Pakistan added in UK's list of 21 high-risk countries over money-laundering, terror financing

[Lego20]

https://www.geo.tv/amp/344769-pakis...ng-terror-financing?__twitter_impression=true

Pakistan shares the list at number 15 with conflict-ridden countries such as Syria, Uganda, Yemen and Zimbabwe.

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LONDON: The UK government has added Pakistan to the list of 21 high-risk countries with unsatisfactory money laundering and terror financing controls.

This list of 21 countries — released by the UK Government — replicates those countries listed by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) as high risk or under increased monitoring.

Pakistan shares the list at number 15 with conflict-ridden countries such as Syria, Uganda, Yemen and Zimbabwe.

The full list of high-risk third countries under Schedule 3ZA includes, in order: Albania, Barbados, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Cayman Islands, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Ghana, Iran, Jamaica, Mauritius, Morocco, Myanmar, Nicaragua,Pakistan, Panama, Senegal, Syria, Uganda, Yemen and Zimbabwe.

According to the UK government, the nations in this category pose a threat because of weak tax controls and lack of check and balance on terrorism financing and money laundering.

The UK government’s “Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing (Amendment) (High-Risk Countries) Regulations 2021” has come into force from 26 March 2021 after the definition of a high-risk third country identified in a new Schedule 3ZA.

The list has been released as part of post-Brexit developments. 
Until the end of the Brexit transition period, the list of high-risk countries was determined by the European Union (EU) under the 4th Anti-Money Laundering Directive. The UK now has its own standalone list, with Pakistan featuring in it. 


The new UK government legislation identifies a “high-risk third country” as a country which is specified in Schedule 3ZA and “a country which has been identified by the European Commission as a high-risk third country in delegated acts adopted under Article 9.2 of the fourth money laundering directive”.

The UK government said that the new UK list of high-risk third countries has been issued for the purposes of enhanced customer due diligence requirements.

In December 2020, a British government report revealed that dirty money continues to flow unhindered from Pakistan into the UK and vice versa.

The “National risk assessment of money laundering and terrorist financing 2020” report said “corrupt foreign elites continue to be attracted to the UK property market, especially in London, to disguise their corruption proceeds”.

The report, put together by the Treasury and Home Office, had named Pakistan, China, Hong Kong, Russia and United Arab Emirates (UAE) as the hotspot countries from where the most flow of money takes place.

About Pakistan, the report said the UK continues to have close economic links to Pakistan, including significant remittance flows between both jurisdictions, which according to estimates equated to approximately $1.7 billion in 2017.

The report notes that these economic and cultural ties “also enable and disguise illicit funds to be transferred between the UK and Pakistan, including through illegal informal value transfers”.

The report said: “Criminals continue to purchase high value assets, such as real estate, precious gems and jewelry to launder illicit funds which are transferred from Pakistan to the UK and vice versa.

"This includes proceeds from corruption and drug trafficking. The risk from cash-based money laundering from the UK to Pakistan via smuggled cash and Money Service Business (MSBs) also persists.”

The report had said that in 2018, Pakistan was nominated to the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) list of jurisdictions with strategic anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing (AML/CTF) deficiencies, known as the ‘grey list’, due to widespread CTF deficiencies.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

There is a certain agenda that these western countries follow. Therefore you trying to stir it up here, doesn’t deserve much attention.

 

[Itachi]

There is a certain agenda that these western countries follow. Therefore you trying to stir it up here, doesn’t deserve much attention.

What agenda?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

What agenda?

Yahoodi Hindu agenda.. Due to which no large American IT corporation wants to set up offices in Pakistan and do software development..
Also, Britain wants to tighten the American noose around Pakistan to get its way.

 

[FreakCricket]

Uk doesn't have Russia on that list tells something this list is phony and political.

 

[topspin]

Uk doesn't have Russia on that list tells something this list is phony and political.

The Russians that get involved in money laundering do it outside Russia.

 

[topspin]

There is no agenda against Pakistan so cut out the victim mentality. Pakistan hid OBL for a number of years and have funded terrorist groups.

The UK's decision to add Pakistan to the list is warranted.

 

[ahmedzee]

Hilarious joke from UK indeed. UK forgot to put UK in the list. Well, they check both the boxes, money laundering and terror financing. What do you think the likes of Altaf hussain (a uk citizen) do in Pakistan?
Also laundered money in billions in kept in UK banks from the likes of Nawaz, his sons (british citizen again), and so many others who originally are from the list of banned countries above.

