones he bowled in SL were quite seamer friendly.

Perhaps I went overboard by saying he would be carted but I expect Aamir to be better.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Another great thread by sreety, keep it coming man.

 

[90MPH]

They were both Irreplaceable when they got banned. Just devestating to lose such bowlers for 5 years. Asif was always on a slippery slope though.

Both just as good in their own ways, maybe diplomatic but that's what I feel.

 

[yasir]

On the same flat deck that Irfan Pathan took a hat trick? I think that was conducive to seam - that pitch. Similarly the ones he bowled in SL were quite seamer friendly.

Perhaps I went overboard by saying he would be carted but I expect Aamir to be better.

Did you noticed Pakistan's score in second innings?? - It was 600!! (both teams scored 230ish in first innings)...

Wicket was pretty flat on 3/4 day

Asif run through mighty Indian lineup (Sehwag, SRT, Dravid, VVX) once again in second innings as well...

 

[www787]

In Test, Asif was the best thing since McGrath.

 

[Kaka4pope]

It's a tough one, agreed that Asif is more of a one off though, be great to rock up to England this summer with:

Amir
Asif
Shah
I. Khan

I do believe Imran Khan can deliver in English conditions, he has done very well in the attritional conditions of the UAE - he's our Peter Siddle, which makes for a pretty good first change.

Our tail won't score us many runs, especially in England but I think that's the case with any of our test level bowlers.

Up to our batsmen to give them a total to work with - with the above four bowlers fit and healthy 500-550 runs per test may well be enough...

 

[hur rizvi]

Asif the Good old Magician

 

[Bhaijaan]

With all due respect to Amir, and i openly admit he's after Dale Steyn the undisputed best in the world. But Asif was at a totally different level as a bowler although he was very paendoo and lacked personality. Asif was at par with Glenny as far as skill is concerned and maybe even slightly better. Thats how good he was. [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION] [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION]

 

[street cricketer]

Mohd. Asif seems to have a resounding majority

 

[Asim2Good]

both were not talented "enough"

 

[Usman Chadda]

On the same flat deck that Irfan Pathan took a hat trick? I think that was conducive to seam - that pitch. Similarly the ones he bowled in SL were quite seamer friendly.

Perhaps I went overboard by saying he would be carted but I expect Aamir to be better.

Asif was fairly tall. He did use the bouncer to good effect. Asif coming back in a healthy environment will be extremely beneficial for Pakistan. Will teach all these nincompoops how to set up a batsman.

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[Diffusion]

Asif was a genius. Unfortunately, he was a massive idiot without the ball too.

 

[MRSN]

Asif was superior. He could make the ball talk even on a flat road. He was da vinci of bowling. Amir is more great with the new ball but Asif had even better skill with the old ball.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Amir is typical Pakistani-kind-of *talented* inswinging bowler. Asif was unique however. The way he made fun of Peterson, De Villers, Sehwag and others with is gentle-pace is so non-Pakistani.

 

[Mamoon]

Amir.

 

[Slog]

The amount of world class batsmen (KP, Clarke, AB, Sachin) Asif humiliated just points to his class.

And it wasnt just getting them out with a jaffa which many bowlers do ofocurse

He used to toy with them and set them up for the humiliation before delivering the killer blow

 

[Varun]

Asif by a mile. Could bowl out sides in the sub-continent every time.

Amir played in the most greenest, dampest conditions and averaged 30. Overrated.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The amount of world class batsmen (KP, Clarke, AB, Sachin) Asif humiliated just points to his class.

And it wasnt just getting them out with a jaffa which many bowlers do ofocurse

He used to toy with them and set them up for the humiliation before delivering the killer blow

When did Asif humiliate Sachin?

 

[Sunzi]

Asif.
Recall him for England tour LOL.

 

[LastManstanding]

The amount of world class batsmen (KP, Clarke, AB, Sachin) Asif humiliated just points to his class.

And it wasnt just getting them out with a jaffa which many bowlers do ofocurse

He used to toy with them and set them up for the humiliation before delivering the killer blow

Oh yeah, that wobbly seam, batsmen had no idea where ball was going to move. He would deliver from high arm action, bowl at good length or short of length and batsmen would be either caught at slips or bowled through the gate.

 

[Slog]

When did Asif humiliate Sachin?

brought him down to his knees

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Lol this is not even a comparison.... I am all for Amir and everything he brings to the table but man oh man was Asif an artist or what.

Anyone who's seen them both ball in full flow know the glaring gap in skill set; even now present between Asif and Amir. He used to make batsmen look so entirely funny, it was almost humiliation like.

In that fixing scandal the biggest loss to Pakistan was that of Muhammad Asif. For a genius with the ball at hand Asif was the dumbest person (off field) to ever play cricket The guy himself was his biggest enemy

 

[Bhaijaan]

brought him down to his knees

Thank the pitch for that. Where is the humiliation part though?

 

[Deewana]

What a bowling pair that was
Probably our best after 2 Ws

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[JaDed]

Talent

Amir>Asif

Skill

Asif >>Amir

 

[Big Mac]

Asif was better, I'll leave the rest of you to argue about "talent"

 

[Big Mac]

On the same flat deck that Irfan Pathan took a hat trick? I think that was conducive to seam - that pitch. Similarly the ones he bowled in SL were quite seamer friendly.

Perhaps I went overboard by saying he would be carted but I expect Aamir to be better.

Irfan Pathan's hat trick was beautiful swing bowling, not movement off the wicket.

 

[hussain.r97]

Amir has far more potential than Asif. He has the ability to do most of what Asif could do, except at a higher pace. Amir will eventually mature to Asif's level of bowling intelligence.