New York movie

[minamino]

This movie is a must watch for our posters here who say that Muslims are antagonized in Bollywood movies. This movie is based on the prejudice against Muslims after 9/11 in the US. I don't know why people believe that Bollywood shows Muslims in a bad light.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

So because one probably garbage Bollywood movie doesn’t show Muslims in a bad light it means there is no marginalization and prejudice against Muslims in Bollywood. You’re very smart

 

[JaDed]

So because one probably garbage Bollywood movie doesn’t show Muslims in a bad light it means there is no marginalization and prejudice against Muslims in Bollywood. You’re very smart

But do you think the opposite is true? You think Bollywood marginalized and has prejudice against Muslims as a whole?

 

[minamino]

But do you think the opposite is true? You think Bollywood marginalized and has prejudice against Muslims as a whole?

He probably watches too much ARY and Bol TV. Most of the Bollywood stars are Muslims, why would they marginalize against them?

 

[JaDed]

He probably watches too much ARY and Bol TV. Most of the Bollywood stars are Muslims, why would they marginalize against them?

Truth is somewhere in the middle, also Bollywood has various stereotypes

South Indians, Sindhis, Parsis, Baniyas, Yadavs, Sardars.

They don’t have anything against Muslims as such but the scripts are stupid at times and encourage stereotypes.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

But do you think the opposite is true? You think Bollywood marginalized and has prejudice against Muslims as a whole?

Yeah especially in recent times. I don’t know if this is related but yesterday I had the misfortune of watching a hilariously bad trailer of some movie called Sooryavanshi. Whole thing was awful but one line that stood out was when Akshay Kumar tells a dude that the police doesn’t judge based on religion or nationality. Only based on criminal record. Its hilarious how obvious the propaganda is especially with the current political climate. Look at the likes and dislikes on the video too. The masses have truly been brainwashed

 

[JaDed]

Yeah especially in recent times. I don’t know if this is related but yesterday I had the misfortune of watching a hilariously bad trailer of some movie called Sooryavanshi. Whole thing was awful but one line that stood out was when Akshay Kumar tells a dude that the police doesn’t judge based on religion or nationality. Only based on criminal record. Its hilarious how obvious the propaganda is especially with the current political climate. Look at the likes and dislikes on the video too. The masses have truly been brainwashed

That happens in Hollywood too, check out Bombshell and Richard Jewel , comments on them, likes dislikes.

On that movie they are let organization what did you expect them to be?

If in movie Dev the CM wasn’t Hindu nationalist, it would had been weird.

Similarly in Article 15 , Oh my God, PK
Best example is Singham 2- which is from that franchise if Sooryavanshi had a bad guy as religious hindu leader called Babaji , now that would had been weird had Babaji been any other religion.

Bollywood has lot of issues the biggest being casteism but with religion it usually dishes out equally.

 

[Pakistanian]

Lol one movie from 2009 out of numerous others disproves any anti-muslim propaganda in bollywood?

 

[Itachi]

Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors. If there's anti Muslim agenda, shouldn't they be stop working on it first as a sign of protest?

I believe it's time people take it into consideration.

Pakistan doesn't represent Islam.

Anti Pakistani doesn't mean anti Islam.

 

[Pakistanian]

Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors. If there's anti Muslim agenda, shouldn't they be stop working on it first as a sign of protest?

I believe it's time people take it into consideration.

Pakistan doesn't represent Islam.

Anti Pakistani doesn't mean anti Islam.

This is one of dumbest logical fallacies I've come across. There's no way "Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors" but even if we accept that for that sake of debate, just because people from a certain background or community have been able to become successful doesn't mean there isn't systemic discrimination against people from that background, there are numerous successful African-Americans that doesn't negate the discrimination and institutional racism most face. There are a few successful Asians in the Hollywood yet many are still aware of racist stereotyping and typecasting that still goes on Hollywood. Just like how you say Pakistan doesn't represent Islam, likewise a few Indian actors who happen to be Muslim doesn't represent Islam or the Muslim community at large, besides most of them are non-practicing/secular/nominal Muslims by their own admission, so the rest of the Muslim world and Indian Muslim community they aren't really considered representatives, it's like calling Freddie Mercury a good representative of the "British-Indian diaspora" when he never really identified with it/has any connections with the community.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors. If there's anti Muslim agenda, shouldn't they be stop working on it first as a sign of protest?

I believe it's time people take it into consideration.

Pakistan doesn't represent Islam.

Anti Pakistani doesn't mean anti Islam.

Lmao this is a hilariously bad argument. Who said anything about Muslim Bollywood actors having any integrity or talent for that matter?

 

[minamino]

Lmao this is a hilariously bad argument. Who said anything about Muslim Bollywood actors having any integrity or talent for that matter?

Hollywood probably shows Muslims in the worst light yet you keep on watching that crap. HW is so crap that they can't develop any Brown character without having at least one hijabi in the character's family lmao.

 

[DeadBall]

Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors. If there's anti Muslim agenda, shouldn't they be stop working on it first as a sign of protest?

First of all these Muslim actors have to prove their loyalty at every junction whether they're involved or not and if they did stop working as a sign of protest there could be really bad repercussions given the current climate. As for non Indian Muslim actors from Pakistan etc, they have been many times point blank that they should go back to their respective countries.