Also need I say that the terror financing box is checked of countries who send the likes of Kulbushan Yadav to Pakistan to for terrorism (in Balochistan, Peshawar APS, etc.) and to spread misinformation (refer to Euro disinfo lab).

 

[Itachi]

Hilarious joke from UK indeed. UK forgot to put UK in the list. Well, they check both the boxes, money laundering and terror financing. What do you think the likes of Altaf hussain (a uk citizen) do in Pakistan?
Also laundered money in billions in kept in UK banks from the likes of Nawaz, his sons (british citizen again), and so many others who originally are from the list of banned countries above.

Also need I say that the terror financing box is checked of countries who send the likes of Kulbushan Yadav to Pakistan to for terrorism (in Balochistan, Peshawar APS, etc.) and to spread misinformation (refer to Euro disinfo lab).

well, UK doesn't co-align with your perspective nor does the majority of nations.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

Hilarious joke from UK indeed. UK forgot to put UK in the list. Well, they check both the boxes, money laundering and terror financing. What do you think the likes of Altaf hussain (a uk citizen) do in Pakistan?
Also laundered money in billions in kept in UK banks from the likes of Nawaz, his sons (british citizen again), and so many others who originally are from the list of banned countries above.

Also need I say that the terror financing box is checked of countries who send the likes of Kulbushan Yadav to Pakistan to for terrorism (in Balochistan, Peshawar APS, etc.) and to spread misinformation (refer to Euro disinfo lab).

Pakistan can create a similar list and add UK and India to nations providing terror financing.

 

[ahmedzee]

well, UK doesn't co-align with your perspective nor does the majority of nations.

Hence why I am calling them hypocrites. There is evidence and even a documentary on the things I mentioned above. Even india is one of the victims of money laundering (the likes of Nirav Modi, Mallya etc. should ring a bell).

 

[Uzi]

London itself is home to many money laundering crooks. They seem to have a safe haven here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hilarious joke from UK indeed. UK forgot to put UK in the list. Well, they check both the boxes, money laundering and terror financing. What do you think the likes of Altaf hussain (a uk citizen) do in Pakistan?
Also laundered money in billions in kept in UK banks from the likes of Nawaz, his sons (british citizen again), and so many others who originally are from the list of banned countries above.

Also need I say that the terror financing box is checked of countries who send the likes of Kulbushan Yadav to Pakistan to for terrorism (in Balochistan, Peshawar APS, etc.) and to spread misinformation (refer to Euro disinfo lab).

UK government clearly doesn't believe a word of the Ngo EU disinfo lab. Neither they believe the claims of the pakistan govt.

But pakistan govt can create a list and ban India and UK. No?

 

[ahmedzee]

UK government clearly doesn't believe a word of the Ngo EU disinfo lab. Neither they believe the claims of the pakistan govt.

But pakistan govt can create a list and ban India and UK. No?

*** cares what UK govt is thinking. They’re the pioneers of terrorism and money laundering. Colonialism is actually what I call state funded terrorism, which they spread throughout the world, effects of which are being felt by majority of the countries that are listed above in op.

You can deny eu disinformation kab and even kulbushan, fact is a fact, even if it isn’t “officialised” by uk. Kulbushan was caught red handed and you can’t ignore India’s major role with terrorism in Pakistan, funding aps attack and killing of over 80k Pakistanis.

 

[Varun]

*** cares what UK govt is thinking. They’re the pioneers of terrorism and money laundering. Colonialism is actually what I call state funded terrorism, which they spread throughout the world, effects of which are being felt by majority of the countries that are listed above in op.

You can deny eu disinformation kab and even kulbushan, fact is a fact, even if it isn’t “officialised” by uk. Kulbushan was caught red handed and you can’t ignore India’s major role with terrorism in Pakistan, funding aps attack and killing of over 80k Pakistanis.

You are right, but as long as the UK remains on the Top-5 list for Pakistani economic immigrants and absconding politicians alike, your fumes will remain just that - fumes.

As they say, vote with your wallet and hit them where it hurts.

 

[ahmedzee]

You are right, but as long as the UK remains on the Top-5 list for Pakistani economic immigrants and absconding politicians alike, your fumes will remain just that - fumes.

