Pakistan A v Australians | Tour Match | 18/10/2014 | Sharjah l Day 4

[trogger]

Updating my earlier comments:

Rogers 0 (1), 3 (5)
Clarke 10 (31), 5 (5)
Doolan 104* (194)
Marsh 0 (3), 35 (54)

Maxwell and Faulkner are out of Test selection anyway, but consider:

Hughes 14 (43), 65 (107).

I say consider Hughes because there is still an element of doubt around Michael Clarke's ability to last five days, and so Hughes has a chance of playing.

For my part, I don't care who wins, but I'd like to see Australia try to use the day to get on top of the Pakistani bowlers by batting Steve Smith at number 9 and Alex Doolan at number 10. It would make it interesting.

I would take a 75% fit clarke over a fully fit hughes on a turner.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

how about ehsan adil?... can he swing the new ball... ppl hype him a lot here but havent seen him bowl... and also in this match he is not bowling with the new ball.. because just to say ppl hype their batsmen and bowlers here a lot but when they come to int'l arena they seems to go out of plot, which shows their domestic setup is very poor... i saw a lot of ppl here hyped karamat ali as if he is the new shane warne but in reality he is being spanked in this warm up game...,

yes he is very young and he has lot of time to learn and he is not ready for int'l cricket yet.. i think same goes with ehsan adil...

 

[carbon11]

for me in test matches i would go with 2 spinners and 2 pacers

rahat ali

then the next pacer would wither be muhammad talha or imran khan

for spinners i would go with the leggie yasir shah,
and then it would either be raza hasan or the experience zulfiqar , i'm inclined to go with zulfiqar

zulfiqar and yasir aussie batsmen won't know much about them and could be suprise weapons both are solid domestic performers and experienced and deserve a chance.

raza and karamat are still young and raza imo should be shoe in pakistan odi and t20 teams and pakistan should concentrate on him instead of the chucker and controversy laden ajmal.


shahzad
babar azam
hafeez
younis
misbah
shafiq
sarfraz
yasir shah
imran khan or muhammad talha?
zulfiqar babar
rahat ali

imo that would be ideal team against aussies with resources at our disposal atm, bonus is we will also 2 part time spinners in hafeez and babar who are no mugs with ball as well and if turners are prepared with 2 proper spinners could cause problem for australia batsmen.

 

[Ahson8]

Haddin, Smith and Doolan not going to bat?

Doesn't look like it lol.
I hope Adil gets to bowl a bit. Rahat & Adil are the best two pacers in the squad, but they'll probably select Talah over Adil

 

[Junaids]

Hughes has no chance of playing. Clarke's backup is Maxwell.

I respectfully disagree. I think that Marsh, Faulkner and Maxwell are competing for a single position as an all-rounder and that Marsh is winning that race because the selectors want two spinners and three quicks rather than three spinners and two quicks.

Maxwell didn't bat in the first dig, while even Siddle and O'Keefe did. That tells me that he isn't going to play under any circumstances.

Maxwell is 26 and has 4 First Class centuries.
Hughes is two months younger and has 26 First Class centuries.

I can only see Hughes replacing Pup if injury forces a change, but definitely not Maxwell.

(Personally I'd have a totally different attack in the subcontinent of:

Johnson
Hilfenhaus
O'Keefe
Maxwell
Lyon

But that ain't going to happen.)

 

[Junaids]

My team would be:

1. A Shehzad
2. M Hafeez (capt)
3. A Ali
4. Y Khan
5. B Azam
6. A Shafiq
7. S Malik
8 S Ahmed
9. E Adil
10. Y Shah
11. M Irfan (limited to 3 over spells just like M Johnson)

My team bats deep.
10

 

[Convict]

I respectfully disagree. I think that Marsh, Faulkner and Maxwell are competing for a single position as an all-rounder and that Marsh is winning that race because the selectors want two spinners and three quicks rather than three spinners and two quicks.

