What's new

"One-Day cricket is just a drag now, especially after T20" : Wasim Akram

MenInG

PakPassion Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Runs
218,138
<div style="width: 100%; height: 0px; position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.250%;"><iframe src="https://streamable.com/e/xkemcz" frameborder="0" width="100%" height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; position: absolute;"></iframe></div>

“(Ben Stokes) is such an exciting player in world cricket and imagine him deciding that he is retiring from One-Day cricket is quite sad but I agree with him. Even as a commentator now, I commentate once in a while , I pick and choose, One-Day cricket is just a drag now, especially after T20. So I can imagine as a player, and even as a commentator it doesn't finish, it takes all day, 50 overs and then another 50 overs, then you have to pre-game, post-game, the lunch game and you can imagine the [effect on] players"

“And then T20 is kind of easier. It's four hours, the game is over. Obviously, in the leagues all around the world, there is a lot more money. So yes, I suppose this is part and parcel of modern cricket. T20 or Test cricket. One-day cricket is kind of dying"
 
Last edited:
The late Shane Warne retired early as well from ODIs. Why is there so much fuss about Ben Stokes retiring? A good batter and a poor ODI bowler
 
Pandering to popular opinion?

Well that's what he does. It's either that, talking about the good ol' days or talking about how he had a chat in the morning with: [insert name of bowler who is doing well in that match].
 
Kookaburra pulled off a massive marketing coup when it convinced cricket that the correct response to the low quality of their product was to buy twice as many of them.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
hes right tho, ive been saying the same on here for years, i can't remember a single non-icc ODI from the last 10 years, last was razzaqs hundred chasing against south africa in uae.

can someone actually say when was the last time they watched an entire bilateral odi from start to finish?
 
hes right tho, ive been saying the same on here for years, i can't remember a single non-icc ODI from the last 10 years, last was razzaqs hundred chasing against south africa in uae.

can someone actually say when was the last time they watched an entire bilateral odi from start to finish?

I think you are speaking for yourself. Not everyone may share the same sentiment. I recently saw the Pakistan v West Indies series in its entirety. Did the same for Pakistan v Australia series barring one game when I was out at night.
 
Usman Khawaja echoing same sentiments in a recent interview:

"My own personal opinion - I know a few of the guys are very similar - you've got Test cricket, which is the pinnacle, you've got T20 cricket, which obviously has leagues around the world, great entertainment, everyone loves it, and then there's one-day cricket"

"I feel like that's probably the third-ranked out of all of them. I think personally one-day cricket is dying a slow death...there's still the World Cup, which I think is really fun and it's enjoyable to watch, but other than that, even myself personally, I'm probably not into one-day cricket as much either."

"The majority of people I talk to still love Test cricket - It's my favourite format. Think Test cricket still has a very strong presence so don't really see that going anywhere. Think both [Tests and T20] can be quite easily balanced, but then you ask yourself the question does one-day cricket give"
 
That's nonsense in my opinion.

The biggest ICC tournament in the world and pinnacle of the game is ODI World Cup and it cannot be played independently with no bilateral ODIs being played.

The division of format that I have proposed on PakPassion in past is what I would like to align on and propose once again:-

1. Shelve T20I cricket. It is pointless, teams don't play their full string sides in T20Is for about 70% of the matches. Only have a T20 World Cup once in two years. As a part of preparation, play franchise cricket and have a fixed schedule for that. Obviously the schedule varies for different countries.

2. Increase the ODIs count per year( this has gone down rapidly in last 2-3 years) and has led to decline in this format. Instead to keep this format alive and kicking again, play more ODI games with conditions being balanced and a few patta wickets here and there to generate better revenues. Tests remain as it is. They have not been affected much and should remain as it is.

3. ODI World Cup remains the pinnacle while the World T20s are also there once in every two year to keep this format alive as well.
 
Last edited:
That's nonsense in my opinion.

The biggest ICC tournament in the world and pinnacle of the game is ODI World Cup and it cannot be played independently with no bilateral ODIs being played.

The division of format that I have proposed on PakPassion in past is what I would like to align on and propose once again:-

1. Shelve T20I cricket. It is pointless, teams don't play their full string sides in T20Is for about 70% of the matches. Only have a T20 World Cup once in two years. As a part of preparation, play franchise cricket and have a fixed schedule for that. Obviously the schedule varies for different countries.

2. Increase the ODIs count per year( this has gone down rapidly in last 2-3 years) and has led to decline in this format. Instead to keep this format alive and kicking again, play more ODI games with conditions being balanced and a few patta wickets here and there to generate better revenues. Tests remain as it is. They have not been affected much and should remain as it is.

3. ODI World Cup remains the pinnacle while the World T20s are also there once in every two year to keep this format alive as well.

Absolutely agree.

T20 is micky mouse cricket..hacks and sloggers.

test and one day cricket always have been pinnacle.
 
