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This is unsettling as hell. I don't know what else to say. 
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dajjal is coming.... up
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I think ill give this a go.
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Is it permissible to watch this
You're the type of person to say music is haram. Or is it...
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is not "Messiah" meant for Jesus? if yes then why you think it is about Dajjal?
Look at the cast list. They've named the character Dajjal. Also, the official twitter account of this show blocked a person who "gave away their plot twist" the guy said that he predicts the "messiah" will lose one eye as the show goes on as in Islam, we believe that Dajjal will only have one eye.
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This looks good.
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well it looks like its loosely inspired by the Dajaal prophecy. How are they going to fit in the other bits? e,g, the war with his supporters many who will be Jews?
Also the Dajjal may not actually have a one eye but his depth perception may be limited..listen to what shiekh Imran hosein says about him and i consider him probably the best modern exponent of islamic eschatology..
If I were anybody i would watch this as a pure work of fiction and will wait for reviews as there may be contentious bits in it like the second coming and Islam angels jinn etc..
Also the Dajjal may not actually have a one eye but his depth perception may be limited..listen to what shiekh Imran hosein says about him and i consider him probably the best modern exponent of islamic eschatology..
If I were anybody i would watch this as a pure work of fiction and will wait for reviews as there may be contentious bits in it like the second coming and Islam angels jinn etc..
Actually Dajjal does have one eye blind. His right eye which is part of good side spirituality is whereas left is part of bad side. Hence we have good and bad sides; right side is where angels will consult us and left side is where shaitans influence us. And dajjal is blind on right side which is not coincident. Hence dajjal will be accompanied with shaitans on the left side.
He is part human and part djinn who has been created as the response to the duas of Ibliss while at the same time is test - trials/tribulations for us.
Since dajjal is blind on the right eyes so that means dajjal is incapable of doing the right right deeds.
However, his third eyes will be either symbol or literal since he is part djinn / part human therefore we aka mankind can’t kill him not can fool him.
If anyone goes to him in person, he will be fooled thinking dajjal is Messiah. Dajjal will be so clever and so influential. His third eyes is very dangerous for us as he will deceived us through the third eyes. On the right side, he will literally have bulging eye out while in the middle between two eyes are third eyes while it will be written kufr for us.
Educated or uneducated Muslims will know that he is dajjal. And they will be convinced after dajjal will claim to be GOD after the process of Messiah/Avatar to appeal globally.
Dajjal has huge plans for the worlds and that includes India. And since India will be part of Greater Pakistan leading by rightly-guided leader aka Imam Mahdi In Sha ALLAH, dajjal will be miffed especially at Imam Mahdi and Greater Pakistan. Precisely why dajjal will come the worlds as response to Imam Mahdi and Greater Pakistan amassing armies all the ways to Jerusalem while on the way will be stopped to pray Fajr at Damascus, Syria and it is where Isa (PBUH) will come:
Lots of things will be happening at once so we won’t be able to keep track of all the things as mentioned in prophecy. Suffice to say that Greater Pakistan is main course as it is centre of attraction and connection between Imam Mahdi and Dajjal.
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lol sounds like an interesting fairy tail
Except it is true. I have been studying this topics for the long time. Became obsessed with it. Know it too close. In fact, Dajjal has headquarters built in the middle between Makkah and Madinah. It is where Dajjal will try to attack. Makkah and Madinah are the only places Dajjal can’t enter hence not coincident with his headquarter built between Makkah and Madinah with the cooperation of KSA rulings who will be equally threat to Imam Mahdi to preserve their status quo - their powers.
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Combination of many hadiths [strong and weak sources], prophecy of Awlia ALLAH, foreign sources / prophecies,.....etc, and lengthier research of years. But of course you don’t have to believe me nor would I try to make you believe me. Think of information as theory and wait for the time to tell. But awareness is preparation in bonus just to be safe.
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I don't think Greater Pakistan part is correct, not seen enough evidence to support this view. We also have to remember the Al-Malhama is most likely a nuclear war, this would surely include Pakistan/India, after which nothing much will be left worth claiming.
But for sure there is no doubt Jewish Zionism is preparing for this, in their view their Messiah. Plenty of evidence for this, including the immoral state of Israel.
Don't think I can post links so you'll have to find it yourself. I think you can find it on IMDB
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I checked IMDB, couldn't find it.
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Where have they named the character dajjal is what I'm asking. I can't find it on the list.
It says Al-Masih
Also, they've blocked twitter accounts for spoiling their plot-twists. Such as that the man will lose one eye. It's so obvious that the character is supposed to be Dajjal
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Okay, that's just Arabic for Messiah. I thought you meant they blatantly named some character dajjal.
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Yeah, that's pretty obvious. Twitter deleted their accounts or Netflix has blocked their accounts?
