Mohammad Rizwan fasting during tour of South Africa and Zimbabwe

[SM1989]

So you don't think fan's opinion matters? If all fans stop watchig cricket then how will PCB generate revenue? The time and resources I invest in this game indirectly benefits PCB so why do you think our opinion doesn't matter?

It doesn't when it comes to issues such as fasting as this is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Pakistani fans (majority of whom are muslim) in Ramadan should be focusing on personal spiritual development and not fretting over a pointless zimbabwe test series.

 

[MRSN]

It doesn't when it comes to issues such as fasting as this is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Pakistani fans (majority of whom are muslim) in Ramadan should be focusing on personal spiritual development and not fretting over a pointless zimbabwe test series.

Your argument is illogical because the world doesn't revolve around Islamic calender and what if we have world cup in Ramazan? The fasting is not an issue as I have said it clearly but it is also not a personal issue when players doesn't want to rest. Players take long leaves for personal matters so why not for fasting if it is indeed a personal matter? It's only a personal matter if it doesn't affect your team but we know it does. Human without energy can't guarantee his best.

 

[silentkiller187]

So you don't think fan's opinion matters? If all fans stop watchig cricket then how will PCB generate revenue? The time and resources I invest in this game indirectly benefits PCB so why do you think our opinion doesn't matter?

what matters more, the opinion of a physio, nutrionist, sports scientist that knows the professional game and has been around the player or the opinion of a fan or armchair expert who at most probably played a bit of amateur cricket once upon a time. If sportsmen are being allowed to take the field whilst fasting then the argument stops right there, it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.

 

[Shazzam]

what matters more, the opinion of a physio, nutrionist, sports scientist that knows the professional game and has been around the player or the opinion of a fan or armchair expert who at most probably played a bit of amateur cricket once upon a time. If sportsmen are being allowed to take the field whilst fasting then the argument stops right there, it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.

If it does not matter what anybody thinks than there is no reason to have a thread about it where opinions that disagree with it also exist. I guess you guys are forgetting this is a discussion forum by repeating this nonsense.

 

[silentkiller187]

If it does not matter what anybody thinks than there is no reason to have a thread about it where opinions that disagree with it also exist. I guess you guys are forgetting this is a discussion forum by repeating this nonsense.

im not saying the opinion doesn't matter, im simply asking whos opinion holds more weight?

 

[MRSN]

what matters more, the opinion of a physio, nutrionist, sports scientist that knows the professional game and has been around the player or the opinion of a fan or armchair expert who at most probably played a bit of amateur cricket once upon a time. If sportsmen are being allowed to take the field whilst fasting then the argument stops right there, it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.

You don't need to be a physio, nutrionist or scientist to know what fasting does to a human body especially during its peak and ending hours.

 

[Shazzam]

im not saying the opinion doesn't matter, im simply asking whos opinion holds more weight?

Obviously those who are in charge of these players have more control of what to suggest to these players. But it doesn’t mean its always right as proven from our medical staff where careers of some players were ruined.

With that said a fan should always value there own opinion over those who are close to these players. As non of us know there intentions of why they do what they do. They and us are in different situations. Its totally possible they fear the backlash from the press due to how sensitive the world is to these things.

 

[MRSN]

im not saying the opinion doesn't matter, im simply asking whos opinion holds more weight?

Have you ever done fasting yourself and worked for 10 straight hours with full efficiency?

 

[James]

His personal choice.

 

[silentkiller187]

You don't need to be a physio, nutrionist or scientist to know what fasting does to a human body especially during its peak and ending hours.

well their job is to ensure the player is at their optimum performance level, and I'm sure they have a lot more of an understanding of what fasting does to the body , and they do not have an issue, so again simply asking whos opinion holds more weight? The professional hired by the team to oversee such matters, or an armchair fan who has probably played sports at an amateur level at most.

 

[silentkiller187]

Have you ever done fasting yourself and worked for 10 straight hours with full efficiency?

ive been doing this for the past 25/26 days , and my mindset is in a much better place then it was 30 days ago so honestly i feel i am more efficient right now.

 

[MRSN]

well their job is to ensure the player is at their optimum performance level, and I'm sure they have a lot more of an understanding of what fasting does to the body , and they do not have an issue, so again simply asking whos opinion holds more weight? The professional hired by the team to oversee such matters, or an armchair fan who has probably played sports at an amateur level at most.

Because they would not want to risk losing their job stating an obvious.

 

[silentkiller187]

Obviously those who are in charge of these players have more control of what to suggest to these players. But it doesn’t mean its always right as proven from our medical staff where careers of some players were ruined.

With that said a fan should always value there own opinion over those who are close to these players. As non of us know there intentions of why they do what they do. They and us are in different situations. Its totally possible they fear the backlash from the press due to how sensitive the world is to these things.

Because they would not want to risk losing their job stating an obvious.