As they say, vote with your wallet and hit them where it hurts.

Hate to say this, i agree with you Varun!
What the countries in the list have in common is, poverty and poor economy. Improve that and Uk forgets everything as they do business with you. Actually that applies to probably all ally countries.

 

[Napa]

There is a certain agenda that these western countries follow. Therefore you trying to stir it up here, doesn’t deserve much attention.

Hilarious joke from UK indeed. UK forgot to put UK in the list. Well, they check both the boxes, money laundering and terror financing. What do you think the likes of Altaf hussain (a uk citizen) do in Pakistan?
Also laundered money in billions in kept in UK banks from the likes of Nawaz, his sons (british citizen again), and so many others who originally are from the list of banned countries above.

Also need I say that the terror financing box is checked of countries who send the likes of Kulbushan Yadav to Pakistan to for terrorism (in Balochistan, Peshawar APS, etc.) and to spread misinformation (refer to Euro disinfo lab).

Pakistan can create a similar list and add UK and India to nations providing terror financing.

There is a moral aspect and a practical aspect to these lists.

We can argue about the moral aspect, but the practical impact should be clear.

Western firms are not going to invest in countries which are on such lists, and the only way for Pakistan to develop modern industries is to get the Western corporations to invest in setting up manufacturing/services like they have done in China, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, India etc. which enabled these countries to develop modern industries. Without modern industries a country will remain poor.

 

[King-Misbah]

Most of the world is high risk to England, I use to work in the finance field so I know how it works. This includes India too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yet they wont extradite Nawaz Sharif but instead are helping him with his money laundering.

Nobody takes the UK government seriously any longer.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yet they wont extradite Nawaz Sharif but instead are helping him with his money laundering.

Nobody takes the UK government seriously any longer.

Exactly. UK government is known to fund terrorists/dictatorships/regimes across the globe.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. UK government is known to fund terrorists/dictatorships/regimes across the globe.

The list is too long.

We still pay taxes to help India with aid, they are a big nation which also is an occupying power. You can add support for Israel and selling arms to dictatorships such as Saudi, not to mention funding the so called rebels in Syria who are actually Al-Qaeda.

 

[MenInG]

Foreign Office (FO) spokesperson Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri said on Monday that the United Kingdom's decision to include Pakistan in the list of Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing High-Risk Countries was not based on facts.

In a statement issued from Islamabad, Chaudhri expressed the hope that the "UK would review its regulations in light of facts on ground and avoid politically motivated and misplaced measures."

A day earlier, it had emerged that the UK had added Pakistan to the list of 21 countries that were part of Schedule 3ZA (High Risk Countries) under its Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing (Amendment) (High-Risk Countries) Regulations 2021.

Responding to the move on Monday, Chaudhry said in a statement that "Pakistan has a robust AML [anti-money laundering]/CFT [combatting the financing of terrorism] regime in place."

The statement added that over the last two years, Pakistan has taken "unprecedented measures through a series of legislative, institutional and administrative actions in the domain of anti-money laundering and countering financing of terrorism."

These actions, which have also been reported to Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and shared with the European Union have been widely acknowledged by the international community, it said, adding that the near completion of the FATF action plan through 24 out of 27 Action Items "is a testament to Pakistan's commitment and tangible actions in AML/CFT domain."

Pakistan has been on the FATF’s grey list for deficiencies in its counter-terror financing and anti-money laundering regimes since June 2018.

During its last plenary session in February earlier this year, the FATF had observed that while Islamabad had made “significant progress”, there remained some “serious deficiencies” in mechanisms to plug terrorism financing. At the same time, FATF President Dr Marcus Pleyer had said that 24 of the 27 points agreed upon by Pakistan as part of its action plan had been complied with.

DAWN

 

[Technics 1210]

The list is too long.

We still pay taxes to help India with aid, they are a big nation which also is an occupying power. You can add support for Israel and selling arms to dictatorships such as Saudi, not to mention funding the so called rebels in Syria who are actually Al-Qaeda.

Also add Pinnochet and Mugaba!

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

As for the practical implications of these uK lists, may be it matter somewhat in short term but in the long run its better to be independent of these handouts and dangling carrots from these western powers. Just look at the examples of Turkey and Iran.

