"Mohammad Hafeez's dismissals make me ask : Is this how you play Test cricket?" : Waqar Younis

[Abdullah719]

"Mohammad Hafeez's dismissals make me ask : Is this how you play Test cricket?" : Waqar Younis

Waqar Younis speaking on TV earlier:

"The last session yesterday really put Pakistan on the back foot. Chasing 300 runs is very difficult, and Pakistan is not known to challenge such totals in the last innings, therefore, England did well."

"There will be more media criticism targeting Hafeez than Younis because his overseas record is not very good, especially outside of Asia where he has not done much and this was a make or break series for him, returning from injury. The way he has been getting out is the big question mark. Is this how you play Test cricket?"

"Look at Sami Aslam, on the other hand: A young 20-year-old, who is very compact and plays close to the body."

"On the other hand, Hafeez is looking to play shots very early in the innings, and when he loses his wicket, it puts so much pressure on Pakistan in the beginning that it’s hard to combat, especially when Younis is also struggling and Asad didn’t really do well, so it’s a huge question mark."

"We all knew that Azhar has got a technical issue and he will fix it. He has done really well in England in the past tour, but with Hafeez there are so many shots too early in the innings; it’s asking for trouble all the time, and I’ll be very surprised if he gets picked for the Oval Test match."

"You’ve tried Sami and he did well for you, do you really want to go with Hafeez? Why not go with Iftikhar, as he will bat at number six, and he may give you 15-20 overs of bowling a day and that can also cover the fifth bowler issue."

"I think Pakistan should not lose hope. They haven’t lost the series, and they can always come back and draw the series. The Oval pitch probably will suit Pakistan; a bit more bounce, it’ll be dry, might spin and bounce a bit more for Yasir Shah. So I think Pakistan should not lose hope and the fast bowlers need to put their feet up. The batsmen need to get into the nets and fix their problems if they really want to come back in this series."

 

[Slog]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

 

[street cricketer]

I was shocked at his dismissal.

Bell was roasted by the English media once for trying to hit a spinner out of the park against India only to get caught at mid on on his very first ball.

It's not about getting out. Batsmen get out under pressure to good balls all the time. But it's the manner of the dismissal rather.

Playing such a shot during any stage of a test match is criminal.

Playing it while trying to save a game is just not cricket (literally).

 

[Pete Rose]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

thats harsh. I think one of the first affects of mickey is the rocket he gave to the bowling yesterday. and I suspect hafeez's test career is over for the next year or so....I think mickey will have a big role in ensuring that. mickey's true test will be when we are in australia.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

What a shocker. Totally wasn't expecting it.

 

[Pete Rose]

I was shocked at his dismissal.

Bell was roasted by the English media once for trying to hit a spinner out of the park against India only to get caught at mid on on his very first ball.

It's not about getting out. Batsmen get out under pressure to good balls all the time. But it's the manner of the dismissal rather.

Playing such a shot during any stage of a test match is criminal.

Playing it while trying to save a game is just not cricket (literally).

my fingers are sore from typing this. hafeez is one of those guys who doesnt have the heart for battle. going is good type cricketer. and guys like that you cant help them if they have deep insecurities. I mean you put up with the nonsense of pumping the ego for superstars. And hafeez frankly is not even that..

 

[Pete Rose]

What a shocker. Totally wasn't expecting it.

then you havent followed his career

 

[LowKiiSavage]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

 

[street cricketer]

then you havent followed his career

He's sarcastic.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

then you havent followed his career

True. Does he always play like this?

 

[Pete Rose]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

I dont know how you can say stuff like. How do you drop a batsman who scored 150 odd right before coming to england. We all know hafeez's pedigree, but captain and coach cant drop him if he is performing. It was always going to take a tour of England to end his career (and hopefully yk's)

 

[Pete Rose]

True. Does he always play like this?

yes. with hafeez its a mental thing. He knows he is not good enough when the going gets tough. He was always a mediocre cricketer for whom shoaib malik's ban by butt, chucking, and uae made him seem better than he was.

 

[Hawkeye]

Waqar himself always like Hafeez.

 

[Slog]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

Because Hafeez was doing well then genius

Team is united because snakes like Shehzad aren't there anymore thankfully

 

[Pete Rose]

He's sarcastic.

My sarcasm meter is off. Bad way to lose a test match. my disappointment is focused on sarfaraz and asad if i make it finer its focused on asad.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

I dont know how you can say stuff like. How do you drop a batsman who scored 150 odd right before coming to england. We all know hafeez's pedigree, but captain and coach cant drop him if he is performing. It was always going to take a tour of England to end his career (and hopefully yk's)

Then why is Waqar acting all surprised? How many youngsters got the chance to play under his management? I still remember how Ifthikar was rushed for the England ODIs in UAE by him just to satisfy his grudge against certain players. Why didnt he give Sami a chance by then?

