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Minimum sample - 100 wins

Australia - 609 wins, W/L - 1.75
South Africa - 410 wins, W/L - 1.74
India - 559 wins, W/L - 1.25
Pakistan - 512 wins, W/L - 1.19
England - 400 wins, W/L - 1.12
West Indies - 420 wins, W/L - 1.02
New Zealand - 379 wins, W/L - 0.96
Sri Lanka - 423 wins, W/L - 0.93
Bangladesh - 159 wins, W/L - 0.59
Zimbabwe - 151 wins, W/L - 0.38

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sweep_shot said:
This record used to mean something before IPL/T20 happened.

It doesn't mean much anymore. It is because many top teams don't play their full sides during bilateral games.
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Don't agree fully on this. For example, Bangladesh have surpassed Zimbabwe as cricket nation and this record is a testament to it. Afghanistan have come a long way in this format from where they were in 2007.
 
Ab Fan said:
Don't agree fully on this. For example, Bangladesh have surpassed Zimbabwe as cricket nation and this record is a testament to it. Afghanistan have come a long way in this format from where they were in 2007.
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You don't have to bring Bangladesh to every topic.

I was saying in general.

After IPL/T20 became mainstream, many top teams were not playing their full sides during bilateral games. They were experimenting. Those games don't give an accurate picture.
 
West Indies have a better win/loss ratio than New Zealand. Does that mean Windies are better?

NZ are likely to beat Windies 9 out of 10 times.
 
sweep_shot said:
You don't have to bring Bangladesh to every topic.

I was saying in general.

After IPL/T20 became mainstream, many top teams were not playing their full sides during bilateral games. They were experimenting. Those games don't give an accurate picture.
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This thread is about ODI record of all nations with minimum 100 wins. Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both qualify to the list.
 
sweep_shot said:
West Indies have a better win/loss ratio than New Zealand. Does that mean Windies are better?

NZ are likely to beat Windies 9 out of 10 times.
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This is an all time thread. NZ all time won't beat Windies all time even 5 times out of 10 times.
 
sweep_shot said:
West Indies have a better win/loss ratio than New Zealand. Does that mean Windies are better?

NZ are likely to beat Windies 9 out of 10 times.
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same goes with Aghanistan too as they have a very good win ratio but everyone knows they cant sustain in longer format of cricket.
 
Ab Fan said:
This is an all time thread. NZ all time won't beat Windies all time even 5 times out of 10 times.
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OK.

Like I said, these ODI stats became meaningless after 2008 (IPL and T20 kicked off). I only take these seriously till 2008.

Test W/L ratios are still valid, however. It is because teams generally play their full sides in Tests.
 
sweep_shot said:
OK.

Like I said, these ODI stats became meaningless after 2008 (IPL and T20 kicked off). I only take these seriously till 2008.

Test W/L ratios are still valid, however. It is because teams generally play their full sides in Tests.
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It may not make much sense for top teams like India and Australia.

But the likes of Pakistan, Windies or Bangladesh still play their full strength side and hence these stats are relevant. These stats also include all those triseries like Nidahas, Asia Cup, Champions Trophy etc and ofcourse the World Cups as well. It sounds pretty rich when it comes from Bangladeshi fan that these records are meaningless now :rabada2
 
It's true that some top teams not always put their first choice XI in all ODIs, but teams like Pakistan, BD, SL WI etc do put the best XI pretty much all the time.

If we take 2008 as starting point then ,

Top 5 teams : Ind, Aus, SA, Eng, NZ

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It seems the top 5 and bottom 5 comes up bunch together as a group in most filters.
 
My order for ODI cricket by nations would be :-

Australia
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India
West Indies
South Africa
Pakistan
England
Sri Lanka
New Zealand

India and West Indies are #2 and #3 for winning two World Cup wins. India has a more impressive head to head record and an additional CT win to their name.

South Africa will be #4 because their head to head record is miles better than rest, the difference being comfortably more than +0.5. That difference is big and other teams can't make up via 1 World Cup win.

Pakistan, England and Sri Lanka are next in order based on their W/L ratio having won 1 World Cup each. Pakistan fluked a CT as well so they will be ahead of the other two.

New Zealand to come next followed by Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Australia obviously miles ahead of the rest.
 
Ab Fan said:
My order for ODI cricket by nations would be :-

Australia
---Gap----
India
West Indies
South Africa
Pakistan
England
Sri Lanka
New Zealand

India and West Indies are #2 and #3 for winning two World Cup wins. India has a more impressive head to head record and an additional CT win to their name.

South Africa will be #4 because their head to head record is miles better than rest, the difference being comfortably more than +0.5. That difference is big and other teams can't make up via 1 World Cup win.