Otoh UK is a declining power with shrinking influence in the world, so whatever list they create is not to be taken that seriously.

 

[Lego20]

Great - not one post in this thread about introspection or reflection or acceptance. As expected, all posts about hypocrisy, denial & conspiracies, what abouts, you also, dont care etc. Why only Pakistan in a list of 21 countries out of 194 countries in the world? I guess the responses will be repetition. And then, cry foul when the world treats you accordingly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Great - not one post in this thread about introspection or reflection or acceptance. As expected, all posts about hypocrisy, denial & conspiracies, what abouts, you also, dont care etc. Why only Pakistan in a list of 21 countries out of 194 countries in the world? I guess the responses will be repetition. And then, cry foul when the world treats you accordingly.

Pakistan has known for a long time this is pure hypocrisy and Pak will always be a sort of enemy because its a Muslim nuclear power with a strong army.

Dont lose sleep over this, the western nations have won the Premier League of Terrorism by the most points possible.

Its like a jackal accusing a honey badger of killing and eating others.

 

[Greenstorm]

These blue gray yellow 'lists' are a real weapon in the hands of Western powers, mainly meant to bully developing nations.

They keep us occupied in evading one list to another

 

[Lego20]

Alright, so it seems the Pakistan population think that these blacklists are malicious (or erroneous at best) and that Pakistan doesnt harbor/facilitate terrorists.

Why would UK do that? What does it gain by doing it? What does it want from Pakistan?

 

[Technics 1210]

Alright, so it seems the Pakistan population think that these blacklists are malicious (or erroneous at best) and that Pakistan doesnt harbor/facilitate terrorists.

Why would UK do that? What does it gain by doing it? What does it want from Pakistan?

It's not a blacklist, it's a high risk list. Read your own OP.

 

[Saj]

Flights being cancelled by the bucket-load.

Lots of people stuck out there.

Schoolboy error to take the risk.

 

[Lego20]

It's not a blacklist, it's a high risk list. Read your own OP.

Does it make it any better?

 

[rhony]

As the Afghan conflict winds down, West doesn't need Pak to control the Jihadis anymore. Now they are Pak's problem and a liability. The problem is they are probably out of Pak's control too.

 

[Technics 1210]

Does it make it any better?

It makes it more accurate even though Indians will still continue with their bhangra and lies.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

As the Afghan conflict winds down, West doesn't need Pak to control the Jihadis anymore. Now they are Pak's problem and a liability. The problem is they are probably out of Pak's control too.

I assume by Jihadis you mean the religious extremists. If so, are they any different from Hinduvita Saffron brigade, which is also out of control (as evidenced in Delhi and others places fairly recently).

So why do you think that only one of them a problem and not the other?

 

[rhony]

I assume by Jihadis you mean the religious extremists. If so, are they any different from Hinduvita Saffron brigade, which is also out of control (as evidenced in Delhi and others places fairly recently).

So why do you think that only one of them a problem and not the other?

Because these hindu terrorists aren't blowing themselves up in foreign countries.

 

[ahmedzee]

Alright, so it seems the Pakistan population think that these blacklists are malicious (or erroneous at best) and that Pakistan doesnt harbor/facilitate terrorists.

Why would UK do that? What does it gain by doing it? What does it want from Pakistan?

If wants billions of pounds being laundered to UK, as it is their (uk) banks benefiting from it. Where do u think nawaz and zardari keep their looted and laundered assets.

Infact, my prediction is that uk support pakistan in FATF, once there is a change in power and a puppet like sharif or zardari rule Pakistan.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

From an Indian news source: https://news24online.com/news/world/black-money-british-economy-6dc95658/

Loads and loads of examples of all sort of dodgy characters like Vijay Mallya (with their illegally acquired money) investing freely in the UK. This is how UK is trying to stay afloat without having any real manufacturing industry left.

What the Brits call London’s Financial services industry is another name to facilitate transactions of such dodgy money.

Sharam in ko phir bhi nahee aati. What is the credibility of these UK red, blue and Green lists?

 

[topspin]

Great - not one post in this thread about introspection or reflection or acceptance. As expected, all posts about hypocrisy, denial & conspiracies, what abouts, you also, dont care etc. Why only Pakistan in a list of 21 countries out of 194 countries in the world? I guess the responses will be repetition. And then, cry foul when the world treats you accordingly.

You missed my post then.

