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salmanno1

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It has been more than 10yrs BD got test status but they did nt impressd.SO who will be the next test status nation.
WHat is the process to get test status?
 
Afghanistan


Ireland's best players will just hope across the border to have better careers for England
 
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ireland, afghanistan & netherlands should get test status immediately. icc should end the elitist mentality and give the weaker teams more chances to play odis & tests against the big teams
 
Time to move for a 2 Tier Test System immediately

Tier 1:- SA, Aus, Eng, Ind, Pak, SL, NZ, WI, BD
Tier 2:-Zim + 8 Teams of Intercontinental Trophy (Ire, Afg, Scot, Nam, Neth, UAE, Ken & Can)

Every 2 years,

Bottom 2 of Tier 1 & Top 2 of Tier 2 should play a tournament. 2 teams go to Div 1 and bottom 2 go to Tier 2
The Bottom 2 of Tier 2 are replaced by top associates. That will the whole system based on merit
 
jashan83 said:
Time to move for a 2 Tier Test System immediately

Tier 1:- SA, Aus, Eng, Ind, Pak, SL, NZ, WI, BD
Tier 2:-Zim + 8 Teams of Intercontinental Trophy (Ire, Afg, Scot, Nam, Neth, UAE, Ken & Can)

Every 2 years,

Bottom 2 of Tier 1 & Top 2 of Tier 2 should play a tournament. 2 teams go to Div 1 and bottom 2 go to Tier 2
The Bottom 2 of Tier 2 are replaced by top associates. That will the whole system based on merit
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a better system which i said a few years ago:

tier 1: sa, ind, aus, eng, pak, sl
tier 2: wi, nz, bd, zim, ire, afg
tier 3: netherlands, scotland, kenya, canada, nepal, namibia

promotion & relegation after 2 years between top team of lower tier & bottom team of higher tier

tier 1 can play matches among themselves and play series of max 2 tests against a tier 2 team. this way series like aus v wi etc will stay despite big teams being relegated

tier 2 can play matches among themselves, play series of max 2 matches against tier 1 teams and play 1-off tests against tier 3 teams. this way assocaites will get to test themselves against stronger teams

tier 3 is the intercontinental cup, but they can play 1 off tests against tier 2 teams
 
I'd rather take out Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Increase the competition between the top 8. Have 4 teams in two divisions every two years. It would really bump up test cricket. It would be a right to hold series like the ashes and Ind v Pak. Do a trial run and see if it works. Sounds painful and controversial but might be worth a run.

We could increase the prize money for tests and also get increased incentives to have large crowds for tests.
 
amit said:
a better system which i said a few years ago:

tier 1: sa, ind, aus, eng, pak, sl
tier 2: wi, nz, bd, zim, ire, afg
tier 3: netherlands, scotland, kenya, canada, nepal, namibia

promotion & relegation after 2 years between top team of lower tier & bottom team of higher tier

tier 1 can play matches among themselves and play series of max 2 tests against a tier 2 team. this way series like aus v wi etc will stay despite big teams being relegated

tier 2 can play matches among themselves, play series of max 2 matches against tier 1 teams and play 1-off tests against tier 3 teams. this way assocaites will get to test themselves against stronger teams

tier 3 is the intercontinental cup, but they can play 1 off tests against tier 2 teams
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This has one major drawback. This would mean good teams like say SL or Pak will have to be relegated for 2 yrs and replaced with lesser teams like WI or NZ. Imagine for next 2 years Pak or SL playing likes of BD, Zim or Ire and very less cricket against major teams, which should not be the case :)
 
Again you are saying "TOP 8". My question is why not new test team come in12 yrs?
 
There should be two groups

Group 1 should have top 8 teams

Group 2 should 8 teams as well.

The Champion team from group 2 moves to group 1 and the buttom team from group 1 goes to group 2.

Stats from group 2 are not counted as test stats but first class.
 
ICC needs to allow associate nations test status as well, they should play among themselves and probably tour Bangladesh/Zimbabwe regularly with a series among any top side once every few years.

I don't really see the point of inter-continental cups they've been holding every year, we haven't seen any huge development from it.
 
