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"Our domestic cricket at the moment does not provide pressure situations for players" : Wasim Khan

"We are streamlining (the system) to create better competition for places, create better wickets, make it more competitive, highly quality based as the Chairman has just said, so that we can start to produce players and put them under pressure"

"Our domestic cricket currently and previously does not provide pressure situations for the players"

"People say our players struggle under pressure (but the fact is that) actually you are a product of the system"

"Most important thing is that we want consistency - if we get to the top, we want to stay at the top"

"Australia went through a lot of problems before Allan Border took over - their cricket was going nowhere, they made some tough decisions; what we are doing is that we are making tough decisions but we are also making balance decisions"

"We are trying to balance all sides to make sure we have a system that is here for ever - we dont want to change the system in 10 years time"

"We have an opportunity to change the face of cricket in Pakistan so that we can World Test Champions and we can start improving the consistency in white-ball cricket"

"There is going to be an activity audit as we hear that people say that of so many thousands of our clubs, only a 1000 are active - that will go"

"We have a strict criteria about what clubs will look like and we will spotcheck - we will do that with our coaches"

"If we wanted a meritocracy where the best players would be coming up, then it wasnt going to happen with the old system"

"We are sitting number 7 in Tests and number 6 in ODI cricket"

"For a proud nation, are we comfortable with that?"

"You can either look at this (new system) through a microscope and find faults or you look thought it via a wider lens; if you look through it with a wider lens to see where we want to go and what we want to do, you will see the vision of where we want to take Pakistan cricket"

"We made the domestic schedule 2 months ago as at that time we were scheduled to play SL in Tests at the end of September & early October, and therefore we factored in a number of 1st class matches before then"

"Middle of October, we have domestic T20 so that it will inform the decision making for PSL owners in terms of selections, the second thing is that we have a T20 series vs Australia in early November so we need the selectors to have something to go by in terms of form and in terms of whats going on"

"The fitness standards we have for international cricket, we will try and replicate them in domestic cricket as well"

"There will be fitness tests as part of the cricket association central contract awards for players - there will be fitness clauses in contracts"

"We dont want players coming to the international level without knowing what is required of them"

"We (PCB) are funding associations fully in the first year - close to about a billion PKR that PCB will invest this year"

"Our vision is to create sustainability but first year we have to seed fund this to get things up and running"

"The first year (for associations etc) will be that of learning and we will review this after one year"

"Our journey has is starting, we will have a new head coach and a team with him and domestic cricket will support that"

"This man in front of you, David Parsons, has come from England to set our high-performance system"

"The ECB has the best high-performance system in place - He (Parsons) will not impose the English system on us instead he will assess our system, our coach assessment system, and he will provide recommendations to improve all of those things"

"Babar Azam and Shaheen Shah Afridi have all come via the NCA system so everything is not so bad"

"Our average 1st innings score in domestic cricket is 231, its the lowest in the world"

"Zimbabwe is 240, and we are 231"

"How can we be expected to produce world-class batsmen when our average score in 1st innings of first-class is 231?"

"This year we will bring in a no-toss rule; When this was done in England, the average score went up by 40 or 50 runs"

"On the average our first-class games last two and a half days"
 
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"Until the system is correct, no coach can be successful" : Wasim Khan

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"Our domestic cricket at the moment does not provide pressure situations for the players" : Wasim Khan

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PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani

“We are delighted to announce that we have achieved the target of reforming our domestic structure. One of the key priorities of this PCB administration is to enhance the quality of cricket, which will in due course also begin to reflect in our on-field performances at the international level.

“We want to develop consistency in our performances, across all formats, at the apex level so these reforms were pertinent.

“The PCB will provide assistance to the provincial associations in setting up the structure, which will include helping them in assembling a council – which will look after the affairs – and aiding them in attaining sponsorship deals.

“The PCB has worked extremely hard behind the scenes to make this happen. But we also understand there may be a few teething issues in the first year of the new structure, but I assure all stakeholders we will address these professionally and ensure the 2020-21 is smoother.”


PCB Chief Executive Wasim Khan


“A clear pathway is being laid out for the club cricketers to graduate to the provincial level cricket at the apex level. In all, approximately 450 players, coaches, physios, selectors and other support staff will be involved in domestic cricket.