He has been coach of Pakistan twice and has been useless.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Because Hafeez was doing well then genius

Team is united because snakes like Shehzad aren't there anymore thankfully

Are you telling me that Waqar is that short-sighted? So much for making him the coach twice.

 

[Slog]

Are you telling me that Waqar is that short-sighted? So much for making him the coach twice.

Yeah winning is the priority and you play the best team for that

Pretty standard.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Yeah winning is the priority and you play the best team for that

Pretty standard.

"Waqar was jealous of Shehzad so he dropped our best batsman and now we are losing because of that" Shehzad fans

 

[Jabo]

So why the hell did you keep this failure in the test side when you were the coach?

Waqar doing what he is best at, talk a load but when given the role he fails tremendously not only once but TWICE.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Oh Godd ! He is correct.

Innocuous delivery and a very very casual shot.

This is Test Cricket Day 5 trying to save a match. It was very very Soft Dismissal.


I think Hafeez can do must better than this. Looks like he was thinking about his post match plans and suddenly ball came and his mind was nowhere in the match and he played a terrible shot. Concentration & shot selection & execution were horrid.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

True. Does he always play like this?

No than He wouldn't have been in league of Saeed & Shoaib wrt numbers even considering UAE.

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[wasimjunior]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

Precisely this. Waqar is literally all talk. Complete failure as coach who sat there like a sitting duck and then made a big hoo haa when he knew his time was up.

Didn't the same compact Sami get dropped unfairly after only 2 tests in Bangladesh.

Needs to bore off

 

[wasimjunior]

Because Hafeez was doing well then genius

Team is united because snakes like Shehzad aren't there anymore thankfully

Shahzad is thankfully a non issue, and hafeez is getting more flak then he should as he performed before this.

Issue is Sami Aslam was given a poor run under waqar so why is he hyping him now. Waqar happily dropped Sami and is now talking about how good a player he is.

Reminds me of how he also kept sarfraz out of the team in the World Cup.

 

[aloo paratha]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

He did... Vs Bangladesh... Then selectors dropped him and he always complained about not having a say in selection.

But what can we do, haters gonna hate...

 

[Abdullah719]

Shahzad is thankfully a non issue, and hafeez is getting more flak then he should as he performed before this.

Issue is Sami Aslam was given a poor run under waqar so why is he hyping him now. Waqar happily dropped Sami and is now talking about how good a player he is.

Reminds me of how he also kept sarfraz out of the team in the World Cup.

Have you considered that Sami, unlike other players, didn't think he is perfect and actually worked on his game? Because he looked quite different in this match to what I saw of him in the past. Much more compact, less movement at the crease and an immaculate judgement of length...

 

[wasimjunior]

Have you considered that Sami, unlike other players, didn't think he is perfect and actually worked on his game? Because he looked quite different in this match to what I saw of him in the past. Much more compact, less movement at the crease and an immaculate judgement of length...

Fair point. Looked superb in this game. Just hope he doesn't regress like our other bats

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Precisely this. Waqar is literally all talk. Complete failure as coach who sat there like a sitting duck and then made a big hoo haa when he knew his time was up.

Didn't the same compact Sami get dropped unfairly after only 2 tests in Bangladesh.

Needs to bore off

This is probably the case with all our former players not part of the system. When they become part of it, all that talk and ho-haa ends.

 

[Finisher]

If waqar was still coach sami would not have played.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

He did... Vs Bangladesh... Then selectors dropped him and he always complained about not having a say in selection.

But what can we do, haters gonna hate...

I dont believe in him not having any say in selection. Coach definitely has a say. Some examples: Azhar's selection as captain, Shehzad ouster in the England ODI series in UAE, Ifthikar's selection etc. Who can forget how he berated Sarfraz in WC 2015?

 

[Im Suds]

Oh Godd ! He is correct.

Innocuous delivery and a very very casual shot.

This is Test Cricket Day 5 trying to save a match. It was very very Soft Dismissal.


I think Hafeez can do must better than this. Looks like he was thinking about his post match plans and suddenly ball came and his mind was nowhere in the match and he played a terrible shot. Concentration & shot selection & execution were horrid.

