Overseas Desi's - Would you consider retirement "back home"?

[emranabbas]

Would be nice to know when these ‘patriots’ last visited Pakistan. One admits it was 15 years ago, yet talks like an authority after binge-listening to Imran Riaz and Shahbaz Gill. Definitely deserves its own thread.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why keep a Pakistani passport when you’re a so called Brit and follow Brit culture? Lol, the desperation and hypocrisy of some British Pakistanis is quite amusing. They seem to be going through a serious existential crisis

By the way, what exactly do you mean by “Brit culture” that you guys claim to be following?

Don't shoot the messenger bhai, this is made by British Indians.

 

[Rajdeep]

It's instructive that you see white Brits as swans and non-whites as crows. This is why I always remind you of your British Raj mentality, you still wear it unwittingly today, as do most head nodders.

Okay but you said 'As everyone knows I am a Brit and my culture is British'. As funny as it sounds, I want to give you a benefit of doubt and want to give an opportunity to explain us who are these people? Has any English person said the same to you? Not doubting you but just asking.

Based on your posting style here, everyone considers you as a patriotic Pakistani and defender of Islam. Not that it is a bad thing in anyway. But if this is only your online persona and in outside world you are different that is very impressive dude.

So what are the things you do in your British Culture?

 

[emranabbas]

Why keep a Pakistani passport when you’re a so called Brit and follow Brit culture? Lol, the desperation and hypocrisy of some British Pakistanis is quite amusing. They seem to be going through a serious existential crisis

By the way, what exactly do you mean by “Brit culture” that you guys claim to be following?

There’s no clear or single thing you can point to as “British culture.” Even if you asked a hardcore Tommy Robinson type Brit to define it, they’d struggle to give a proper answer.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Okay but you said 'As everyone knows I am a Brit and my culture is British'. As funny as it sounds, I want to give you a benefit of doubt and want to give an opportunity to explain us who are these people? Has any English person said the same to you? Not doubting you but just asking.

Based on your posting style here, everyone considers you as a patriotic Pakistani and defender of Islam. Not that it is a bad thing in anyway. But if this is only your online persona and in outside world you are different that is very impressive dude.

So what are the things you do in your British Culture?

Talk to head nodders like inferior beings. Which to be fair, you allude to yourself.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why keep a Pakistani passport when you’re a so called Brit and follow Brit culture? Lol, the desperation and hypocrisy of some British Pakistanis is quite amusing. They seem to be going through a serious existential crisis

By the way, what exactly do you mean by “Brit culture” that you guys claim to be following?

On a side note we never totally integrated into British culture but developed our own British Asian culture.. In the 90s and 00s, there was a uniquely British Asian culture. There was not so much immigration, we existed in our own bubble, a mix of bhangra and hip-hop, our own slang and fashion sense, still within conservative cultures across Pakistanis and Indians, carefully straddling both worlds.

Those were the good old days man but even that Brit culture seems gone.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Talk to head nodders like inferior beings. Which to be fair, you allude to yourself.

Head nodding is not a sign of inferiority, it’s a common mannerism and a way of indicating understanding in the subcontinent. Don’t you watch Pakistani cricketers responding in presentations and events, nodding as they speak?
You come from the same background and share the same ancestry, so don’t try to act superior or pretend you’re something else.

 

[sweep_shot]

On a side note we never totally integrated into British culture but developed our own British Asian culture.. In the 90s and 00s, there was a uniquely British Asian culture. There was not so much immigration, we existed in our own bubble, a mix of bhangra and hip-hop, our own slang and fashion sense, still within conservative cultures across Pakistanis and Indians, carefully straddling both worlds.

Those were the good old days man but even that Brit culture seems gone.

Yes. This was the case in Canada too.

I came to Canada in 2005. From 2005 till 2019, Canada felt like Canada. We had a unique desi culture in Canada. There was less fraud and low crime.

All of that have changed in the last 5-6 years. Many fraudsters, illegals, and criminals have found a way and they messed up Canada. Anyway, Canada is starting to crack down now which is good.

 

[emranabbas]

On a side note we never totally integrated into British culture but developed our own British Asian culture.. In the 90s and 00s, there was a uniquely British Asian culture. There was not so much immigration, we existed in our own bubble, a mix of bhangra and hip-hop, our own slang and fashion sense, still within conservative cultures across Pakistanis and Indians, carefully straddling both worlds.

Those were the good old days man but even that Brit culture seems gone.

the RDB days

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Head nodding is not a sign of inferiority, it’s a common mannerism and a way of indicating understanding in the subcontinent. Don’t you watch Pakistani cricketers responding in presentations and events, nodding as they speak?
You come from the same background and share the same ancestry, so don’t try to act superior or pretend you’re something else.

I didn't say it was inferior, but in British culture it is considered somewhat comical.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Would be nice to know when these ‘patriots’ last visited Pakistan. One admits it was 15 years ago, yet talks like an authority after binge-listening to Imran Riaz and Shahbaz Gill. Definitely deserves its own thread.

My affiliation is with UK. My father is of Pakistani decent. My mother certainly isn't! Hence UK is home to me.

 

[Varun]

My affiliation is with UK. My father is of Pakistani decent. My mother certainly isn't! Hence UK is home to me.

Would you happen to fall in the category where you are "as out of place in a pub in London as you are in a gymkhana in Lahore"?

