Pakistan and their lack of homework

[Saj]

Time and again we see players who are relatively new to international cricket do well against Pakistan.

Quite often players who are playing Pakistan in their first series do well against Pakistan.

We are seeing Zak Crawley making a huge score against Pakistan, with the bowlers looking clueless as to where to bowl to him.

Is it a lack of planning or a lack of homework from the think tank? Are they not looking at the weaknesses and strengths of these players?

 

[Mamoon]

To do homework, you need some intelligence. Most of our players are genuinely unintelligent.

If there is an IQ test I am sure most of our players will be in the below average range.

 

[ssuhaide]

Time and again we see players who are relatively new to international cricket do well against Pakistan.

Quite often players who are playing Pakistan in their first series do well against Pakistan.

We are seeing Zak Crawley making a huge score against Pakistan, with the bowlers looking clueless as to where to bowl to him.

Is it a lack of planning or a lack of homework from the think tank? Are they not looking at the weaknesses and strengths of these players?

I wonder whether the PCB even have the technology in house to view footage of players who have relatively few test caps. I sense they are very much pen and paper and probably get their plans from listening to the sky commentators on the telly.

 

[Titan24]

Its not the first time as well, have been a common occurrence in last decade or even longer and to be honest its not even funny anymore in modern era considering how much preparation/homework other teams do against every single player of the opposition.

Not exactly sure whats the role of analysts and backroom staff when there is rarely any strategy applicable to any individual is visible on the field.

 

[Major]

an inexperienced bowling line up, plus we are one bowler short.

we lost the one test cause of some weak bowling later on in the innings, and today it seems the same.

It surprises how everyone was bashing Yasir before coming into the series and hyping up the pacers but at the end its Yasir who took the most wickets.

Playing an extra batsmen would do no benefit to us

 

[MenInG]

I am sure they do their homework but the question is do they have the right sources to make the right decisions?

 

[hitthestump]

Is it the role of the players to do their homework or the backroom staff?

The so-called leadership has been horribly exposed in this series and Pakistan fans should rejoice, as that's probably what needed to happen. The bowlers have absolutely no idea what to do if Plan A fails and they've missed unforgiveable opportunities like not bowling short to Woakes. The batsmen have largely failed and will probably fail again.

The fact is that Misbah TukTuk, Bekaar Younis, Darpook Shafiq and Lolzhar Ali are not going to inspire any confidence or fire in the players when the chips are down.

While both had their flaws the Mickey/Safaraz combo would have lit a firework under the players today. I just can't handle the placidness of our current captain.

 

[Savak]

Tbh it doesn't help when you have a boring, unintelligent captain like Azhar Ali who can't think or act on his feet to save his life. Even Misbah as placid as he was, is more dynamic in the field. But the coaching staff has to be held accountable for deciding to go to England with just 4 bowlers and not selecting Faheem Ashraf in the eleven.

 

[shah_1]

Our bowling has been minnow level in this series

Shaheen flat
Naseem flat
Yasir Shah flat
Abbass has done well within his limitation. We need to focus only on white ball cricket, Test cricket is dying in Pakistan

 

[Cric1234]

The bowlers are not bowling well enough consistent tight bowling will get any batsman out on pitches with a bit of help too many loose balls taking the pressure of the batsmen.
The captaincy is one dimensional the slips are too far back on this pitch resulting in edges not carrying overall a mediocre effort and expect the same when the team bats.

 

[Saj]

Seriously I would like to know just how much footage has been viewed of Crawley by Misbah etc before this series.

 

[Titan24]

Our bowling has been minnow level in this series

Shaheen flat
Naseem flat
Yasir Shah flat
Abbass has done well within his limitation. We need to focus only on white ball cricket, Test cricket is dying in Pakistan

Our bowling was minnow level in Aus as well. I think focus towards red ball cricket should be revived for the betterment of Pak cricket and cricket as a whole. As I have said previously I think cricket as a sport will die a gradual death without test cricket. T20 cricket alone doesnt have enough in it to keep cricket relevant amongst other sports.

 

[Rana]

Misbah is a write off! How is this guy recommending PCB to appoint YK as a full time batting coach?? He’s acting as if this is a World Cup winning coach who has been begged by the board to do this job and transform our side into a champion side! Only such coaches can recommend others for full time jobs!

 

[sweep_shot]

Homework is easy. Execution is the hardest part.

You can plan a lot of things but those plans need to be executed well.

I think this problem is psychological in nature.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Misbah is a write off! How is this guy recommending PCB to appoint YK as a full time batting coach?? He’s acting as if this is a World Cup winning coach who has been begged by the board to do this job and transform our side into a champion side! Only such coaches can recommend others for full time jobs!