I think you are speaking for yourself. Not everyone may share the same sentiment. I recently saw the Pakistan v West Indies series in its entirety. Did the same for Pakistan v Australia series barring one game when I was out at night.

im speaking for cricket fans i know irl, some who love odis for nostalgic reasons, but none of them watch a whole odi, its simply not practical. weekday your working, and weekend usually have other commitments at some point in the day.
 
im speaking for cricket fans i know irl, some who love odis for nostalgic reasons, but none of them watch a whole odi, its simply not practical. weekday your working, and weekend usually have other commitments at some point in the day.

Well that's different. But that was just as true 30 years ago for other people as it is now for you now.
 
Well that's different. But that was just as true 30 years ago for other people as it is now for you now.

but the difference is 30 years ago if u needed ur short format fix u had no option but to make time to watch odis, now t20s are so ubiquitous that u can wait till the fixtures fit ur timetable, rather than vice versa.
 
That's nonsense in my opinion.

The biggest ICC tournament in the world and pinnacle of the game is ODI World Cup and it cannot be played independently with no bilateral ODIs being played.

The division of format that I have proposed on PakPassion in past is what I would like to align on and propose once again:-

1. Shelve T20I cricket. It is pointless, teams don't play their full string sides in T20Is for about 70% of the matches. Only have a T20 World Cup once in two years. As a part of preparation, play franchise cricket and have a fixed schedule for that. Obviously the schedule varies for different countries.

2. Increase the ODIs count per year( this has gone down rapidly in last 2-3 years) and has led to decline in this format. Instead to keep this format alive and kicking again, play more ODI games with conditions being balanced and a few patta wickets here and there to generate better revenues. Tests remain as it is. They have not been affected much and should remain as it is.

3. ODI World Cup remains the pinnacle while the World T20s are also there once in every two year to keep this format alive as well.

I think the audiences around the world disagree with your opinions.

Your points:

1. You say shelve T20s. That doesn't make sense when that is what the majority of viewers and audiences apparently prefer. I'll happily have a get together or small party with friends to watch a T20 match for example - they can come over for 3-4 hours and we can watch the entirety of the match and then everyone goes home. Same with actually watching live. But an 8 hour match? Probably not, unless it's something really important like a world cup semi-final and even probably not in that case. Probably just watch one innings instead.

2. You say increase the number of ODI games played per year. What reason is there to do this aside from it is the format you prefer? If the demand was so great, then there would be more ODI games. But it seems there is not, due to the laws of demand and supply. As someone else mentioned, ODI games are hardly memorable these days anyway. Back before T20s, it was the only shorter version of cricket and was considered exciting compared to test cricket. Now it is probably boring compared to T20 cricket for the younger generation, just as in my generation most people considered test cricket boring compared to ODI cricket.

3. ODI world cup is great and I agree it is the pinnacle of limited overs cricket. But I don't think many people will watch an entire 100 over game even in this format - unless it's like a semi final or something.
 
Well that's different. But that was just as true 30 years ago for other people as it is now for you now.

I don't agree. 30 years ago there was no internet. 30 years ago there were far fewer options for entertainment at home. Now we have the internet to waste time on, we have streaming options, we have computer games available on phones and tablets and amazing consoles and PCs. We have so much competition for our attention. People have much shorter attention spans than 30 years ago. So I don't think you can compare.
 
but the difference is 30 years ago if u needed ur short format fix u had no option but to make time to watch odis, now t20s are so ubiquitous that u can wait till the fixtures fit ur timetable, rather than vice versa.

Okay fair enough. I understand your point now.
 
I don't agree. 30 years ago there was no internet. 30 years ago there were far fewer options for entertainment at home. Now we have the internet to waste time on, we have streaming options, we have computer games available on phones and tablets and amazing consoles and PCs. We have so much competition for our attention. People have much shorter attention spans than 30 years ago. So I don't think you can compare.

Yeah that's all true. I agree completely.
 
As much as im not a fan of T20 cricket it is here to stay. Having a T20 world cup every 2 years is fine.

In regards to ODIs lets be honest unless series are played in England, Australia or India you dont see full houses otherwises. Yes there will be certain games that may see full house in pakistan, SL, NZ or SA.

Its also clear that from a money point of view outside of the top 3 teams like SA, SL, WI have already shown they are times dont want to host ODI series as they make little money from it.

The ODI world cup should be a stand alone tournament (10 teams)

1 Big group of 10 like last time. Top 4 go into semis, but also make the group table more important so that either 1st 6 or 8 in table of 10 go into next world cup and remaining teams have to qualify. means that so called dead rubber games are more important.

Also then leave all teams to organise ODI series between them if they want. if teams dont want to fair enough they are just under prepping themselves for big competitions.

sadly this is way game is going
 
No format should be scrapped and neither should the volume of Cricket be interpreted. The more cricket there is the better it is for all the stakeholders.

If the players are complaining about burn out, fatigue, then the solution is very simple, play a second eleven. If countries truly believe in their pipeline, they should be able to field two or three separate teams and this is actually good for players who don't get much chances
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56803;️ "The thing is basically being written off before our very eyes, whilst we're pretending that we're still interested in it." <br><br>Mark Butcher explains why he's worried about the future of 50-over cricket in England &#55357;&#56493; <a href="https://t.co/8xdKXDpaCj">pic.twitter.com/8xdKXDpaCj</a></p>— Sky Sports Cricket (@SkyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1550472508566081536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2022</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The ODI World Cup is amazing and far more prestigious & memorable than T20 World Cup.