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I'm surprised you have not identified the obvious flaw in hafeez s pull shot.
His hands are too low hence he scoops the ball up, which is an incorrect flawed way of playing the shot.
Ricky pontings hands were high- this enabled him keep the ball down while playing the pull shot.
Hafeez is always going to be limited outside the UAE .
Time for fresh start- don't you agree?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I'm surprised you have not identified the obvious flaw in hafeez s pull shot.
His hands are too low hence he scoops the ball up, which is an incorrect flawed way of playing the shot.
Ricky pontings hands were high- this enabled him keep the ball down while playing the pull shot.
Hafeez is always going to be limited outside the UAE .
Time for fresh start- don't you agree?

That Shot wasn't on.

He is no West Indian great to play shots like that.


It needed a flick shot that too not aerial. It was a half flick half pull that too aerial and ball wasn't that shot enough to pull. Moreover he picked the fielder. It was a poor shot selection, poor execution and severe lack of conc. causing it.

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[zoro]

He did... Vs Bangladesh... Then selectors dropped him and he always complained about not having a say in selection.

But what can we do, haters gonna hate...

Nice try!
Hafeez wasnt dropped, he was injured.
Thats why sami got a few games vs bangla bros. As soon as Hafeez was fit again, sami was dropped!

 

[Im Suds]

That Shot wasn't on.

He is no West Indian great to play shots like that.


It needed a flick shot that too not aerial. It was a half flick half pull that too aerial and ball wasn't that shot enough to pull. Moreover he picked the fielder. It was a poor shot selection, poor execution and severe lack of conc. causing it.

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Do you still think hafeez is the most complete opener in Pakistan ?

 

[aloo paratha]

Nice try!
Hafeez wasnt dropped, he was injured.
Thats why sami got a few games vs bangla bros. As soon as Hafeez was fit again, sami was dropped!

Ok?!?

Even then, Hafeez was in brilliant form. Why would he drop someone who is playing well. The discussion is about this England tour...

 

[silent ischemia]

It happens only in Pakistan that .....
A tried and tested failure outside Asia keeps on playing because he is the captain's best friend.
Come on Misbah. Ponting fought for Symonds despite his disciplinary issues because he knew Symonds was a match winner. And Misbah is fighting to keep Hafeez because he is his friend

Cant bat
Cant bowl
Cant catch

 

[KA$H]

I was shocked at his dismissal.

Bell was roasted by the English media once for trying to hit a spinner out of the park against India only to get caught at mid on on his very first ball.

It's not about getting out. Batsmen get out under pressure to good balls all the time. But it's the manner of the dismissal rather.

Playing such a shot during any stage of a test match is criminal.

Playing it while trying to save a game is just not cricket (literally).

Don't agree with the shocked bit - a gift was expected, but the manner wasn't

The circumstance & manner are unforgivable

Waqar has called this right

Odd how Akram kind of tried to justify it by calling it positivity

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Do you still think hafeez is the most complete opener in Pakistan ?

Numbers tell you that He is amongst Top 3 Test Openers Produced by Us in 67 years.


Tours outside UAE, SL, India, Bangladesh, Zim, WI tell you that He has been Average with a small Sample Set.


Age and Current Performances and fitness tell you that Perform soon otherwise curtains around.


Jaahid & Imam both do not have impressive Fc numbers but both are on the rise. Jaahid has a A+ Pakistan A tour of England.


If You go back 3,4 months than Yes Hafeez waz the best Opener in Pakistan along with Naeemuddin. Naeemuddin is more solid, has better temperament and better technique but Hafeez got edge over him in last 6 years because of Bowling plus Hafeez had better fitness. But the number of Tests Toufeeq & Khurram played in comeback plus the tests which Shan played should all have been played by Naeemuddin. He should have opened with Hafeez.


If Hafeez makes the Oval Test which would be very difficult than He may score there. Last Test He looked great while playing that 40 odd runs knock until he gifted his wicket by conc. lapse.


Hafeez has scored a 95 on his previous tour of England and he along with Shafique are the only players who have fluency in their batting against Pace Bowlers and i think in last 6 years Hafeez has highest SR for Pakistan in Test Cricket for our Top 6 Batsman.


In 2013 SA tour it was Steyn's brilliance plus Hafeez's Poor defence & technique. In 2016 uptil now in England Hafeez's defence & technique has improved but batting discipline & conc. has regressed resulting in a poor Test Series uptil now.


Won't rate Hafeez higher than Saeed Anwar or Shoaib Mohammad but will put him in top 3-4 of all time Test Openers who represented us.


Had he got a batting temperature, batting discipline and Conc. like Misbah or Younis than with the same technique Hafeez would have been averaging 5-6 runs more than his current Test Average but He has served Pakistan well in last 6 years overall in all 3 formats but like Yousuf he has not delivered in ICC tournaments and like Shoaib Malik his performances against Top 4 Bowling Teams in all formats have not been good or very good.