People talking about giving test status to nations who don't even have a first class cricket structure - yup sounds like a great idea.
 
Already too many test matches are one sided and won by the home team. No point bringing in new teams into the equation at this time.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
There should be two groups

Group 1 should have top 8 teams

Group 2 should 8 teams as well.

The Champion team from group 2 moves to group 1 and the buttom team from group 1 goes to group 2.

Stats from group 2 are not counted as test stats but first class.
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That is just further limiting test cricket to 8 countries when we only have 10 test nations right now.
 
Obviously Ireland but that's about it. Having them means you have good sets of teams in top, middle and bottom so none will complain of lack of test Cricket. People say tier system and yes 30 years ago such a system would've worked but in this day and age it won't because money plays a huge factor. Just imagine India or England dropped down to tier 2 or below.
 
Ireland, end of arguement. Afghanistan have some good players but most of them are blind sloggers
 
Gabbar Singh said:
People talking about giving test status to nations who don't even have a first class cricket structure - yup sounds like a great idea.
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Its ridiculous to expect smaller cricket nations to setup first class cricket.

They could perhaps join the domestic system of bigger countries like Ireland and Scotland do with County (I believe?).

International success can only pave the way for more development. Winning any sort of intercontinental cup won't do any good.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Its ridiculous to expect smaller cricket nations to setup first class cricket.

They could perhaps join the domestic system of bigger countries like Ireland and Scotland do with County (I believe?).

International success can only pave the way for more development. Winning any sort of intercontinental cup won't do any good.
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Not really, what is ridiculous is for them to be fast tracked into test cricket when their players have played so little first class cricket.

Ireland and Scotland play in the English limited overs tournaments but not their first class tournaments.

Giving these sides test status will simply devalue test cricket.
 
Ireland or Aghanistan.

Maybe Morgan will hop across the sea again once that happens
 
I dont think any of them are ready. If you have to choose one, it has to be Ireland.
 
in terms of spreading the game, the ICC has failed miserably. instead they're trying to introduce new countries to T20 cricket... why bother.
 
Bring in Ireland and Afghanistan together in a couple of years and start a lower division.
 
have a 3 tier system

tier 1: sa, ind, aus, eng, pak, sl
tier 2: wi, nz, bd, zim, ire, afg
tier 3: netherlands, scotland, kenya, canada, nepal, namibia

promotion & relegation after 2 years between top team of lower tier & bottom team of higher tier

tier 1 can play matches among themselves and play series of max 2 tests against a tier 2 team. this way series like aus v wi etc will stay despite big teams being relegated

tier 2 can play matches among themselves, play series of max 2 matches against tier 1 teams and play 1-off tests against tier 3 teams. this way assocaites will get to test themselves against stronger teams

tier 3 is the intercontinental cup, but they can play 1 off tests against tier 2 teams
 
Probably China.

Ireland not enough interest for cricket. Netherlands even less. Afghanistan look promising but lack the money, and it's kind of hard to develop their sports team with the unfortunate state of their country, though it's pretty incredible what they've achieved so far.

China has the people and the resources and if cricket suddenly takes interest in China, we could see China churning out a decent team pretty quickly. Considering cricket is like the biggest sport in Asia and one of the main sports in the world, think China will soon enough enter the race too.

Bangladesh has the population and the interest, just lack money and proper domestic cricketing infrastructure. Though they're still better than Zimbabwe, Ireland, Netherlands etc. and still have more potential than those nations too. Cricket and in fact all sports are complicated these days, money is needed, proper facilities, coaching etc. Very hard to make it on natural talent. Which makes it very hard for countries, especially poor ones to establish themselves. Cricket isn't just like football where you can just kick a ball around in the streets. And even in football, we're seeing the countries with money having a ever growing advantage there too.
 
salmanno1 said:
WHat is the process to get test status?
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The process involves BCCI needing another vote to tilt the balance that the ICC.

Ireland will never get Test status for the foreseeable future (decades) because they would most likely join the Oz/Eng/NZ voting bloc.

Afghanistan are the best non-test team right now IMO but also cannot be given test status until the political/military situation is settled. This will also be a decade at least IMO.