Maybe in pakistan because pakistanis are the most judgmental people you will find, however in the west for example Riyad Mahrez was applauded just two days ago, champions league semi final, man of the match performance, fasting. im sure a coach like PEP does not care about losing his job by stating the obvious yet he still selected the player. Football is a lot more intense then cricket so if it was a problem i am sure the player would not be selected.

 

[Shazzam]

Maybe in pakistan because pakistanis are the most judgmental people you will find, however in the west for example Riyad Mahrez was applauded just two days ago, champions league semi final, man of the match performance, fasting. im sure a coach like PEP does not care about losing his job by stating the obvious yet he still selected the player. Football is a lot more intense then cricket so if it was a problem i am sure the player would not be selected.

You see this is exactly why you can’t compare football to cricket just like you can’t compare Pakistan to the west. Our culture is very different. We react differently to what you would expect. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

If a player was not selected due to fasting than the public would not react well to it in Pakistan. So why would any medical professional risk there own lively hood by telling the players the truth?

 

[silentkiller187]

You see this is exactly why you can’t compare football to cricket just like you can’t compare Pakistan to the west. Our culture is very different. We react differently to what you would expect. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

If a player was not selected due to fasting than the public would not react well to it in Pakistan. So why would any medical professional risk there own lively hood by telling the players the truth?

sport is sport , what are the factors affected, mental concentration? fitness? physicality? all prevalent a lot more in football than cricket. The game maybe shorter but you could run 10-12km in 90 mins as a footballer so whilst i agree to some respect football is different , it is different because it demands more from the athlete.

This is the whole argument though, there is no reason for a player not to be selected, it only seems to be an issue here with pakistan. Ive been watching sport for about 30 years, everytime around ramadhan you hear stories of athletes from all sports fasting, i can say hand on heart honestly this is the only time ive heard it being questioned.

The culture is very different, but without meaning to be offensive medical standards are far more progressive in countries like England for example especially when it comes to professional sport. If there was a problem with fasting they would spot it, and they would not hesitate to make it clear to the player they wouldn't be able to play because of fasting, then it would be the choice of the player to fast and drop out or not fast and play, but again ive never seen this, instead all ive heard of is footballers raising there game in the last few weeks whilst fasting, i.e. Riyad Mahrez, Benrahma , Pogba etc. Many conunty cricketers are also fasting at the moment. Maybe in Pakistan these stories are reported differently but here in the west this is probably the only time you hear positive stories about muslins so long may it continue.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So you don't think fan's opinion matters? If all fans stop watchig cricket then how will PCB generate revenue? The time and resources I invest in this game indirectly benefits PCB so why do you think our opinion doesn't matter?

Fans can opine, but fans cannot DECIDE whether he will fast or not fast. (read the first sentence of post #162)

If there are fans who think they are going to DECIDE for Rizwan on his fasting, then they are better off investing in something that could indirectly benefit whatever they like to watch.

As stated by someone else here, his employer can decide whether he plays or not, but we cannot and we should not decide he fasts or not fasts. This is his personal matter.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Fasting may be affects your performance but who cares if you're playing against lower ranked team.

 

[shamaan]

So you don't think fan's opinion matters? If all fans stop watchig cricket then how will PCB generate revenue? The time and resources I invest in this game indirectly benefits PCB so why do you think our opinion doesn't matter?

Do you think your opinion or my opinion is going to change the decision of the player who will or won't fast.

 

[Saj]

He's been fasting throughout the 2nd Test against Zimbabwe also.

 

[shamaan]

You don't need to be a physio, nutrionist or scientist to know what fasting does to a human body especially during its peak and ending hours.

Please explain what it does to a human body .

 

[moghul]

Rizwan until recently was considered one of the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world, but during the test series against a minnow, he was dropping catches and could not score much runs, the reason is obvious, he was fasting.

He got away in t20, as it was a short game, but playing test cricket while fasting , that too as keeper and batsman, and that too in the last 10 days of Ramzan , just not possible. Rizwan should have made his priorities right.

He was paid to give his 100% but he did not, his excuse, he was fasting .

 

[MenInG]

Rizwan until recently was considered one of the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world, but during the test series against a minnow, he was dropping catches and could not score much runs, the reason is obvious, he was fasting.

He got away in t20, as it was a short game, but playing test cricket while fasting , that too as keeper and batsman, and that too in the last 10 days of Ramzan , just not possible. Rizwan should have made his priorities right.

He was paid to give his 100% but he did not, his excuse, he was fasting .

Let me know where he said he performed less due to fasting?

 

[TabishNator]

Rizwan until recently was considered one of the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world, but during the test series against a minnow, he was dropping catches and could not score much runs, the reason is obvious, he was fasting.

He got away in t20, as it was a short game, but playing test cricket while fasting , that too as keeper and batsman, and that too in the last 10 days of Ramzan , just not possible. Rizwan should have made his priorities right.