 

[rickroll]

Excellent thread! Thank you @DeadlyVenom for starting this. I find the numbers a little too low, how did they come up with these and are these verifiable numbers for retirement amounts?

I cannot see myself or my family ever living in Pakistan. US is home for us for good or bad (more bad under the current circumstances). I was born in the US and spent most of my time here except for spending a few years of my childhood in Lahore. We have family in Lahore and Karachi. My parents, uncles are all in the US, our kids are growing up in the US. My career (private equity) also has scope only in the US, PE in Pakistan is at nascent stages. I have an Ivy league MBA and I have no issues with my career in the US or any western country. In Pakistan I would feel the locals have an edge against me because you generally need a "short cut" mindset in most developing countries, this is something I do not have. In our family the prior generations (parents, uncles aunts) mostly came to the US in their early-mid 20s. Our generation (wife, myself, our cousins) were all born and grew up in the US. We are spread across NY, GA, FL, and CA, family members own multiple businesses and two of my cousins are in local govt posts - effectively strong roots here in the US.

Pakistani Americans (who are born in the US) in general are Americans first but also feel strongly tied to our Pakistani (South Asian) culture. At least here in the US we look down with contempt on the Pakistani Americans who say they are not Pakistanis but Americans even in a cultural/historical context. Usually the people who do that here either have no other accomplishment in life except the genetic lottery of being born in the US or they are the white washed Indian American equivalents like Bobby Jindal or Nikki "Namrata" Haley. Either way we consider that a loser behavior.

 

[rickroll]

At least you can see a lot of returnees in India, as people are getting attractive IT salaries.
You also see British Pakistanis talking about returning to Pakistan, but you won’t find many from Bangladesh.
The country is literally like a garbage pile, water is polluted with textile waste chemicals. For what reason would people plan to come back?

I am not surprised by your decision. You should be thankful to Western countries forever.

Bangladesh seems an absolute hell hole compared to other South Asian countries in all reasonable metrics of quality of life. I believe they have the highest population density resulting in too many people competing for few resources in a small space. High corruption (even by south Asian standards), pollution, unclean. Pretty much every video or photo I have seen of that country seem repulsive and I feel bad for the people stuck there.

Every other South Asian country (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Maldives) will have some avenue for a reasonable quality of life for expats but not Bangladesh. Only South Asian country Bangladesh can beat for expats is Afghanistan and that too due to political turmoil. If not for that even Afghanistan will edge out Bangladesh. IMO Bangladesh is the unfortunate arm pit of South Asia, the objectively worst country for a South Asian expat to return to.

 

[Varun]

Bangladesh seems an absolute hell hole compared to other South Asian countries in all reasonable metrics of quality of life. I believe they have the highest population density resulting in too many people competing for few resources in a small space. High corruption (even by south Asian standards), pollution, unclean. Pretty much every video or photo I have seen of that country seem repulsive and I feel bad for the people stuck there.

Every other South Asian country (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Maldives) will have some avenue for a reasonable quality of life for expats but not Bangladesh. Only South Asian country Bangladesh can beat for expats is Afghanistan and that too due to political turmoil. If not for that even Afghanistan will edge out Bangladesh. IMO Bangladesh is the unfortunate arm pit of South Asia, the objectively worst country for a South Asian expat to return to.

Preach! I've been to Bangladesh once in 2011 - I thought there would be a difference but not a giant one (eg: India vs Sri Lanka, India vs Nepal etc.) but holy moly! How do people live there? And this is coming from an Indian.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Would you happen to fall in the category where you are "as out of place in a pub in London as you are in a gymkhana in Lahore"?

There was a time, I practiced the typical British culture as one would, and one who was Brought up in a typical British/ English household.

As for the Gymkhana, dont have a clue what your referring to!

 

[sweep_shot]

Would you happen to fall in the category where you are "as out of place in a pub in London as you are in a gymkhana in Lahore"?

@aboveandbeyond is half-white and half-Pakistani. He is not a full desi.

Don't try to project your paindoo thought process onto others. Rest of the world is not like where you live.

 

[Stewie]

Im not really sure how much pensions are in USA, was just giving a rough figure as i know from UK that get a pension that equats to 4 lakh pakistani.

Yeh you are right, for an old guy there is alot more to the expenses of an old person. But incomparison to USA not as high. Yes cancer treatment or something terminal can be expensive but someone who gets 2 lakh pkr in pension can afford the healthcare. 2 lakh makes you upper middle class

Healthcare is expensive in Pakistan and USA if you dont have the right plan. Once you retire of old age, you get medicare in the USA which covers most of your needs. As a retiree moving to Pakistan, is there any health plan that senior citizens can take advantage of? what if you have not lived or paid taxes in Pakistan, are you still covered?

 

[Varun]

@aboveandbeyond is half-white and half-Pakistani. He is not a full desi.

Don't try to project your paindoo thought process onto others. Rest of the world is not like where you live.

Oh give it a rest - you don't even know if my statement is a compliment or a jibe for starters.

And please don't use Hindi when you talk/type.

 

[Independent Observer]

Pakistan is not "home" for me so would not consider it except as a last option.

As everyone knows I am a Brit and my culture is British, which is why I can spot the head nodders from India a mile off.

Out of curiosity, Cap, are you of mixed race (1 Caucasian parent, 1 Desi parent)?