Maxwell didn't bat in the first dig, while even Siddle and O'Keefe did. That tells me that he isn't going to play under any circumstances.

Maxwell is 26 and has 4 First Class centuries.
Hughes is two months younger and has 26 First Class centuries.

I can only see Hughes replacing Pup if injury forces a change, but definitely not Maxwell.

(Personally I'd have a totally different attack in the subcontinent of:

Johnson
Hilfenhaus
O'Keefe
Maxwell
Lyon

But that ain't going to happen.)

Nah.

Faulkner's last minute inclusion in the squad was because of concerns over Marsh. That means that Faulkner is back up for Marsh as the pace bowling allrounder. Maxwell obvious does not contend for that spot.

Maxwell has no obvious position then if there is no allrounder spot because he can't bat in the top order and he can't play as a bowler. Logically he was selected as back up for Clarke. There is real dearth of good middle order batsman in Australia at the moment.

Hughes will only ever open or at a stretch bat at 3 again. He's in the squad because of the lack of fit options and not because they really want to play him.

 

[khalil1986]

7 down

 

[Arsal_AK]

My team would be:

1. A Shehzad
2. M Hafeez (capt)
3. A Ali
4. Y Khan
5. B Azam
6. A Shafiq
7. S Malik
8 S Ahmed
9. E Adil
10. Y Shah
11. M Irfan (limited to 3 over spells just like M Johnson)

My team bats deep.
10

What's up with your fascination with Malik??

Irfan is not a tests match bowler, period. Plus these two are not even in the squad so why mention them in the first place??

Hafeez as an opener is disastrous and Azhar at three makes the lineup even more worse.The guy is the worst no.3 I have seen in a while.Has done nothing since 2012 apart from the Sharjah ton.

Misbah is going to play, he is the captain and Azam is not going to make his debut so soon, rightfully so.

Basically a team that is all over the place and quite possibly the worst that one can come up with.A far better team would be:

Shehzad.
Azhar.
Asad.
Younus.
Haris.
Misbah.
Sarfraz.
Hafeez.
Yasir.
Adil.
Babar.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good bowling effort from pakistan "A" in 2nd inns here

 

[carbon11]

What's up with your fascination with Malik??

Irfan is not a tests match bowler, period. Plus these two are not even in the squad so why mention them in the first place??

Hafeez as an opener is disastrous and Azhar at three makes the lineup even more worse.The guy is the worst no.3 I have seen in a while.Has done nothing since 2012 apart from the Sharjah ton.

Misbah is going to play, he is the captain and Azam is not going to make his debut so soon, rightfully so.

Basically a team that is all over the place and quite possibly the worst that one can come up with.A far better team would be:

Shehzad.
Azhar.
Asad.
Younus.
Haris.
Misbah.
Sarfraz.
Hafeez.
Yasir.
Adil.
Babar.

u have gone with 1 pacer for test match and that 2 a 70mph club type trundler who has not even been the pick of the bowlers likes of imran khan and rahat ali have been the pick out pacers and even talha and attaullah are better than adil and have been bowling at a decent pace in this A GAME.

 

[JibranAnsari]

What's up with your fascination with Malik??

Irfan is not a tests match bowler, period. Plus these two are not even in the squad so why mention them in the first place??

Hafeez as an opener is disastrous and Azhar at three makes the lineup even more worse.The guy is the worst no.3 I have seen in a while.Has done nothing since 2012 apart from the Sharjah ton.

Misbah is going to play, he is the captain and Azam is not going to make his debut so soon, rightfully so.

Basically a team that is all over the place and quite possibly the worst that one can come up with.A far better team would be:

Shehzad.
Azhar.
Asad.
Younus.
Haris.
Misbah.
Sarfraz.
Hafeez.
Yasir.
Adil.
Babar.

3 bowlers. 1 part timer. And only 1 quick?

 

[JibranAnsari]

8 down

 

[MRSN]

Talha gets O'Keefe..