PS. There is no process at all for gaining test status- this is what Ireland have been complaining about for years- they have never been told what they actually need to do to gain test status.

PPS. I disagree about Irelands best players leaving to England if they gain test status. Quite the opposite it gives them a reason to stay. We don't see any Zim players trying to play for SA do we, despite SA being more wealthy and some Zim players (Flowers etc) having a good chance.
 
No real need for a tier system. Just give chances to 2/3 new teams. Teams like WI, SL, BD, Zim who have struggled in tests can play few matches with those team.s
 
There should definitely be relegation and promotion from the Top 10 nations. ICC should go as per Woolf's report with Full Membership and Test Status be delinked. It means BD may be a Full Member and may not be having Test Status and Vice Versa

Many people have raised that the so called lesser names do not have First Class Structure. There are many efforts being done. I will try to highlight as many I am aware of

This year both Ireland and Scotland have already started a first class system. Ireland has 3 teams domestic start up and 2 team for Scotland.

In future these two countries are planning to have a common first class system with 3+2 teams

Also there are talks in Wales of Separating from England (Discussion in Wales Parliament). So if that happens then Wales (2 Teams) and Netherlands (2 Teams) also might join the First Class System
A similar first class league happens in Rugby Union with teams from Ireland, Scotland and Wales participating in it.

Kenya and Uganda have made a domestic OD & T20 league with 4 teams from Kenya & 2 from Uganda. They should with time and funding from ICC spread it to a 4 day tournament


Namibia plays in SA domestic league and have really improved in recent times (Despite a very small population).

Canada till recent times played in Windies T20 tournament. Again ICC should help them to play in the First Class Tournament along with Bermuda and USA

Sadly this is the last year when Scotland and Netherlands will be playing in CB40 of County.

Similarly Afghanistan should send 2 teams in Pak Domestic league and Nepal it's team in Ranji trophy. This will really help to improve the standards

With such sustainable efforts and a Relegation Promotion system Test Cricket can be made really Interesting
 
I think the new'ish test teams should be asked to play first class cricket in developed (cricket wise) countries with top facilities like australia, england, India pakistan SA?

That would give them a good chance to compete, better coaches, better facilities and better know how generally.

Dont know if it already happens, does it?
 
West Europe should be new team comprising of Netherlands/Ireland/Scotland.

England team is England plus Wales (or South Africans for that matter). West Indies is many countries in carribean.
 
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havn't UAE got a really good youth set-up and great facilities? something to do with them now hosting pakistan. could be them.

Ireland are still a long way a way. same with afghan. the game is still far too alien to the average citizen and they don't have any facilities.
 
ads101 said:
Probably China.

China has the people and the resources and if cricket suddenly takes interest in China, we could see China churning out a decent team pretty quickly. Considering cricket is like the biggest sport in Asia and one of the main sports in the world, think China will soon enough enter the race too.
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can't imagine the chinese embracing cricket. ever. it just happens to be a big country right next to india.

it would be like the russians doing it. or the french. etc.
 
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I've being wondering how an 11 team test schedule would work.

I've developed one with Ireland having limited test status.

The ten test teams have being divided into two tiers with each nation linked to a nation in the other tier.

1. Australia - New Zealand
2. England - West Indies
3. India - Sri Lanka
4. Pakistan - Bangladesh
5. South Africa - Zimbabwe

There is a four year rotation in each tier- so after a four year period you will have played every other team home and away. You also play the team that was touring your linked partner.

For instance
Australia host England (5 tests)
New Zealand host Sri Lanka (3 tests)
In that same summer
Australia host Sri Lanka (3 tests)
New Zealand host England (3 tests)

Home and away tours against your linked nation will be added- generally in the year you host Zimbabwe or Bangladesh (2 test series).

Every team that tours England plays one test in Ireland. Ireland also will tour Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. If after a reasonable amount of time, Ireland proves themselves worthy they can be promoted further up.