 

[Independent Observer]

Based on your posting style here, everyone considers you as a patriotic Pakistani and defender of Islam.

Huh, what does him being a defender of Islam have to do with how he identifies himself?

I have come across decent amount of goras in certain western countries who are actually devout Muslims so not sure what the point was

 

[sweep_shot]

Huh, what does him being a defender of Islam have to do with how he identifies himself?

I have come across decent amount of goras in certain western countries who are actually devout Muslims so not sure what the point was

Correct.

There are many white Muslim reverts.

 

[Major]

Healthcare is expensive in Pakistan and USA if you dont have the right plan. Once you retire of old age, you get medicare in the USA which covers most of your needs. As a retiree moving to Pakistan, is there any health plan that senior citizens can take advantage of? what if you have not lived or paid taxes in Pakistan, are you still covered?

Not being a tax payer doenst matter.

I am not really well versed on senior citizen healthcare in Pakistan. Infact, we dont really know of any such thing. Outpatient treatment is affordable along with the meds if you are making above 3 lakh. But if their is something terminal, than yeh that can get costly

As for insurance, i am 31 years old. I havent really bought health insurance for myself as insurance companies and their policy sellers are abit sketchy. Like i dont trust they would do a proper pay out if i needed to claim.

Still i will study into this, and might buy a health insurance policy next year, lets see

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Excellent thread! Thank you @DeadlyVenom for starting this. I find the numbers a little too low, how did they come up with these and are these verifiable numbers for retirement amounts?

I cannot see myself or my family ever living in Pakistan. US is home for us for good or bad (more bad under the current circumstances). I was born in the US and spent most of my time here except for spending a few years of my childhood in Lahore. We have family in Lahore and Karachi. My parents, uncles are all in the US, our kids are growing up in the US. My career (private equity) also has scope only in the US, PE in Pakistan is at nascent stages. I have an Ivy league MBA and I have no issues with my career in the US or any western country. In Pakistan I would feel the locals have an edge against me because you generally need a "short cut" mindset in most developing countries, this is something I do not have. In our family the prior generations (parents, uncles aunts) mostly came to the US in their early-mid 20s. Our generation (wife, myself, our cousins) were all born and grew up in the US. We are spread across NY, GA, FL, and CA, family members own multiple businesses and two of my cousins are in local govt posts - effectively strong roots here in the US.

Pakistani Americans (who are born in the US) in general are Americans first but also feel strongly tied to our Pakistani (South Asian) culture. At least here in the US we look down with contempt on the Pakistani Americans who say they are not Pakistanis but Americans even in a cultural/historical context. Usually the people who do that here either have no other accomplishment in life except the genetic lottery of being born in the US or they are the white washed Indian American equivalents like Bobby Jindal or Nikki "Namrata" Haley. Either way we consider that a loser behavior.

It is easier to have multiple identities in America it seems like most Americans like to trace their lineage back to some home country no matter how distant it is.

American Pakistani community in general manages to straddle both identities a bit better than we do here, mainly due to the nature of America itself, but also because rthe migrants have been less conservative.

It is interesting that despite your strong connection to Pakistan as an intangible idea you don't have a connection to the place itself.

It reminds me of the scene in sopranos when paulie and others who are staunchly Italian in America, go to Italy and dislike the food and hygiene and can't wait to go home ( I know what you are saying isn't as extreme as that, but it brought back memories of those scenes).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Preach! I've been to Bangladesh once in 2011 - I thought there would be a difference but not a giant one (eg: India vs Sri Lanka, India vs Nepal etc.) but holy moly! How do people live there? And this is coming from an Indian.

Did you go for cricket or tourism?

 

[sweep_shot]

Preach! I've been to Bangladesh once in 2011 - I thought there would be a difference but not a giant one (eg: India vs Sri Lanka, India vs Nepal etc.) but holy moly! How do people live there? And this is coming from an Indian.

Where did you go? Dhaka? Dhaka is crowded and full of big city problems.

Try to go to countryside. It is much better. Sylhet, Chittagong are good.

If you don't want to come next time, that's fine too. Bangladesh should ban Indians.

There are many happy travelers in Bangladesh. They post about it on YouTube. Here is one:

 

[sweep_shot]

Where did you go? Dhaka? Dhaka is crowded and full of big city problems.

Try to go to countryside. It is much better. Sylhet, Chittagong are good.

If you don't want to come next time, that's fine too. Bangladesh should ban Indians.

There are many happy travelers in Bangladesh. They post about it on YouTube. Here is one:

I have lived in Bangladesh for 15 years and been living in Canada for 20 years. So, I have experienced both third world and first world.

For living, Bangladesh is not good. Very corrupt there just like India. But, if you want to visit once in a while, you should have a good time. Just don't be an annoying low-IQ sanghi like @Varun and you should enjoy. Check on YouTube for various travel vlogs; many travelers come to Bangladesh and they mostly say positive things.

 

[Varun]

Did you go for cricket or tourism?

Back then I was doing my undergrad - I went for a project to a campus called BUET.

I can't imagine going for a cricket match there haha, even travelling 2KM was soul sucking. It made Bangalore look like Switzerland.

 

[Varun]

As for the other option in your question - tourism - I think Bangladesh is probably in the bottom 5 nations in the world when it comes to tourism. The only tourists would be visiting friends and family who might hold different passports.

I don't think there is much to see.