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It would have been Al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl but this would be too obvious.
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Netflix has blocked their accounts.
That's just a part of the name. It said Al-Masih Ad Dajjal
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Quite funny that the name of the actor playing the Dajjal is Mehdi. Most probably another sign.
Middle East will be used at battleground which will ensure the populations of Arabs will be decimated into minority.
As for Greater Pakistan, it is inevitable as Islamabad will be centre of the Muslim worlds so you can take guess that India alone will not feature as part of Greater Pakistan.
I said Greater Pakistan, not Pakistan as in current one. Ghazwa-e-Hind is also test for Pakistan and India as the battle will be nuclear where the billion populations from both nations together will be decimated into millions or thousands possibly.
I have said this before. Given how populations are crossing all the limits with the abuse to no limit, Nuclear war will act as means of punishment for both nations. In nuclear war, there is no winner.
But new Pakistan will be born amassing populations from all over the worlds after WW3. When I say populations from the worlds, I mean Europeans, Americans,...etc as Europe and North America will force Muslim populations and that includes revert Muslims as well to migrate. New Pakistan will be empty to accommodate Muslims form the worlds. And they will take Pakistan to the new heights hence Greater Pakistan.
That will be golden age of Islam. Our children may cherish the period of Golden age of Islam. Can’t speak for us though, Allahu Alim.
For Greater Pakistan to happen, huge sacrifice will be required and current Pakistan and India are not fit for civilizations therefore the cleansing will be done in the large numbers as side effects of Nuclear Wars. For us and our current family living in Pakistan, it will be sad endings but inevitable.
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This doesn't add up for me unless there is more information.
A nuclear war between Pakistan and India will result in a nuclear wasteland, not really a place anyone will want to move to. All capitals will be destroyed, so not sure why Islamabad will remain intact?
After a nuclear war on such a world scale, staying alive for ALL will be the only priority with billions dead, nothing else.
There will be millions alive. North America will be destroyed and so will UK and some portions of Europe.
Pakistan-India will not be destroyed as the rest of the worlds as the populations will be able to habitat and room for the rest of the worlds. Pakistan-India will be new lands and future of the worlds.
I only mentioned prophecy but as for the side effects of nuclear war, time will tell.
Golden Age of Islam is promised so it is inevitable somehow.
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Bro it's good to listen to certain scholars but don't take all their views as being accurate. If there is a nuclear world war its highly unlikely Pakistan and India do not use nukes. Esp if you say a new Pakistan will emerge.
The word Pakistan or Islamabad is not mentioned. The prophecy of Muslims ruling over India has already come true.
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dont really pay much attention to prophesies its mainly made by lunatics to satisfy depressed people.
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Many prophecies in Islam have come true. This will come true because Israel and it's supporters are planning this as we speak. Some fake Jewish chap will claim to be the Messiah soon enough.
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Lmao I thought this was a doco series for Messi when I read the title 
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)My research has nothing to do with the recent scholars. Although most of scholars follow same reasoning since most of research are derived from the same source.
You are entitled to disagree if you’d like. I have nothing to prove as my job was to give commentary based on my researching based on compilations of sources altogether. At the end, ALLAH knows best.
Old Pakistan has to go in order to make room for New Pakistan. How is it going to happen will be demonstrated as time will tell, In Sha ALLAH.
Right now there are too many hadiths scattered at the result of many Empires falling with Ottoman Empire being the recent, then KSA scholars took the charge. Hence the confusions later as the result of Wahhabism ideology.
When I connected the dots, it was clear that the conqueror of India will slaughter many Arabs as the result of their planning to kill Imam Mahdi aka Rightly Guided. So naturally they aka Wahhabism followers are bound to corrupt the hadiths to spread the confusion. It is not coincident why it is same region considered as horn of Satan.
As for Ghazwa-e-Hind, it is final battle as part of last hour. It is battle much like Holy Kaaba. After Ghazwa-e-Hind, the root of Hinduism cluttered with paganism, idolism, stone worship,...etc will be eradicated once and for all like the revival of Monotheism Holy Kaaba.
The arrival of Muhammad Bin Qasim was the first phase and Ghazwa-e-Hind is last phase. After that, no more old Polytheism India.
Once the whole worlds become Muslims following the eradication of polytheism, defeat of Dajjal and its armies, then the mission is fulfilled and thus the end of Times.
Again, you don’t have to take my words for it. You are free to disagree as it is your right.
I am not gonna argue on the prophetic debate that is largely the same based on the understanding of the prophecy / sources hence most of scholars offer the same possible reasoning while some differ.
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Alot of scholars speak about the black smoke rising and blotting out the sun as evidence of a nuclear holocaust. However if nuclear weapons are used in the vicinity of the middle east or the indo pakistani subcontinent then nothing is going to survive.