Pakistan, England and Sri Lanka are next in order based on their W/L ratio having won 1 World Cup each. Pakistan fluked a CT as well so they will be ahead of the other two.

New Zealand to come next followed by Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Australia obviously miles ahead of the rest.
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pakistan did not fluke a CT.
 
Ab Fan said:
My order for ODI cricket by nations would be :-

Australia
---Gap----
India
West Indies
South Africa
Pakistan
England
Sri Lanka
New Zealand

India and West Indies are #2 and #3 for winning two World Cup wins. India has a more impressive head to head record and an additional CT win to their name.

South Africa will be #4 because their head to head record is miles better than rest, the difference being comfortably more than +0.5. That difference is big and other teams can't make up via 1 World Cup win.

Pakistan, England and Sri Lanka are next in order based on their W/L ratio having won 1 World Cup each. Pakistan fluked a CT as well so they will be ahead of the other two.

New Zealand to come next followed by Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Australia obviously miles ahead of the rest.
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Beating India by 180 runs is not a fluke. One of indias win for champions trophy was a no result shared trophy and another was 20 over reduced match. Indias wins where fluke not Pakistan.
 
The progression of the W/L ratios is extremely interesting.

In early 2000s when cricket websites started recording and presenting these statistics, I remember West Indies were among top 2-3 because of the domination they had in the 1970s-1980s.

Also Pakistan used to have a much healthier W/L ratio compared to Bharat. We only got to 50% during Dhoni’s tenure as captain.

Sourh Africa were #1 by a small margin but now they’re behind Aussies.

Interesting to see how things plan out in 2020s and 2030s.

England has had a revival, I can see them replacing Pakistan soon.
 
stani_pak said:
Beating India by 180 runs is not a fluke. One of indias win for champions trophy was a no result shared trophy and another was 20 over reduced match. Indias wins where fluke not Pakistan.
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I think he means in general.

Alot of teams in world cups have fluked a win.

England in 2019 final fluked it. NZ bottled 2 catches of stokes, And that deflection was a gift of God.

Pakistan in ct got lucky against sri lanka, They shelled 2 catches for sarfi and missed like 4 run outs. And the drs victory against SA. Pak's tail was too weak to chase that.

Australia in 2023 got lucky that Afghanistan dropped Maxwell on 29. If they hadn't, campaign over for Australia.

Ofcourse alot of sides have not fluked it like classic Australia from 1996 to 2007, India in 2011 and 2024, Australia in 2015, England in 2010, Sri Lanka on 2014 etc etc.
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan solo world cup win was all thanks to rain.
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Indias T20 world cup wins where brain fades by Misbah and Klassen and you were talking about CT win, in your original post.
 
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mominsaigol said:
I think he means in general.

Alot of teams in world cups have fluked a win.

England in 2019 final fluked it. NZ bottled 2 catches of stokes, And that deflection was a gift of God.

Pakistan in ct got lucky against sri lanka, They shelled 2 catches for sarfi and missed like 4 run outs. And the drs victory against SA. Pak's tail was too weak to chase that.

Australia in 2023 got lucky that Afghanistan dropped Maxwell on 29. If they hadn't, campaign over for Australia.

Ofcourse alot of sides have not fluked it like classic Australia from 1996 to 2007, India in 2011 and 2024, Australia in 2015, England in 2010, Sri Lanka on 2014 etc etc.
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Pakistan had luck with the Sri Lanka match and yes sometimes you need a bit of lucl but they turned up for semi finals and finals and won easily both matches
 
These win/loss ratios can sometimes overshadow the actual achievements like Sri Lanka which has a better record in Asia cups but they tend to struggle in the bilateral. Similarly, Pakistan's record in ICC and ACC events is not healthy when compared to series against Zimbabwe, new Zealand C team, etc.
 
stani_pak said:
Indias T20 world cup wins where brain fades by Misbah and Klassen and you were talking about CT win, in your original post.
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Misbah innings was the reason why Pakistan came so close of winning otherwise at one point Pakistan was not even in tbe game .

But unlike Pakistan it was not due to rain .
 
stani_pak said:
Pakistan had luck with the Sri Lanka match and yes sometimes you need a bit of lucl but they turned up for semi finals and finals and won easily both matches
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Yes, they didn't fluke the whole thing.

The games against England And India are one of the most dominating displays of cricket I've ever seem
 
Devadwal said:
Misbah innings was the reason why Pakistan came so close of winning otherwise at one point Pakistan was not even in tbe game .

But unlike Pakistan it was not due to rain .
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It doesn't matter. A player is never remembered for their statistics, only their impact. Without searching it up, how many tournament top scorers do you remember or how many player stats do you remember?

Misbah will always be remembered as a white ball bottler.