 

[Convict]

Hilfenhaus?

Why don't we just declare behind then?

 

[Arsal_AK]

3 bowlers. 1 part timer. And only 1 quick?

Yup, provided the pitches are turners.

Do you see the likes of Rahat and Talha doing anything in the tests?? One puts Sami and Wahab to shame with his control and the other was bowling at 125 kph in the recent Lanka series.I don't see the Aussies being too bothered about them.It will be a miracle if both of them can get more the 5 wickets combined in the series.

Adil is good with the new ball,okay with the old one and has great control.At-least he won't give three fours in a over if things are not going our way.

As for Hafeez, he is very underrated as a bowler.Took four wickets in SA and was extremely good in the Eng series as well.Its a shame that he wasn't used more often or we could have won the second test in SA.Still remember he was getting it to turn miles when he was given the ball but it was too late then.

He will cause a lot of trouble especially to the lefties. And lets face it, if Hafeez,Rahat and Talha were to bowl together in these conditions,most will put their bets on Hafeez to comfortably out-bowl both of them.

 

[Firebreaker]

I don't want Rahat and Talha in the team with these Aus will score Atleast 500

 

[Firebreaker]

Yup, provided the pitches are turners.

Do you see the likes of Rahat and Talha doing anything in the tests?? One puts Sami and Wahab to shame with his control and the other was bowling at 125 kph in the recent Lanka series.I don't see the Aussies being too bothered about them.It will be a miracle if both of them can get more the 5 wickets combined in the series.

Adil is good with the new ball,okay with the old one and has great control.At-least he won't give three fours in a over if things are not going our way.

As for Hafeez, he is very underrated as a bowler.Took four wickets in SA and was extremely good in the Eng series as well.He will cause a lot of trouble especially to the lefties. And lets face it, if Hafeez,Rhat and Talha were to bowl together in these conditions,most will put their bets on Hafeez to comfortably out-bowl both of them.

Hafeez action is a suspect so it will be dangerous to give him bowl in the tests

 

[Ahson8]

Talha will probably play the 1st test now. Just hope he can take wickets then..

 

[Arsal_AK]

Hafeez action is a suspect so it will be dangerous to give him bowl in the tests

So what??

He will bowl in ODI's right, so he can get a call even then.

I don't think its anything to worry about.He seems well within the limit.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Talha will probably play the 1st test now. Just hope he can take wickets then otherwise :******:

Forget about it. He is bowling at 125 kph these days.

 

[carbon11]

I don't want Rahat and Talha in the team with these Aus will score Atleast 500

rahat and talha have been bowling very well in this A game

yet according to u we should try a 70 mph trundler like ehsan adil who has hardly bowled in this game for good reason because his bowling is toothless and lacks any venom against seasoned pros or test level.

 

[carbon11]

raza hasan making a case for selection

 

[Ahson8]

3 wkts for Raza now. I'd keep him in the squad, maybe of the pitch is a rank-turner and we can play a single pacer and 3 spinners in Yasir, Zulfiqar, Raza. Hafeez can bowl as well

 

[Ahson8]

Bhai, Adil say bhi bowling kara lay.

 

[khalil1986]

9 down now, 3 wickets for Raza so good little confidence builder.

 

[khalil1986]

Play one of the leggies and Zulfiqar don't think Raza will be required if Hafeez can bowl too.

 

[carbon11]

talha cleans up

 

[crick23]

All out Pakistan A wins by 153 runs!

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Pakistan A beat Australia....in one match

Pakistan struggle to beat Australia in 4 matches...

 

[Firebreaker]

No Raza Hasan got smacked by Doolan and Haddin.So no need for him.I think we should select Yasir Shah.Talha will be selected on the basis of taking wickets of Tailenders

 

[Arsal_AK]

rahat and talha have been bowling very well in this A game

yet according to u we should try a 70 mph trundler like ehsan adil who has hardly bowled in this game for good reason because his bowling is toothless and lacks any venom against seasoned pros or test level.