 

[Bewal Express]

I know quite a few that have moved back into the villages and love the laid back life style and actually being known when they leave their house. They tell me that here in the UK they dont get to socialise with anyone and every day is like the last. My Uncle moved back and spent most of the year in PK.

 

[Vikram1989]

I will retire and go to Pakistan as a spy. Hopefully all these years spending time at PP would have trained me enough to seamlessly integrate. Retired Deadly bhai might even have a chai with me near Lyari and not even know he met a true Sanatani.

Do u think dv bhai is rahman from lyari?he may be the bad shah of Lahore.He may never grant u his audience.

 

[rickroll]

It is easier to have multiple identities in America it seems like most Americans like to trace their lineage back to some home country no matter how distant it is.

American Pakistani community in general manages to straddle both identities a bit better than we do here, mainly due to the nature of America itself, but also because rthe migrants have been less conservative.

It is interesting that despite your strong connection to Pakistan as an intangible idea you don't have a connection to the place itself.

It reminds me of the scene in sopranos when paulie and others who are staunchly Italian in America, go to Italy and dislike the food and hygiene and can't wait to go home ( I know what you are saying isn't as extreme as that, but it brought back memories of those scenes).

I think it may be because the US is a country of immigrants and everyone here could be a hyphenated American. So it is not a zero sum game where you must be one or the other but that seems to be the case in old world EU and UK.

Once it is a zero sum game then people are forced to choose and they either go hard right where they become more virulent South Asian than the South Asians in South Asia themselves or they go a hard left where they are ashamed of their South Asian roots and say "I'm XYZ nationality and nothing else" while secretly enjoying a biryani and pakpassion at home.

You are correct that Pakistani Americans in general are less conservative and also more educated. This is true for South Asians in general in US versus UK. Because of this we look down on people (and consider them as losers) whose claim to fame is only being a citizen of US (or any western nation). You won a birth lottery ... big whoop! True community leaders who command respect here have accomplishments in life outside of just a birth lottery.

Connection to Pakistan - What I observed is that it is a connection to our cultural practices, family gatherings, wedding (and other rituals), food, music, history and not as much a physical connection to a foreign land (which we do hold in fondness and want the best for).

 

[sweep_shot]

It is easier to have multiple identities in America it seems like most Americans like to trace their lineage back to some home country no matter how distant it is.

In America and Canada, everybody has immigrant root other than aboroginals/native Americans.

Whites are also immigrants. They came from Europe.

In Canada, we have this thing called "land acknowledgement". Many people acknowledge the land of the natives before they speak.

A land acknowledgement in Canada is a statement recognizing the Indigenous peoples (First Nations, Inuit, Métis) who have lived on and stewarded a specific territory, honoring their ongoing connection and acknowledging the history of colonialism as a step toward Reconciliation, often done at public gatherings by non-Indigenous people to show respect, awareness, and a commitment to learning and positive relationships.

What it is:

• A formal protocol acknowledging traditional territories.
• A statement of gratitude to Indigenous peoples for their traditional stewardship.
• A recognition of the land's history, treaties, and ongoing Indigenous presence.
• A starting point for education and building relationships, not just a formality.

Why it's done:

• To honor original inhabitants and demonstrate respect for Indigenous rights.
• To learn the true history of the land and the impact of colonization.
• To support the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's Calls to Action.
• To foster a deeper understanding of one's place within that history.

Key aspects:

• Who gives it: Ideally, by non-Indigenous people at events.
• When: At the start of public events, meetings, or courses.
• How: Verbally, visually (signs), or through actions like sharing food or music.
• Meaningful acknowledgement: Should be personalized, specific to the location, and reflect genuine reflection and commitment to action, not just rote recitation.

 

[rickroll]

As for the other option in your question - tourism - I think Bangladesh is probably in the bottom 5 nations in the world when it comes to tourism. The only tourists would be visiting friends and family who might hold different passports.

I don't think there is much to see.

Bangladesh is the worst in South Asia in all aspects. It is worse than India or Sri Lanka or Nepal or Pakistan in corruption, cleanliness, and general courtesies. You may see random one off positive Youtube videos that we can selectively find but overall it is a bad place, bad work culture, inefficient people resulting in corrupt inefficient economic system. You can see why BD is in the lowest rung within South Asia in all metrics. Sad part is that they seem to think too high of themselves living in delusions (zero self awareness about their appalling national quality).

My field of work (high end private equity) is traditionally white dominated. So many of us minorities try to give other minorities a chance to break into the field and I try to go out of my way to help other South Asians over 20+ years of my career. But consistently the guys from BD have given me the worst experience with no work ethics. Absolute disappointments!

 

[finalfantasy7]

I dont think i'll ever fully retire, i'll keep doing some work - even if its few hrs a day.

I'll return to India - take up 3 jobs , first job will be a journalist as you lot already now how great i am, no copying & pasting, i do believe i will kick start the india economy with my journalism.

2nd job, be a bus driver (electric bus), but im only gonna work for BYD, not for a indian company, ive exposed the indian bus companies here on pp

3rd Job will be a Pilot for the flying coffin brigade - gotta go out in style



What do you lot think - @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @rickroll @Cover Drive Six @sweep_shot

 

[sweep_shot]

I dont think i'll ever fully retire, i'll keep doing some work - even if its few hrs a day.

