New DNA analysis: The original Brits were black thousands of years ago

[Yossarian]

First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin, Cheddar Man DNA analysis reveals

The genome of Cheddar Man, who lived 10,000 years ago, suggests that he had blue eyes, dark skin and dark curly hair




The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.

The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population.

It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair.

The discovery shows that the genes for lighter skin became widespread in European populations far later than originally thought – and that skin colour was not always a proxy for geographic origin in the way it is often seen to be today......

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https://www.theguardian.com/science...k-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

"People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population." So the 'white' Brits ancestors were originally black? Now that's going to upset a few people living in the Shires.

 

[Slog]

"People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population." So the 'white' Brits ancestors were originally black? Now that's going to upset a few people living in the Shires.

For racists of that sort science isnt something they put a lot of stock in so unlikely to affect them or even register - let alone upset them

 

[Madplayer]

This is the kind of science that should be taught in primary schools. Obviously a watered down version.

 

[TM Riddle]

Good to see people using evolution when it suit their needs(Not directed at op).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see people using evolution when it suit their needs(Not directed at op).

Well that's a form of evolution in itself, so at least we are seeing progress.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looking at the picture, it seems the first modern Brits were in fact very handsome Sri Lankans.

 

[TM Riddle]

Well that's a form of evolution in itself, so at least we are seeing progress.

Touchè

 

[James]

Nation Of Islam types will be loving this.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] - thoughts on evolution?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Not very well informed on this subject but isn't it common knowledge that humanity emerged in Africa and that pale skin, blonde hair, blue eyes etc. evolved over a period of time in Europe. What is new here?

 

[finalfantasy7]

Nation Of Islam types will be loving this.

You mean afro centric

 

[IMMY69]

Nation Of Islam types will be loving this.

They’ll be even more happier once Jesus is depicted correctly...

 

[TM Riddle]

So does that allow white Brits to use N word since their ancestors were black?

 

[Robert]

Good to see people using evolution when it suit their needs(Not directed at op).

I have often wondered what th3 evolutionary advantage of white skin over black is.

I can only think that black albinos were born, more likely to reach reproductive age than their black contemporaries because they made more Vitamin D and didn’t get rickets, and over the generations the albinos became dominant.

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] - thoughts on evolution?

Yes I believe that evolution is related to environmental factors, the 'survival of the fittest' (or more adaptable) and all that.

 

[Robert]

I have often wondered what th3 evolutionary advantage of white skin over black is.

I can only think that black albinos were born, more likely to reach reproductive age than their black contemporaries because they made more Vitamin D and didn’t get rickets, and over the generations the albinos became dominant.

In northern climes with weak sun, of course. Albinos would be at an evolutionary disadvantage under strong sun.

 

[Yossarian]

I have often wondered what th3 evolutionary advantage of white skin over black is.

I can only think that black albinos were born, more likely to reach reproductive age than their black contemporaries because they made more Vitamin D and didn’t get rickets, and over the generations the albinos became dominant.

Or it could be a much more gradual evolution as opposed to albino children being born. Just look at the gradual change in skin tone from Southern Europe to Northern Europe, as opposed to a sudden 'colour flip' from non-white to white, which would be the case with your albino theory.

In terms of recent gradual, but fast, evolutionary change, in countries like the USA for example, each successive generation is supposedly slightly taller than their grand/great grandfathers etc due to better diet.

I could be wrong on this, but it appears to me that even in the last 60/70 years, ie just in 2,3 or 4 generations, the 'brown Asian' current generations living in northern colder climes like the UK, are slightly lighter skinned, and taller, than their cousins back in the sub-continent whose grandfathers / great grandfathers (unlike their brothers/sisters) didn't migrate to the UK 50/60/70 years ago. (and here comes the abuse for saying that ....)

 

[troodon]

From the OP, if anything, the original Brits were lot like South Indians. Not blacks

Straight hair, dark skin are South Indian and Bengali types. Not African types.