If you eliminate it, then you're also eliminating that.

I do get what players are coming from though. With a shorter and generally more fun format, ODi's become less valuable and in an age where players workload is increasingly becoming an issue and international calendar being shortened, eliminating ODI's is the logical solution. 8 hour matches are just far too long and it's hard for people to watch or gain that proper attendance you want because its such a long match. T20 matches are always packed because its more entertaining, short & for players, it's not as taxing on the body.

Internationally, the way to grow the game is through T20's as well. That is the present & the future but it remains disappointing nonetheless. ODI is my favourite format to watch.
 
If you want to scrap one format than scrap it completely that means there should be no 50 overs WC. There's no franchise cricket for 50 overs so 50 overs bilateral should stay preferably in some kind of ODI super league OTOH we have tons of T20 leagues so T20I's are basically pointless and we should get rid of it & play it only in WC after every 2 years.
 
ODI cricket is better than t20 cricket IMO. The two new balls, fielding restrictions should be scrapped. Pitches can be made better as well. ICC ruined ODI cricket 11 years ago.

Don't really get the hype Ben Stokes' retirement is generating. He barely played any cricket last year apart from Ashes. Played 2 test series this year alongwith 4 ODIs and decides to call it quits.

KP in his heyday was also being a cry baby about not wanting to play ODIs. English cricketers have a habit of playing princesses. I remember after playing the 2013 Ashes, a few of their players decided to take a rest till the Australian Ashes (4 months) while their counterparts Watson, Warner, Johnson, Haddin etc had no qualms regarding playing international cricket in between that time.

Anderson has been playing for 2 decades and has never complained about his workload neither has Broad.

Sangakkara and Jayawardene played non stop cricket (134 tests and 404 ODIs and 150 and 450 something ODIs in a 15 year time period respectively) and never complained.

Don't think there'll be any English cricket with 300 ODIs and even the 200 ODI mark was only reached by Morgan a few years back (the only one to do so)
 
Interesting discussion on this topic

<iframe width="877" height="493" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/V-vLdpGHGL4" title="'I think the game is at a tipping point right now' ⚖️ | Discussion on future of cricket &#55356;&#57295;" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
dont see why the 50 over format cannot be reduced down to just the world cup, i mean look at the post t20 generation pakistani players.

shadab khan is a odi regular, hes played 10 domestic list a games in 6 years. hasan ali has played 17 domestic list A games in 9 years.

the format is dead at domestic level, yet we still furnish international teams from first class and t20 performances, so why cant u do the same for the odi world cup, build teams using test and t20i performance for a one off quadrennial 50 over competition.
 
Bring back the 90s pitches, and ditch the second new one.

90’s sensibilities will not work in 2022 tiktok generation. People’s attention span is too less.

Argument can be made for tests obviously but that’s more like a tradition. People will pick and chose their own time to follow it.

ODIs are redundant now especially bilaterals.

Only Wc or May be a CT type tournament should be played for ODIs.
 
Interesting discussion on this topic

<iframe width="877" height="493" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/V-vLdpGHGL4" title="'I think the game is at a tipping point right now' ⚖️ | Discussion on future of cricket ��" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Good points by Shastri in this.
 
Why is everyone scapegoating ODI? The problem is Cricket having 3-5 different formats.

All three formats T20, T10, The Hundred, I don't think anyone can even call that Cricket. You might as well just play Baseball.
 
Interesting discussion on this topic

<iframe width="877" height="493" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/V-vLdpGHGL4" title="'I think the game is at a tipping point right now' ⚖️ | Discussion on future of cricket ��" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


"I think the huge line in the sand is Ben retiring at the tender age of 31."

Those the words of former England white-ball captain Eoin Morgan after the side's current Test skipper Ben Stokes called time on his ODI career.

The congested cricketing calendar has come into laser-sharp focus since Stokes' announcement with the man himself saying the "unsustainable" schedule was a major factor in his decision to depart the 50-over game.

So, what can be done about the number of matches players now face, with the international programme swelling and franchise competitions popping up all over the globe?

My frustration has been the administrators’ lack of farsightedness. It seemed obvious to me when the IPL came along that it was going to be a challenge for international cricket. No one seemed to have the wherewithal to think about knitting it all together. That has never really happened. The administrators have tried to squeeze as much money from broadcast deals, put as much cricket on the calendar as possible. They have never really planned it.

Sky Sports' Michael Atherton


ODI cricket has been forced a little bit out of the game at the moment. I don't see Test cricket going anywhere, I don't see T20 going anywhere. I think we are getting closer and closer to players choosing formats earlier in their career. There are more options around the world to earn good money. T20 is not a quick buck anymore, there is long-term money.

Eoin Morgan, speaking to Sky Sports

"How does 50-over cricket survive in this country. It' basically being written off before our very eyes while we pretend we're still interested in it.

"We are world champions so talk about cutting off your nose while your face is still smiling away. It is quite extraordinary to witness what is happening at the minute.