A mixed bag but merited selection.


Best Spin Bowling Allrounder Pakistan has produced. Yes better than Malik.



Gets too much Criticism & Hate.



Hafeez was part of One of the most stylish and elegant batting Partnerships of Pakistan in Odi Cricket in last 6 years outside Asia. Hafeez & Babar Azam partnership in NZ.

[MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] you agree ?

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[msb314]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

Waqar made good comments here but why didn't he plan ahead and drop Hafeez long time ago. Sami should have played the England Test series last fall and the SL away series last summer too.

 

[msb314]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing lol

 

[Indiafan]

Are you telling me that Waqar is that short-sighted? So much for making him the coach twice.

Considering that he gave a proper report against Shehzad, which is preventing inzi from selecting him even now, I wont call him short sighted

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistani openers in Australia, South Africa, England, New Zealand and West Indies (min 150 runs):

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This is the complete list.

National Treasure, indeed.

 

[sully3]

Interesting Waqar stopped himself from criticising the bowling unit.

I feel like Waqar would have identified the wrong composition of the attack a alot quicker then Micky and co have realised. He definitely wold have pushed for 2 right arms quicks and then decide if he wants 2 left arms or one.

 

[Sherlock]

Didn't Waqar notice this when he was the coach?

After the facts and all that rubbish...

 

[nitrous]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

Oh bhai, what achievement did Waqar do, tests were run by misbah, and Waqar didn't do a single thing with the odi or the T20 team. We were poor under Waqar and Waqar wouldn't have picked Aslam.

Stop blaming the coaches when the players themselves are just jahil to apply themselves in the middle, and these are the same players that have been failing all the time.

Waqar wouldn't have done squat with the team in England. Maybe bowling would've have improved, but these players are just not good enough to play outside Asia.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Waqar is just jealous, Hafeez will bounce back

 

[yasir]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

Miss him, why?? - He has been supporting Hafeez for ever along with Misbah. Now everybody are praising Sami, where they were in last 12 months?? - He and Misbah both over looked him and keep investing in Hafeez, Shezad and Shaun. [emoji83][emoji83][emoji83]

If all your decision as coach are based on domestic stats, then why hire a coach, just hire stats analyst? - they are just throwing dice when looking for players ?? [emoji84][emoji84][emoji84]

This tells me these guys know nothing about batting, he atleast Should not try to analyze this Pakistani team, have some integrity [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]


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[Suleiman]

I backed Waqar the coach, and a lot of our test success came under him, but obviously his hands were tied at some points as joker type selectors like Rasheed and a 12 year old captain like Afridi meant he couldn't always have his suggestions in team selections. He talked about moving Hafeez down the order when he was a commentator prior to coaching us pre 2014, but obv when you're coach things change.

Though honestly I feel a lot of people were just wanting Hafeez to fail in this series, and I think he has screwed himself over badly BECAUSE he has looked in good form from the start of this series. He times it well, is still somehow playing with confidence, but, he throws it away way way too easily. That shot he got out to, had it been placed few yards either side of Woakes it could've been a boundary. Same thing I feel about Shafiq, they've had their failures but it's also about being at the wrong place at the wrong time type of thing.

Even after this failure I'll give him this last test after which if he fails, he should be retired from tests.

Younis on the other hand has played with 0 confidence, hopping, dancing, doing the macarena, and looking as scared as he did in Adelaide 2015 last year to a trundler like Shami. Misbah should man up along with Arthur and tell him sit this one out champ.

 

[osee_bhai]

I don't understand why everyone's getting political about Waqar's thoughts.

Hafeez played very solidly in the subcontinent, but an abject failure outside. We have barely played outside lately, hence Hafeez being in the team at the moment.

There's no drama/conspiracy!

 

[Junaids]

I backed Waqar the coach, and a lot of our test success came under him, but obviously his hands were tied at some points as joker type selectors like Rasheed and a 12 year old captain like Afridi meant he couldn't always have his suggestions in team selections. He talked about moving Hafeez down the order when he was a commentator prior to coaching us pre 2014, but obv when you're coach things change.

Though honestly I feel a lot of people were just wanting Hafeez to fail in this series, and I think he has screwed himself over badly BECAUSE he has looked in good form from the start of this series. He times it well, is still somehow playing with confidence, but, he throws it away way way too easily. That shot he got out to, had it been placed few yards either side of Woakes it could've been a boundary. Same thing I feel about Shafiq, they've had their failures but it's also about being at the wrong place at the wrong time type of thing.