I'll return to India - take up 3 jobs , first job will be a journalist as you lot already now how great i am, no copying & pasting, i do believe i will kick start the india economy with my journalism.

2nd job, be a bus driver (electric bus), but im only gonna work for BYD, not for a indian company, ive exposed the indian bus companies here on pp

3rd Job will be a Pilot for the flying coffin brigade - gotta go out in style



What do you lot think - @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @rickroll @Cover Drive Six @sweep_shot

LOL. Sounds like a plan.

3rd one cracked me up.

IAF = I Am Falling.

 

[CricVet]

I would love to retire in Pakistan. My dream is to spend most of the time in northern Pakistan. As people have already discussed, the corruption and chaos would never allow me to stay permanently in Pakistan.

I have watched many videos about retirement destinations. The destinations I have discussed with my wife are Malaysia and Oman. They have pretty good infrastructure, much cheaper living than USA.

Of course, it would not be as convenient - meaning Costco, Walmart, Sam's Club every few miles; the best customer service in the world for things we buy and return without much fuss; everything available with a click of a button..etc. There is NOT one country that would provide this convenience. However, I would trade that off for half the year at least traveling back and forth from USA. We can buy a property there and rent it out short term when not needed.

In short, I can't PERMANENTLY settle anywhere anymore. BUT, traveling half the time would be nice.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Out of curiosity, Cap, are you of mixed race (1 Caucasian parent, 1 Desi parent)?

No, majority of my family are still in Pakistan split between central Punjab and Rawalpindi. I could live there at a push, but would always feel like a foreigner...which I am, even though I am always welcomed there by the ultra hospitable Pakistani people. If anything I always feel a pang of shame because I, being a westerner am a reluctant host.

 

[emranabbas]

No, majority of my family are still in Pakistan split between central Punjab and Rawalpindi. I could live there at a push, but would always feel like a foreigner...which I am, even though I am always welcomed there by the ultra hospitable Pakistani people. If anything I always feel a pang of shame because I, being a westerner am a reluctant host.

Cap, Were you born in the UK? Are both of your parents British? When was the last time you visited Pakistan?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cap, Were you born in the UK? Are both of your parents British? When was the last time you visited Pakistan?

Born and raised in the UK, both parents Pakistan origin. Was there a couple of years ago to attend a wedding and took an extra week after that to explore and had a great time.

 

[emranabbas]

Born and raised in the UK, both parents Pakistan origin. Was there a couple of years ago to attend a wedding and took an extra week after that to explore and had a great time.

Oh right, so you’re still a first-generation British then. I assumed you were proper proper British and a fully foreigner to Pakistan.

 

[Vikram1989]

May never settle permanently back at home.As am a avid traveller , it doesn't make sense also to settle down back.i hope i can travel to a lots of places and cover most of the list.

 

[pillionrider]

I will retire and go to Pakistan as a spy. Hopefully all these years spending time at PP would have trained me enough to seamlessly integrate. Retired Deadly bhai might even have a chai with me near Lyari and not even know he met a true Sanatani.

I think that's a great career option. You are the master of disguise.

 

[pillionrider]

Nah....Its in Aesop's Fables book. If you dont want to read it, a look into the mirror will also help.

The problem with that is when Kaptaan Saab looks in the mirror he sees a handsome Indian. But the last vestige of religion plus his parents' allegiance seeds clouds of doubt in his mind.

I reckon that's why he doesn't look in the mirror long and close enough

 

[pillionrider]

Preach! I've been to Bangladesh once in 2011 - I thought there would be a difference but not a giant one (eg: India vs Sri Lanka, India vs Nepal etc.) but holy moly!

Please tell me it was for the World Cup.

 

[Varun]

Please tell me it was for the World Cup.

No it wasn't. Who would bother going to watch those crybabies live anyway - be it in 2011 or 2025 or 2377.

 

[pillionrider]

No it wasn't. Who would bother going to watch those crybabies live anyway - be it in 2011 or 2025 or 2377.

I watched the T20 QF or knockout one - the one where Dhoni took off his gloves and ran out Fizz. There were some tigers, I mean literal tigers - men cosplaying - crying after that. Some of us went to shake their hands and kind of say it's ok. They wouldn't even look at us. They were literally beating their chests. It was so comical we had to hurry away so we could laugh in peace without being cruel.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lots of jealousy from the cult here.

There is a higher probability of "Overseas Desis" moving back to Pakistan/Bangladesh, compared to limbo stateless cult moving back to cult India.

Rocking. . . .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The problem with that is when Kaptaan Saab looks in the mirror he sees a handsome Indian. But the last vestige of religion plus his parents' allegiance seeds clouds of doubt in his mind.

I reckon that's why he doesn't look in the mirror long and close enough

Well you are right about one thing, there's probably far more chance of me looking in the mirror and seeing a handsome Indian than an actual Indian looking in the mirror and seeing one.

 

[emranabbas]

This was a very good thread like to hear views of more people

 

[Double Trouble]

If you asked me this question 10-15 years ago it would be a NO

As a British Pakistani born raised in the UK hence Bradistan with the high rise in the cost of living i am contemplating moving to PK in a few years time.

I will have a few houses cashed with rental income funding my stay in PK.

We have a new built house in the village as well as a property in Jhelum
housing association.

I visited PK last summer with so many British Born families living affordable life of luxury whilst renting property owned in the UK.

