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Seems like Indian has finally found a world class bowler, he has just rattled the Aussie batting line up, the openers who has been consistent, their stand has been broken by the kid. It's good to see India finally finding a world class pacer.

Mohammed Shami, Zaheer Khan, Parvez Rasool and Vinay Kumar/ Ishant should be the regular bowlers. :moyo

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I would'nt say world class based on this performance. Ishant was also hailed as world class. Indian bowlers have a nack of fading away quickly.
 
Bhuvi instead of Vinay should have been the call.

He is on now for his second spell.
 
He is good for India.But Dhoni likes Ishant and VK.

Shami did well vs Pakistan but was dropped and Ishant continues to play.Shami did well vs Zim but again Ishant came back.

Ishant and VK are not international standard.
 
Are you talking about shami ahmed? From what I saw he looked like another agarkar. Not very good
 
Overrate every other fast bowler is "Just Indian thing". The word "World Class" is too heavy for him. Only Bhuvneshwar is one decent pacer in Indian team right now.
 
Abdul Ahad said:
Overrate every other fast bowler is "Just Indian thing". The word "World Class" is too heavy for him. Only Bhuvneshwar is one decent pacer in Indian team right now.
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overrating every other fast bowlers/batsman is a "PP" thing, no one in India gives a damn about Mohammad Shami, we know he will fade away quickly. Its others (OP) who seem to get impressed with our seamers even before we know their name.
 
He bowled a decent last over against Fualkner, if that over was bowled by Ishant we know he would have been hit for five or four sixes.
 
Shami is decent. Nothing special. He is just a shorter version of Ishant.

One good game followed by 3 games of phainty.

I have not seen Shami bowl a yorker or bowl an aggressive bouncer that suggests that he is any different from Munaf or Nehra or Ishant.

India is a land of trundlers and it will not change as long as selectors keep picking the 120-135kmph bowlers.

Who would want to be a bowler in India anyways. You have to toiil like a donkey only to be smashed by batsmen like they are some worthless bugs.
 
He is not a trundler was in mid to high 80s, but we have to see him in tests for more accurate pace bracket. At present we can say that as compared to other Indian bowlers, he is well built and was atleast bending his back.
 
World class????? Good bowler hopefully will get more chances definitly has potential but word class is really stretching it.
 
amax said:
He is not a trundler was in mid to high 80s, but we have to see him in tests for more accurate pace bracket. At present we can say that as compared to other Indian bowlers, he is well built and was atleast bending his back.
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most bowler we are producing now are not tundlers they are not express either ..
in tests he should probably average around 134 k and i actually have high hopes from him in test format as he bowls full and swings the ball late both ways .

lets hope unlike most bowlers we have produced he improves instead of regressing but he has shown good signs as he increased pace while bowling in a tours and some other matches and in interview he said he worked hard in gym to get fitter and stronger so atleast he has bit of brain ,to me that is half the battle won .:p

other guy who can make impact in test side is ishwar pandey who was very impressive in recent a tour of south africa and even he is working in increasing pace .

anyway lets not hype him but also why not be happy for a youngster who performed well today in flat track and single handedly destroyed top order of a good side
if it was not for a drop he would have taken first 4 wickets in space of 5 overs! that is impressive in any format against any team so why not congratulate him for that?
 
amax said:
He is not a trundler was in mid to high 80s, but we have to see him in tests for more accurate pace bracket. At present we can say that as compared to other Indian bowlers, he is well built and was atleast bending his back.
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Yup avg speed of 87MPH and Top speed of 89.5 MPH.

So he is not a trundler.Thats sharp enough and will be good enough if he can move the ball the way he did today.
 
People calling him a trundler, it was because of the pace he got the wickets, he is immensely talented I just hope he doesn't lose his pace and concentrate on line and length. Don't just judge him by looking at the scorecard, watch his wickets and match then make the statement.

Ishant lost his pace, and his line and length. He is only good at growing his hair long and getting smashed by batsman and celebrate after a batsman is caught at the boundary line.
 
World class or not, time will tell. But if he can swing the ball both ways at 140, then most Indians would be happy.
 
Looked good, but many bowlers from India have looked good at the start and then faded away so we should wait a bit. One good thing for him is that he has experience of many A tours so that should help him
 
Unless I see him get a 5fer, I am not going to be very hopeful of him. For me, he is just another addition in long line of regular trundlers like Zaheer, Ishant, Umesh Yadav, R P Singh, Irfan Pathan, Vinay Kumar etc etc..
 
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Bushroda said:
Unless I see him get a 5fer, I am not going to be very hopeful of him. For me, he is just another addition in long line of regular trundlers like Zaheer, Ishant, Umesh Yadav, R P Singh, Irfan Pathan, Vinay Kumar etc etc..
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Lol Yadav a trundler?
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
That :shakib and :moyo

If you know what I mean? :amla
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He is not a Bengali.

He is from UP, plays for West Bengal.