2007, 2011 Mohali, 2012 final T20 game vs England, 2013 west indies game etc etc

He developed such a bad habit of bottling that Younis Khan demanded misbah to take off his pads in 2009 final amd sent afridi instead.

You know you're in deep when A captain trusts a blind slogger over an established batter.
 
India have been the dominant team in all formats since 2010 onwards. Only thing is they don't have enough ICC trophies in the cabinet compared to Australia. But India have dominated Australia in bilateral series. So it evens out.

New Zealand have taken South Africa's place in this era. England have had a revival since 2015 which is why they have won 2 ICC trophies.

Pakistan have lost their way except for those two days against England & India in 2017 CT.

West Indies, Sri Lanka have gone downhill with West Indies showing some improvement in tests while Sri Lanka winning ODIs vs India.

Afghanistan have taken Zimbabwe's place in this era with Bangladesh holding onto their bottom spot, although Bangladesh has become a tough team to beat in Bangladesh.
 
mominsaigol said:
It doesn't matter. A player is never remembered for their statistics, only their impact. Without searching it up, how many tournament top scorers do you remember or how many player stats do you remember?

Misbah will always be remembered as a white ball bottler.

2007, 2011 Mohali, 2012 final T20 game vs England, 2013 west indies game etc etc

He developed such a bad habit of bottling that Younis Khan demanded misbah to take off his pads in 2009 final amd sent afridi instead.

You know you're in deep when A captain trusts a blind slogger over an established batter.
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Bro, just one point. 2009 happened before 2011 and 2013. Rest you carry on with your discussion.
 
Ab Fan said:
Bro, just one point. 2009 happened before 2011 and 2013. Rest you carry on with your discussion.
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Yes but Misbah has established a rapport of bottling in 2007 alone lol.

YK didn't trust him based of the bottle job in 2007.

Secondly Misbah literally kills every innings because he wastes time finding his footing. I wouldn't be suprised if he was sent and pakistan lost 2009.

He did this in 2012 during his final t20 game. Their was no conceivable way to lose that game yet Misbah did the impossible.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but Misbah has established a rapport of bottling in 2007 alone lol.

YK didn't trust him based of the bottle job in 2007.

Secondly Misbah literally kills every innings because he wastes time finding his footing. I wouldn't be suprised if he was sent and pakistan lost 2009.

He did this in 2012 during his final t20 game. Their was no conceivable way to lose that game yet Misbah did the impossible.
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@Ab Fan to put it into perspective, The first wicket fell at 48 for 1 in 7 overs and the target was 139.

Afridi was sent who struck 54 of 40. Be honest, imagine if Misbah was sent, do you seriously think pakistan would have gotten over the line. Misbah had an even easier situation in his final t20 game against England.

Regardless in 2009 he'd have taken up dot balls and caused a massive collapse from the other end and caused another bottle job.

No way he was hitting 54 of 40 like afridi and taking the gane away from the opposition.
 
Devadwal said:
Misbah innings was the reason why Pakistan came so close of winning otherwise at one point Pakistan was not even in tbe game .

But unlike Pakistan it was not due to rain .
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India champions trophy 2013 was won due to rain and match being reduced if it was 50 overs England would win
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but Misbah has established a rapport of bottling in 2007 alone lol.

YK didn't trust him based of the bottle job in 2007.

Secondly Misbah literally kills every innings because he wastes time finding his footing. I wouldn't be suprised if he was sent and pakistan lost 2009.

He did this in 2012 during his final t20 game. Their was no conceivable way to lose that game yet Misbah did the impossible.
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Actually 2007 wasn't really a bottle job. He played a terrific knock and was all set to become the game changer for Pakistan. He just played one wrong shot, should have backed himself to hit Joginder Sharma down the ground. What he did in 2011 World Cup semi final and 2012 was unforgivable but in 2007, he was almost the saviour for Pakistan.
 
Ab Fan said:
Actually 2007 wasn't really a bottle job. He played a terrific knock and was all set to become the game changer for Pakistan. He just played one wrong shot, should have backed himself to hit Joginder Sharma down the ground. What he did in 2011 World Cup semi final and 2012 was unforgivable but in 2007, he was almost the saviour for Pakistan.
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That is not true at all. Thing about Pakistan innings were that they were ahead of the RR through and through, For example in 5 overs they had already reached 53 thanks to Imran Nazir blist fire.

The issue was Wickets were falling at the other end.

By the time Misbah came onto the crease, Pakistan were still ahead of RR. The tail enders that Misbah batted with all faced plenty of deliveries with all of them scoring 15 of 12, Tanvir scored 12 of 4 and mohammad asif scored 4 of 1 in the only delivery he played.