Next few decades i can see a shift of people back to the sub continent from Europe.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

These guys will.

@hoshiarpurexpress @Local.Dada @Champ_Pal @uppercut @rpant_gabba @Rajdeep @BreadPakoda

I am already home in Hoshiarpur. Long live remote working after COVID.

 

[jaspa888]

I was born in UK, and have fully assimilated in the culture there. Until recently, I saw myself living there for ever. But under successive Governments, it is quickly starting to become a third world cesspit. Highly skilled émigrés replaced by unskilled scroungers from the subcontinent. Everyone seems miserable, everything seems broken - and that regression seems to be accelerating under this latest incompetent regime. I still have several businesses in the UK, but am counting down the days to 2030 when my youngest goes to Uni and I can look to move abroad.

I previously always had Pakistan down as my Plan B for many decades. Cost-wise, its a no brainer. I am fortunate to be able to reside in the most affluent and safe areas of Karachi as my UK currency goes a long way. But with all of that material quality of life, there is no Sukoon; and without sukoon, there is no life. If someone like IK can be locked up without justice, then a nobody like me stands no chance. I'm currently in Karachi as I type this, but this place is beyond help.

Thailand or Oman look good options at the moment, but also have Malta as an option for its weather and proximity to the UK (kids).

 

[emranabbas]

If you asked me this question 10-15 years ago it would be a NO

As a British Pakistani born raised in the UK hence Bradistan with the high rise in the cost of living i am contemplating moving to PK in a few years time.

I will have a few houses cashed with rental income funding my stay in PK.

We have a new built house in the village as well as a property in Jhelum
housing association.

I visited PK last summer with so many British Born families living affordable life of luxury whilst renting property owned in the UK.

Next few decades i can see a shift of people back to the sub continent from Europe.

I’m doing exactly the same, and I also have few business plans when i move to Pakistan. Despite all the noise and negativity, there are genuinely strong business opportunities there.

Pakistan has a large population, growing demand, and many sectors that are still underdeveloped, which creates real room for growth. If you understand the market, manage things properly, and stay focused on long-term planning, it’s possible to build sustainable and profitable businesses. Like anywhere else, it has challenges, but the opportunities are very real for people who are willing to work smart and invest.

but I'm just waiting for all this PTI politic nonsense to come to an end then I'm ready to go.

 

[emranabbas]

@Bewal Express any chance of you going or your going to scream shout and moan from your Bradford rented house?

 

[Bewal Express]

@Bewal Express any chance of you going or your going to scream shout and moan from your Bradford rented house?

Thanks. I will do so. But before I do, I want you to get out of my shed.

 

[jaspa888]

I’m doing exactly the same, and I also have few business plans when i move to Pakistan. Despite all the noise and negativity, there are genuinely strong business opportunities there.

Pakistan has a large population, growing demand, and many sectors that are still underdeveloped, which creates real room for growth. If you understand the market, manage things properly, and stay focused on long-term planning, it’s possible to build sustainable and profitable businesses. Like anywhere else, it has challenges, but the opportunities are very real for people who are willing to work smart and invest.

but I'm just waiting for all this PTI politic nonsense to come to an end then I'm ready to go.

Have you even worked in Pakistan, nevermind tried running a business here? I had two from 2008 until 2023... good luck, you will need it. Quality employees, but the bureaucracy and corruption will kill you. I give you 12 months until you go skulking back to your shed in the UK.

 

[LordJames]

I'm seeing it as becoming more of a desirable option for some Pakistanis here in the UK. If you have money you can live a comfortable life, and get better health care than is available on the NHS. Suprisingly medical tourism is also increasing to Pakistan due to NHS waiting times.

Anyway, we have a lot of overseas Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Many of us moved over to make money, or are the children who moved over to make money.

Would you ever consider going "back home" for your retirement?

Here is a map that shows the cheapest places to retire in USD.

View attachment 160090

Pakistan and India are number 1 and 2.

A whole host of my elders have done it and are enjoying life. They can catch up with old friends and live comfortably with more friendship and company than they would have here.


Is it something you would consider? What would the reasons be behind the yes/no?

Upon retirement, it is likely that I will move out of the west and have two choices:

1. Malaysia
2. Turkiye

 

[sweep_shot]

Upon retirement, it is likely that I will move out of the west and have two choices:

1. Malaysia
2. Turkiye

Heard good things about Malaysia.

Turkey is good too but they have more domestic issues.

 

[CricVet]

Upon retirement, it is likely that I will move out of the west and have two choices:

1. Malaysia
2. Turkiye

I had Turkey down. However, pretty much all the Vlog available on youtube have it as a far more expensive destination vs it used to be. I don't know for a long term stay, but many have been visiting Azerbaijan lately.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL FIGHTS HERE... STAY ON TOPIC

 

[jaspa888]

I had Turkey down. However, pretty much all the Vlog available on youtube have it as a far more expensive destination vs it used to be. I don't know for a long term stay, but many have been visiting Azerbaijan lately.

Turkey has super high inflation so prices have quadrupled over rhe last 3 years. Not really sustainable as a retirement destination. They really do love Pakistanis there, though.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

Pakistan has a large population, growing demand, and many sectors that are still underdeveloped, which creates real room for growth. If you understand the market, manage things properly, and stay focused on long-term planning, it’s possible to build sustainable and profitable businesses. Like anywhere else, it has challenges, but the opportunities are very real for people who are willing to work smart and invest.