If YK is indeed appointed full-time, you'll know who actually runs the show

 

[Thephenom]

Human intelligence is different to cricket intelligence, but it’s purely down to bad management and bad planning

 

[Thephenom]

Misbah is a write off! How is this guy recommending PCB to appoint YK as a full time batting coach?? He’s acting as if this is a World Cup winning coach who has been begged by the board to do this job and transform our side into a champion side! Only such coaches can recommend others for full time jobs!

I totally agree about Misbah, but at least Younis sits there and makes notes, what do waqar and mushtaq do, every time you see them they are sitting with their feet up having a chat that is clearly nothing to do with the game!

 

[Rana]

Only in Pakistan can you appoint incompetent people for high performance jobs at world competitive rates.

Misbah is apparently paid the same as Mickey Arthur

 

[Deewana Mastana]

When has Pakistan done any homework should be the question.

4 man attack in England was mostly going to struggle with a spinner bowling 30 overs on the first day.

Pakistan's lack of options and not developing any fast bowling all rounder in the last 10-15 years is hurting them big and the same goes for an off spinner who can be an all rounder.

 

[shah_1]

Our bowling was minnow level in Aus as well. I think focus towards red ball cricket should be revived for the betterment of Pak cricket and cricket as a whole. As I have said previously I think cricket as a sport will die a gradual death without test cricket. T20 cricket alone doesnt have enough in it to keep cricket relevant amongst other sports.

Lets be honest

Test cricket is dying in SC

 

[Manunited18]

Only in Pakistan can you appoint incompetent people for high performance jobs at world competitive rates.

Misbah is apparently paid the same as Mickey Arthur

Good god, misbah is not even a qualified coach

 

[Savak]

When has Pakistan done any homework should be the question.

4 man attack in England was mostly going to struggle with a spinner bowling 30 overs on the first day.

Pakistan's lack of options and not developing any fast bowling all rounder in the last 10-15 years is hurting them big and the same goes for an off spinner who can be an all rounder.

Faheem Ashraf is in the squad. The last test Pakistan won, Faheem Ashraf played a part with both bat and ball. Make fun of him by calling him mediorce but he should have been selected ahead of Fawad and by bowling 15-20 overs in the day, he might have picked up a wicket or two and most importantly allowed the other pacers to be used in short sharp bursts in all their spells.

Our team management and selection is utterly disgraceful.

 

[Manunited18]

If YK is indeed appointed full-time, you'll know who actually runs the show

Younis khan if I can remind you scored 10k test runs with 30 test hundreds, surely he can implement his ideas and preparations to the younger brigade as shafiq azer ali need to move on. Also at this elite level these coaches are more mentors who refine when going through a bad patch.

 

[Titan24]

Lets be honest

Test cricket is dying in SC

You are right and to an extent we can add WI as well. As a fan of the sport I hope going forward things take a different turn somehow as you need atleast 6-8 decently competitive sides in any format.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Lack of preparation, mismanagement by coaches, and poor selection. Let’s be honest, with Azhar Ali as captain, what else do you expect?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Lets be honest

Test cricket is dying in SC

But it's not only Test cricket we struggle in ODI's and T20's as well against the big sides. Got spanked in Australia in the T20's and also in the UK our chances look bleak.

 

[Lion]

Pakistan have turned Zak Crawley into a superstar

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Faheem Ashraf is in the squad. The last test Pakistan won, Faheem Ashraf played a part with both bat and ball. Make fun of him by calling him mediorce but he should have been selected ahead of Fawad and by bowling 15-20 overs in the day, he might have picked up a wicket or two and most importantly allowed the other pacers to be used in short sharp bursts in all their spells.

Our team management and selection is utterly disgraceful.

I know he is in the squad but ideally is not the best candidate for either role of a bowler or batsman. But perhaps he could have been tried in this game as I said that a 4 man attack in England usually struggle.

The fact is that Pakistan failed to capitalise again after having Eng 127-4 and for this partnership to have taken the game away.

Azhar's captaincy isn't the best way forward and Pakistan really needs to invest in someone who has a good idea of field placements and when things don't work out can be innovative in the field and pick up the players as they're just looking down and out currently.

 

[Savak]

I know he is in the squad but ideally is not the best candidate for either role of a bowler or batsman. But perhaps he could have been tried in this game as I said that a 4 man attack in England usually struggle.

The fact is that Pakistan failed to capitalise again after having Eng 127-4 and for this partnership to have taken the game away.

Azhar's captaincy isn't the best way forward and Pakistan really needs to invest in someone who has a good idea of field placements and when things don't work out can be innovative in the field and pick up the players as they're just looking down and out currently.

The reason why England recovered from 127-4 is because the pacers got tired as the overs piled up. Playing Faheem Ashraf would have allowed the likes of Shaheen and Naseem to be used in short sharp bursts where Abbass, Ashraf and Yasir given the holding up roles. This team management did not learn from the Australia series or from the first test match.