“The launch of the new domestic structure perfectly aligns with the World Test Championship, which commenced with the Ashes. Pakistan's opening series is in October and we aspire to feature in the final which will be held at the end of the two-year cycle in 2021.

“The PCB strongly believes in primacy of Test cricket, which is the traditional format of the game and in which we have slipped in our performances. We firmly believe this structure will not only help the PCB raise a team that can play in the 2021 final but also an opportunity to the talented and skilled cricketers to represent Pakistan in the purist format of the game.

“Our scheduling of white ball cricket will also give us every chance of being successful at the ICC Men’s T20 World Cups 2020 and 2021, and will support our preparation for the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023.”
 
Look, I like all the changes he is bringing about, but why is the underlying assumption there that Pak cricket is not elite anymore? A few years ago, we were destroying everyone in the UAE and have drawn series in the UK. Which Pak team has ever performed in Australia? Under Sarfraz there is a slip in the rankings and poor performances at home, but under Misbah we were in no sense minnows, or uncompetitive as WK seems to be assuming here..
 
Really chuffed hes been appointed as the head of the pcb, we finally have some professionalism leading the pcb system, he did a fantastic job liecestershire cc
 
Look, I like all the changes he is bringing about, but why is the underlying assumption there that Pak cricket is not elite anymore? A few years ago, we were destroying everyone in the UAE and have drawn series in the UK. Which Pak team has ever performed in Australia? Under Sarfraz there is a slip in the rankings and poor performances at home, but under Misbah we were in no sense minnows, or uncompetitive as WK seems to be assuming here..

Maybe with new system being implemented and the profile of player the system produces pakistan could be more successful and dominant
 
A big reason why we spill pressure catches is because of this. Our players aren’t use to catching regularly under pressure.
 
Great news. Was sick of looking at scorecards last year and seeing such low totals.
 
Spoke with a few players about the changes and many are not happy.

In fact some have said they will need to play domestic in Sri Lanka, UAE, Bangladesh instead of being given the chance to play in Pakistan.
 
Spoke with a few players about the changes and many are not happy.

In fact some have said they will need to play domestic in Sri Lanka, UAE, Bangladesh instead of being given the chance to play in Pakistan.

The problem is the money involved, it is too low. 20 to 25 lac for 5 months cricket compared to PSL emerging cricketers earning $12,000 to $13,000 for month T20 cricket.

50,00 monthly retainer isn’t going to attract to many. Club cricket in UK pays around the same or more

According to a journalist. Department cricket used to pay 65K to 2.50 lac monthly apart from match and daily allowance, Salman Butt on Aap news show at 7:00 pm said the same about department cricket packages being offered.
 
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Spoke with a few players about the changes and many are not happy.

In fact some have said they will need to play domestic in Sri Lanka, UAE, Bangladesh instead of being given the chance to play in Pakistan.

New things take time to get accustomed to and there always resistance to change along with the fear of unknown. There will be 2nd XIs as well so anyone who is a decent cricketer will get games throughout the season. Australian players who also play 4 day cricket and even One day cricket in 6 regional teams dont have problem with not getting selecting for state teams in which only limited number of top players can play.

There will be second XIs where any player missing out on main regional contract can perform and get selected at a regional level.

Playing cricket for the sake of cricket is meaningless if its not of quality enough to produce players for international level and that is what was happening previously. Even in this structure Almost everyone will get game time but yes the premier tournament will only include the best talent to ensure the quality of cricket.
 
The problem is the money involved, it is too low. 20 to 25 lac for 5 months cricket compared to PSL emerging cricketers earning $12,000 to $13,000 for month T20 cricket.

50,00 monthly retainer isn’t going to attract to many. Club cricket in UK pays around the same or more

According to a journalist. Department cricket used to pay 65K to 2.50 lac monthly apart from match and daily allowance, Salman Butt on Aap news show at 7:00 pm said the same about department cricket packages being offered.

How is it less than before? Rather looks to be much better for the second tier players who didnt use to get 2.5 lac as 2.5 lac is the highest bracket according your information turns out to be 30 lac so how is 20-25 lac being considered low here? Also 2.5 lac in would be for top cricketers which will still get the same but the second tier can earn more than they used to.
 