"So, 50-over cricket might go in England but it might be different elsewhere. Nobody's circumstances are the same Some countries would be happy to see the end of Test cricket. although they won't say it out loud.

"Too often it seems the ones that have the riches and the power have looked after what is good for them thinking that that is good for the game in general but the game in general has been scrapping around."

Michael Atherton - 'Bilateral series will be reduced'

"I think the game is at a tipping point which has long been coming probably since the advent of the IPL.

"You could argue the tipping point has come now with South Africa taking the decision to abandon three ODIs In Australia as they want their best players available for a franchise tournament they are setting up.

"They are prepared to slightly imperil their participation in the next World Cup to do that. That tells you all you need to know about the balance of power between international and franchise cricket.

"There is going to an ICC event virtually every year and there are going to be windows for franchise T20 tournaments so something will have to give. What will have to give is bilateral international cricket.

"However, England, India and Australia have to be enlightened in helping other countries to be as strong as they can for the good of the game. If there are only two or three strong teams people will switch off. The beauty of the international game is the competition between the teams.

"If you think back to Covid 2020, all the rhetoric when West Indies came to England was 'thanks for coming, we owe you, we will pay you back' but it doesn't look like England will play another Test series in the Caribbean for another five years.

Test cricket is extremely expensive to host and a lot of Test nations are solely reliant on England, Australia and India touring, which doesn't happen enough,. The ICC need to chuck more money at it and force tours to happen so it stops being a boutique format of the game.
Eoin Morgan, speaking to Sky Sports


"I actually think the biggest issue in the English and world game is getting a simple structure for the fans. Things change from year to year and you are taking people's enthusiasm and preparedness to pay for it for granted

"You can't do that. You need a schedule that can hold for the next few years, whatever that might be. Something simple in blocks.

"If I could make just one plea, it would be to rebalance the thinking from 'how do we make the most money?' to 'what is the best thing for cricket and the cricketers?'

"We have covered first-class cricket in England in October freezing our backsides off. If you are doing that, you know something has gone wrong somewhere down the line."


https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...game-how-to-solve-crickets-unabating-schedule
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think you are speaking for yourself. Not everyone may share the same sentiment. I recently saw the Pakistan v West Indies series in its entirety. Did the same for Pakistan v Australia series barring one game when I was out at night.

Like wise I watch as must of the one day series Pak are involved in, as I can regardless of who they play .
 
T20 cricket outside the T20 WC is boring. ODI cricket still has a future and its better product than the T20 at the international level
 
Wasim Akram is showing the side effects of watching too many Pyjama Leagues. Those who don't watch these stupid leagues will always be hungry for international cricket. Scrap these pyjama leagues or shorten their length to 2-3 weeks maximum then everything will be alright. :inti
 
One day cricket has to go.

Much as I love test cricket and have not much regard for T20s, particularly franchise, I do believe T20s and Test Cricket have audiences. And a reason to exist.

One Day cricket will die. It doesn't have the pulling power.
 
Bring back the 90s pitches, and ditch the second new one.

This, ICC has made every move imaginable to make ODI's more like elongated T20s, and one would always chose an ODI against an elongated ODI. Address the balance between bat and ball, work with pitches and # of balls to make it hard for both teams to go above 225.
 
Today's 29 overs match between England vs South Africa has been fun to watch so far. If pitches are made little spicy then even 30-30 can be decent replacement for one day cricket.
 
As long as bilateral ODIs and T20Is make money for boards, they aren't going anywhere.

There's too much cricket full stop. Even as someone who adores cricket, it's impossible to watch every match of every series if you're working or have children. It's not only players but fans fatigued too by the volume of cricket.
 
Give it 20 years and ODIs might well be done imo, apart from possibly the World Cup.
 
They can make the ODI super league interesting by making only top 8 team qualify, and there are no back door qualification rounds. This way teams will think twice before canceling any series. As good as RSA is, it would be absolutely embarrassing if they were to miss out.

As for getting minnow team involved in Cricket, you can always include them in T20 world cups.
 
Most players priorities are as follows:

T20s
Tests
ODIs

T20s is where the money is and Test cricket still has the profile.

Unfortunately these days ODIs just make up the numbers.
 
hes right tho, ive been saying the same on here for years, i can't remember a single non-icc ODI from the last 10 years, last was razzaqs hundred chasing against south africa in uae.

can someone actually say when was the last time they watched an entire bilateral odi from start to finish?
And i don't remember a single bilateral t20 game. Test cricket is too long and t20 are too short to portray complete skills of a player. ODIs have some balance compared to other 2 formats and still its the best format.
 
Instead of ODIs icc should ban the payjama t20 leagues like ipl, pcl, bbl etc. Overdose of cricket is due to these leagues and players are getting retired early as they just want to make more money from these. And they should eliminate 2 new ball rule which have done a lot of harm to ODI cricket.
 
Today's 29 overs match between England vs South Africa has been fun to watch so far. If pitches are made little spicy then even 30-30 can be decent replacement for one day cricket.

What do you think about SRT's proposal of 25 overs and 2 innings?

I believe it will make the game super interesting! ICC should try that.
 