Yes bro, you seem to be willing to work hard and sound really smart and in touch with the pulse of Pakistan. Please go and invest all your money and avail of all the numerous opportunities available to conduct seamless business which all the other millions of idiots never ever even thought of. I am more than confident that you will pioneer in a new dawn which will make Pakistan the next business hub for all of Asia if not the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Turkey has super high inflation so prices have quadrupled over rhe last 3 years. Not really sustainable as a retirement destination. They really do love Pakistanis there, though.

I wonder how they would be in the more residential areas away from the tourist destinations though. You only really ever find out when you stay there long term. The Turks have always been welcoming in the past, but it seems they also have their limits and are making it more difficult to stay there long term these days unless you meet a strict criteria. Might be due to the large refugee influx from Syria and other war torn countries in the eastern hemisphere.

 

[emranabbas]

Yes bro, you seem to be willing to work hard and sound really smart and in touch with the pulse of Pakistan. Please go and invest all your money and avail of all the numerous opportunities available to conduct seamless business which all the other millions of idiots never ever even thought of. I am more than confident that you will pioneer in a new dawn which will make Pakistan the next business hub for all of Asia if not the world.

what you’re saying doesn’t carry any weight. You’re clearly bitter and acting emotionally because your leader is no longer in power. Your hate for Pakistan is obvious, so your opinion holds no more value than that of openly indian anti-Pakistan voices.

 

[emranabbas]

Have you even worked in Pakistan, nevermind tried running a business here? I had two from 2008 until 2023... good luck, you will need it. Quality employees, but the bureaucracy and corruption will kill you. I give you 12 months until you go skulking back to your shed in the UK.

If you don’t have the basic intelligence or ability to survive in Pakistan, that is not anyone else’s responsibility but your own.
Your inability to adapt, make the right decisions, or handle challenges is a reflection of your own limitations, not a failure of the country or its systems. It’s unfortunate that your business failed, but that comes down to your own poor judgment and incompetence, not everyone is as incapable as you.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

what you’re saying doesn’t carry any weight. You’re clearly bitter and acting emotionally because your leader is no longer in power. Your hate for Pakistan is obvious, so your opinion holds no more value than that of openly indian anti-Pakistan voices.

My leader? I don't have any, they're all liars and looters. Anyway the whole qaum is corrupt and no leader can do any thing, change has to happen from the ground level and that will not happen in a thousand years. It isn't hate, just the ground reality which you seem oblivious to, but good luck nonetheless, if you ever actually do go and start a business there then do let us know how you've managed to transform the whole country or perhaps you wouldn't have to, we will just read about it in the WSJ.

 

[emranabbas]

My leader? I don't have any, they're all liars and looters. Anyway the whole qaum is corrupt and no leader can do any thing, change has to happen from the ground level and that will not happen in a thousand years. It isn't hate, just the ground reality which you seem oblivious to, but good luck nonetheless, if you ever actually do go and start a business there then do let us know how you've managed to transform the whole country or perhaps you wouldn't have to, we will just read about it in the WSJ.

It’s blatantly obvious who you’ve come here to defend. I genuinely doubt you’ve ever even been to Pakistan. You sound exactly like one of those clowns who land there thinking they’re some big shot parading around with a fake Gucci side bag and sunglasses, acting superior only to get ripped off and laughed at by the locals.

Not everyone is Mirpuri living in villages. I’ve actually spent proper time in Pakistan, worked with people on the ground, and seen lifestyles that many of you UK taxi drivers wouldn’t even come close to in your lifetime. Pakistan isn’t the problem you are the problem because you want to paint pakistan in bad light because your murshad isnt the PM and just delusion thinking your murshad will turn pakistan in newyork over night.

 

[jaspa888]

I wonder how they would be in the more residential areas away from the tourist destinations though. You only really ever find out when you stay there long term. The Turks have always been welcoming in the past, but it seems they also have their limits and are making it more difficult to stay there long term these days unless you meet a strict criteria. Might be due to the large refugee influx from Syria and other war torn countries in the eastern hemisphere.

Some good points, but the high inflation has (ironically) been due to their failed attempt to keep inflation in check by lowering interest rates, but this actually then devalued the Turkish lira and eroded investor (and money markets) confidence. Since Turkey has a high balance of trade deficit, this has caused the rampant inflation we see. I'm betting Pakistan will follow the same path unless we start producing and exporting more, and import less.

 

[jaspa888]

If you don’t have the basic intelligence or ability to survive in Pakistan, that is not anyone else’s responsibility but your own.
Your inability to adapt, make the right decisions, or handle challenges is a reflection of your own limitations, not a failure of the country or its systems. It’s unfortunate that your business failed, but that comes down to your own poor judgment and incompetence, not everyone is as incapable as you.

Bhai, they were not failed businesses at all. Both very successful (one handed to my brother and still going strong, the other closed when I successfully sold my UK business). A few people on here know me personally, and they will testify to this.

But you carry on dreaming... hope you do all your dough when the very corruption you support comes back to erode your own business interests.

 

[emranabbas]

Bhai, they were not failed businesses at all. Both very successful (one handed to my brother and still going strong, the other closed when I successfully sold my UK business). A few people on here know me personally, and they will testify to this.