 

[Yossarian]

From the OP, if anything, the original Brits were lot like South Indians. Not blacks

Straight hair, dark skin are South Indian and Bengali types. Not African types.

Indians. Of course. And the blue eyes?

 

[troodon]

Indians. Of course. And the blue eyes?

Indians with blue Eyes.

The picture in OP is no where close to being a black. If anything, they are more close to South Indians. I am pretty sure not all of the original brits like the ones in OP had blue eyes. Many might have had black/brown eyes like Indians.

Akhand Bharat extends as far as Britain.

 

[Yossarian]

From the OP, if anything, the original Brits were lot like South Indians. Not blacks

Straight hair, dark skin are South Indian and Bengali types. Not African types.

Indians. Of course. And the blue eyes?

Indians with blue Eyes.

The picture in OP is no where close to being a black. If anything, they are more close to South Indians. I am pretty sure not all of the original brits like the ones in OP had blue eyes. Many might have had black/brown eyes like Indians.

Akhand Bharat extends as far as Britain.

The Queen is Indian!


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[Robert]

Or it could be a much more gradual evolution as opposed to albino children being born. Just look at the gradual change in skin tone from Southern Europe to Northern Europe, as opposed to a sudden 'colour flip' from non-white to white, which would be the case with your albino theory.

In terms of recent gradual, but fast, evolutionary change, in countries like the USA for example, each successive generation is supposedly slightly taller than their grand/great grandfathers etc due to better diet.

I could be wrong on this, but it appears to me that even in the last 60/70 years, ie just in 2,3 or 4 generations, the 'brown Asian' current generations living in northern colder climes like the UK, are slightly lighter skinned, and taller, than their cousins back in the sub-continent whose grandfathers / great grandfathers (unlike their brothers/sisters) didn't migrate to the UK 50/60/70 years ago. (and here comes the abuse for saying that ....)

Under my hypothesis, white skinned mutants would have stood a better chance than olive skinned mutants in Northern Europe. In Southern Europe, the white mutants would have gone down with skin cancer before reaching reproductive age.

 

[Madplayer]

Indians with blue Eyes.

The picture in OP is no where close to being a black. If anything, they are more close to South Indians. I am pretty sure not all of the original brits like the ones in OP had blue eyes. Many might have had black/brown eyes like Indians.

Akhand Bharat extends as far as Britain.

The first man who sneezed was Indian. The first man who breathed air was Indian. Not even that,the first man who milked the cow was Indian too.

 

[troodon]

The first man who sneezed was Indian. The first man who breathed air was Indian. Not even that,the first man who milked the cow was Indian too.

Try to understand what I am trying to say.

The OP picture does not look any where close to an African Black. The picture clearly shows a man with straight hair and dark skin. That is the type of people you find in Indian Subcontinent.

Yes, Blue eyes is the only part that differs. But saying that the OP picture looks like a man from modern day Africa is ludicrous.

The closest I can think of is either a South Indian man or a Polynesian man.

 

[TM Riddle]

The guy looks like a long lost relative of Mahela Jayawardene.

 

[Madplayer]

Try to understand what I am trying to say.

The OP picture does not look any where close to an African Black. The picture clearly shows a man with straight hair and dark skin. That is the type of people you find in Indian Subcontinent.

Yes, Blue eyes is the only part that differs. But saying that the OP picture looks like a man from modern day Africa is ludicrous.

The closest I can think of is either a South Indian man or a Polynesian man.

That pic is simply a representation. Not a real person from that time.

 

[troodon]

That pic is simply a representation. Not a real person from that time.

Features may vary.

But the straight hair and dark skin do not. If they also vary, then there is no science involved in this recreation..

 

[troodon]

The guy looks like a long lost relative of Mahela Jayawardene.

A typical Subcontinent person.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

From the OP, if anything, the original Brits were lot like South Indians. Not blacks

Straight hair, dark skin are South Indian and Bengali types. Not African types.