Even after this failure I'll give him this last test after which if he fails, he should be retired from tests.

Younis on the other hand has played with 0 confidence, hopping, dancing, doing the macarena, and looking as scared as he did in Adelaide 2015 last year to a trundler like Shami. Misbah should man up along with Arthur and tell him sit this one out champ.

Hafeez didn't look good even at the start of the tour.

Here is his full list of scores in England this summer:

20 + 10 v Somerset
17 + 23 v Sussex
40 + 0 v England
18 + 42 v England
0 + 2 v England

Ten innings, no fifties
172 runs at an average of 17.20

 

[The_Odd_One]

Thanks Waqar for telling us something which even a 10 years old knows. No wonder he was a poor captain and one of the worst coaches.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Didn't Waqar notice this when he was the coach?

After the facts and all that rubbish...

After coaches, players notice things when they are no longer coach or player.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Do you still think hafeez is the most complete opener in Pakistan ?

In Asia, yes. Outside Asia, not even a player.

 

[Slog]

Oh bhai, what achievement did Waqar do, tests were run by misbah, and Waqar didn't do a single thing with the odi or the T20 team. We were poor under Waqar and Waqar wouldn't have picked Aslam.
.

lol how?

he was in the management when Misbah was appointed full time captain

and he was also the one who made the team combinations and strategies which led to UAE success.

also groomed a good batting line up for home conditions. and thats an achievement because prior to that we werent solid batting lineup even iN uae

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Miss you Waqar Bhai

There's literally been no gain with Mickey Arthur so far. (Not that he has been here long)

why dont u say this when pak win the first test....Mickey Arthur's first series and u wanna sack him.. U r one of those impatient pak fans...Mickey Arthur doesnt have a magic wand to turn pak into world beaters overnight, he still have the same players what waqar had...

 

[Slog]

why dont u say this when pak win the first test....Mickey Arthur's first series and u wanna sack him.. U r one of those impatient pak fans...Mickey Arthur doesnt have a magic wand to turn pak into world beaters overnight, he still have the same players what waqar had...

when did i say sack him? like where did i even remotely hint that

Mickey Arthur is a good coach and we will see his style as to how he deals with the england test series loss.

I hope he is more ruthless in his sacking of players when its apparent they arent good enough. Waqar gave long, long ropes for many players like Akmal, Shehzad, Shafiq in ODIs etc.

 

[KA$H]

The point as a few have made already is that outside of Asia, Hafeez has proven time & time again that he is a mental midget.

Those 40s are nothing to write home about

For all his faults & limited ability, Shan Masood has a better test temperament in these conditions to Hafeez.

Now that's saying something!

Back in UAE & Asia, he is an undoubted performer. The Hafeez V2 has been a reliable run machine

Outside of Asia & he reboots back to V1 & hence almost reverts to his despicable "best"

Maybe that's a little too harsh, but it's the number of opportunities he's had that irk, when compared to his contemporaries

 

[ask_analyse_act]

In Asia, yes. Outside Asia, not even a player.

didnt u see steyn getting him in UAE too...

 

[Zain Zaidi]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

That's why waqar all his career kept shouting THAT HEAD COACH SHOULD HAVE A ROLE IN SELECTION............

 

[Zain Zaidi]

Because Hafeez was doing well then genius

Team is united because snakes like Shehzad aren't there anymore thankfully

Loll the snakes line Made my day

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Considering that he gave a proper report against Shehzad, which is preventing inzi from selecting him even now, I wont call him short sighted

Guess you failed to comprehend the topic at hand.

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[Zain Zaidi]

He did... Vs Bangladesh... Then selectors dropped him and he always complained about not having a say in selection.

But what can we do, haters gonna hate...

This is what I'm yelling all the time our great PCB didnot gave the head coach any "official" say in selection...
PCB sure is dheet even after the waqar big fuss they didn't have head coach any say

 

[LowKiiSavage]

This is what I'm yelling all the time our great PCB didnot gave the head coach any "official" say in selection...
PCB sure is dheet even after the waqar big fuss they didn't have head coach any say

I dont believe in him not having any say in selection. Coach definitely has a say. Some examples: Azhar's selection as captain, Shehzad ouster in the England ODI series in UAE, Ifthikar's selection etc. Who can forget how he berated Sarfraz in WC 2015?

Kindly read this.

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[Zain Zaidi]

Kindly read this.

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*Bro I mentioned "official" say,they select the whole team already then show the selection to head coach he gives a 'yes'(most of the times, not many have guts to question on a player's selection when the committee selected him) then our selection committee is all over media that they selected the team with head coach head coach bla bla bla...