 

[ahsan17]

From an Indian news source: https://news24online.com/news/world/black-money-british-economy-6dc95658/

Loads and loads of examples of all sort of dodgy characters like Vijay Mallya (with their illegally acquired money) investing freely in the UK. This is how UK is trying to stay afloat without having any real manufacturing industry left.

What the Brits call London’s Financial services industry is another name to facilitate transactions of such dodgy money.

Sharam in ko phir bhi nahee aati. What is the credibility of these UK red, blue and Green lists?

It's clearly driven by politics than anything fact based. UK is one of the biggest beneficiaries of money laundering yet the irony is probably lost on them.

 

[ahsan17]

Great - not one post in this thread about introspection or reflection or acceptance. As expected, all posts about hypocrisy, denial & conspiracies, what abouts, you also, dont care etc. Why only Pakistan in a list of 21 countries out of 194 countries in the world? I guess the responses will be repetition. And then, cry foul when the world treats you accordingly.

It's a list defined by an individual country. Any country making such lists is bound to drive these lists based on its geopolitical interests. These lists are generally never taken too seriously. The only lists that have any sort of seriousness and impact is the US due to the power of their sanctions.

Pakistan could make a list, throw India into it, and then I could also you to introspect or reflection or acceptance. Lol.

 

[rhony]

It’s more like they have no control in Pakistan, and their allies such as India cant have a stronghold to conduct proven terrorist activities within Pakistan through Afghanistan. Good job in deceiving everyone here thinking Pakistan is not a big stakeholder in this. Afghanistan peace is impossible without pakistan.

Pakistan is a victim but that's a recent phenomenon. They've lost control of these elements. Pakistan will always be a stake holder but US and the west don't always need to care about Afghanistan. It's only until the troops are out of the country.

 

[ahsan17]

Alright, so it seems the Pakistan population think that these blacklists are malicious (or erroneous at best) and that Pakistan doesnt harbor/facilitate terrorists.

Why would UK do that? What does it gain by doing it? What does it want from Pakistan?

It doesn't even seem like you understand what this list is about. It's not about state terror financing but rather clamping down on individuals who finance terror. Same deal as FATF, which Indians keep barking about but don't actually understand what it entails.

 

[Itachi]

It doesn't even seem like you understand what this list is about. It's not about state terror financing but rather clamping down on individuals who finance terror. Same deal as FATF, which Indians keep barking about but don't actually understand what it entails.

And that's why Pakistan is on the list because while India has multiple check points for AML/CFT, but Pakistan's check points are inadequate and unsatisfactory. Money laundering happens in every country by different people, but if your system isn't able enough to clamp down, you'll appear in various lists which is happening to pakistan.

 

[Lego20]

You missed my post then.

Did not occur to me you are Pakistani origin. Good on you to see the facts.

 

[PakLFC]

Right or wrong our diplomacy is incredibly weak. Other then Cricket we really have no soft power to boast of showing the positive side of Pak. It is all politics and religion in Pak as if nothing else happens in the country.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Soft power is over rated and doesn’t really achieves anything fundamental.

This is why after all the chumchageeri, lobbying, Disinformation networks, Trump Mandirs etc, the West keeps India at an arms length in all major events & decisions that shape the world globally. Israel too has no soft power (infact all its interactions with friends & foes are crude) but still it benefits from all concessions due to its ‘hard power’.

Western countries are well aware of their strategic interests and act accordingly.

 

[Itachi]

Soft power is over rated and doesn’t really achieves anything fundamental.

This is why after all the chumchageeri, lobbying, Disinformation networks, Trump Mandirs etc, the West keeps India at an arms length in all major events & decisions that shape the world globally. Israel too has no soft power (infact all its interactions with friends & foes are crude) but still it benefits from all concessions due to its ‘hard power’.

Western countries are well aware of their strategic interests and act accordingly.

Your post didn't address anything to do with Pakistan. It seemed more like your interest is more anti west and anti India than any interest in Pakistan. If you are a Pakistani living in Pakistan, surely one would (should) invest more in the state of Pakistan than spending time in conspiracy of others.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

From an Indian news source: https://news24online.com/news/world/black-money-british-economy-6dc95658/

Loads and loads of examples of all sort of dodgy characters like Vijay Mallya (with their illegally acquired money) investing freely in the UK. This is how UK is trying to stay afloat without having any real manufacturing industry left.