Ehsan bowls at 135 and plus, which is decent enough for test matches. Is tall so gets good bounce swing the new ball and is not a scatter gun.

Meanwhile Talha was clocking a legendary 125 kph the last series he played and the less said about Rahat the better.Its a miracle if he manages to bowl three decent deliveries on the trot.

People are getting carried away by this game.Its just a glorified practice session.No Smith,no Warner, Clarke batting out of position.Dolaan hasn't played this innings too. Come the first test and things are going to be very hard.

 

[Pak_Jazba]

Good to see the Pakistani youngies thrashing a full-strength Aussie side.

I've always said the talent is there, we just need to bring the right players in and groom them.

 

[Firebreaker]

Why did Adil bowl only 11 overs in whole match?
Talha should not be selected he took the wickets of Tail Enders

 

[hussain.r97]

Congratulations, Pakistan A win!

I'm really interested on what Shafiq's captaincy was like for this game.

 

[carbon11]

for me talha and rahat should be played

then its up to the management if they want third pacer or go with 2 spinners

if third pacer then go with imran khan


if one spinner then for me its yasir shah

2 spinners then yasir shah, and then its between zulfiqar and raza hasan.

eventhough raza has done well, i'm inclined with zulfiqar to play the first test. and see how things go.

 

[IAJ]

Both teams should be happy with the work out here and have probably got some answers.

Regarding Aus, an aussie poster can comment on that.

But when it comes to Pakistan, Shafiq and Shehzad both had a good outings. These two are certain starters. The other opening post is still a mystery for me.
Excellent knocks from Babar and Haris as well, hopefully Haris will be retained.

The bowlers, looking at the scorecard I have been impressed by Imran Khan's economy. The other quickies have also got wickets. Spinners have done well too.

 

[Ahson8]

Good stuff Pak A.
Talah & Rahat confirmed for 1st test now, hope they do good. Yasir & Zulfiqar will have to do most of the wicket-taking. Hope Haris gets a game.

 

[IAJ]

Congrats to Paksitan A!
Anyways, this was only a tour match and pakistani posters start often hyping the team after such wins. We should just focus on the real matches and win the Test series.

 

[carbon11]

Why did Adil bowl only 11 overs in whole match?
Talha should not be selected he took the wickets of Tail Enders

because adil is toothless bowler so why would shafiq continue with him.

and as for talha he bowled well with the new ball got rodgers out in 1st innings and got maxwell out in the 2nd innings , these type of pitches never suit the quicks and sharjah is generally a flat graveyard for quicks.

 

[Firebreaker]

because adil is toothless bowler so why would shafiq continue with him.

and as for talha he bowled well with the new ball got rodgers out in 1st innings and got maxwell out in the 2nd innings , these type of pitches never suit the quicks and sharjah is generally a flat graveyard for quicks.

And what about phainta he received from Hughes?

 

[m.shah]

Victory completed

 

[Random Aussie]

Both teams should be happy with the work out here and have probably got some answers.

Regarding Aus, an aussie poster can comment on that.

But when it comes to Pakistan, Shafiq and Shehzad both had a good outings. These two are certain starters. The other opening post is still a mystery for me.
Excellent knocks from Babar and Haris as well, hopefully Haris will be retained.

The bowlers, looking at the scorecard I have been impressed by Imran Khan's economy. The other quickies have also got wickets. Spinners have done well too.

Not much to take away for us, other than we got four days to get used to alien conditions. Warm up game or no I expected to win or draw against an A side.

 

[hussain.r97]

I guess this means Rahat and Talha are our fast bowling pair
Would have liked have Ehsan and Rahat...

 

[carbon11]

Ehsan bowls at 135 and plus, which is decent enough for test matches. Is tall so gets good bounce swing the new ball and is not a scatter gun.

Meanwhile Talha was clocking a legendary 125 kph the last series he played and the less said about Rahat the better.Its a miracle if he manages to bowl three decent deliveries on the trot.