Misbah did not take the brunt of the scoring, He played his usual way which was his customary barely over a 100 sr innings. He rotated strike and often time left the strike to tail enders.

Sohail tanvir, Yasir arafat and Umar Gul departing g was entirely misbah's fault since he kept giving strike to these guys with singles rather then trying to be responsible as a batsmen.

Misbah gets credit in that he hung in their, He could have easily departed after YK fell but he stuck around, However the tail enders falling 1 by 1 was his fault, and his stupid shot that he played at the end sealed the deal.

Later on in his career Misbah managed to improve this aspect in that he would no longer give strike to batters at the other end and even when a double was on he'd prevent the other batsmen from taking a double. However his impact of playing an entire innings as if he's just arrived in the crease remained.

I watched the entire game and you have no idea how frustrating his innings was.

This is why someone should not just look at scorecards
 
Can someone mention W/L record of all nations after 2007 ODI World Cup.
 
mominsaigol said:
That is not true at all. Thing about Pakistan innings were that they were ahead of the RR through and through, For example in 5 overs they had already reached 53 thanks to Imran Nazir blist fire.

The issue was Wickets were falling at the other end.

By the time Misbah came onto the crease, Pakistan were still ahead of RR. The tail enders that Misbah batted with all faced plenty of deliveries with all of them scoring 15 of 12, Tanvir scored 12 of 4 and mohammad asif scored 4 of 1 in the only delivery he played.

Misbah did not take the brunt of the scoring, He played his usual way which was his customary barely over a 100 sr innings. He rotated strike and often time left the strike to tail enders.

Sohail tanvir, Yasir arafat and Umar Gul departing g was entirely misbah's fault since he kept giving strike to these guys with singles rather then trying to be responsible as a batsmen.

Misbah gets credit in that he hung in their, He could have easily departed after YK fell but he stuck around, However the tail enders falling 1 by 1 was his fault, and his stupid shot that he played at the end sealed the deal.

Later on in his career Misbah managed to improve this aspect in that he would no longer give strike to batters at the other end and even when a double was on he'd prevent the other batsmen from taking a double. However his impact of playing an entire innings as if he's just arrived in the crease remained.

I watched the entire game and you have no idea how frustrating his innings was.

This is why someone should not just look at scorecards
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I watched that game, especially the second inning fully. Nazir gave a blitzing start but the mess was done by Younis and Malik who wasted deliveries and then got out. Soon, Afridi got out for a golden duck and Pakistan were on brink of loss at 77/6 chasing a total of 158. From there, obviously Misbah will hold one end for few overs but in the latter overs, he made up for that by smashing Bhajji for 3 sixes in an over and brought Pakistan back in the game.

It was an excellent inning under pressure, the villains were Younis, Malik and Afridi who should have shown better temperament, rather than leaving Misbah as lone warrior with lower order, almost halfway in the run chase.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Can someone mention W/L record of all nations after 2007 ODI World Cup.
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Ignored other nations but these stats include matches with associate nations. Afghanistan and Ireland looks way better because of associate games.
TeamMatLostTiedNRW/L
India4122551337171.917
South Africa2911761041101.692
Australia3412031211161.677
England3301741355161.288
New Zealand2971531223191.254
Pakistan314162143361.132
Sri Lanka3931821883200.968
Afghanistan1667982140.963
Ireland18476922140.826
Bangladesh280123149080.825
West Indies3041071786130.601
Zimbabwe25172170360.423
 
Ab Fan said:
I watched that game, especially the second inning fully. Nazir gave a blitzing start but the mess was done by Younis and Malik who wasted deliveries and then got out. Soon, Afridi got out for a golden duck and Pakistan were on brink of loss at 77/6 chasing a total of 158. From there, obviously Misbah will hold one end for few overs but in the latter overs, he made up for that by smashing Bhajji for 3 sixes in an over and brought Pakistan back in the game.

It was an excellent inning under pressure, the villains were Younis, Malik and Afridi who should have shown better temperament, rather than leaving Misbah as lone warrior with lower order, almost halfway in the run chase.
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He didn't hold one end, He frequently gave strike to tail. He's lucky that the tail especially Arafat was able to actually survive for 2 entire overs (12 ball and score 15) for him.

Misbah tuk tuked and mostly rotated strike.

You need to understand that Misbah is the biggest white ball bottler to grace the game. People are acting as if his line warrior innings was like Fakhar who smacked 193 and had to get out via an orchestrated run out.

Misbah's innings was a 43 of 38 that had alot of strike rotation which led to tail getting dismissed in the first place.

In comparison even Umar Akmal and Umar gul were able to do a better job in a t20 world cup when paired together lol.