That's why neither can produce fast bowlers. [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

 

[Chief Destroyer]

The first man who sneezed was Indian. The first man who breathed air was Indian. Not even that,the first man who milked the cow was Indian too.

That could actually be true. Some scientists argue that Indian aboriginals were before Africans.

 

[troodon]

That's why neither can produce fast bowlers. [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

Bumrah/Shami/Yadav/Aaron all can hit over 140k's.

Even our U19 kids are hitting 140k+ with ease now.

 

[Madplayer]

Features may vary.

But the straight hair and dark skin do not. If they also vary, then there is no science involved in this recreation..

So Africans cant have straight hair?

 

[troodon]

So Africans cant have straight hair?

Picture please. North Africans are not blacks.

 

[Madplayer]

That could actually be true. Some scientists argue that Indian aboriginals were before Africans.

I think most of the evidence proved that the first Human was born in East Africa. Other theories are relatively weak in comparison.

 

[Madplayer]

Picture please. North Africans are not blacks.

Read this part from the artice

"The results pointed to a Middle Eastern origin for Cheddar Man, suggesting that his ancestors would have left Africa, moved into the Middle East and later headed west into Europe, before eventually crossing the ancient land bridge called Doggerland which connected Britain to continental Europe. Today, about 10% of white British ancestry can be linked to this ancient population."

The Africans probably began having the "Indian appearance" which you are talking about when they moved to middle east. From middle east they went back towards west and entered Europe and became white over the period of time.

 

[TM Riddle]

That's why neither can produce fast bowlers. [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

You know I am as Pakistani as your next door Sindhi.

 

[TM Riddle]

A typical Subcontinent person.

I disagree. People up north have different features. But judging by the color , yes.

 

[pillionrider]

Under my hypothesis, white skinned mutants would have stood a better chance than olive skinned mutants in Northern Europe. In Southern Europe, the white mutants would have gone down with skin cancer before reaching reproductive age.

Your hypothesis. Did you publish a paper on this? What do you mean, your hypothesis. Are you trying to tell people here that these theories have not been around for decades if not centuries?

 

[King-Misbah]

A typical Subcontinent person.

Not typical at all tbh. My family originates from Pakistan and look nothing like this typical look.

 

[troodon]

I disagree. People up north have different features. But judging by the color , yes.

Subcontinent has Dalits, Tribals who form 40% of the population. It may be a little less in Pakistan's case. But when you go to any street in India, this is how majority will look. Indians, Bangladeshis, Srilankans and even many P May be akistanis have dark skin and straight hair.

You are from Rajasthan. I watched a documentary on Rajasthan a while ago and many there are dark. That is is most common type of color I saw. May be some Upper castes have light skinned ones.

 

[troodon]

Not typical at all tbh. My family originates from Pakistan and look nothing like this typical look.

There are many in India who do not look like the picture in OP. But a trip down the streets of any city will tell you the story especially in India. Majority are dark. Some are even darker than Black Africans.

 

[TM Riddle]

Subcontinent has Dalits, Tribals who form 40% of the population. It may be a little less in Pakistan's case. But when you go to any street in India, this is how majority will look. Indians, Bangladeshis, Srilankans and even many P May be akistanis have dark skin and straight hair.

You are from Rajasthan. I watched a documentary on Rajasthan a while ago and many there are dark. That is is most common type of color I saw. May be some Upper castes have light skinned ones.

That's why I said based on colour your assumption might be true to some extent but not when we take features in account as well. We are all same color mostly with some having lighter shades but as we go from North to South , the features begin to change .
For instance a Gujjar or Jat from Rajasthan would look very different from someone with similar background from South although their skin colour in this instance might be same .
Rajasthanis are closer to Sindhis in this regard.

 

[Saeed]

Agree with the posters above, he definitely looks Indian. Great news for some people, instead of using Fair&Lovely move to Gough’s cave.