In terms of matches

Code: 
Home/Away  AUS BAN ENG IND IRE NZD PAK RSA SRL WIN ZIM Total
AUS        ---   2   5   4   -   3   3   5   3   3   2 30
BAN          2 ---   2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2 20
ENG          5   2 ---   4   0   3   3   5   3   3   2 30
IND          4   2   4 ---   0   3   5   4   3   3   2 30
IRE          1   2   1   1 ---   1   1   1   1   1   2 12
NZD          3   2   3   3   0 ---   3   3   3   3   2 25
PAK          3   2   3   5   0   3 ---   3   3   3   2 27
RSA          5   2   5   4   0   3   3 ---   3   3   2 30
SRL          3   2   3   3   0   3   3   3 ---   3   2 25
WIN          3   2   3   3   0   3   3   3   3 ---   2 25
ZIM          2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2 --- 20
Total       31  20  31  31   4  26  28  31  26  26  20

So Pakistan host a 5 match series against India and the West Indies host a 3 match series against Australia.
 
^Sounds terrific on paper, but the ICC will hardly swallow that. Also factor in the political tensions between India and Pakistan, Zimbabwe and England, and so on.
 
Varun said:
^Sounds terrific on paper, but the ICC will hardly swallow that. Also factor in the political tensions between India and Pakistan, Zimbabwe and England, and so on.
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Yeah.

If it were up to me I'd introduce ranking penalties for cancelling tours without a legitimate reason.

Like the Windies and Sri Lanka do.
 
Convict said:
Yeah.

If it were up to me I'd introduce ranking penalties for cancelling tours without a legitimate reason.

Like the Windies and Sri Lanka do.
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Oh, they had a reason.

To allow their cricketers to run away and play the IPL, so they can continue paying them the basic quota sticks and stones from their own coffers. Test matches during April and May wouldn't have given way to such an eventuality.

Horrible state of affairs, but that's what you get with boards like the SLC and the WICB.
 
salmanno1 said:
It has been more than 10yrs BD got test status but they did nt impressd.SO who will be the next test status nation.
WHat is the process to get test status?
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We should be reducing the number of test sides, not increasing them, in order to raise the standard of play.

I like what Convict posted, though I wouldn't pair the teams up - just have straight one-team promotion and demotion every four-year cycle.
 
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Afghanistan for sure. They have got some exciting players. Hamid Hassan, Zardan, M Nabi, Javed to name a few
 
ireland, afghanistan & netherlands must be given test status immediately. and the other associates be shown a well defined path. teams like nepal & namibia can get test status within 10 years
 
Just take the right to play Test matches away from Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

People always talk about a two-tier system of ten or even twelve Test sides. But far better would be a one-tier system of the traditional eight: South Africa, England, Australia, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and New Zealand. New Zealand recently gave England a hell of a scare and these two teams exist at practically opposite ends of the rankings, so there's cause to assert that this system could work. Test cricket is the original, the highest, and the most prestigious, historical form of the game, and should be treated as such. There can be no minnows - only quality.

In the meantime, create or maintain a genuine and half-decent first-class cricketing structure (for many of the following countries, despite possessing numerous cheerleaders with regards to their apparently imminent granting of Test status, do not even have one of these yet) in the likes of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands, Namibia, Afghanistan, and perhaps even China, Canada and the USA. It's one potential solution of compromise, for none of the said countries are particularly deserving of Test status at the moment, but at the same time we must give cricket in its purest form a chance to spread beyond Albion and her old colonies.
 
Another question remains is why "test cricket" is considered something which needs to be "earned"

Teams need to play more and more test cricket, because this is the format which develops one skill level. I think giving test status to the likes of Ireland and Afghanistan will not only help the, but also create more oppurtunities for other teams like BD and Zim.
 
Executioner said:
Another question remains is why "test cricket" is considered something which needs to be "earned"
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Test cricket is not a crummy game of rounders on the school field on a Friday afternoon; it is a very old and exclusive club, a week-long battle of wills, an organic form of chess; it is a game of kings. You earn your passage.
 