If he really had an official say then he would sit with the committee and select the fortunate. What I think is they DO look at the players he recommends to be selected BUT they do this only because he is respected as head coach,as a nation servant. Saying that the whole team was selected with head coach is wrong.

*This is what I THINK of course I cannot verify if this actually happens but come to imagine the situation a guy keeps babbling that he was not involved in the selection committee every series,every match when a new/comeback player fails... Something definitely isnot right or is the legendary bowler gone nuts in his 40s???

I'm not saying this on sole basis of assumption but I guess I have said enough.


Opinions differ we're not the same.
TY.

 

[Sherlock]

No need replying to someone that thinks Waqar did a good-to-decent job, and Micky Arthur deserves the boot.

The insanity of some.

 

[Zain Zaidi]

No need replying to someone that thinks Waqar did a good-to-decent job, and Micky Arthur deserves the boot.

The insanity of some.

Hey is that directed at me? lol just felt like it [emoji14]

 

[Sherlock]

Hey is that directed at me? lol just felt like it [emoji14]

It's pointed at whichever person still longs for Waqar's inadequate and simply awful coaching and avoids/ignores the 1st Test victory at Lords, and wants the current coach's contract torn up after 2 defeats.

 

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The funny thing is if Hafeez had been playing the same way he plays here in England in Asia he'd fail too. Goes chasing after balls he should leave, it's terrible temperament. In terms of actual technique, his poor technique as such isn't the main reason he's been getting out, he has looked fairly settled out there a few times. Not like YK who has just struggled generally.

Hafeez deserves to be dropped from the test squad. For the fourth test, get in Babar or Rizwan and open with Azhar and Sami.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

And you were the one who kept on selecting him even after MoHaf's series of failures

 

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And you were the one who kept on selecting him even after MoHaf's series of failures

Hafeez was dropped from test cricket for a while, he just came back into the team after the replacements were mediocre. And credit to him, we mainly play in Asia given half our matches will be at home in UAE, and of course some will be against sri lanka, Bangladesh etc.

Hafeez has been crucial to our success in asia. When your team for decades has not produced any quality openers, we at least had an opener contributing to test wins in asia. Which is a step up. Guys like Khurram, Shan etc. couldn't hack it even in asia. Hard to drop him. And as I said, if he played like this in asia he'd have failed there too.

We now have someone who's proved himself it seems as a better option than Hafeez. Hence easy to get rid of Hafeez now, and that's what we should do.

 

[waleed88]

LOL hilarious hearing this from Waqar. Why didnt you play Sami instead of Hafeez when you were coach? This guy only knows how to talk. Thank god everytime i see him not being part of our team management. Team is united under Mickey.

He played/ Misbah played Sami in two test matches against Bangladesh and he failed in all 4 inninga.

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[waleed88]

Miss him, why?? - He has been supporting Hafeez for ever along with Misbah. Now everybody are praising Sami, where they were in last 12 months?? - He and Misbah both over looked him and keep investing in Hafeez, Shezad and Shaun. [emoji83][emoji83][emoji83]

If all your decision as coach are based on domestic stats, then why hire a coach, just hire stats analyst? - they are just throwing dice when looking for players ?? [emoji84][emoji84][emoji84]

This tells me these guys know nothing about batting, he atleast Should not try to analyze this Pakistani team, have some integrity [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]


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Bhai jaan you are poorly informed or you hardly follow test cricket.

Sami aslam was given a chance in both odis and tests.
In odis he scored a 40
But he failed in all his 4 innings against Bangladesh..
Hence he was rightly dropped and shan masood reinstated.

Masood then almost became a permanent fixture of the test side by scoring that 100 in the 4th innings vs SL in test matches where Pakistan chased 370.

However Masood then failed against England in UAE so Azhar was played as an opener in the 3rd test match.

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[CricketAnalyst]

I was shocked at his dismissal.

Bell was roasted by the English media once for trying to hit a spinner out of the park against India only to get caught at mid on on his very first ball.

It's not about getting out. Batsmen get out under pressure to good balls all the time. But it's the manner of the dismissal rather.

Playing such a shot during any stage of a test match is criminal.

Playing it while trying to save a game is just not cricket (literally).

This attitude should be criminal rather.

Manner of failure should never be the concern. As long as sample size is decent, no one should be concerned whether he is out slogging, or blocking or through idiotic run-outs. What matters is how he scores. This mentality breeds problems where teams will refuse to score because getting out for 15 (95) is treated as better than 40 (40).

 

[CricketAnalyst]

This attitude should be criminal rather.