But you carry on dreaming... hope you do all your dough when the very corruption you support comes back to erode your own business interests.

So you set up a business during the Zardari/Sharif era and are boasting that it has been very successful and is still going strong, but then in the very next sentence you’re saying that a business under the same governments is going to erode because of corruption.


Please make it make sense.

I have a very strong feeling your a fake account of another person who likes to pick unnecessary fights over Imran khan.

 

[jaspa888]

No... I set up up a business during Musharraf era, and continued until 2023. So I have seen all regimes. This latest one is by far and away the worst for business. When you have achieved something in business and life, then feel free to comment and others may listen. Until then, it is just white noise.

And you are once again displaying your immaturity and stupidity, calling an account set up nearly 20 years ago 'fake'.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

It’s blatantly obvious who you’ve come here to defend. I genuinely doubt you’ve ever even been to Pakistan. You sound exactly like one of those clowns who land there thinking they’re some big shot parading around with a fake Gucci side bag and sunglasses, acting superior only to get ripped off and laughed at by the locals.

Not everyone is Mirpuri living in villages. I’ve actually spent proper time in Pakistan, worked with people on the ground, and seen lifestyles that many of you UK taxi drivers wouldn’t even come close to in your lifetime. Pakistan isn’t the problem you are the problem because you want to paint pakistan in bad light because your murshad isnt the PM and just delusion thinking your murshad will turn pakistan in newyork over night.

I don't have blind loyalty to political dynasties or any politician for that matter, I didn't even know why you were going on about defending some politician when my post didn't even allude to that at all but the common many system and culture that is corrupt from the ground up. I then read the rest of your posts and understood what you were talking about and where your loyalties lie.

As for how much time you or I have spent in Pakistan or when You/I was last there, whether I live in the UK etc is all unverifiable on here so no point going on about it.

So despite all your personal attacks I once again tell you good luck with your endeavour, it doesn't affect me one bit either way.

 

[emranabbas]

I don't have blind loyalty to political dynasties or any politician for that matter, I didn't even know why you were going on about defending some politician when my post didn't even allude to that at all but the common many system and culture that is corrupt from the ground up. I then read the rest of your posts and understood what you were talking about and where your loyalties lie.

As for how much time you or I have spent in Pakistan or when You/I was last there, whether I live in the UK etc is all unverifiable on here so no point going on about it.

So despite all your personal attacks I once again tell you good luck with your endeavour, it doesn't affect me one bit either way.

Maybe you’re having trouble understanding what I wrote. I don’t defend politicians I defend my country, Pakistan, through thick and thin. It doesn’t matter to me who the Prime Minister is, and I will never throw my country under the bus just because my preferred leader isn’t in power unlike you.

Yes, I agree the entire system, including the people, has corruption issues. But there’s a big difference between knowing Pakistan through headlines and actually living there. Real understanding comes from being on the ground, not from sitting in the UK and judging Pakistan from headlines, That kind of judgment simply isn’t justified.

this is my post you replied to

"Pakistan has a large population, growing demand, and many sectors that are still underdeveloped, which creates real room for growth. If you understand the market, manage things properly, and stay focused on long-term planning, it’s possible to build sustainable and profitable businesses. Like anywhere else, it has challenges, but the opportunities are very real for people who are willing to work smart and invest."

So now point out exactly where I’ve defended any politicians. I haven’t I’m defending my country, and I always will. Just admit it: you attacked me because of your political bias, and you can’t stand the fact that someone can praise Pakistan without caring whether your favourite leader imran khan is in power or not.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't have blind loyalty to political dynasties or any politician for that matter, I didn't even know why you were going on about defending some politician when my post didn't even allude to that at all but the common many system and culture that is corrupt from the ground up. I then read the rest of your posts and understood what you were talking about and where your loyalties lie.

As for how much time you or I have spent in Pakistan or when You/I was last there, whether I live in the UK etc is all unverifiable on here so no point going on about it.

So despite all your personal attacks I once again tell you good luck with your endeavour, it doesn't affect me one bit either way.

Many from around the world will not move to live under criminals who have eradicated any law or order .

The current illegitimate rulers and the generals are mere puppets of Arabs and Zionists . They’ve bent over and sold out Pakistan like never seen before .

Now you have this general temu selling weapons to Libya showing Pakistan will be used and abused to further the greater Israel project .

Moving to Pakistan means living under Pax Judaica now . You may as well go Tel Aviv

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe you’re having trouble understanding what I wrote. I don’t defend politicians I defend my country, Pakistan, through thick and thin. It doesn’t matter to me who the Prime Minister is, and I will never throw my country under the bus just because my preferred leader isn’t in power unlike you.

If you are going to claim to defend your country (which you don't reside in) then you should really stop making derogatory comments about Mirpuris and taxi drivers. Mirpur is part of Pakistan, and there are taxi drivers in every part of the country. They are a big part of every major country I know of.

 

[Obaidd]

I suggest Pakistan if you like to be bothered about things you take for granted in the West like safety of life and property.

For example, about a year ago, somebody stole the solar power meter from my house in Lahore. Left a note and a number. We called, followed the instructions and found the meter as directed a couple of blocks away buried in an empty plot. We weren’t alone who faced this situation as literally every house on the street who had the solar power meter installed, had it stolen the same night. Later found that it’s a gang that does that, in all likelihood in collaboration with utility company employees.