Heck Sarfaraz and Amir did a better job against Sri lanka (granted they did get lucky)

The difference is, those guys had a game plan, Misbah had no game plan, His game plan was to hold the line and hope for the best and thankfully India actually bowled rubbish to him late at the end.

Trust me I know how players play and act, Just like people pretend as if Captaincy and coaching/ chief selector are mutually exclusive and hence make false narratives for captaincy, you're doing the same here pretending as if his 2007 performance is somehow different from Mohali, or 2012 or 2013 wi ct, when in reality they feature the exact same play style just context wise the Innings seems a bit better on Paper in 2007 due to how events transpired
 
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mominsaigol said:
He didn't hold one end, He frequently gave strike to tail. He's lucky that the tail especially Arafat was able to actually survive for 2 entire overs(12 ball and score 15) for him.

Misbah tuk tuked and mostly rotated strike.

You need to understand that Misbah is the biggest white ball bottler to grace the game. People are acting as if his line warrior innings was like Fakhar who smacked 193 and had to get out via an orchestrated run out.

Misbah's innings was a 43 of 38 that had alot of strike rotation which led to tail getting dismissed in the first place.

In comparison even Umar Akmal and Umar gul were able to do a better job in a t20 world cup when paired together lol.

Heck Sarfaraz and Amir did a better job against Sri lanka (granted they did get lucky)

The difference is, those guys had a game plan, Misbah had no game plan, His game plan was to hold the line and hope for the best and thankfully India actually bowled rubbish to him late at the end.

Trust me I know how players play and act, Just like people pretend as if Captaincy and coaching/ chief selector are mutually exclusive and hence make false narratives for captaincy, you're doing the same here pretending as if his 2007 performance is somehow different from Mohali, or 2012 or 2013 wi ct, when in reality they feature the exact same play style just context wise the Innings seems a bit better on Paper in 2007 due to how events transpired
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Given the context of the game and situation in which he was in, it was a terrific knock. At 78/6, he doesn't have the luxury to control the game the way he wants. It is a different pressure when your wicket is the deciding factor and you are just halfway of the target. If Pakistan lost his wicket early, they could have bowled out at 120 too.
 
stani_pak said:
India champions trophy 2013 was won due to rain and match being reduced if it was 50 overs England would win
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Lmao what? That Indian team was a much better odi team than that England team and would have won comfortably even it were a 50 over game.

The same Indian team toured England the next year and beat them 3-1 in the ODI series.
 
Ab Fan said:
Given the context of the game and situation in which he was in, it was a terrific knock. At 78/6, he doesn't have the luxury to control the game the way he wants. It is a different pressure when your wicket is the deciding factor and you are just halfway of the target. If Pakistan lost his wicket early, they could have bowled out at 120 too.
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If your wicket is the deciding factor, on what basis are you letting your tail enders play entire overs?

This is what you guys don't understand , Misbah played every single one of his innings the exact same way.

It didn't matter if the team was winning or losing, I still remember his innings where pakistan on a rare occasion was actually batting well against Zimbabwe during his era and this doofus came taking 22 balls to make 3 runs lol and killed the tempo again.

It's just because he consistently batted at slightly > 100 in t20 and batting at 75 in odi, Misbah looks like some sort of hero while pakistan is in a collapsed state but the truth is he's an utter waste if Pakistan is in a winning position.

What he did that day is no different to How he always played, Aka take a millenia to get off the mark, when the spinner comes on, Bash a few hits here and their and then bottle it at the end.

People need to stop dramatising these situations when Fakhar Zaman, Glenn Maxwell, and heck even Umar Akmal and Sarfraz Ahmed of all people showed how you bat with tailenders.

Misbah is a one note repeat batter.
 
Mesozoic said:
Lmao what? That Indian team was a much better odi team than that England team and would have won comfortably even it were a 50 over game.

The same Indian team toured England the next year and beat them 3-1 in the ODI series.
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Cant compare a series with a tourney final. England would have won had it been 50 overs
 
This Win/loss ratio can be boosted by playing at home condition often, making suitable wickets, and thrashing the opposition. Pakistan did the opposite to that actually.
 
You just have to look at world cup W/L ratio from 2011. India is light years ahead of every team. Sure they botched some crucial games. But in terms of consistency nobody is close to them. Once they got rid of KL Rahul they won a world cup. Now they should do the same in 2027. They will win another world cup.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You just have to look at world cup W/L ratio from 2011. India is light years ahead of every team. Sure they botched some crucial games. But in terms of consistency nobody is close to them. Once they got rid of KL Rahul they won a world cup. Now they should do the same in 2027. They will win another world cup.
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After Australia, we have been by far the most consistent World Cup team overall since 1975.

People get sad about 2003, 2016, 2017, 2023, but we were also favourites to win in 2019, 1996, 1987, 2001
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Pls post ODIs away record since 2010
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This is for all team in no particular order.

