Naseem Shah withdrawn from National T20 Cup due to groin injury

[MenInG]

Naseem Shah withdrawn from National T20 Cup due to groin niggle

Rawalpindi, 10 October 2020:

Central Punjab fast bowler Naseem Shah has been withdrawn from the National T20 Cup after complaining of a niggle in groin.

He has been replaced in the Central Punjab squad by left-arm fast bowler Waqas Maqsood.

Naseem will now report at the National High Performance Centre in Lahore where the PCB medical panel will carry out a detailed and complete investigation on his injury.

Director – Medical and Sports Sciences, Dr Sohail Saleem: “Naseem is an asset who needs to be handled with care. As soon as he showed discomfort, we decided to withdraw him from the tournament and bring him to Lahore so that we can investigate the injury.”

The PCB will provide further updates on Naseem’s injury in due course.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

May this kid get the care he deserves, and not get ruined by the PCB medical team. Ameen.

 

[angrypathan]

For the love of God keep him away from the PCB medical panel.

 

[naseem]

Plz treat him well...... Hope PCB don't depend on its own medical panel and consult Australian or UK sports specialists

 

[Ryw]

Good decision, fast bowlers should always handled with extra care. Wish him speedy recovery.

 

[Saj]

I have to admit I worry about this kid.

There seems to be a lack of direction for him regarding how much he plays and when he plays.

Is there any proper planning or protection for him, because there doesn't appear to be.

At the moment he has another injury - a groin injury which he says is not very serious and he expects to start playing again next week. He's obviously very keen to keep on play8ing but I'm not sure if the PCB think tank have any proper plans for him.

I just hope he doesn't turn into another Rumman Raees or Hassan Ali.

 

[CleverSir]

I have to admit I worry about this kid.

There seems to be a lack of direction for him regarding how much he plays and when he plays.

Is there any proper planning or protection for him, because there doesn't appear to be.

At the moment he has another injury - a groin injury which he says is not very serious and he expects to start playing again next week. He's obviously very keen to keep on play8ing but I'm not sure if the PCB think tank have any proper plans for him.

I just hope he doesn't turn into another Rumman Raees or Hassan Ali.

Groin injuries are notoriously difficult. It is different for everyone. I hope they don't let him get back to training much less playing until he's 100%.

 

[Saj]

Groin injuries are notoriously difficult. It is different for everyone. I hope they don't let him get back to training much less playing until he's 100%.

Yes I know a lot about groin injuries having suffered from adductor muscle injuries several times when I played football. I needed cortizone injections to null the pain, but my concerns are whether Nasim's career is being managed properly or is it just a case of pick him when they can and wait for the next injury or until he is crocked for good.

 

[MMHS]

As I said two weeks back - he shouldn’t have played this rubbish. T20 doesn’t kill you in one shot but it doesn’t help rehabilitate for minor injuries, which won’t allow fast bowlers to play a full Test or couple of ODIs, but he can play few 4 overs jokes before even realising that some tendon, ligament or groin muscle is torn.

My best wishes for the guy - BUT, I am afraid he is out for NZ tour, at least ....... if not till May 2011.....

 

[Savak]

Yes I know a lot about groin injuries having suffered from adductor muscle injuries several times when I played football. I needed cortizone injections to null the pain, but my concerns are whether Nasim's career is being managed properly or is it just a case of pick him when they can and wait for the next injury or until he is crocked for good.

Waqar Younis is the bowling coach. If fast bowlers are not going to be carefully managed with him being the bowling coach then when?

 

[Titan24]

Director – Medical and Sports Sciences, Dr Sohail Saleem: “Naseem is an asset who needs to be handled with care. As soon as he showed discomfort, we decided to withdraw him from the tournament and bring him to Lahore so that we can investigate the injury.”.

Atlast a decent decision. I hope they can diagnose the issue and treat him well. Doesnt look like anything serious from the reports but with PCB’s medical panel things are rarely handled smoothly.

If its just a niggle he should be able to play QAE and which would be much better for his development.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

As I said two weeks back - he shouldn’t have played this rubbish. T20 doesn’t kill you in one shot but it doesn’t help rehabilitate for minor injuries, which won’t allow fast bowlers to play a full Test or couple of ODIs, but he can play few 4 overs jokes before even realising that some tendon, ligament or groin muscle is torn.