Executioner said:
Another question remains is why "test cricket" is considered something which needs to be "earned"

Teams need to play more and more test cricket, because this is the format which develops one skill level. I think giving test status to the likes of Ireland and Afghanistan will not only help the, but also create more oppurtunities for other teams like BD and Zim.
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That is because test cricket requires more skills and technique. If a meanow team plays test cricket the results became more predictable. In limited overs cricket, an affiliate nation might still beat a top tier team. In tests its a very very rare scenario.
Take Bangladesh for example - They are playing test cricket from past 13 years. Have you seen any improvement? They won only 4 tests in history. But in limited overs game, they still win odd games against big nations.
Thus ICC dont want to push an affiliate nation into test matches as it takes out any competition.
 
Convict said:
Yeah.

If it were up to me I'd introduce ranking penalties for cancelling tours without a legitimate reason.

Like the Windies and Sri Lanka do.
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And how would that matter? What practical difference does it make to a board (and players) whether they are ranked No. 6 or No. 8 or No. 3? Of course, there would be some bragging rights but nothing much beyond that.

On the other hand, swapping ODIs for tests or allowing their players to play in the big T-20 leagues makes a financial difference.

The fact of the matter is that with only a handful of countries playing test cricket, you do not even have the ability to get in a viable promotion/relegation concept.
 
Sankalp said:
That is because test cricket requires more skills and technique. If a meanow team plays test cricket the results became more predictable. In limited overs cricket, an affiliate nation might still beat a top tier team. In tests its a very very rare scenario.
Take Bangladesh for example - They are playing test cricket from past 13 years. Have you seen any improvement? They won only 4 tests in history. But in limited overs game, they still win odd games against big nations.
Thus ICC dont want to push an affiliate nation into test matches as it takes out any competition.
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If you watched the matches yourselves, you will notice some improvement.

In the past, we had batsman averaging around 20, these days, we have batsman averaging 35+, not to mention, we have fought well in tests recently, unlike in the past when the matches wouldnt last for more than 3 days
 
We have 3 too many already (Bangla, Zim and India). Last thing we need is another minnow.
 
Executioner said:
Another question remains is why "test cricket" is considered something which needs to be "earned"

Teams need to play more and more test cricket, because this is the format which develops one skill level. I think giving test status to the likes of Ireland and Afghanistan will not only help the, but also create more oppurtunities for other teams like BD and Zim.
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Because it's rather appauling seeing teams with 4% win records.
 
Ireland would be more successful than Afghanistan as a Test playing nation. While Afghanistan has some seriously talented and good cricketers, the majority of them still hold Shahid Afridi as their batting (and bowling too) idol. This approach is probably going to make them one of the best LOI team in the world in less than a decade however, not going to take them leaps and bounds in Test cricket. I still have hope for them and I'm delighted that Afghanistan cricket is growing and will be Test nation soon, I think Ireland will be much, much more successful, especially because most of their players play through the country ranks.
 
Ireland.... no test playing nation from Asia before there is concensus among top 5 test playing nations to host and play with them. Asian teams are good in lobbying worst in application and performances. Cricket needs to reform and wins only should guarantee teams playing major tournaments.
 
Would be good to see Ireland and Afghanistan both given test status and hopefully given games against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, W.I so they can start to develop more as teams.
 
ads101 said:
Probably China.

Ireland not enough interest for cricket. Netherlands even less. Afghanistan look promising but lack the money, and it's kind of hard to develop their sports team with the unfortunate state of their country, though it's pretty incredible what they've achieved so far.

China has the people and the resources and if cricket suddenly takes interest in China, we could see China churning out a decent team pretty quickly. Considering cricket is like the biggest sport in Asia and one of the main sports in the world, think China will soon enough enter the race too.

Bangladesh has the population and the interest, just lack money and proper domestic cricketing infrastructure. Though they're still better than Zimbabwe, Ireland, Netherlands etc. and still have more potential than those nations too. Cricket and in fact all sports are complicated these days, money is needed, proper facilities, coaching etc. Very hard to make it on natural talent. Which makes it very hard for countries, especially poor ones to establish themselves. Cricket isn't just like football where you can just kick a ball around in the streets. And even in football, we're seeing the countries with money having a ever growing advantage there too.
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YOU ARE LIVING IN 90s and 00s. Don't know anything about current BD's economics and cricket. Wake up sid.
 
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