And another average-ish bowler. If he keeps it at 85, and gets swing, he has potential.

If he succumbs to Indian bowling disease which is to come down from the highs of 85 to 80, then he will just be another in the long line of trundlers.

But I did think he deserved a chance after the series against us - looked better than those that had already fallen away (e.g. Ishant).
 
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Bushroda said:
Patience! My dear Watson.

I saw Yadav bowl at 152 K in IPL-IV. Its only a matter of couple of years. Then, there won't be any difference between in Vinay Kumar & Yadav's pace.
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He has played for India for over 3 years now and hasnt lost pace.God forbid if he has an injury after 2-3 years and loses pace well that has happened to a lot of fast bowlers around the world including Pakistanis.That doesnt make him a trundler.

Sherlock Holmes if he existed would be turning in his grave at your illogical statement.
 
Too early to call him world class, but it was good to see him bowl sensibly and with discipline. The Finch dismissal was a perfect example. Pitch the ball on the right lines and close to the batsmen.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He has played for India for over 3 years now and hasnt lost pace.God forbid if he has an injury after 2-3 years and loses pace well that has happened to a lot of fast bowlers around the world including Pakistanis.That doesnt make him a trundler.
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Never saw him reach 150K in International cricket. 144K max.

In Champions Trophy, he was around 138.

He is going Munaf's way.

cricketjoshila said:
Sherlock Holmes if he existed would be turning in his grave at your illogical statement.
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Come 2015 & we will see how quick he bowls.
 
Bushroda said:
Never saw him reach 150K in International cricket. 144K max.

In Champions Trophy, he was around 138.

He is going Munaf's way.



Come 2015 & we will see how quick he bowls.
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He was bowling 150ks in Australia.

Was clocked at 148ks in CT.

What are you on about.
 
I think Varon Aaron is still the best fast bowling talent in Inda. He has better control than Umesh and equally quick. Aaron is returning to domestic cricket this season after injury. Aaron/Umesh/Ishant/Bhuvi/Shami are best fast bowling options available for India for the tour of SA.
 
IamIndian said:
I think Varon Aaron is still the best fast bowling talent in Inda. He has better control than Umesh and equally quick. Aaron is returning to domestic cricket this season after injury. Aaron/Umesh/Ishant/Bhuvi/Shami are best fast bowling options available for India for the tour of SA.
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Zaheer?
 
cricketjoshila said:
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For Champs trophy search the thread on PP.I think The fastest balls of Yadav/Best/Riaz were posted here.

Yadav was around 148ks.
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Thanks very much

More than glad to eat humble pies. :snack:

Usually saw him bowling around 138. Thats why said that.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Shami is decent. Nothing special. He is just a shorter version of Ishant.

One good game followed by 3 games of phainty.

I have not seen Shami bowl a yorker or bowl an aggressive bouncer that suggests that he is any different from Munaf or Nehra or Ishant.

India is a land of trundlers and it will not change as long as selectors keep picking the 120-135kmph bowlers.

Who would want to be a bowler in India anyways. You have to toiil like a donkey only to be smashed by batsmen like they are some worthless bugs.
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Then I don't know what game you've been watching. There were at least 3 yorkers by Shami in one single over(the final over of the innings) yesterday.
 
He was very good v Pak in Delhi and then superb yesterday.

He got it to shape and zip too. Very good. Must play every odi and test for India.
 
Although he is an indian but he is also a muslim so I would not write him off completely, he has a chance to become a pretty good bowler.
 
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All beaten by pace, he is fast, also Kohli dropped a catch, we could have picked up a fifer :kohli
 
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srh said:
Although he is an indian but he is also a muslim so I would not write him off completely, he has a chance to become a pretty good bowler.
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Kapil Dev, Bedi, Kumble, Chandrasekhar were all Muslims? :amla
 
was awesome yesterday.Dunno how Ishant was keeping him out

hope hes backed now
 
srh said:
Although he is an indian but he is also a muslim so I would not write him off completely, he has a chance to become a pretty good bowler.
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I would like to back him up, the indian muslim fast bowlers in recent years have done quite well for example Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan in Oz and now Mohammed Shami, also Parvez Rasool the spinner is doing quite well. Vinay, Ishant, Unadkat looks like club bowlers compared to Shami, Shami also got bounced, his short balls were very well directed and caused problems unlike Ishant's.

I think this will be a decent attack. Shami sharing the new ball with Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Zaheer Khan coming in next and Rasool and Jadeja later create pressure and pick up wickets. Quite a decent bowling line up this.
 
Problem with 'promising' Indian fast bowlers is that they quickly lose it and fade away. Out of all the asian teams Pakistan clearly produces the best ever pacers and still today.
 