My best wishes for the guy - BUT, I am afraid he is out for NZ tour, at least ....... if not till May 2011.....

You get afraid about a lot of things.
Chill down. It is most likely a very minor problem which he has had in the past as well.

He has hardly played any cricket after the three tests, so the problem is not playing t20 cricket, but his action which he is not executing properly.

He has a side on first landing with his right foot, but his upper half is not matching it and is slightly open, which is why the left foot then has to compensate and follow where the arms are taking the body.
This dichotomy of conflicting motions creates a drag between the two legs and hence the groin gets stretched.

I have highlighted this countless times before that his upper half doesn't get side on enough for his action and that his bowling arm lands between his legs.
This is also the reason why he isnt taking as may wickets as he should do.

 

[MMHS]

You get afraid about a lot of things.
Chill down. It is most likely a very minor problem which he has had in the past as well.

He has hardly played any cricket after the three tests, so the problem is not playing t20 cricket, but his action which he is not executing properly.

He has a side on first landing with his right foot, but his upper half is not matching it and is slightly open, which is why the left foot then has to compensate and follow where the arms are taking the body.
This dichotomy of conflicting motions creates a drag between the two legs and hence the groin gets stretched.

I have highlighted this countless times before that his upper half doesn't get side on enough for his action and that his bowling arm lands between his legs.
This is also the reason why he isnt taking as may wickets as he should do.

If had only Waquar Younis could know this... I hope he reads PP regularly.

 

[shamaan]

As I said two weeks back - he shouldn’t have played this rubbish. T20 doesn’t kill you in one shot but it doesn’t help rehabilitate for minor injuries, which won’t allow fast bowlers to play a full Test or couple of ODIs, but he can play few 4 overs jokes before even realising that some tendon, ligament or groin muscle is torn.

My best wishes for the guy - BUT, I am afraid he is out for NZ tour, at least ....... if not till May 2011.....

I agree he shouldn't play the national cup and should have rested same with shaheen but he should be fit for New Zealand series even if its more than a minor injury

 

[shamaan]

You get afraid about a lot of things.
Chill down. It is most likely a very minor problem which he has had in the past as well.

He has hardly played any cricket after the three tests, so the problem is not playing t20 cricket, but his action which he is not executing properly.

He has a side on first landing with his right foot, but his upper half is not matching it and is slightly open, which is why the left foot then has to compensate and follow where the arms are taking the body.
This dichotomy of conflicting motions creates a drag between the two legs and hence the groin gets stretched.

I have highlighted this countless times before that his upper half doesn't get side on enough for his action and that his bowling arm lands between his legs.
This is also the reason why he isnt taking as may wickets as he should do.

But why risk players for these t20 tournaments would it not be best to say ok we need you to rest and continue getting stronger

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

But why risk players for these t20 tournaments would it not be best to say ok we need you to rest and continue getting stronger

Should the guy stop bowling?
He has hardly played much cricket.
The issue is technical and not stress related as people are trying to say.

 

[Xoib]

I hope they take naseem to nzl but with the A squad I would not mind naseem playing fc and A.tours for next couple of years I belive he has a very high ceiling but he needs to play a lot of 4 day cricket we are destroying him by playing so. Much test cricket at such an early stage.

 

[Saj]

Waqar Younis is the bowling coach. If fast bowlers are not going to be carefully managed with him being the bowling coach then when?

He's not a selector.

He can only advise the selectors.

 

[CleverSir]

He's not a selector.

He can only advise the selectors.

Just to add on. He isn't the training and fitness coach either whose responsibility it should be to manage player health. PCB Training, Fitness & Health departments need an overhaul.

 

[Saj]

Just to add on. He isn't the training and fitness coach either whose responsibility it should be to manage player health. PCB Training, Fitness & Health departments need an overhaul.

You are right.

Waqar can only advise. He cannot determine which series and tournaments Naseem plays or doesn't play.

 

[shamaan]

Just to add on. He isn't the training and fitness coach either whose responsibility it should be to manage player health. PCB Training, Fitness & Health departments need an overhaul.

But shouldn't he know if hes injury prone or not due to his heavy load on his back

 

[MenInG]

Media reports say that Naseem may be rested for the ODI Series vs Zimbabwe due to his injury as a precaution.

Wise move in my view.