Give it 20 years and ODIs might well be done imo, apart from possibly the World Cup.

i think within next two FTP cycles bilateral ODIs will be done and you will just have CT and WC.
 
And i don't remember a single bilateral t20 game. Test cricket is too long and t20 are too short to portray complete skills of a player. ODIs have some balance compared to other 2 formats and still its the best format.

you dont have to remember t20s, they are a commodity to be consumed after work or on a slow weekend, win, lose, draw no one riots over em. they create the economy that will let test cricket survive.
 
What do you think about SRT's proposal of 25 overs and 2 innings?

I believe it will make the game super interesting! ICC should try that.
It's an interesting idea that maybe loved by cricket nerds like us but I think normal cricket audiences will hate it.

If they allow everyone to bat twice then it becomes just two t20s that are sandwich together and if they allow batsman to bat only once then it complicates what was simple game before.

I think focus should be on delivering a new format that packs best of both t20 and 50 overs cricket together.
 
They can make the ODI super league interesting by making only top 8 team qualify, and there are no back door qualification rounds. This way teams will think twice before canceling any series. As good as RSA is, it would be absolutely embarrassing if they were to miss out.

As for getting minnow team involved in Cricket, you can always include them in T20 world cups.

None of those are relevant. People don't watch ODIs anymore and almost every country prefer T20 far more. I like ODIs more than any format, but truth is, it's an outdated relic compared to T20 in 2022. There's no place for 2 LOI formats in cricket.

Either kill ODIs or T20Is. Given how T20Is bring more viewers + money and easier to host, it's easy to see which format will see the door out.
 
None of those are relevant. People don't watch ODIs anymore and almost every country prefer T20 far more. I like ODIs more than any format, but truth is, it's an outdated relic compared to T20 in 2022. There's no place for 2 LOI formats in cricket.

Either kill ODIs or T20Is. Given how T20Is bring more viewers + money and easier to host, it's easy to see which format will see the door out.

That's fine, but main problem is that Cricket has like 5 formats. Who is to say T10 and Hundred won't replace T20? However, those formats aren't really cricket.

Also, why is Test cricket consider pinnacle and untouchable? Besides top series/teams, I wonder what revenues that brings to the table?
 
That's fine, but main problem is that Cricket has like 5 formats. Who is to say T10 and Hundred won't replace T20? However, those formats aren't really cricket.

Also, why is Test cricket consider pinnacle and untouchable? Besides top series/teams, I wonder what revenues that brings to the table?

Test cricket is the original format and exists for 140 years. It's a legacy format liked by players and administrators, as well as the most popular format in England and Australia (2 of the Big 3). That alone will keep test cricket alive.

T20s have found solid footing thanks to IPL, which is by far the biggest event in cricket financially. IPL's brand value is over $6 billion. The other short formats aren't going to rival IPL anytime soon.

Regardless, this isn't about IPL. The other T20 leagues can keep T20Is alive and relevant. ODis in comparison have no relevance.

If T20I is ever threatened by another LOI format in future, we would have to reevaluate its worth too. But that's very far away
 
Test cricket will always be supreme for me, followed by ODI cricket. Hate T20 cricket from my gut. The only time I somewhat watch T20 cricket is during the World T20. I don't even bother following T20 leagues, let alone watch them.
 
That's fine, but main problem is that Cricket has like 5 formats. Who is to say T10 and Hundred won't replace T20? However, those formats aren't really cricket.

Also, why is Test cricket consider pinnacle and untouchable? Besides top series/teams, I wonder what revenues that brings to the table?


The Hundred is just a brodcast friendly repackaged t20 that complete in 2.5 hours with Few rule changes such as bowling side change of ends after 10 ball and optional 10 ball over etc. Not exactly a new format but just a subtle variation of t20 cricket.
 
A week ago I would have confidently assumed that Ben Stokes would be fully committed to England’s 50-overs side, focusing on the next ODI World Cup as a reigning champion, massively motivated by the prospect of defending his title and able if necessary to take advantage of his position as Test captain to pick and choose his schedule to allow him to remain involved. His retirement took me completely by surprise, and is a huge blow for the team.

Apparently the idea struck him during the first ODI against India at the Oval this month, a humiliating loss in which Stokes was one of four senior batters to be out without scoring. The nature of sport is that when you win you often don’t feel the fatigue and shrug off your body’s aches and pains – but when you lose it can be as if they are doubled. That will have played its part, and clearly he has been struggling with his knee and not bowling his ration of overs as an all-rounder for some time.

What is beyond doubt is that England’s schedule is impossibly hectic, and not just for multi-format players. You only have to look at the team England selected for the first ODI against South Africa on Tuesday, where Reece Topley and David Willey were rested having just played against India. This summer has felt unusually packed but the situation is not about to change – I recently saw England’s schedule for the next 12 months and it is absolutely brutal.

If the priority within the sport is quality and entertainment, the best players have to be given the right conditions to produce their best performances – but is that the priority at all? It seems clear to me that for the people at the top of the game it is all about money. People say that Twenty20 is what the youngsters want, and without doubt the format has brought huge entertainment and given the game new life, but in the pursuit of profit it is being allowed to completely take over the calendar. The 50-over game, increasingly squeezed into the margins, is paying the price.