New things take time to get accustomed to and there always resistance to change along with the fear of unknown. There will be 2nd XIs as well so anyone who is a decent cricketer will get games throughout the season. Australian players who also play 4 day cricket and even One day cricket in 6 regional teams dont have problem with not getting selecting for state teams in which only limited number of top players can play.

There will be second XIs where any player missing out on main regional contract can perform and get selected at a regional level.

Playing cricket for the sake of cricket is meaningless if its not of quality enough to produce players for international level and that is what was happening previously. Even in this structure Almost everyone will get game time but yes the premier tournament will only include the best talent to ensure the quality of cricket.

Australian state cricketers get paid more than our international cricketers(around $185,000)

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-03/cricket-pay-deal-explained/8771988

We will be paying ($13,000 to $16,000), stop comparing it with Australian model.
 
Australian state cricketers get paid more than our international cricketers(around $185,000)

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-03/cricket-pay-deal-explained/8771988

We will be paying ($13,000 to $16,000), stop comparing it with Australian model.

When did I compare the pay scale with them? I wasnt comparing the pay scale of Australian model was pointing towards the issue that not all players are able to play domestic cricket and 2nd Xis also play a role to give game time to players who are not playing for their regional teams.
 
How is it less than before? Rather looks to be much better for the second tier players who didnt use to get 2.5 lac as 2.5 lac is the highest bracket according your information turns out to be 30 lac so how is 20-25 lac being considered low here? Also 2.5 lac in would be for top cricketers which will still get the same but the second tier can earn more than they used to.

That is just monthly retainer, clearly you aren’t counting match and daily allowance, all the medical is free for your family. It will be around 50 lacs and more.


According to Salman Butt, top cricketers like Umar Akmal in Ramazan cup, gets 6 to 8 lacs. It’s only a club tournament
 
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[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] should talk to top department cricketers if they will be earning less than half what they used to earn. It doesn’t make sense
 
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That is just monthly retainer, clearly you aren’t counting match and daily allowance, all the medical is free for your family. It will be around 50 lacs and more.


According to Salman Butt, top cricketers like Umar Akmal in Ramazan cup, gets 6 to 8 lacs. It’s only a club tournament

Match and daily allowances would add another 20 lac to the pay package? Thats pretty steep for allowances but anyways we don’t exactly know if there are any perks and privileges associated with the contract being offered by PCB.

Also that 2.5 lac would be only for handful cricketers which are of international level, most of the players would not have been getting that in previous model.

Lets take an example of a player e.g Saud Shakeel, he is not an international player and assuming he would have been getting around maybe 80,000 per month (9.6 lac per year) but now he will be making as much as others by representing his regional team (20-25 lac per year).
 
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[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] should talk to top department cricketers if they will be earning less than half what they used to earn. It doesn’t make sense

They are mentioning lack of opportunities for many players meaning they will have to look to play domestic outside their own country.
 
Match and daily allowances would add another 20 lac to the pay package? Thats pretty steep for allowances but anyways we don’t exactly know if there are any perks and privileges associated with the contract being offered by PCB.

Also that 2.5 lac would be only for handful cricketers which are of international level, most of the players would not have been getting that in previous model.

Lets take an example of a player e.g Saud Shakeel, he is not an international player and assuming he would have been getting around maybe 80,000 per month (9.6 lac per year) but now he will be making as much as others by representing his regional team (20-25 lac per year).
You are assuming, I will ignore that.

Just like 6 lacs(50,000) monthly + match fees and daily allowance make up 20 to 25 lacs
 
They are mentioning lack of opportunities for many players meaning they will have to look to play domestic outside their own country.

12 teams is more than enough(first XI and 2nd XI)

UP has a population of almost Pakistan, it has only one Ranji team.
 
Salman Butt and Aamir Sohail are still not satisfied. According to them Cricket is an expensive game to play now where the cost of a good pair of bats, kit, clothing, gloves, helmets can easily cost up to Rs 100k and these would be provided by the depts

That depts would provide higher salaries to their players and match fees and would also provide free medical to the players and all their immediate family members ie spouse, kids, parents etc.

