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Pakistan are leading by 170odd runs

lets see what they do and how fast they do it

expecting to see some fireworks today by inzi and razzaq and also malik

hope someone beats kallis fastest 50 test record(inzi i hope)
 
I suggest for the time being forget about declaration...forget about the RR and just keep batting!
 
gambino said:
Pakistan are leading by 170odd runs

lets see what they do and how fast they do it

expecting to see some fireworks today by inzi and razzaq and also malik

hope someone beats kallis fastest 50 test record(inzi i hope)
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no mention of MoYo ? :O

The morning session(if he's there for all of it) will be all about him and whether he can get to the magic total or not.
 
kablooee87 said:
no mention of MoYo ? :O

The morning session(if he's there for all of it) will be all about him and whether he can get to the magic total or not.
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buy or sell: Would Moyo score the remaining 48 runs? :13:
 
need to play with caution. cant loose early wicket. They have to have a minimum of 300 lead before doing anything crazy. after that they should open up. we will need more than a day to get WI out with our bowlers and the nature of the pitch.
 
if he doesnt i will kill myself
to get so close and lose it
shudder
 
PlanetPakistan said:
buy or sell: Would Moyo score the remaining 48 runs? :13:
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sell. no logical reasoning behind it. Just have a feeling. Hope I'm wrong though.

See, I actually answer the question when I respond to one. Unlike some people I know. :)
 
our 300 lead should come up by lunch easily

then pakistan will go all out and overall lead will be about 450-500 by teatime
 
kablooee87 said:
sell. no logical reasoning behind it. Just have a feeling. Hope I'm wrong though.

See, I actually answer the question when I respond to one. Unlike some people I know. :)
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smart people ask for the price before buying!
 
gambino said:
our 300 lead should come up by lunch easily

then pakistan will go all out and overall lead will be about 450-500 by teatime
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arent we a bit optimistic today ? :)
 
PlanetPakistan said:
smart people ask for the price before buying!
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even lots of dumb people realize the context in which the question is being asked.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
oh so you are not like that Indian girl who comitted suicide when Sachin got injured...
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are you serious that acctually happened
oh man some poeple have nothing else to live for
madness
 
Pakistan need to bat the whole first session and get a lead of around 300. Then we will have 4.5/5 sessions to bowl the Windies out. That is more than enough time.
 
kablooee87 said:
even lots of dumb people realize the context in which the question is being asked.
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oh so that's why you answered my question about yousuf...
 
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Sabika said:
are you serious that acctually happened
oh man some poeple have nothing else to live for
madness
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yep i am serious...happened during 1999...remember the Chennai test when he was having back problem...well it was a few months after that!
 
Easa said:
Pakistan need to bat the whole first session and get a lead of around 300. Then we will have 4.5/5 sessions to bowl the Windies out. That is more than enough time.
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you are not saying that we should declare with only 300 ahead? are you? :13:
 
We need a big lead, and with wickets in had, everyone from now on has to go 75SR +
 
Easa said:
Pakistan need to bat the whole first session and get a lead of around 300. Then we will have 4.5/5 sessions to bowl the Windies out. That is more than enough time.
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the rule of thumb I usually think of during declaration is that the time left in the test should not allow the team to make the total required (considering 100 runs per session). Therefor the other team can only play for a draw and that mindset gives us a better chance.

That means we should probably bat a few over into the tea session. That would give us a lead of around 400 with less than 4 sessions to play.
 
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Good point. Maybe we should bat until tea, get a lead of 400, then stick the Windies in with Gul in great form!
 
kablooee87 said:
the rule of thumb I usually think of during declaration is that the time left in the test should not allow the team to make the total required (considering 100 runs per session). Therefor the other team can only play for a draw and that mindset gives us a better chance.

That means we should probably bat a few over into the tea session. That would give us a lead of around 400 with less than 4 sessions to play.
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Does it really?

If they are going for the total, more risks will be taken, and therefore greater opportunities provided for taking wickets.
 
Easa said:
Good point. Maybe we should bat until tea, get a lead of 400, then stick the Windies in with Gul in great form!
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so that means 220 in 60 overs...comes out to about 3.66 runs/ over......possible but willl be hard!
 
UJ said:
Does it really?

If they are going for the total, more risks will be taken, and therefore greater opportunities provided for taking wickets.
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that's exactly what I implied...
 
Question: Do you guys think it makes a difference, generally speaking, if a declaration happens in the middle of play (rather than corresponding with a lunch or tea break)? I always figure it's better to declare in the middle of play because that means the opening batsman won't really be settled when the come to the crease as they have been in a rush to get out to the middle.
 
kablooee87 said:
Question: Do you guys think it makes a difference, generally speaking, if a declaration happens in the middle of play (rather than corresponding with a lunch or tea break)? I always figure it's better to declare in the middle of play because that means the opening batsman won't really be settled when the come to the crease as they have been in a rush to get out to the middle.
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yes that's what most caps do....the only problem is that you lose 2 overs.
 
kablooee87 said:
Question: Do you guys think it makes a difference, generally speaking, if a declaration happens in the middle of play (rather than corresponding with a lunch or tea break)? I always figure it's better to declare in the middle of play because that means the opening batsman won't really be settled when the come to the crease as they have been in a rush to get out to the middle.
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The best time to make a declaration is with 20 minutes left in the session for the openers to negotiate. You can set attacking fields, and its a 'nothing' period of the openers to get through. Also, after the break the openers have to start all over again, and the ball is still new so you can have another dig at them. Every opening batsmen hates those short tricky intervals.
 