I am not sure what, if anything, can save it now. Too many games have been played on shirtfronts with balls that don’t swing, seam or spin, massively weighted in favour of the batter. When the balance between bat and ball is lost the result is poor cricket. It is a physically demanding game – you are often out there for nearly four hours in hot weather, and then immediately have to bat – and the best players in the world know how much money they can make doing much less work in T20 franchise cricket. It would not surprise me if the floodgates open now and after next year’s World Cup we see a string of big names choosing to step away from it.

For all that, Stokes’s retirement seems to have been accepted very quickly. England waited so long to win the World Cup, and now will miss his experience, his presence, character and skill as they try to defend it. Was there really nothing we could do to allow him to continue to contribute in some way in all three formats without becoming completely exhausted?

I do think we have not seen the best of Stokes either with bat or ball this summer, and perhaps a bit of time and space will allow him to bring clarity to his batting. England have looked a bit frenetic in recent white-ball series and Stokes has been particularly guilty: in the ODI against India at Lord’s for example they had three men out on the reverse sweep and Stokes still kept playing the shot, scoring a couple of fours but quickly getting trapped lbw. In the first innings of the Test at Edgbaston he was dropped at extra cover after a careless shot and just kept going; he was dropped again at mid-off and then caught there next ball.

Sometimes it’s like he is deliberately sticking two fingers up at convention and saying: ‘I’m just going to do what I want.’ But this is reckless batting, and if any other cricketer had done it they would have faced a torrent of criticism. Is Stokes motivated by what his team needs or by his own ego? The truth is he is a master batsman – the reason he was England’s player of the tournament at the 2019 World Cup is that when wickets were not straightforward he batted in a careful fashion and chiselled out totals. He seems to have forgotten that approach and has been selling himself short.

He is not alone in this. Liam Livingstone is the other obvious case, and needs to ask himself whether entertaining cameo 20s and 30s are going to keep him in the team. He might be capable of clearing the longest boundary but sometimes it is better not to try – he keeps getting caught in the deep and I feel he is a better player than we are seeing. He must know that there are ways of scoring at five or six an over without taking such risks. Of course there is room for power, but sometimes the team would be better served by the most destructive individuals toning down the aggression for a while and sticking around until the last 10 overs, when they can really have some fun.

Jonny Bairstow has offered an example of how with aggressive intent and conventional, strong cricket shots a batter can score quickly and put bowlers under pressure. When I’m coaching I talk about giving the bowler a small box – once they know if they drop the ball short they will be cut or pulled but if they bowl full they will get driven, they are left with a tiny area where they can pitch it without taking punishment. We have seen examples of immaculate ODI innings this summer but they have tended to come from the tourists – Rishabh Pant for India at Old Trafford, for example, or South Africa’s Rassie van der Dussen at Durham. Hopefully an England player will produce the next, but it is a tragedy that Stokes has already played his last.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-the-end-for-50-over-cricket?CMP=share_btn_tw
 
That's nonsense in my opinion.

The biggest ICC tournament in the world and pinnacle of the game is ODI World Cup and it cannot be played independently with no bilateral ODIs being played.

The division of format that I have proposed on PakPassion in past is what I would like to align on and propose once again:-

1. Shelve T20I cricket. It is pointless, teams don't play their full string sides in T20Is for about 70% of the matches. Only have a T20 World Cup once in two years. As a part of preparation, play franchise cricket and have a fixed schedule for that. Obviously the schedule varies for different countries.

2. Increase the ODIs count per year( this has gone down rapidly in last 2-3 years) and has led to decline in this format. Instead to keep this format alive and kicking again, play more ODI games with conditions being balanced and a few patta wickets here and there to generate better revenues. Tests remain as it is. They have not been affected much and should remain as it is.

3. ODI World Cup remains the pinnacle while the World T20s are also there once in every two year to keep this format alive as well.

I agree, that's a good post. One point I would add is bring back the proper "Tours", like 3 tests and 3 ODIs, or 5 ODIs... This random **** going on where just about anyone tours anyone at any random time for any random format is completely eroding these games of any context.

I should have one India tour of Australia like every 4 years where we play 4 tests 5 ODIs, and that's it, not some random crap 3 ODIs here, 5 t20s there, 4 tests some other time... Totally loses meaning and context.

T20s limit to franchise cricket and the world cups as rightly said.
 
I agree, that's a good post. One point I would add is bring back the proper "Tours", like 3 tests and 3 ODIs, or 5 ODIs... This random **** going on where just about anyone tours anyone at any random time for any random format is completely eroding these games of any context.

I should have one India tour of Australia like every 4 years where we play 4 tests 5 ODIs, and that's it, not some random crap 3 ODIs here, 5 t20s there, 4 tests some other time... Totally loses meaning and context.

T20s limit to franchise cricket and the world cups as rightly said.

THIS ! I cannot understand the segmented tours either.

Pakistan tours England in 2020 for 3 Tests and 3 T20Is, then randomly return the following year for 3 ODIs and 3 T20Is.

