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Northern Ireland: Catholics now outnumber Protestants

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In my youth, the proportion was around two Protestants to one Catholic in NI.

But the recent Census shows that there is now a small Catholic majority.

What effect will this have on the reunification movement?


I think that the split between Republican and Loyalist is no longer strongly correlated to religious affiliation.

Lots of youngsters coming up in Protestant homes no longer identify as religious.

The politically Protestant community is ageing as a unit.

The cavalier attitude to the Peace Process exhibited by the Johnson and Truss governments has alienated some NI residents.

A recent survey found that a majority favoured holding a referendum on unity within the next five years, with 47 percent currently in favour of remaining in the United Kingdom and 42 percent supporting a united Ireland. Among the under-45s, reunification led by 47 to 46.


So it looks like the call for reunification is likely to grow. As [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] points out there are a couple of big stumbling blocks. Firstly, the North enjoys NHS cover whereas in the Republic medicine is mostly private. Secondly there are a great many civil servants in NI who might be redundant if NI is ruled from Dublin. Thirdly I cannot see some of the hardcore Orange accepting Dublin rule, especially a Sinn Fein Taoiseach. The possibility of armed uprising exists. Could this be avoided by a devo max deal where Belfast still administrates the Six Counties.

Fascinating years ahead.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/9/irish-reunification-debate-looms-large-as-ni-nears-centenary#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%E2%80%99re%20looking%20at%20it%20within%20years%2C%20not%20decades%2C%E2%80%9D,across%20the%20island%20of%20Ireland%20won%E2%80%99t%20wait%20decades.
 
I dont think that matters so much. How many are practicing Catholics or Protestants?
 
I dont think that matters so much. How many are practicing Catholics or Protestants?


Define "practicing". Does it mean attend Church every Sunday?

According to this, 50% of people in NI are churchgoers, compared to 15% for the rest of the UK (personally I think that 15% figure is too high). Women are more likely to attend regularly than men.

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/ni/religion.htm#:~:text=More%20than%2050%20per%20cent%20in%20Northern%20Ireland,frequently%2C%20compared%20with%20just%2039%20per%20cent%20men.
 
I dont think that matters so much. How many are practicing Catholics or Protestants?

It matters to these guys a lot.

Its their identity more so than a religious practice

Most of the people who participate in orange walks for example probably have no intention of going inside a church or pick up a bible.

But they will grow up singing anti catholic songs and glorifying King Billy....and their kids will do the same.

In fact it would be reasonable to say that their catholicism and protestantism loosely reflects an ethnicity rather than a religious sect.
 
It matters to these guys a lot.

Its their identity more so than a religious practice

Most of the people who participate in orange walks for example probably have no intention of going inside a church or pick up a bible.

But they will grow up singing anti catholic songs and glorifying King Billy....and their kids will do the same.

In fact it would be reasonable to say that their catholicism and protestantism loosely reflects an ethnicity rather than a religious sect.

Both are Celts.

The Orange Order are strongly religious. Not as much as the Royal Black, who are more pious and less political.
 
Define "practicing". Does it mean attend Church every Sunday?

According to this, 50% of people in NI are churchgoers, compared to 15% for the rest of the UK (personally I think that 15% figure is too high). Women are more likely to attend regularly than men.

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/ni/religion.htm#:~:text=More%20than%2050%20per%20cent%20in%20Northern%20Ireland,frequently%2C%20compared%20with%20just%2039%20per%20cent%20men.

As in how strongly they feel about their religion

I guess am thinking in terms of Muslims and other religion rivalry
 
As in how strongly they feel about their religion

I guess am thinking in terms of Muslims and other religion rivalry

Well, there was a 25-year sectarian war with 3500 people killed.

I assure you that the Orange Order thinks very seriously about Protestantism.

But perhaps they are ageing as a unit.
 
What effect will this have on the reunification movement?

None, it won't happen.
 
Is it because Catholics do not believe in contraceptives?

That certainly used to be true but the Catholic Church lost power and influence since Ireland joined the EU. The country received funding to kickstart their economy and set loose the Celtic Tiger - a model for small emerging economies joining the EU. This generated funding for the universities, and bright young Irish took advantage of Erasmus to study in Europe and absorb ideas of sexual liberty.
 
There are two models for a united Ireland.

Firstly direct rule from Dublin. This would perhaps precipitate an Ulster Scot / Loyalist uprising.

Secondly, a devo max type deal with the Six Counties still ruled from Stormont. The overall authority for matters of law, comms and defence would move from Westminster to Dail Eirann. The Loyalists would keep their British passports.

I could see the second model winning the middle ground voters over - those who do not see themselves as exclusively British or exclusively Irish, but a bit of both.
 
This.

I think that is the case with most Christians nowadays. They seem cultural Christians; not practicing.

Most do not believe Bible to be word of God , how will they practice ? When you are not sure of what to practice , it given very less motivation to practice
 
Most do not believe Bible to be word of God , how will they practice ? When you are not sure of what to practice , it given very less motivation to practice

It’s more that they see religion as a useless antique.
 
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