 

[shamaan]

Media reports say that Naseem may be rested for the ODI Series vs Zimbabwe due to his injury as a precaution.

Wise move in my view.

Very wise move he should only play tests

 

[Shazzam]

Not sure why he’s so injury prone.

 

[Titan24]

Good decision. No point in debuting him in ODIs as of now against Zim, he should work on his fitness and play QAE when 100%.

 

[Caved12]

Naseem is always injured. I don't think he is as good as we thought he was and with all the injuries he is having, I seriously worry for this kid. Not sure what is going on with our pacers as they all are getting injured again and again. Hasan Ali, Rauf, Naseem, Shinwari, Amir and many more. I wonder if they are training or doing anything that can improve their health and fitness when they are away from teamor when they are not playing any cricket.

 

[Xoib]

Naseem is always injured. I don't think he is as good as we thought he was and with all the injuries he is having, I seriously worry for this kid. Not sure what is going on with our pacers as they all are getting injured again and again. Hasan Ali, Rauf, Naseem, Shinwari, Amir and many more. I wonder if they are training or doing anything that can improve their health and fitness when they are away from teamor when they are not playing any cricket.

Yawn one bad game on a patta where apart from ATG Jimmy no one looked like getting a wicket that too with 600 runs behind him and the knives are out.
Naseem has increadble skills he is just very raw and still does not know how to use these skills if PCB handles him well and he stays committed he will be world class bowler for atleast a decade.

 

[shamaan]

Not sure why he’s so injury prone.

He puts alot of stress on his back remember hes only 19 bowling at 88 mph takes alot of stress

 

[Caved12]

Yawn one bad game on a patta where apart from ATG Jimmy no one looked like getting a wicket that too with 600 runs behind him and the knives are out.
Naseem has increadble skills he is just very raw and still does not know how to use these skills if PCB handles him well and he stays committed he will be world class bowler for atleast a decade.

I really hope you are right and I am wrong as I want nothing but success for Naseem Shah!

 

[Xoib]

I really hope you are right and I am wrong as I want nothing but success for Naseem Shah!

Naseem I maintain is a level above Shaheen in terms of potential I put him closest to anything I have seen to a rookie Steyn who was also very under cooked on debut but had raw potential when he gets it right he moves it sharply both ways late from the length watch his fiver vs SL.

However he is very raw with some technical issues so he gets it right very rarley also his body is not strong enough yet to bowl these speeds in test cricket
In an ideal world he should be playing only fc cricket and A tours for two years however the dumb management thinks giving him on the job training vs England and Austrila on there pitches will suddenly make him world class.

 

[sindhiboy]

Naseem I maintain is a level above Shaheen in terms of potential I put him closest to anything I have seen to a rookie Steyn who was also very under cooked on debut but had raw potential when he gets it right he moves it sharply both ways late from the length watch his fiver vs SL.

However he is very raw with some technical issues so he gets it right very rarley also his body is not strong enough yet to bowl these speeds in test cricket
In an ideal world he should be playing only fc cricket and A tours for two years however the dumb management thinks giving him on the job training vs England and Austrila on there pitches will suddenly make him world class.

Shaheen has more variation than Naseem and less injury prone. I think that makes Shaheen better

 

[Xoib]

Shaheen has more variation than Naseem and less injury prone. I think that makes Shaheen better

Shaheen is more developed in his journey its true but no he is not ahead of Naseem in any facet other then the advantage he gets from his height. Naseem is very raw and its shocking the clueless management thought he is ready for test cricket that too in an inexperienced 4 man attack against 2 of the top 3 batting lineups in the world on their own pitches.
He needs to play fc cricket for two seasons atleast with some A tours and maybe you can play him here and there against lower test sides during this time period. His immense potential is being ruined by this current strategy.

 

[Saj]

He needs to be managed a lot better going forward.

The kid is still growing and is injury prone.

The PCB should be looking at proper plans for him in the coming months.

 

[MenInG]

Fast bowlers Hasan Ali and Naseem Shah were not considered for selection as they are recovering from injuries, but have been advised to play in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy to prove their fitness before they are considered for selection.[PCB Release]

 

[shamaan]

Fast bowlers Hasan Ali and Naseem Shah were not considered for selection as they are recovering from injuries, but have been advised to play in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy to prove their fitness before they are considered for selection.[PCB Release]

Naseem shouldn't be considered at all in limited overs

 

[MenInG]

Naseem Shah rehabilitation in progress at NHPC

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Hopefully doing some good work with Zahid. He should know a thing or two about injuries.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Still the same load up.
These injuries will keep on recurring unless he becomes completely side on, including his upper half.