What the Brits call London’s Financial services industry is another name to facilitate transactions of such dodgy money.

Sharam in ko phir bhi nahee aati. What is the credibility of these UK red, blue and Green lists?

I said it earlier, let Pakistan place UK in it's own RED list and put scores of ban on them. let us see how will that turn out for Pakistan.

Powerful make the rules in the world. is this a 'just' world? Who knows. But this is the 'real' and 'practical' world. You have no leverage to dictate terms. Writing on social media is easy, understanding your place in real world is bitter pill for some.

 

[uberkoen]

Not sure why people are thinking that there is some sort of conspiracy against us. Let's not forget we are still on the FATF grey list. People here think we're not funding terrorists or terrorists organizations need to remember that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani. They need to remember that Hafiz Saeed's organisation still runs in Pakistan.

 

[ahsan17]

And that's why Pakistan is on the list because while India has multiple check points for AML/CFT, but Pakistan's check points are inadequate and unsatisfactory. Money laundering happens in every country by different people, but if your system isn't able enough to clamp down, you'll appear in various lists which is happening to pakistan.

1. My point was that the OP (and other people) insiniuated that the listing has something to do with state fainancing of terror, which it doesn't.

2. The list itself has more to do with Pakistan being more in China's camp, to put pressure on Pakisan vis-a-vis CPEC. Otherwise if we go by merit then UK should be number 1 country on such a list.

 

[uberkoen]

1. My point was that the OP (and other people) insiniuated that the listing has something to do with state fainancing of terror, which it doesn't.

2. The list itself has more to do with Pakistan being more in China's camp, to put pressure on Pakisan vis-a-vis CPEC. Otherwise if we go by merit then UK should be number 1 country on such a list.

Who kept OBL hidden in Abbotabad? Who funded Ajmal Kasab? Who funded Taliban in Afghanistan? Where do organisations like TLP, Sipah Sahabah, JUD, Lashker e Taiba and many more get their funding from?

Pakistan funds terrorist organizations and we need to bring this to an end.

 

[ahsan17]

Who kept OBL hidden in Abbotabad? Who funded Ajmal Kasab? Who funded Taliban in Afghanistan? Where do organisations like TLP, Sipah Sahabah, JUD, Lashker e Taiba and many more get their funding from?

Pakistan funds terrorist organizations and we need to bring this to an end.

Some of these points are bogus, such as the OBL one and Ajmal Kasab one, but the point you are arguing doesn't even make sense in this thread because the list in question has nothing to do with state funding of terrori but rather clamping down on private funding of terror.

 

[Itachi]

Some of these points are bogus, such as the OBL one and Ajmal Kasab one, but the point you are arguing doesn't even make sense in this thread because the list in question has nothing to do with state funding of terrori but rather clamping down on private funding of terror.

OBL is bogus in what aspect?

 

[ahsan17]

OBL is bogus in what aspect?

White house, both Obama and Trump, acknowledged multiple times that OBL wasn't kept hidden by the Pakistani state or military.

 

[uberkoen]

Some of these points are bogus, such as the OBL one and Ajmal Kasab one, but the point you are arguing doesn't even make sense in this thread because the list in question has nothing to do with state funding of terrori but rather clamping down on private funding of terror.

Firstly, how are these bogus? Do you think OBL wasn't in Abbotabad? LOL

Secondly, I mentioned a list of organisation that are privately funded in Pakistan. Just because you chose to ignore something doesn't mean its not there

 

[uberkoen]

White house, both Obama and Trump, acknowledged multiple times that OBL wasn't kept hidden by the Pakistani state or military.

lol. You're telling me out intelligence agencies knew nothing about the fact that OBL was hiding in few KM's away from Pakistan's version of West Point Academy?

 

[ahsan17]

lol. You're telling me out intelligence agencies knew nothing about the fact that OBL was hiding in few KM's away from Pakistan's version of West Point Academy?

I mean, that's what the country that wanted OBL the most has said.

 

[uberkoen]

I mean, that's what the country that wanted OBL the most has said.