Therefore governments are lookingat ways of waging conventional warfare just below the nuclear threshold. What good is a world to Dajjal if it has no followers in it? remember the Prophet SAW said he would travel the world very quickly using the tech of his age. How can he travel the world using tech if its been destroyed by nukes?
Therefore after reading and much research I have some theories:
1) According to the Prophet pBUH the king of Syria would send an army to defeat the Mahdi. Before the Syrian war started this hadith seemed a bit weird. Afterall why would the syrians have any major beef with the kingdom of arabia? or why would they want to interfere in its affairs? When the Syrian war started I turned to a friend of mine and said Assad will win this war and Syrian will begin its path down destiny lane. And sure enough Prophet SAW's prophecy is coming true. The Syrians now hate the Kingdom and it wont be a big surprise if they interfere in geopolitical trouble in the future.
2) The followers of the Mahdi will gather in Jerusalem befoer the final confrontation with the Dajjal. But Jerusalem is ruled by the Israelis. How will the Mahdi and his followers get there? And why would a large contingent of Jewish people be itching to get their own back at the Mahdi?
Well because at some point before this gathering Israel will face a massive military defeat. The Dajjal will then come to gather his forces many of them will come to take on the Mahdi. How else would he be in Jerusalem?
3) There are mentions of an army riding with black flags that will travel at great speed from the direction of what was Khorasan in the old days and translates as modern day afghanistan/pakistan/iran. Now the black flag donates authority from the 7th century onwards. Therefore the army would have to be one that commands some authority in the Muslim/Arab world. It would also need to have the capability to move quickly across long distances. Modern armies can move swiftly in days across long distances. This army would need to have a strong logistical strategy, good communications and a motivated armed cadre. It would also need to have freindly relations with the lands it will be crossing. They say that this army will fight against a large force of munafiqueen and will defeat this force after which God swt will forgive it for its previous sins.
4) Another force of Muslims will reconquer constantinople and will be cleaning its swords before the arrival of the dajaal. This force will have christian allies and will break through the walls of constantinople without weaponry. Therefore signifying some sort of ideological struggle perhaps or maybe a coup or political upheaval. Therefore we have two forces one from the west and one from the east who will move to join the Mahdi in the final struggle.
so the question is who are these two forces, at the moment the only two forces that could potentially fit the bill are Pakistan and Turkey.
Coming onto the final battle(s) its clear that these will precede a big final confrontation when the gog and the magog will finally make a final attempt to conquer the world and will casue rgeat calamity. This is when nukes will possibly be used as Allah swt will order Prophet ISA AS to ascend to a high mountain point and then he will destroy the Gog and the Magog with a disease. This points to a major world war 3 type event where space based weapons will be used and the Gog anf Magog will inflict havoc on the earth. It also points to a global pandemic that will kill those of the bloodline of the Gog and the Magog. These events will occur after the death of the Dajjal. There will also be a major climate change event as predicted by the Prophet pbuh where the earth will suffer major climate shifts due to these events. Once the climate shift has ended Prophet ISA AS will bring his followers back to a healed world where the climate has settled and stabilised...
these are my theories based on how modern events are taking shape..so to summarise:
1) Major battles in the middle east invovling a succession battle in saudi in which isreal, the europeans/US/Isreal, Syria Russia will get involved
2) Major movement from the east as more battles rage with munafiqueen and movement of forces to the middle east
3) Major battles/political upheavals/ etc in the western muslim world leading to more mvoement towards the middle east.
4) a final conflaguration with the Dajjal
5) the final march of the Gog and the Magog as they try one last time to conquer the world
6) a global pandemic
7) Major climate shift.
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The only Muslim army riding with black flags, fighting the munafiqeen in the general areas you mentioned are ISIS. Yet another prophecy come true.
That is misinterpretation which happens all the times hence Muslims can be easily fooled into thinking judging by the literal terms or understanding by the loosely translated meaning.
Armies riding with black flags was referred to the jets - black jets with carrying banner that would swiftly decimate the opponents in a way it has never been before. That is description of the destruction underway to tackle Arab armies that will pose threat to Imam Mahdi.
We live in the age of modern warfare and we are following the limited understanding on the loosely translated so confusion is expected.
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Many prophecies outside of Islam have also come true. You know why? The prophecies are so vague they can apply to almost anything at any time.
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Hey man, very nice stories. Maybe we can make a TV show out of all of this.
Somehow we will as we will be reduced to millions only. Terrible times lie ahead.
True....
It is possible as I believe the same expected scenario but Middle East is very confused paradox so we can be way off.
True.