Manner of failure should never be the concern. As long as sample size is decent, no one should be concerned whether he is out slogging, or blocking or through idiotic run-outs. What matters is how he scores. This mentality breeds problems where teams will refuse to score because getting out for 15 (95) is treated as better than 40 (40).

And just to clarify, no I am not defending Hafeez. I am just saying the problem is he can't score out of Asia. Problem is not which particular way he got out.

 

[Rana]

What I hate about him is that he becomes so soft as an Individual against non-asian teams. Hes appologizing and smiling at aggressive bowlers and opposition who are sledging him out of the ground. Anyone remember when he was trying to tap Dale Steyn with the bat, in good nature ofcourse but the question is, why do you need to become so soft? This bowler/guy/guys are not your friends in a match. Why are are becoming even more softer than you are against them already?!?!

 

[street cricketer]

This attitude should be criminal rather.

Manner of failure should never be the concern. As long as sample size is decent, no one should be concerned whether he is out slogging, or blocking or through idiotic run-outs. What matters is how he scores. This mentality breeds problems where teams will refuse to score because getting out for 15 (95) is treated as better than 40 (40).

I wasn't blaming him because he played an aerial shot. I said such a shot was criminal because he literally "scooped" a short ball that was barely chest high and guided it into the hands of the only fielder guarding the deep square leg boundary. Firstly that is a very poor technique of playing the short ball and secondly, you have to be lacking match awareness to guide any genuine short ball into a lone deep fielder's hands, let alone a barely chest high ball that could have been easily played along the ground by rolling his wrists over.

Thirdly, it's absolutely suicidal when you do all this while trying to save a game during any point of the match, let alone in the very first or second over of the innings.

Btw, number of balls played has great significance in Test cricket unlike LOIs (where it's affects inversely) as you would like the new ball to be blunted as soon as possible so that even if that batsman gets out, the next batsmen in line can play freely through the line and make hay with it until the second new ball is taken or the old ball itself starts reverse swinging (if it's on offer). I would gladly take a 30 (120) innings over a 40 (40) innings from a top order batsman in places like England, South Africa or New Zealand where the ball is expected to move around, so that the middle order can play freely and not collapse under swing. Obviously I would prefer the latter type innings if there is a bigger disparity in the number of runs scored.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hafeez has never been a team player and his idiotic shots in both inns in this match were testament to that, the sooner he goes the better.

 

[yasir]

Bhai jaan you are poorly informed or you hardly follow test cricket.

Sami aslam was given a chance in both odis and tests.
In odis he scored a 40
But he failed in all his 4 innings against Bangladesh..
Hence he was rightly dropped and shan masood reinstated.

Masood then almost became a permanent fixture of the test side by scoring that 100 in the 4th innings vs SL in test matches where Pakistan chased 370.

However Masood then failed against England in UAE so Azhar was played as an opener in the 3rd test match.

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Again, this is going by stats. I saw one of those innings, he made 20 odd runs but what impressed me was his technique against new ball, that was superior than others, he got out against spinner, so what?

This also shows that our think tank also works like most PPers who focus on stats and not really watch the game. Right now everybody is slamming Amir, because he has not lived up to what fan expected. He should be dropped now right? - He is still the best fast bowler we have, people just want instance result... Dump it if you don't get them...

If you are only going to look at stats and not actual game, If you don't have capability to analyze players technique than you should not be coach. No matter how much runs Hafeez scores in UAE, he still does not cut for me as opener so is Shaun or Shezad. They all have opposite technique than what is required for opener, why I would invest in them, if I really understand game?? - When they justify players selection based on stats and never explain why they keep selecting technically deficient players, its either corruption or Cricket literacy is not part of culture in Pakistan, both are bad for future.

By this approach they are also sending wrong message to the next up coming openers, we are telling them to play like Hafeez and Shezad, fish around, go for the ball and wait for it...Don't learn the business of reading length and line, which you don't need on low and slow wickets, keep playing flashy shots on front foot, because all coaches, selectors, fans ever look at are stats... What this culture how can we ever produce an opener? - A guy with Cook style technique (which he had even in very first test) would never be nurtured and appreciated. Nobody will ever try to be proper opener, because frankly, that has no scope in Pakistan batting culture.

Stop just looking at stats, there is more to cricket than stats guru

Another bubble busted by Sami, that world will come to end if Misbah and YK retires. Nobody has temperament to play test cricket, that's why we have to keep playing them till they are 50...