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stani_pak said:
Cant compare a series with a tourney final. England would have won had it been 50 overs
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So let me get this straight..

India were the reigning world champions.

Beat England 3-2 in 2013 (In India)

Beat England 3-1 in 2014 (in England)

But somehow England were favourites against India in a tournament where India won 4//4. Got it !:ROFLMAO:
 
Mesozoic said:
So let me get this straight..

India were the reigning world champions.

Beat England 3-2 in 2013 (In India)

Beat England 3-1 in 2014 (in England)

But somehow England were favourites against India in a tournament where India won 4//4. Got it !:ROFLMAO:
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LOL, it's called coping mechanism.
 
I think up until 2000 our record would have been very good.

In recent times, India has jumped far ahead of the pack in cricket and deserves credit for its feats across all formats. Plus, they are very lucky that whenever India plays bilateral cricket, their fans think it is important, but whenever other countries play bilateral, their fans diminish them. When you have this type of logic behind you there is no way you can fail.
 
Bhaijaan said:
After Australia, we have been by far the most consistent World Cup team overall since 1975.

People get sad about 2003, 2016, 2017, 2023, but we were also favourites to win in 2019, 1996, 1987, 2001
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If we strictly talk about W/L ratio in the last 4 world cups we are three times better than Australia who are in second since 2011 world cup
 
Mesozoic said:
So let me get this straight..

India were the reigning world champions.

Beat England 3-2 in 2013 (In India)

Beat England 3-1 in 2014 (in England)

But somehow England were favourites against India in a tournament where India won 4//4. Got it !:ROFLMAO:
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Mesozoic said:
So let me get this straight..

India were the reigning world champions.

Beat England 3-2 in 2013 (In India)

Beat England 3-1 in 2014 (in England)

But somehow England were favourites against India in a tournament where India won 4//4. Got it !:ROFLMAO:
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In a finals anything can happen, if you look at the finals for CT 2017 India had beaten Pakistan in that tournament first game and record between India and Pakistan past 5 games prior to the finals India won more games, however in the finals Pakistan ended up winning the finals because they peaked at the right time

As for 2013 England peaked at the right time too a rain reduced match did India a favor and gor very lucky to win the finals
 
The top 4 ODI teams, historically ,in my opinion are :-

Australia
India
West Indies
South Africa

Pakistan, England and Sri Lanka have won one World Cup each vs 0 for South Africa but that is not enough to make up for a manmoth difference in NRR of +0.5 or above.

If they win one more ODI World Cup, they will surpass South Africa and possibly West Indies too as their NRR is going downhill.
 
stani_pak said:
In a finals anything can happen, if you look at the finals for CT 2017 India had beaten Pakistan in that tournament first game and record between India and Pakistan past 5 games prior to the finals India won more games, however in the finals Pakistan ended up winning the finals because they peaked at the right time

As for 2013 England peaked at the right time too a rain reduced match did India a favor and gor very lucky to win the finals
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So once again...let me get this straight.

You say "Anything can happen in a final" and then say England were favourites?

Just because Pakistan fluked a win against India in a final, England would have too? And that too they were favourites to fluke it ?

Mind bending logic :yk
 
Buffet said:
It's true that some top teams not always put their first choice XI in all ODIs, but teams like Pakistan, BD, SL WI etc do put the best XI pretty much all the time.

If we take 2008 as starting point then ,

Top 5 teams : Ind, Aus, SA, Eng, NZ

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Before 1/1/2008....


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INdia's real turn around started after Dhoni's entry.


India's W/L ratio Against Aus/Eng/NZ/Pak/SA/SL/WI in 2000s

With MSD 1.245
Without MSD 0.716
 
Mesozoic said:
So once again...let me get this straight.

You say "Anything can happen in a final" and then say England were favourites?

Just because Pakistan fluked a win against India in a final, England would have too? And that too they were favourites to fluke it ?

Mind bending logic :yk
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Pakistan beat India by 180 runs what logic is that calling it a fluke.
 
Mesozoic said:
It is a fluke lol. Pakistan won just that 1 game out of the last 9 ODIs between the two sides for almost a decade.

Textbook definition of a fluke.
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A fluke its when you get lucky, like Indias last over in t20 world cup 2022 vs Pakistan, a played gets bowled a no ball and goes for 3 runs....that is a fluke, not destroying your opponent by 180 runs, and they also beat india in 2013 twice in odis, and once in 2014 in asia cup in ODI, so learn how to count before you make up false stats prior to champions trophy finals 2017 if you look at the last 10 games or so pakistan won 3. Biggest fluke was Indias shared trophy with Sri Lanka why not talk about that
 
Mesozoic said:
It is a fluke lol. Pakistan won just that 1 game out of the last 9 ODIs between the two sides for almost a decade.