Also the Three Khans started ruling the roost in the 90s when the previous generation got too old and left a vacuum and there just weren't as many options that made it. They also had a larger than life personas with the media hyping them up even more so and it just snowballed from there. There also was no internet nor the media and fans with so many other options and opinions available today.

The situation with Pak and Muslims was also really good at the time.

How many new Muslim actors have ruled Bollywood in the past decade? That should give you your answer.

 

[JaDed]

First of all these Muslim actors have to prove their loyalty at every junction whether they're involved or not and if they did stop working as a sign of protest there could be really bad repercussions given the current climate. As for non Indian Muslim actors from Pakistan etc, they have been many times point blank that they should go back to their respective countries.

Also the Three Khans started ruling the roost in the 90s when the previous generation got too old and left a vacuum and there just weren't as many options that made it. They also had a larger than life personas with the media hyping them up even more so and it just snowballed from there. There also was no internet nor the media and fans with so many other options and opinions available today.

The situation with Pak and Muslims was also really good at the time.

How many new Muslim actors have ruled Bollywood in the past decade? That should give you your answer.

Salman and Amir in past Decade have had the biggest hits with the most worthless scripts for Salman but just stardom of his pulled people in, even today there is much more buzz surrounding his movies and same with Amir.

Are you saying anyone can give bigger hits than Amir or Salman in Bollywood? Maybe one here and there but nothing as consistent as these two.

Also proving nationalism is not limited to Khans, Om Puri an absolute legend was treated so badly by Indian media same with Sushant Singh or any other person.

 

[JaDed]

Lmao this is a hilariously bad argument. Who said anything about Muslim Bollywood actors having any integrity or talent for that matter?

The argument is u weak but that doesn’t mean likes of Irfan, Amir or Srk are not talented.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bollywood should be judged on its commercial value and scope rather than any artistic merits. And on that it delivers. It serves as a source of entertainment to billions in the sub-continent. And I don't think it has any prejudice against Muslims or Islam because some of the greatest pioneers of that industry were Muslims. Jingoistic films are made in every country, doesn't mean the entire industry has some kind of an agenda.

That said in-terms of artistic merits, Bollywood has none. It is lowest common denominator type stuff that appeals to the most basic levels of the masses. It does so with beautiful actresses, risque dance numbers and generally simple and easy-to-follow plots, with enough ebbs and flows to keep the audiences interested.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The danger for us is that the Bollywood model is being copied by Pakistan aswell because most audiences here love Bollywood films too. So now we're basically getting Bollywood movies with Pakistani actors.

My only hope is that there is more Laal Kabootar type stuff and less of the Bollywood inspired stuff. Because while India Bollywood it also has an incredibly rich cinema due to the works of filmmakers like the great Satyagit Ray. And now guys like Anurag Kashyap who are also doing interesting work.

Can't stress enough how much Pakistani cinema needs to develop an identity of its own.

 

[Itachi]

This is one of dumbest logical fallacies I've come across. There's no way "Bollywood is ruled by Muslim actors" but even if we accept that for that sake of debate, just because people from a certain background or community have been able to become successful doesn't mean there isn't systemic discrimination against people from that background, there are numerous successful African-Americans that doesn't negate the discrimination and institutional racism most face. There are a few successful Asians in the Hollywood yet many are still aware of racist stereotyping and typecasting that still goes on Hollywood. Just like how you say Pakistan doesn't represent Islam, likewise a few Indian actors who happen to be Muslim doesn't represent Islam or the Muslim community at large, besides most of them are non-practicing/secular/nominal Muslims by their own admission, so the rest of the Muslim world and Indian Muslim community they aren't really considered representatives, it's like calling Freddie Mercury a good representative of the "British-Indian diaspora" when he never really identified with it/has any connections with the community.

So.... Islam can't be generalized by actions of Muslims but based upon a few people, "Hindutva" is criticized.

Based upon actions by Muslims can't be generalized but based upon actions of few Indians, the whole India could be generalized.

You will set the rules and then deviate from it to fulfill whatever self interest aided by agenda you have.

I understand. No wonder IK takes such u turns every now and then.

 

[Itachi]

First of all these Muslim actors have to prove their loyalty at every junction whether they're involved or not and if they did stop working as a sign of protest there could be really bad repercussions given the current climate. As for non Indian Muslim actors from Pakistan etc, they have been many times point blank that they should go back to their respective countries.

Also the Three Khans started ruling the roost in the 90s when the previous generation got too old and left a vacuum and there just weren't as many options that made it. They also had a larger than life personas with the media hyping them up even more so and it just snowballed from there. There also was no internet nor the media and fans with so many other options and opinions available today.

The situation with Pak and Muslims was also really good at the time.

How many new Muslim actors have ruled Bollywood in the past decade? That should give you your answer.

Non Indian Muslim actors didn't face issues because they are Muslims. They faced issues because they are non Indians.

As for your question, how many new non Muslim actors have ruled past decade? Truth is, except the 3 khans, no other actor irrespective of religion has ruled the industry even till now.

 

[Itachi]

Lmao this is a hilariously bad argument. Who said anything about Muslim Bollywood actors having any integrity or talent for that matter?

I don't think I talked about talent or quality here. Tiktok is the most downloaded app in Google play store. That doesn't mean it's a high quality app.