ISI had tipped off US on Osama bin Laden’s location, says Imran (https://www.livemint.com/politics/n...aden-s-location-says-imran-1563904575099.html)

Pakistani leaders knew Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan, says former defense minister (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-in-pakistan-says-former-defense-minister/)

Imran Khan claims Pakistani intelligence led CIA to bin Laden (https://www.france24.com/en/20190723-imran-khan-bin-laden-pakistani-usa-cia-intelligence)

 

[Technics 1210]

In a nutshell, Pakistan tipped US authorities on OBL's whereabouts.

Well folks, this sums it up. Doesn't amount to Pakistan hiding or protecting OBL. Glad this is cleared up.

 

[Lego20]

ISI had tipped off US on Osama bin Laden’s location, says Imran (https://www.livemint.com/politics/n...aden-s-location-says-imran-1563904575099.html)

Pakistani leaders knew Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan, says former defense minister (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-in-pakistan-says-former-defense-minister/)

Imran Khan claims Pakistani intelligence led CIA to bin Laden (https://www.france24.com/en/20190723-imran-khan-bin-laden-pakistani-usa-cia-intelligence)

Man cant argue with someone who believes this.

If Pakistan helped US resama, it would have extracted an arm and a leg from USA like everything else with Pakistan and not settled with lasting international humiliation.

The only thing believable is some in ISI sold out to CIA.

 

[Technics 1210]

This terrorism is just an excuse for India. India will happily deal with Iran - the axis of terrorism - also on the list, but remember their morals when Pakistan is mentioned.

Sheer daylight hypocrisy but hillarious none-the-less.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Soft power is over rated and doesn’t really achieves anything fundamental.

This is why after all the chumchageeri, lobbying, Disinformation networks, Trump Mandirs etc, the West keeps India at an arms length in all major events & decisions that shape the world globally. Israel too has no soft power (infact all its interactions with friends & foes are crude) but still it benefits from all concessions due to its ‘hard power’.

Western countries are well aware of their strategic interests and act accordingly.

Excellent observations. UK will be reaching out to Pakistan again when they want to squeeze some concessions out of India in trade deals.

 

[uberkoen]

Man cant argue with someone who believes this.

If Pakistan helped US resama, it would have extracted an arm and a leg from USA like everything else with Pakistan and not settled with lasting international humiliation.

The only thing believable is some in ISI sold out to CIA.

Point is, Pakistan knew about OBL. They kept him there.

 

[uberkoen]

People arguing this is only due to something political and we don't have any terrorist organizations operating in Pakistan and getting their funding's from within Pakistan are nothing short of delusional.

 

[ahsan17]

ISI had tipped off US on Osama bin Laden’s location, says Imran (https://www.livemint.com/politics/n...aden-s-location-says-imran-1563904575099.html)

Pakistani leaders knew Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan, says former defense minister (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-in-pakistan-says-former-defense-minister/)

Imran Khan claims Pakistani intelligence led CIA to bin Laden (https://www.france24.com/en/20190723-imran-khan-bin-laden-pakistani-usa-cia-intelligence)

And yet white house said maybe 3-4 different times, both Obama and Trump white house, that Pakistan did not know. Are you suggesting they are lying to protect Pakistan, or something similar?

 

[ahsan17]

Man cant argue with someone who believes this.

If Pakistan helped US resama, it would have extracted an arm and a leg from USA like everything else with Pakistan and not settled with lasting international humiliation.

The only thing believable is some in ISI sold out to CIA.

So when it suits you, we should believe what 'makes sense' essentially. And when it suits you, we should believe what the west says. Basically, cherry pick whatever you believe.

 

[Varun]

The list is too long.

We still pay taxes to help India with aid, they are a big nation which also is an occupying power. You can add support for Israel and selling arms to dictatorships such as Saudi, not to mention funding the so called rebels in Syria who are actually Al-Qaeda.

How dare they.

Eject them from the #1 position on the "I am going to live here and live only here" and list and replace them with Algeria or Syria instead.

Problem solved.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

People arguing this is only due to something political and we don't have any terrorist organizations operating in Pakistan and getting their funding's from within Pakistan are nothing short of delusional.

Exactly.

At this point, the whining is comical.

 

[Lego20]

So when it suits you, we should believe what 'makes sense' essentially. And when it suits you, we should believe what the west says. Basically, cherry pick whatever you believe.

Well, all the links where quotes from Imran (before he took office) or ex-Pakistani officials.