Textbook definition of a fluke.
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Do you mean know what Textbook Definition means?
 
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stani_pak said:
A fluke its when you get lucky, like Indias last over in t20 world cup 2022 vs Pakistan, a played gets bowled a no ball and goes for 3 runs....that is a fluke, not destroying your opponent by 180 runs, and they also beat india in 2013 twice in odis, and once in 2014 in asia cup in ODI, so learn how to count before you make up false stats prior to champions trophy finals 2017 if you look at the last 10 games or so pakistan won 3. Biggest fluke was Indias shared trophy with Sri Lanka why not talk about that
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Lol how sensitive! The current set of players on both sides faced each other 8 times since 2017 and Pakistan managed to win just one game out of those. India had a complete off day in the final and credit to Pakistan for taking advantage of it , but it is still a fluke as Pakistan didn't even come close to replicating that performance in the next 7 years.

Your own ex-cricketers like Wasim Akram have called it a fluke lol. Wake up..
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Yep 152-0 was also a fluke.
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No it wasn't to be fair. Pakistan are a lot more competitive in the shortest format and they deserved that win even if we ignore the toss and dewbai factor. They also beat us in the 2022 Asia cup game and ran us close in the last two T20 world cups..

But all they've done in ODIs ever since the 2017 final is surrender meekly without much of fight to a much superior Indian side.
 
Mesozoic said:
Lmao first time? Your own ex-players and number of fans have already noted that it was a flukiest of all the flukes.
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so with your logic any win over 180 runs or more is a fluke right...just trying to make sure I understand
 
mominsaigol said:
Do you mean know what Textbook Definition means?
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It was Fluke and it wast Last time pakistan won any odi against India.

After that Fluke win india humiliated pakistan whenever they were face each others

19 September 2018, Asia Cup – India Won by 8 Wickets

23 September 2018, Asia Cup – India Won by 9 Wickets​


16 June 2019, ICC World Cup – India Won by 89 Runs ( All thanks to DLS otherwise 150+ runs lose)

10 September 2023, Asia Cup - India won by 228 runs

14 October 2023 , World Cup - india won by 7 wickets

All five games after that fluke win India not just won but humiliated pakistan by big margins
 
stani_pak said:
so with your logic any win over 180 runs or more is a fluke right...just trying to make sure I understand
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Margin of victory doesn't matter. If a team is not even able to even compete in any other games than the one off game, it is most definitely a fluke.

Check the defeat margins above in Devadwal's post. Pakistan couldn't even make a fight in a single game.
 
I don’t think Pakistan’s wins including 180 runs win or 152-0 win were flukes, more like law of averages catching up with India. You are bound to win 2-3 games out of every 10 that are played between the teams.
 
Devadwal said:
It was Fluke and it wast Last time pakistan won any odi against India.

After that Fluke win india humiliated pakistan whenever they were face each others

19 September 2018, Asia Cup – India Won by 8 Wickets

23 September 2018, Asia Cup – India Won by 9 Wickets​


16 June 2019, ICC World Cup – India Won by 89 Runs ( All thanks to DLS otherwise 150+ runs lose)

10 September 2023, Asia Cup - India won by 228 runs

14 October 2023 , World Cup - india won by 7 wickets

All five games after that fluke win India not just won but humiliated pakistan by big margins
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Oh my God, no offence but I'm seriously starting to question which educational institute you guys went to if you don't know basic meanings.

Seriously does no one know what the definition of Fluke entails?

A Fluke is not the same as a ONE OFF EVENT that you're equating it to.

A fluke means an accident or something that was putside your control, such as me randomly winning the lottery.

Common Examples of Flukes include

1) The deflection happening for England in the world cup final leading to England victory, Aka it was beyond anyones control and was a LITERAL ONE IN A MILLION EVENT.

2) Naseem Shah edging it against Afghanistan last year causing pakistan to chase 302 aka 3 runs of the last ball. That edge was not deliberately done, Naseem tried to loft it over head but it was an edge and went behind the keeper.

You can fluke certain events. You can't fluke an utter 180 run humiliation. That game was completly in pakistan's control, not outside of it.

In the same way Afghanistan defeating Australia this year is not a fluke by any means.

Now does that mean pakistan and Afghanistan can beat India and Australia consistently?

Heck no, India and Australia will wash these 2 sides more often then not, But that doesn't mean those specific one off events are flukes because they are not factors putside of your control.

Again when the poster above says Textbook definition and you respond supporting him

I seriously start questioning if Aussie, British and American English is different from Indian English. I'm.not speaking Shakespeare.