UJ said:
The best time to make a declaration is with 20 minutes left in the session for the openers to negotiate. You can set attacking fields, and its a 'nothing' period of the openers to get through. Also, after the break the openers have to start all over again, and the ball is still new so you can have another dig at them. Every opening batsmen hates those short tricky intervals.
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ok then let me ask you this. If Pakistan go into lunch in a strong position and a declaration is likely, would you bat agressively in the post lunch session so you could put Windies in 20 minutes before tea? or would you rather put Windies in some time in the post tea session?
 
Even a 10 minute session can be quite hard for the batsmen....rememeber what Shoaib did to Tres in that nasty little session at Faisalabad and Lahore
 
1st session 30-35 overs= 120 runs-lead will be 290
2nd session 30-35 overs= if attack mode then around 200-250 runs

= end result a leadof around 450-500 easily

yousof and hafeez should play as carefully as possible till lunch,

then new ball will be taken after lunch cos its due in another 28 overs and lara will surely wait till lunch befre taking it

man i cant wait
 
kablooee87 said:
ok then let me ask you this. If Pakistan go into lunch in a strong position and a declaration is likely, would you bat agressively in the post lunch session so you could put Windies in 20 minutes before tea? or would you rather put Windies in some time in the post tea session?
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Well honestly, I cant see WI chasing anymore than 250 on this pitch, but you have to compensate for the Lara factor. I would go out after lunch and look to play aggressively and declare maybe 30 mins before tea. In times likes this an Afridi comes in handy, hopefully Malik and Akmal can do the job.
 
gambino said:
mate why do you have kapil dev in your avatar?

you sure you arent planet india?
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:)) ....No
2 reasons
a) I want to show support towards the Indians...i feel it's a crying shame that we have been fighting with them for 60 years.
b) I admire paa jee and he is one of my heros.
 
gambino said:
mate why do you have kapil dev in your avatar?

you sure you arent planet india?
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He is doing his bit for Pak-India relationships to improve.
 
I have very balanced views....in fact most people here on PP agree with my suggestions! If you want weird views then you should meet one of my friends who think Azhar Mahmood is a better batsman than Inzi!
 
folks let's hope M Yousuf breaks the record and PAK win the test match because i have an idea how PP can celebrate this occasion
 
PlanetPakistan said:
folks let's hope M Yousuf breaks the record and PAK win the test match because i have an idea how PP can celebrate this occasion
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would you like to share it with us?
 
gambino said:
would you like to share it with us?
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alright....

I would make a thread and request all the PPers to have M Yousuf's avatar for 2 days(since it might take some people 1 day to read the thread).....so about 48 hours after the thread opening post of the thread we'll have 90% of the PP with M Yousuf's avatar....that'll be kind of like our tribute to the great man for my accomplishment!
 
it's not likely inzi will declare before tea
if we're lucky, we'll get a handful of overs from gul and nazir

gayle and lara will trouble his mind, even on this type of pitch
 
Let's see what kind of an approach we take, particulary Hafeez's.
 
15 minutes to start ,today is the day pakistan tighten their grip and put WI to fight for the matc, Hoping Inzi will be a sporting captain and knows that pakistan is in a position to win this .
Total lead of 350-400 arround tea or may be a little after ,will be a good time to declare the inning.
But for now I am like many just looking forward to see MOYO break the record and go on to score another ton ,and set arround 1800 runs in a year ,for someone in the future to chase.
Inshallah He will ,may allah give him the courage to acheive this HONOR.
 
yousuf should go for it while corey aint bowling

will be really hard once corey comes
 
The way this commentary thread is going is making me more nervous!!
 
It would almost be cruel if Yousuf didn't break the record with his performances over the last year - to come this close and fail..

Oh well, so far so good
 
hope he plays like he plays when he is in his nervous 90s and not like the way he plays when he is in his nervous 190s
 
best case scenario: MoYo gets to 49, then settles down and bats till declaration to finish the year with an absolutely mammoth average.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
alright....

I would make a thread and request all the PPers to have M Yousuf's avatar for 2 days(since it might take some people 1 day to read the thread).....so about 48 hours after the thread opening post of the thread we'll have 90% of the PP with M Yousuf's avatar....that'll be kind of like our tribute to the great man for my accomplishment!
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SOunds like a good idea but 2 days is too short of a timeframe. ANd also we should have the same picture of Yousuf, it'll look better.
 
UJ said:
SOunds like a good idea but 2 days is too short of a timeframe. ANd also we should have the same picture of Yousuf, it'll look better.
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then what do you suggest? a week? ok we'll talk about that once he gets there :19:
 
it would be the saddest thing in the world if moyo gets run out !!
 
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