 

[Omer2002]

he has already shortened his run up which in my opinion has made him less effective . Shoaib never cut his run up until he was 30

 

[naseem]

Naseem Shah rehabilitation in progress at NHPC

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Working on his legs and shoulder but he need to
Work on his action too.....without shortening the
Run up......need to go full side on and bowl closely
From stump

 

[Titan24]

he has already shortened his run up which in my opinion has made him less effective . Shoaib never cut his run up until he was 30

Your observation regarding shortening of run up is correct however, this has not at all impacted his pace which is a pretty good sign. If a bowler can maintain around the same pace with a shortened run up and overall same crease impact then it is something which is already preferable in the long run.

A long run up takes a big toll on the lower body when you ball a lot of overs in tests. We have seen Akhtar, Gul and Junaid all having knee issues and if you observe their runups they were quite long and that is something which could have possibly played a role in quick wear and tear of their lower bodies.

While not every human body is same but if a pace bowler can ball around the same pace with the shortened run up and without making much difference to the overall crease impact, I think thats a decent adjustment. Obviously Naseem will have to get more overs under his belt to get used to it but, in the long run it can help him.

 

[Xoib]

Your observation regarding shortening of run up is correct however, this has not at all impacted his pace which is a pretty good sign. If a bowler can maintain around the same pace with a shortened run up and overall same crease impact then it is something which is already preferable in the long run.

A long run up takes a big toll on the lower body when you ball a lot of overs in tests. We have seen Akhtar, Gul and Junaid all having knee issues and if you observe their runups they were quite long and that is something which could have possibly played a role in quick wear and tear of their lower bodies.

While not every human body is same but if a pace bowler can ball around the same pace with the shortened run up and without making much difference to the overall crease impact, I think thats a decent adjustment. Obviously Naseem will have to get more overs under his belt to get used to it but, in the long run it can help him.

I think the short run has taken some zip away from his bowling watch his spells in Australia as well tes vs sl and BD the zip he was getting was not in England even if pace remained same difficult to explain why but I think it played a role.

 

[Titan24]

I think the short run has taken some zip away from his bowling watch his spells in Australia as well tes vs sl and BD the zip he was getting was not in England even if pace remained same difficult to explain why but I think it played a role.

He was the fastest bowler in Eng in terms of average speed. Regarding the zip off the surface, the pitch plays a role too. If you see his delivery to Olie Pope in the first test, it had a lot of zip and Ollie didnt know much about that. Generally in England wickets do get decent carry but they dont generally offer as much zip as for example Aus. However on this Eng tour, some of the wickets didnt have that good of a carry and that is why you saw number of catches falling short. Even if you see young Amir's spell in Aus vs Eng, you can easily see the difference in the zip. Wickets in Pak against Srl and BD were really good and they had pretty good pace in them which allowed pace bowlers to remain in the game.

Just my observations, will have to see more of Naseem on different surfaces and after his adjustments in NCA and rehab.

 

[shamaan]

he has already shortened his run up which in my opinion has made him less effective . Shoaib never cut his run up until he was 30

I think the short run up is good in the long run as bowling from way back will put more pressure on his legs

 

[shamaan]

Should the guy stop bowling?
He has hardly played much cricket.
The issue is technical and not stress related as people are trying to say.

No he shouldn't stop bowling he should be managed properly and have a plan in process.hes stil a kid and bowls 89mph that's quite fast he should work on his technical stuff but that doesnt happen overnight

 

[Saj]

I asked him when he thinks he will play in the QeA Trophy. He stated that he thinks he should be fit by the 3rd round of matches.

 

[shamaan]

I asked him when he thinks he will play in the QeA Trophy. He stated that he thinks he should be fit by the 3rd round of matches.

How long is the 3rd round to New Zealand tour

 

[Abdullah719]

How long is the 3rd round to New Zealand tour

3rd round starts 6th Nov. NZ series is in late December, though Pakistan will probably be there by early December.

 

[shamaan]

3rd round starts 6th Nov. NZ series is in late December, though Pakistan will probably be there by early December.

Thankyou