The PCB and the regional associations will need to cover these things in the long run.
 
It's confusing because if you listen to Mohd Yousaf, he claims depts no longer offer long term contracts and had been reducing the pays, benefits and were even terminating players once they were past their utilities
 
The PCB has an annual budget of Rs 10 billion. Surely it they only have to take care of 200 cricketers, they can afford to pay them more, no?
 
Anyways, the depts asked for it. The PCB had been requesting them to take over and sponsor the regions for so many years but they kept on resisting and refusing
 
The PCB has an annual budget of Rs 10 billion. Surely it they only have to take care of 200 cricketers, they can afford to pay them more, no?

It was mentioned in the presser that from the 160 departmental players, 57 of them had played no more than 2 FC games. So there were really about 100 cricketers enjoying all these supposed perks and privileges from departmental cricket.

In this new model, there'll be 192 FC players so in fact there'll be more opportunities for players to make a decent living.
 
Amazing structure... can't wait to see it up and running. A moment of silence for posters like [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] who were having stomach cramps when the skeleton of the domestic system was announced.



A couple of issues I have with the structure and/or Wasim's presentation is that, there is not enough mention of List A cricket. So it seems the Pakistan Cup will be the only time domestic cricketers at the elite level will be playing List A cricket. Can't completely focus of First Class and T20s, and as we have seen List A requires its own set of skills etc. Also one thing that is unclear will the regions have the same 16 players across all formats, don't want someone like a Azhar Ali hogging a T20 spot and not allowing a youngster to exhibit his talent.

Another massive oversight is there are no comments on umpiring. Those who know domestic cricket will attest to the fact that in Pakistan if you are an influential/well-connected domestic or international cricketer, then the umpire puts his career at serious risk if he gives you out LBW or close caught behind. Also many umpiring decisions are made on the basis of the intensity of the appeal. There is a reason why trundlers like Hammad Azam, Asad Ali etc average in the teens.
 
You are assuming, I will ignore that.

Just like 6 lacs(50,000) monthly + match fees and daily allowance make up 20 to 25 lacs

Have to assume as we dont have any confirmed information yet. So lets wait for anything concrete being shared however I will be pretty surprised if players end up getting less than before.
 
It was mentioned in the presser that from the 160 departmental players, 57 of them had played no more than 2 FC games. So there were really about 100 cricketers enjoying all these supposed perks and privileges from departmental cricket.

In this new model, there'll be 192 FC players so in fact there'll be more opportunities for players to make a decent living.

Exactly this is my understanding as well that more players will be able to get pay packages comparable to the top packages in previous domestic model of departmental cricket.
 
PCB can make all the changes they need but there needs to be an attitude change in cricketers as well for the whole thing to work.
 
PCB can make all the changes they need but there needs to be an attitude change in cricketers as well for the whole thing to work.

Well under the new system, cricketers who remain stagnant and don't improve and are primarily playing the game just to earn, bread butter with no aspirations beyond that are going to be booted for newer players
 
Maybe with new system being implemented and the profile of player the system produces pakistan could be more successful and dominant

Yes inshallah, I am with you there and believe in his changes. But still, he shouldn’t put down the Pakistan Cricket Team. I am still proud of this team and think they are still up there with the other top sides, though admittedly India and Australia are well ahead of us, but we can still compete with Aus, Eng etc in all forms of the game, so no need to make it sound like we are not an elite cricket team anymore.
 
"Its not a free for all, giving everybody money" : WK talking about creating competition for people to aspire to

Finally someone had the courage to say this, its a sport, not a 9 to 5. You need the best to represent your country.
 
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interesting reading some comments on here. Quality of cricket should be the primary driver. PCB is not there to provide employment to all. Off Course some cricketers who were part of the system, but really did not deserve to be playing first class cricket will be miffed.

I met Wasim in August, and am really excited by the new structure. Also how in the future the Associations will be run with their own management teams. However, ex cricketers should not be made CEOs or Chairmans of these associations. It should be people who have held high positions in businesses and can provide a strategic outlook and plan to move the association forward and make them self sufficient.
 
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