That is why it will be interesting to follow the relationship progress between Pakistan and Russia as part of treaty together to wage wars against the enemies using Middle East as battleground all the way to Constantinople to free them which means Turkey will already be invaded as it is centre of crisis with failed attempted to kill Erdrogan.
So I can’t think of any Muslim nation that will fight alongside with Pakistan other than Afghanistan - Afghan Taliban.
Bear in mind that the conquest of India would mean the expansion of armies with manpower, resources, and momentum would ensure the next step to succeed effortlessly.
Pay attention to Russia especially Russian Muslims. They have larger roles to play somehow.
Gog and Magog should be the least of our worries since their entry are probably way down the later but you never know.
True as you mentioned are possible scenarios but as often the imagination can get better off us since WW3 won’t be any pretty.
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Is it true the Mahdi prophecy is not in the Quran but was mentioned 300 years after the Prophet's passing? Genuine question.
Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) mentioned the prophecy of Imam Mahdi, End Times, Signs of Judgement day, Ghazwa-e-Hind, and many more, 1400 years ago within the timeframe when Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) was alive narrating those prophecies in the lengthy details including the name of Imam Mahdi, his family background and everything. Hope that helps.
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It’s called the Texas sharp shooter fallacy.
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to say that the Prophets prophecies wont come true is nonsense becasue he made prophecies that came true when he was alive.
what you can debate upon is the authenticity of some of the future prophecies hadiths but not that he didnt make predictions that didnt come true..
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Nostradamus made prophecies that came true as well. Was he also a Prophet or just someone good at making vague statements that could apply to anything
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I wasnt referring to the Prophet. Though, I dont believe he made any genuine prophecy, that is a discussion for another day.
For a prophecy to be genuine it has to meet the most basic of criteria;
1. It must actually be a prophecy. Not a documentation of events that is misinterpreted as a prophecy after a similar event occurs later.
2. It must be written before the events that it predicts.
3. The predicted events must actually occur.
4. The prediction must be both falsifiable and verifiable.
5. It must not be overly vague.
6. It must not predict a likely event.
7. It must not be self-fulfilling.
Thats the most basic criteria.
The reference to the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy was in reference to what the posters are passing as prophecy.
They have a conclusion and look for data to support it and they ignore everything else.
I mean we have a poster salivating at the thought of a nuclear war and states that the subcontinent is not fit for civilisation.
This is why I ask for some proof or evidence to back up the claims.
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So it’s based on the Islamic perspective of the dajjal. Interesting.
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Ridiculous! Streaming all the way!
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Next stupid post will result in bans. Think clearly before writing.
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Has an interesting premise. So will watch it.
Have a feeling it will remain interesting for a season or two and then turn mediocre.
Have a feeling it will remain interesting for a season or two and then turn mediocre.
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Ill watch it with one eye closed.
Same
I look forward to it, should be decent. New Season of Vikings is out, am going to start watching it during my leave soon
always look forward to it at this time of the year, will be sad to see this season end but there is a spin off planned which is good news but will miss all the great cast
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Predictable twists and general silliness aside, just watched the trailer and this does look quite watchable.
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So why are there so many dislikes on YT video? Am I missing something?
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Er is this a thread about an upcoming TV show or is it “the religion thread”?
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Have deleted posts now - suggest people go elsewhere for comparative religion discussions.
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Looks very interesting. I might give this a go!
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Is it permissible to watch this
I wonder the same.
TBH I was once trying to stream Lucifer and I just couldnt get it to stream so I took it as a sign for the All Mighty. There is much better things to watch out there
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Same
I look forward to it, should be decent. New Season of Vikings is out, am going to start watching it during my leave soon
There will be clues in this series for future Dajjal tactics.
Vikings will be a sad end, cant wait to watch it.
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Watched the first episode last night, fascinating.
The writers have clearly researched the Islamic pov.
Acting is decent but not amazing. The rest is good.
The writers have clearly researched the Islamic pov.
Acting is decent but not amazing. The rest is good.
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Anyone else watched it? Worth the time?
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Give it a try
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As mentioned in the other thread, it starts off quite well, lags a bit in the final quarter and totally fizzles out towards the end.
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I thought this was a film turns out its a series, hope its not as bad as The Witcher, will probably start it after lost in space.
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Brilliant, compelling, and gripping viewing thus far!
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Great show, as a Muslim, I didn't find it anti Islamic at all, not sure what the negative reaction about this show is all about. A refreshing watch.
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Watched the first 4 episodes, looks like one of the better shows on Netflix.
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You must meet some strange people. The Muslims I have spoke to are saying this is nothing like the Islamic story but a mix up of different ones to produce a tv show for entertainment.
On topic.
On episode 5, not sure where this show is heading now, twists are coming in.
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On episode 4, really good so far.
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