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I wasn't blaming him because he played an aerial shot. I said such a shot was criminal because he literally "scooped" a short ball that was barely chest high and guided it into the hands of the only fielder guarding the deep square leg boundary. Firstly that is a very poor technique of playing the short ball and secondly, you have to be lacking match awareness to guide any genuine short ball into a lone deep fielder's hands, let alone a barely chest high ball that could have been easily played along the ground by rolling his wrists over.

Thirdly, it's absolutely suicidal when you do all this while trying to save a game during any point of the match, let alone in the very first or second over of the innings.

Btw, number of balls played has great significance in Test cricket unlike LOIs (where it's affects inversely) as you would like the new ball to be blunted as soon as possible so that even if that batsman gets out, the next batsmen in line can play freely through the line and make hay with it until the second new ball is taken or the old ball itself starts reverse swinging (if it's on offer). I would gladly take a 30 (120) innings over a 40 (40) innings from a top order batsman in places like England, South Africa or New Zealand where the ball is expected to move around, so that the middle order can play freely and not collapse under swing. Obviously I would prefer the latter type innings if there is a bigger disparity in the number of runs scored.

Sure. Sometimes slow scoring is better in Tests, and equally some times fast scoring is better. In general it's best to treat it as though scoring rate does not matter.

As I said in my other comment, I am not defending his standard of play. He's been a passenger. If you are on about the quality of shot and choice, I agree. More than that, what I am upset is, if you choose to play such a shot, commit to it. If he had gone hard, that would have been 6 because he timed it perfectly.

Having watched Pakistan play, I cannot agree that they should have played slowly though. Even before the last day I said that if they try to win, they may have a chance, but the moment they are playing only for a draw they will collapse. That's almost exactly what happened. As long as Azhar and Sami were scoring briskly, it was all fine, but they went in their shell and then England just hammered away till they got the reward.

 

[Im Suds]

Numbers tell you that He is amongst Top 3 Test Openers Produced by Us in 67 years.


Tours outside UAE, SL, India, Bangladesh, Zim, WI tell you that He has been Average with a small Sample Set.


Age and Current Performances and fitness tell you that Perform soon otherwise curtains around.


Jaahid & Imam both do not have impressive Fc numbers but both are on the rise. Jaahid has a A+ Pakistan A tour of England.


If You go back 3,4 months than Yes Hafeez waz the best Opener in Pakistan along with Naeemuddin. Naeemuddin is more solid, has better temperament and better technique but Hafeez got edge over him in last 6 years because of Bowling plus Hafeez had better fitness. But the number of Tests Toufeeq & Khurram played in comeback plus the tests which Shan played should all have been played by Naeemuddin. He should have opened with Hafeez.


If Hafeez makes the Oval Test which would be very difficult than He may score there. Last Test He looked great while playing that 40 odd runs knock until he gifted his wicket by conc. lapse.


Hafeez has scored a 95 on his previous tour of England and he along with Shafique are the only players who have fluency in their batting against Pace Bowlers and i think in last 6 years Hafeez has highest SR for Pakistan in Test Cricket for our Top 6 Batsman.


In 2013 SA tour it was Steyn's brilliance plus Hafeez's Poor defence & technique. In 2016 uptil now in England Hafeez's defence & technique has improved but batting discipline & conc. has regressed resulting in a poor Test Series uptil now.


Won't rate Hafeez higher than Saeed Anwar or Shoaib Mohammad but will put him in top 3-4 of all time Test Openers who represented us.


Had he got a batting temperature, batting discipline and Conc. like Misbah or Younis than with the same technique Hafeez would have been averaging 5-6 runs more than his current Test Average but He has served Pakistan well in last 6 years overall in all 3 formats but like Yousuf he has not delivered in ICC tournaments and like Shoaib Malik his performances against Top 4 Bowling Teams in all formats have not been good or very good.


A mixed bag but merited selection.


Best Spin Bowling Allrounder Pakistan has produced. Yes better than Malik.



Gets too much Criticism & Hate.



Hafeez was part of One of the most stylish and elegant batting Partnerships of Pakistan in Odi Cricket in last 6 years outside Asia. Hafeez & Babar Azam partnership in NZ.

[MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] you agree ?

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To summarise:
He's been decent on UAE pitches but absolutely awful in uk, sa and elsewhere.
Given the above To say he s in top five all time openers for Pakistan is not supported by the evidence.
I am not a hater but the amount we debate on average players like hafeez is perhaps a reason why upcoming players like Sami don't get more opportunities.
Against hafeez Sami looked the snr player. He has a very simple but very effective method of being effective .
There are other players in Pakistan like this but they don't get enough air time because a) hafeez is articulate b) ppl are advocating for hafeez with brisk rush statements