Why ? Not exactly reducing our carbon footprint either :))
 
I really don't agree with folks that say ODI cricket is a boring or a drag. Not surprising that Wasim said this though as I have never heard an original thought from him ever. Always going with the popular opinion.

There are skills and aspects of the game that are only highlighted in the 50 over format. 10 overs of quality bowling where the batsmen are looking to survive, constructing an innings from he precarious situation, pacing run chases etc... These are all unique to 50 over format only.

I'll genuinely miss ODIs if they become a thing of the past... There's truly nothing like a thrilling 50 over game.
 
He is not wrong though. ODI cricket is becoming increasingly pointless. It is becoming an extension of T20, yet very very predictable unlike T 20. its become dull and boring and a vast majority of people dont enjoy watching them anymore.

More importantly, you have to face the fact that its in direct competition with T20s, not tests. and there is no way you can win against T20s. They are the big draw right now. T20s are not going anywhere.

What they can and should do is introduce some reforms to the ODI format that will make it interesting:

1. Reduce overs to 30-35.
2. Use one ball.
3. Give some control back to the bowlers using the bowling power play.
4. Do not force no ball free hit.
5. Allow for increased quote for two or more bowlers (2 bowlers can bowl a few more overs than the rest) that way you get your main bowlers to bowl more overs and crucial stages)

I think the reason ODi cricket is struggling is not because of anything but the predictability of it which is a result of the balance between bat and ball being off. you restore that balance and you will see the interest go back up again.
 
Teams should start fielding A or B teams to give rest to players who play all formats but the business of Cricket must go on. This is a win win solution because this means bench players will get opportunities as well
 
He is not wrong though. ODI cricket is becoming increasingly pointless. It is becoming an extension of T20, yet very very predictable unlike T 20. its become dull and boring and a vast majority of people dont enjoy watching them anymore.

More importantly, you have to face the fact that its in direct competition with T20s, not tests. and there is no way you can win against T20s. They are the big draw right now. T20s are not going anywhere.

What they can and should do is introduce some reforms to the ODI format that will make it interesting:

1. Reduce overs to 30-35.
2. Use one ball.
3. Give some control back to the bowlers using the bowling power play.
4. Do not force no ball free hit.
5. Allow for increased quote for two or more bowlers (2 bowlers can bowl a few more overs than the rest) that way you get your main bowlers to bowl more overs and crucial stages)

I think the reason ODi cricket is struggling is not because of anything but the predictability of it which is a result of the balance between bat and ball being off. you restore that balance and you will see the interest go back up again.

ODI needs to stop being a longer T20. Even as an ODI fan I can clearly see how ODI is now a stretched out T20 instead of its own format. Given that a T20 is 40% as long as ODIs, it's a no brainer people prefer it far more.

ICC have done everything they could to murder ODIs. ODIs would have struggled against T20 even with the changes above, but ICC isn't even doing that. It's simply a matter of time before all teams stop playing it entirely and replace with more T20Is or longer T20 leagues. Either way, ODIs are on their way out
 
The worst part about T20s that most people don't realise is that it is also very predictable. It all takes one partnership or at times just one player to click in a T20, so even a 50/4 easily ends up in 160-170 (predictable) score, so wickets don't matter much as long as one partnership cliks. In ODIs that is still, mostly, not the case , you need consistency and partnerships.

Also most T20s strech until the last over or last 2 overs, which is again very predictable, the format is so short that almost always you see 50 off 30 kind of equations.

So there is nothing like T20s are unpredictable, in fact if anything they are far more predictable than an ODI.

But I absolutely agree that ODIs, if played on totally dead wickets, become an prolonged version of T20s, which no one likes. Going back to 1 ball and sportive wickets is the best way forward for ODIs, and there is nothing more exciting than an ODI when it is played in the right conditions.
 
Perhaps 50 overs could go down to 40.

The Pro40 was an exciting competition once upon a time.
 
you dont have to remember t20s, they are a commodity to be consumed after work or on a slow weekend, win, lose, draw no one riots over em. they create the economy that will let test cricket survive.
It does not matter to me if t20s create economy. I am just talking with cricket point of view. Tomorrow they will introduce a 5 over game and you will be happy if that is helping in economy and test cricket survival? Bulshit. Test cricket will always be there even if t20s are no more.
 
I think the audiences around the world disagree with your opinions.

Your points:

1. You say shelve T20s. That doesn't make sense when that is what the majority of viewers and audiences apparently prefer. I'll happily have a get together or small party with friends to watch a T20 match for example - they can come over for 3-4 hours and we can watch the entirety of the match and then everyone goes home. Same with actually watching live. But an 8 hour match? Probably not, unless it's something really important like a world cup semi-final and even probably not in that case. Probably just watch one innings instead.

2. You say increase the number of ODI games played per year. What reason is there to do this aside from it is the format you prefer? If the demand was so great, then there would be more ODI games. But it seems there is not, due to the laws of demand and supply. As someone else mentioned, ODI games are hardly memorable these days anyway. Back before T20s, it was the only shorter version of cricket and was considered exciting compared to test cricket. Now it is probably boring compared to T20 cricket for the younger generation, just as in my generation most people considered test cricket boring compared to ODI cricket.