People are getting carried away by this game.Its just a glorified practice session.No Smith,no Warner, Clarke batting out of position.Dolaan hasn't played this innings too. Come the first test and things are going to be very hard.

ehsan adil is a 70 mph trundler, he is club level bowler his bowling is not suited to test level.

talha is known for his decent pace, yes he had bad game in galle where ALL PAKISTAN BOWLERS including superstar ajmal was being hammered, but he was standout pacer in pakistan victory over sri lanka in sharjah in particular the 2nd innings.

so since his debut test in 2009 he has only played 2 tests so how can u discard a bowler over one game

 

[JibranAnsari]

Yup, provided the pitches are turners.

Do you see the likes of Rahat and Talha doing anything in the tests?? One puts Sami and Wahab to shame with his control and the other was bowling at 125 kph in the recent Lanka series.I don't see the Aussies being too bothered about them.It will be a miracle if both of them can get more the 5 wickets combined in the series.

Adil is good with the new ball,okay with the old one and has great control.At-least he won't give three fours in a over if things are not going our way.

As for Hafeez, he is very underrated as a bowler.Took four wickets in SA and was extremely good in the Eng series as well.Its a shame that he wasn't used more often or we could have won the second test in SA.Still remember he was getting it to turn miles when he was given the ball but it was too late then.

He will cause a lot of trouble especially to the lefties. And lets face it, if Hafeez,Rahat and Talha were to bowl together in these conditions,most will put their bets on Hafeez to comfortably out-bowl both of them.

Yasir is playing his first match and is untested , we dont know how many four balls he will give. Hafeez isnt an attacking option in test matches to play him in place of a specialist bowler. What if only one quick breaks down in the first innings..? Will be one hell of a boring test match.

 

[carbon11]

And what about phainta he received from Hughes?

so one loose opening over becomes a phainta get a life mate

ehsan adil is a trundler and not even remotely test level, everyone knows this and so do the pakistani captains whethers its misbah in south africa or shafiq in uae.

its like england asking david masters or peter trego to open the bowling a test game yes seasoned fc cricketers but not remotely test level.

even jade dernbach has decent pace and variations but england would never dream of putting him in the test team.

 

[asyed]

Wow Rahat looks good. Specially the 2nd one

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/latest

 

[Firebreaker]

ehsan adil is a 70 mph trundler, he is club level bowler his bowling is not suited to test level.

talha is known for his decent pace, yes he had bad game in galle where ALL PAKISTAN BOWLERS including superstar ajmal was being hammered, but he was standout pacer in pakistan victory over sri lanka in sharjah in particular the 2nd innings.

so since his debut test in 2009 he has only played 2 tests so how can u discard a bowler over one game

What about his fantastic Asia Up campaign in which he got phainta from Bangali batters

 

[Firebreaker]

so one loose opening over becomes a phainta get a life mate

ehsan adil is a trundler and not even remotely test level, everyone knows this and so do the pakistani captains whethers its misbah in south africa or shafiq in uae.

its like england asking david masters or peter trego to open the bowling a test game yes seasoned fc cricketers but not remotely test level.

even jade dernbach has decent pace and variations but england would never dream of putting him in the test team.

Ehsan Adil took wicket of Smith and Faf in his first match whereas Talha can't even take wickets against Bangladesh

 

[Aman]

Hilfenhaus?

Why don't we just declare behind then?

Stupidity.

You've given the Pakistani's some confidence now.

 

[Convict]

Stupidity.

You've given the Pakistani's some confidence now.

I suspect there was a gentlemans agreement not to stack the batting lineups.

 

[Firebreaker]

Stupidity.

You've given the Pakistani's some confidence now.