Regardless, them saying they knew, if true would actually reflect worse on Pakistan and call for sanctions/retaliation from USA as it would prove complicity/conspiracy in shielding OBL. No US govt could afford to ignore this position.

Now, if you are saying you believe Pakistan officially helped in nabbing OBL, that is not from any reliable/official source neither it makes any sense. Since if that were true, Pakistan would not have accepted this international humiliation of discovering OBL in the military town.

The only possibility is the narrative from US or someone from within the pakistani deep state in the know ratted out the location (regardless of whether OBL was a state guest or a hiding fugitive).

 

[MenInG]

Guys - read OP again.

Stay on topic.

 

[Mamoon]

Point is, Pakistan knew about OBL. They kept him there.

There are some people out there who actually believe that Osama was chilling half a mile away from the military base in Abbottabad and we did not have a clue.

If that is the case then our “intelligence” is by far the most useless and incompetent agency in the world. The world’s most wanted man was hiding right next to a military base and they did not have a clue.

 

[Mamoon]

People arguing this is only due to something political and we don't have any terrorist organizations operating in Pakistan and getting their funding's from within Pakistan are nothing short of delusional.

The problem is that we are actually nothing short of delusional.

 

[ahmedzee]

Pakistan is a victim but that's a recent phenomenon. They've lost control of these elements. Pakistan will always be a stake holder but US and the west don't always need to care about Afghanistan. It's only until the troops are out of the country.

This has been happening since the times of Zulfiqar Bhutto. Now really recent!
Well onething is for sure, once the troops are out, there is free trade between Pakistan, Afghanistan and central asia with China has the main player. West can look at prosperity from far away.

 

[rhony]

This has been happening since the times of Zulfiqar Bhutto. Now really recent!
Well onething is for sure, once the troops are out, there is free trade between Pakistan, Afghanistan and central asia with China has the main player. West can look at prosperity from far away.

Hope that happens. Afghans deserve peace

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This terrorism is just an excuse for India. India will happily deal with Iran - the axis of terrorism - also on the list, but remember their morals when Pakistan is mentioned.

Sheer daylight hypocrisy but hillarious none-the-less.

Said this many times previously when the Modites keep bringing up the FATF grey list. Guess who is actually blacklisted on FATF but on good terms with India? No prizes.

 

[Lego20]

This terrorism is just an excuse for India. India will happily deal with Iran - the axis of terrorism - also on the list, but remember their morals when Pakistan is mentioned.

Sheer daylight hypocrisy but hillarious none-the-less.

The thread is not about India. Lets reflect on Pakistan's position in this list?

 

[Bigboii]

^
Your threads, seeing the pattern?

Pakistan added in UK's list of 21 high-risk countries over money-laundering, terror financing
Pakistan defers decision to allow import of cotton, sugar from India
UN Chief Urges India, Pak to Exercise 'Maximum Restraint' on Kashmir, Invokes Simla Agreement
"Lets reflect on Pakistan" you love to "reflect" on Pak don't you?

 

[Lego20]

^
Your threads, seeing the pattern?

Pakistan added in UK's list of 21 high-risk countries over money-laundering, terror financing
Pakistan defers decision to allow import of cotton, sugar from India
UN Chief Urges India, Pak to Exercise 'Maximum Restraint' on Kashmir, Invokes Simla Agreement
"Lets reflect on Pakistan" you love to "reflect" on Pak don't you?

Yes - in the absence of enough strong inner voices, I am trying to uplift the good spirits within Pakistan

On the other hand, this is a Pakistani forum. I am not sure me posting irrelevant threads about issues with India or USA will interest you that much. All my threads have been issues that concern (though in different ways) both Pakistan & India.

That said, you are are again deviating from the focus of the thread by questioning my intention. The trick used here was deflection and counter-accusation.

 

[ahsan17]

Yes - in the absence of enough strong inner voices, I am trying to uplift the good spirits within Pakistan

On the other hand, this is a Pakistani forum. I am not sure me posting irrelevant threads about issues with India or USA will interest you that much. All my threads have been issues that concern (though in different ways) both Pakistan & India.

That said, you are are again deviating from the focus of the thread by questioning my intention. The trick used here was deflection and counter-accusation.

It IS relevant with respect to your concern trolling. It is the fallacy of inconsistency. You are concern trolling about FATF grey list while India clearly doesn't care about the FATF blacklist.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ask those who are in power

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876958544798339547