He was paid to give his 100% but he did not, his excuse, he was fasting .

So I guess Babar was fasting too? What about Shaheen?

Just because he couldn't perform doesn't mean it was because of the fast lol.

 

[OMB]

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[moghul]

Let me know where he said he performed less due to fasting?

All you have to do is to look at his performance. One has to be a superhuman to be able to perform at 100% capability as keeper and as batsman while fasting. Every summer I see many patients particularly young men from nearby police academy who develop rhabdomyolysis while training hard in warm weather . I just saw two this week and weather is not hot right now in NJ. Hope Rizwan does not develop any health issue with his fasting and playing test cricket.

 

[shamaan]

All you have to do is to look at his performance. One has to be a superhuman to be able to perform at 100% capability as keeper and as batsman while fasting. Every summer I see many patients particularly young men from nearby police academy who develop rhabdomyolysis while training hard in warm weather . I just saw two this week and weather is not hot right now in NJ. Hope Rizwan does not develop any health issue with his fasting and playing test cricket.

Explain what health issues he may occur?

 

[Zaz]

How many chances did he miss during the test series?

I only have an issue if he missed chances and his performamce level dropped

 

[Saj]

How many chances did he miss during the test series?

I only have an issue if he missed chances and his performamce level dropped

Very few I'd say and it hardly cost Pakistan the match or the series.

Looked good enough to me.

 

[OMB]

All you have to do is to look at his performance. One has to be a superhuman to be able to perform at 100% capability as keeper and as batsman while fasting. Every summer I see many patients particularly young men from nearby police academy who develop rhabdomyolysis while training hard in warm weather . I just saw two this week and weather is not hot right now in NJ. Hope Rizwan does not develop any health issue with his fasting and playing test cricket.

You made a statement along the lines of "Rizwan gave fasting as an excuse to not give his 100%".

 

[ChTab]

I don't know why people are complaining it is an amazing feat to fast while playing a test match & his performances were much better than our captain who wasn't fasting & scored a mamoth 2 runs in 2 inns vs the mighty Zimbabwe.

 

[moghul]

You made a statement along the lines of "Rizwan gave fasting as an excuse to not give his 100%".

Its simply ridiculous , if you are so religious, then be ready to sacrifice something , take time off from test matches . Its nothing but greed not to let your test match fee go and playing test match while fasting.

He dropped catches and scored not a single fifty against a club level team against which even pathetic players like Abid Ali and Azhar Ali scored tons. Rizwan, while not fasting is a much better keeper and batsman, he has scored runs against much better team where Abid and Azhar failed miserably .

 

[silentkiller187]

Its simply ridiculous , if you are so religious, then be ready to sacrifice something , take time off from test matches . Its nothing but greed not to let your test match fee go and playing test match while fasting.

He dropped catches and scored not a single fifty against a club level team against which even pathetic players like Abid Ali and Azhar Ali scored tons. Rizwan, while not fasting is a much better keeper and batsman, he has scored runs against much better team where Abid and Azhar failed miserably .

so in all his previous matches when not fasting did he score a 50 and not drop a single catch in every game. if not then your argument is invalid as the variables are inconsistent. Therefore it becomes your opinion unfortunately, and the opinion of a professional sports man weighs more than yours on this topic i am afraid.

 

[Snowflake]

so in all his previous matches when not fasting did he score a 50 and not drop a single catch in every game. if not then your argument is invalid as the variables are inconsistent. Therefore it becomes your opinion unfortunately, and the opinion of a professional sports man weighs more than yours on this topic i am afraid.

What about science though?

 

[silentkiller187]

What about science though?

as previously stated in this thread, theres plenty of professional sports scientists employed by sports teams across the world, from basketball to football to cricket American football. You will find examples from all these sports of athletes fasting whilst playing the game. If there was a problem with fasting and playing sport or if it was dangerous, the sports scientist would not let the player partake simple as. so it seems like science is on the side of the players?

 

[hitthestump]

Its simply ridiculous , if you are so religious, then be ready to sacrifice something , take time off from test matches . Its nothing but greed not to let your test match fee go and playing test match while fasting.

On what basis do you think Rizwan did this for financial reasons?

 

[Caved12]

Fans can opine, but fans cannot DECIDE whether he will fast or not fast. (read the first sentence of post #162)

If there are fans who think they are going to DECIDE for Rizwan on his fasting, then they are better off investing in something that could indirectly benefit whatever they like to watch.

As stated by someone else here, his employer can decide whether he plays or not, but we cannot and we should not decide he fasts or not fasts. This is his personal matter.

I never said that. Please go back and read my posts again.

 

[Caved12]

What about science though?

Science has been challenged here in this thread for something as simple as this. The ball is in our court now
and we must prove the science behind all this. I was going to write something up, but then got sidetracked with Eid and all.