It is in the favour of Australia.Now Pakistanis will get over confident which will lead to another poor performance from Pak

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Can't look much into this warm up A game. Everybody was experimenting including us. The good thing is that this victory would now put pressure on the senior team to produce results by any means necessary. If they fail to do so then PCB would have an easy alternative to just play this same A team as the senior one, dropping current seniors, i.e. Misbah, YK, Hafeez etc. Once this is done I hope we can get the same to happen for ODIs and T20s as well.

 

[Effy]

this is a slap on the PCB selectors, see how much talent we have have and they keep on saying there is no one to replace Misbah Yunis, Hafeez, Afridi. Dont you see the talent in Harris Sohail, Babar Azam, Sami Aslam, Hammad Azam, Kamran Ghulam. Give them a chance and you will see the change. And with a negative captain like Misbah the team becomes a team of kittens, we need some one aggressive

 

[Aman]

I suspect there was a gentlemans agreement not to stack the batting lineups.

Makes sense, but why send in Faulkner at 6 if he's not going to play? Wouldn't it have been better if Smith or Doolan batted instead?

 

[Convict]

Our starting XI was already going to be

1. Rogers - Pretty disappointing in both innings with a golden duck and getting run out for 3. Not enough to tell what kind of form he is in. Did have a good county season and has been good since his inclusion in the test team. Due to county cricket he isn't starved for long form cricket like the rest of the team so I'm not too concerned.

2. Warner - didn't play. Made four starts in the T20I and the ODIs so appears to have grasped the conditions.

3. Doolan - The least secure player in the team. Hit a good century and retired out. Happy with that.

4. Clarke* - disappointing in both innings and looked like he hadn't adapted to the bounce. Concerning but he is a world class player.

5. Smith - in great form in the ODIs and played well until he retired at 58. Should have a big series.

6. Marsh - bowled and batted enough to prove he was fit. Would have preferred he build on his start in the second innings

7. Haddin - batted okay in the first innings and wasn't dismissed. Nothing to say about his match really.

8. Johnson - bowled only a few overs and did allright. Bowled within himself and was used very sparingly. No concerns

9. O'Keefe - Bowled well in the first innings. Should play and he'll do well on the actual test wickets.

10. Siddle - Bowled enough to get used to conditions. I don't think he should be playing anymore but he's in the team and will be able to bowl all day if needed.

11. Lyon - bowled okay but he always plays trash in these sort of games. Looked good in the ODI series and could have a big series.

 

[Convict]

Makes sense, but why send in Faulkner at 6 if he's not going to play? Wouldn't it have been better if Smith or Doolan batted instead?

Smith and Doolan have already adapted so why not?

Faulkner could play if Marsh re injures himself of what not.

 

[Effy]

Drop the old guns and give theses youngsters a chance and Pak cricket will revive again.

 

[Aman]

Smith and Doolan have already adapted so why not?

Faulkner could play if Marsh re injures himself of what not.

Didn't he bowl himself out of contention?

 

[Effy]

remove these 30 years and 40 years old veteran players. They can play veteran cricket not this type of cricket. Give chance to teenagers and talented players. look at Babar Azam and Raza Hassan, how they are performing. Also Harris Sohail and Sami Aslam. Show the door to Old Misbah he has a negative effect on the team and the team starts losing. Also get rid of Yunis, Afridi, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malikand Sohail Tanvir forever. Selectors....are you listening ???

 

[Convict]

Didn't he bowl himself out of contention?

If Marsh gets injured again there isn't a choice.

He was already behind the queue

For allrounders it's Watson>Marsh>Faulkner>Henriques

 

[Effy]

remove these 30 years and 40 years old veteran players. They can play veteran cricket not this type of cricket. Give chance to teenagers and talented players. look at Babar Azam and Raza Hassan, how they are performing. Also Harris Sohail and Sami Aslam. Show the door to Old Misbah he has a negative effect on the team and the team starts losing. Also get rid of Yunis, Afridi, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malikand Sohail Tanvir forever. Selectors....are you listening ???

 

[Asif321]

this win doesnt mean Australia are poor wait and watch them in first test every touring team takes these games lightly .