Don't bring religion up in Indian team please..we do not even think about these things .
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
I would like to back him up, the indian muslim fast bowlers in recent years have done quite well for example Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan in Oz and now Mohammed Shami, also Parvez Rasool the spinner is doing quite well. Vinay, Ishant, Unadkat looks like club bowlers compared to Shami, Shami also got bounced, his short balls were very well directed and caused problems unlike Ishant's.
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The much maligned Ishant Sharma did extremely well in 2008. Umesh Yadav also did reasonably well in last year Oz tour even though they are not muslims. Also, Zaheer khan, Irfan Pathan, Ishant Sharma, & Umesh Yadav all have been taken to cleaners irrespective of the religion they belong to. None of their averages are much too different from each other.

I guess the batsmen attacking them have been a lot secular in their mindset.

"Treat them all the same. No appeasement/punishment for anyone from specific community"
 
Bushroda said:
The much maligned Ishant Sharma did extremely well in 2008. Umesh Yadav also did reasonably well in last year Oz tour even though they are not muslims. Also, Zaheer khan, Irfan Pathan, Ishant Sharma, & Umesh Yadav all have been taken to cleaners irrespective of the religion they belong to. None of their averages are much too different from each other.

I guess the batsmen attacking them have been a lot secular in their mindset.

"Treat them all the same. No appeasement/punishment for anyone from specific community"
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Zaheer Khan though is a gun, he was considered on par with Jimmy Anderson as he was a smart cricketer, he improved miles, but because he gained weight and due to injury was left behind. Zaheer is a must, another impressive bowler that India produced was Javagal Srinath, I remember when speed guns were first invented everyone wanted to know how fast McGrath would have been but it was Srinath who blew everyone apart with his pace.

ZK, Mohammed Shami Ahmed, Bhuvneswar is a decent odi/ test attack.
 
Indian fast bowlers are like Chhota recharge offers,they are great when u get them the first tym and suddenly u are told after a while that they are not valid anymore!
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Zaheer Khan though is a gun, he was considered on par with Jimmy Anderson as he was a smart cricketer, he improved miles, but because he gained weight and due to injury was left behind. Zaheer is a must, another impressive bowler that India produced was Javagal Srinath, I remember when speed guns were first invented everyone wanted to know how fast McGrath would have been but it was Srinath who blew everyone apart with his pace.

ZK, Mohammed Shami Ahmed, Bhuvneswar is a decent odi/ test attack.
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So are you implying that Javagal Shrinath was also a muslim?
 
I don't rate Shami & Yadav in ODI, Instead I will go for Dernchbag :)))
Some one said he is like Agarkar type of bowler....Lols He is still not even near Nehra & R.P Singh
& btw Agarkar is the one of the leading wicket takers for India in ODI

I hope Shami is thrown out of Indian ODI team soon...don't want to see him in WorldCUp 2015 team
Ishant >> Shami
 
Chromeuser said:
I don't rate Shami & Yadav in ODI, Instead I will go for Dernchbag :)))
Some one said he is like Agarkar type of bowler....Lols He is still not even near Nehra & R.P Singh
& btw Agarkar is the one of the leading wicket takers for India in ODI

I hope Shami is thrown out of Indian ODI team soon...don't want to see him in WorldCUp 2015 team
Ishant >> Shami
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WTH!! Are you for real... How old are you... You hope 'Shami is thrown out of Indian ODI team'... why and for what...LOL.. cuz some one said he is like Agarkar type of bowler
 
I hope he does well.

In SA and England, he could cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

BK, Shami and Mohit Sharma would make a good attack.
 
rahulrulezz said:
WTH!! Are you for real... How old are you... You hope 'Shami is thrown out of Indian ODI team'... why and for what...LOL.. cuz some one said he is like Agarkar type of bowler
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Because he looks mediocre bowler.
His ODI stats after 1 or 2 years will speak everything.
You can boomark this page or save my quote & show me after 2 years.
 
The real bright spot for the bowlers from a series dominated by batsmen.
 
India does not need a great fast bowler a decent one will suffice, India's strength has been batting.

Shami seems good choice along with Bhuvi and Mohit (too early).

Hope Shami is picked for WI series so that he gets a decent look in before the SA series
 
Mohammed Shami

...but how long before he starts to fade away? Or is he the one..?
 
As per usual an India "fast" bowler starts his career off well, give it a year and he will be bowling gentle off-spin and then will dissapear of the face of the earth just like all the other "world class" and "great" Indian "fast" bowlers :D
 
I have faith in him, the guy gives his best. Decent bowler, wish him all the best. He bowled with pace in the odi series and was not bad in the death overs, give it to Ishant and they would have scored 30 odd lol.
 
srh said:
Although he is an indian but he is also a muslim so I would not write him off completely, he has a chance to become a pretty good bowler.
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Well in that case, i would be more worried about his off field antics than his on field antics..Hope he stays in good company :akram :aamir :asif
 
Would have ideally liked to have him spend some time with Zaheer, but that's looking bleaker by the day.
 
Good bowling today. And MSD allowed him to go for wickets rather than taking him off when he went for a few runs.
 
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