3. ODI world cup is great and I agree it is the pinnacle of limited overs cricket. But I don't think many people will watch an entire 100 over game even in this format - unless it's like a semi final or something.

I don't think so and actually quite a few posters agreed with it too. Let me bring in a few important points here which hasn't been dealt in your post:-

1. You are saying that ODI World Cup is great and it is a pinnacle of limited overs cricket. Then how on earth can we play ODI World Cup without playing bilateral ODIs for like 4 years?? T20s are not a preparation method for ODI World cups.

2. Another point that I personally don't agree is that ODI matches are not memorable these days. That's not true, the last memorable match across both the formats I can think of was an ODI match only between England and New Zealand in 2019 World Cup. The T20 matches on other hand were pale boring and people forget it the very next day. These days scoring 50 runs in final 4 over is no longer a big deal.

3. ODI cricket deals with building of innings and batting for a relatively longer period. This is an important skillset of the game and if players don't play ODIs, this skill will keep going extinct and it will affect Test Cricket as well. When I say ODIs, it shouldn't mean an extension of T20s. It should be pretty much like the matches that were played in 2019 World Cup, some assistance for seamers early on and then some for spinners and in phases where the wicket is flat, then the players can bring in their improved hitting ability due to t20 cricket to even chase down 100 runs in final 10 overs if batted well.

The way I see it, the best solution is to go with below template:-

1. Tests( 3 tests, some teams can have it 4)
2. ODIs( 5 ODIs, 3 ODIs really is nothing)
3. Franchise T20s with a T20 World Cup every two year
 
Last edited:
Perhaps 50 overs could go down to 40.

The Pro40 was an exciting competition once upon a time.

Again it just becomes a prolonged t20.

The best part of ODI's was teams trying to chase 75 off the last 10 and it being an actual challenge due to the conditions. Bring that back for us.
 
It does not matter to me if t20s create economy. I am just talking with cricket point of view. Tomorrow they will introduce a 5 over game and you will be happy if that is helping in economy and test cricket survival? Bulshit. Test cricket will always be there even if t20s are no more.

your not talking from a cricket point of view, your talking from your point of view. if it was really the cricketing point of view the fans would vote with their wallets and odis would be more lucrative than t20s to boards, but they are not. neither the majority of fans nor players really care about them.
 
It's time to move on from ODIs. Test Cricket can be for top cricketing nations and T20 for the entertainment aspect and spreading the game among newer nations. CT is dead, Asia Cup will have it's second T20 edition of the last three.

ODIs don't serve any purpose, it's not got any basic skill set that separates it from the other two formats. Batsmen don't go full throttle as there are too many overs and getting bowled out cheaply is not an option, but play along risk free cricket because they have developed the skills to make it up later. Bowlers are not too worried about picking wickets as long as runs are under control. With Test matches becoming more result oriented, with so many last innings chases recently the beauty of long chases in ODIs has also gone down. Only thing it is, is a bridge between the formats.

It's tougher for international cricketers as well to concentrate on all 3 formats. Everyone wants to do well in Test Cricket because that's the highest level and T20s, to earn. That's where the money is. Rather make international bilateral cricket all about tests
 
Neither International T20s or ODIs excite anyone. Out of the 2 formats, ODIs at the international level still has a better product.
 
your not talking from a cricket point of view, your talking from your point of view. if it was really the cricketing point of view the fans would vote with their wallets and odis would be more lucrative than t20s to boards, but they are not. neither the majority of fans nor players really care about them.

Everyone have and give their personal views on this forum. And so is mine as per cricketing perspective. Really, are you talking on behalf of all the cricket fans over the world?
 
Everyone have and give their personal views on this forum. And so is mine as per cricketing perspective. Really, are you talking on behalf of all the cricket fans over the world?

no, im not, the money is.
 
What is Wasim on about? ODI cricket is the best format

T20i are pointless and a waste of time
 
It all comes down to economics. Nobody is going to play ODI’s if the viewership and sponsorship isn’t there. Despite what some people think, cricket isn’t a non profit charity seeking to fulfill everyone’s individual preferences regarding format.
 
I still enjoy ODI.

However, I admit that bilateral ODIs don't feel fun anymore. Only World Cup is entertaining.
 
I would say wipe out these pointless bilateral ODIs and have more tri nation series, Sharjah Cups, Carlton and United series, Singer Cups, Sahara Cups, Castle Lager Cup, Benson and Hedges Natwest Cups, Champions Trophy and WCs.

This will keep ODIs and T20s interesting when many countries are competing against each other, not boring pointless bilateral series
 
I would say wipe out these pointless bilateral ODIs and have more tri nation series, Sharjah Cups, Carlton and United series, Singer Cups, Sahara Cups, Castle Lager Cup, Benson and Hedges Natwest Cups, Champions Trophy and WCs.

This will keep ODIs and T20s interesting when many countries are competing against each other, not boring pointless bilateral series

I say get rid of all the bilateral ODI games. It can also prevent injuries.

Just keep the World Super League and World Cup.
 
Back
Top