Again A fluke and a One off event are 2 separate things. Not the same and not TEXTBOOK DEFINTIONS that you're insinuating.
 
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mominsaigol said:
Oh my God, no offence but I'm seriously starting to question which educational institute you guys went to if you don't know basic meanings.

Seriously does no one know what the definition of Fluke entails?

A Fluke is not the same as a ONE OFF EVENT that you're equating it to.

A fluke means an accident or something that was putside your control, such as me randomly winning the lottery.

Common Examples of Flukes include

1) The deflection happening for England in the world cup final leading to England victory, Aka it was beyond anyones control and was a LITERAL ONE IN A MILLION EVENT.

2) Naseem Shah edging it against Afghanistan last year causing pakistan to chase 302 aka 3 runs of the last ball. That edge was not deliberately done, Naseem tried to loft it over head but it was an edge and went behind the keeper.

You can fluke certain events. You can't fluke an utter 180 run humiliation. That game was completly in pakistan's control, not outside of it.

In the same way Afghanistan defeating Australia this year is not a fluke by any means.

Now does that mean pakistan and Afghanistan can beat India and Australia consistently?

Heck no, India and Australia will wash these 2 sides more often then not, But that doesn't mean those specific one off events are flukes because they are not factors putside of your control.

Again when the poster above says Textbook definition and you respond supporting him with nonsense

I seriously start questioning if Aussie, British and American English is different from Indian English. I'm.not speaking Shakespeare.

Again A fluke and a One off event are 2 separate things. Not the same and not TEXTBOOK DEFINTIONS that you're insinuating.
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I agree with your reasoning. English is not a first language for us and we often use some terms where they don’t belong, but it doesn’t imply they lack education or intelligence. Just a suggestion. You’re a good poster from what I have seen.
 
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charlie007 said:
I agree with your reasoning. English is not a first language for us and we often use some terms where they don’t belong, but it doesn’t imply they lack education or intelligence. Just a suggestion. You’re a good poster from what I have seen.
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Indians know how to communicate in English in an extremely proficient manner lol.

Their literally known for being the best English speakers in the Asian market. Their English prowess is far far superior to Other parts of Asia like China, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc etc.
 
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mominsaigol said:
Oh my God, no offence but I'm seriously starting to question which educational institute you guys went to if you don't know basic meanings.

Seriously does no one know what the definition of Fluke entails?

A Fluke is not the same as a ONE OFF EVENT that you're equating it to.

A fluke means an accident or something that was putside your control, such as me randomly winning the lottery.

Common Examples of Flukes include

1) The deflection happening for England in the world cup final leading to England victory, Aka it was beyond anyones control and was a LITERAL ONE IN A MILLION EVENT.

2) Naseem Shah edging it against Afghanistan last year causing pakistan to chase 302 aka 3 runs of the last ball. That edge was not deliberately done, Naseem tried to loft it over head but it was an edge and went behind the keeper.

You can fluke certain events. You can't fluke an utter 180 run humiliation. That game was completly in pakistan's control, not outside of it.

In the same way Afghanistan defeating Australia this year is not a fluke by any means.

Now does that mean pakistan and Afghanistan can beat India and Australia consistently?

Heck no, India and Australia will wash these 2 sides more often then not, But that doesn't mean those specific one off events are flukes because they are not factors putside of your control.

Again when the poster above says Textbook definition and you respond supporting him with nonsense

I seriously start questioning if Aussie, British and American English is different from Indian English. I'm.not speaking Shakespeare.

Again A fluke and a One off event are 2 separate things. Not the same and not TEXTBOOK DEFINTIONS that you're insinuating.
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Lol fluke happened when a team won a match but surrendered most of the Times .

You can keep your theory

After that fluke win Pakistan yet to win a odi match against india .
 
mominsaigol said:
Indians know how to communicate in English in an extremely proficient manner lol.

Their literally known for being the best English speakers in the Asian market. Their English prowess is far far superior to Other parts of Asia like China, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc etc.
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I know, right? But there are 1.4 Billion of us around, there’ll be large number that are just “good” versus being impeccable in our vocabulary and sentence construction. Let’s give people a little benefit of doubt?
 
Devadwal said:
Lol fluke happened when a team won a match but surrendered most of the Times .

You can keep your theory

After that fluke win Pakistan yet to win a odi match against india .
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Since when does Fluke equate to One off events.

In which universe does that occur? Explain this theoretical hypothesis please?
 
charlie007 said:
I know, right? But there are 1.4 Billion of us around, there’ll be large number that are just “good” versus being impeccable in our vocabulary and sentence construction. Let’s give people a little benefit of doubt?
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Umm no, especially when the response was someone asking me to keep my theories to myself lol.
 
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