 

[The Viper]

Mushtaq Ahmed’s answer to PakPassion’s question on the lack of homework done:

"We gave enough information to the bowlers in the bowling meetings we had; Obviously Waqar has been talking to the boys about the fact that Zak's front leg doesnt come accross early on in his innings, so we to let Shaheen Shah Afridi bowl to him as his strength is to bring the ball into him so we can get him out LBW or bowled"

"But as I said, you can plan but players need to execute the plan; We gave them enough information; This is not an excuse but the wind was blowing too fast and it played a huge role; The bowlers were struggling as they could not land the ball where they wanted to; Overall, we did give the bowlers enough information on Zak Crawley and showed them the footage we had, we told them what technique he has and where we can bowl consistently to get him out"

 

[Nervesofsteel]

The coaching staff have absolutely done their homework. As much as people don't like Misbah....and want to blame him for literally everything, one thing no one can say about him is that he has bad work ethic or that he is lazy.

Even as a player/captain he worked extremely hard and had his way of doing things...some people liked it some hated it.

So I cannot imagine that Misbah, along with Younas and Mushtaq Ahmed wouldn't have done their homework.

The problem is when you have bowlers who have an IQ level of zero... this is what happens.

God knows how many times Crawley edged Abbas and it fell short of the slips yet all day no genius in the Pakistani team could suggest that maybe for Abbas we should move up a bit.

 

[Firebat]

God knows how many times Crawley edged Abbas and it fell short of the slips yet all day no genius in the Pakistani team could suggest that maybe for Abbas we should move up a bit.

And clearly none of the coaching staff either. Yet the players are the only ones with 0 IQ according to you?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Younis khan if I can remind you scored 10k test runs with 30 test hundreds, surely he can implement his ideas and preparations to the younger brigade as shafiq azer ali need to move on. Also at this elite level these coaches are more mentors who refine when going through a bad patch.

There's a huge difference between having the skills and ability to score 10k runs and teaching that skill to someone else. Waqar is a bonafide legend but he's given nothing to Pakistan cricket as a coach. There's a big difference between being a great player and a great coach.

 

[Kroll]

No point in crying about it now, it was expected. Waqar is extremely lazy as shown by his previous multiple failed stints at coaching.

Misbah doesn't care as long as his mates get selected for squads and some of them play in the actual team, he'll be happy.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I remember pakistani team of yesteryear who would bowl to bell and kps weaknesses and know that mohammed hafeez was a serious weakness for English openers
Nowadays we just turn up and don't give the opposition any competition

 

[Amjid Javed]

I said during the afternoon today at 144/4 that the next hour would make or break this match. Bowlers bowled with no game plans, no control and just gave away gift runs. Play 4 bowlers including yasir who has been awful for while was asking for trouble.

 

[Abdullah719]

Why isn’t Rizwan coming up to the stumps more often?

England have clearly done their homework and they know how to deal with Abbas - as long as they’re allowed to.

 

[Savak]

Why isn’t Rizwan coming up to the stumps more often?

England have clearly done their homework and they know how to deal with Abbas - as long as they’re allowed to.

Abbass is to blame as well. He should have worked on adding some pace to his repitoire by now knowing how international batsmen were going to deal with him

 

[Kroll]

Abbass is to blame as well. He should have worked on adding some pace to his repitoire by now knowing how international batsmen were going to deal with him

Was he not a wee bit faster in previous years? Can't have been a 77-80 bowler surely?

 

[hitthestump]

Abbass is to blame as well. He should have worked on adding some pace to his repitoire by now knowing how international batsmen were going to deal with him

This obviously isn't how bowling works.

His 'lack of pace' hasn't done him too badly so far anyway given he's ranked 12 in the world.

 

[Savak]

This obviously isn't how bowling works.

His 'lack of pace' hasn't done him too badly so far anyway given he's ranked 12 in the world.

He failed in Australia and now in England. He was just about average against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. The last match winning effort by him was against Australia in the UAE before he developed a shoulder problem, he has not been the same bowler since then

 

[Deewana Mastana]

He failed in Australia and now in England. He was just about average against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. The last match winning effort by him was against Australia in the UAE before he developed a shoulder problem, he has not been the same bowler since then

True he hasn't been the same bowler since the shoulder problem which may have caused him to lose some kph which results in him operating mostly between 74-76mph with occasional ball at 78.

Asif kept saying that he would like to him add about 4-5kph to his bowling as he could be more useful.

 

[TeamPak95]

If plans aren't working, then I turn my head to Azhar. Has he tried to do anything out-the-box, or just push fielders to the boundaries as usual?

 

[Nervesofsteel]

And clearly none of the coaching staff either. Yet the players are the only ones with 0 IQ according to you?

They can only suggest it. It has to be done by the captain on the field. Plus, I think in this case the slip fielders are not comfortable coming forward because they are too worried about dropping a catch. Hence, they continue to stay back where they are comfortable and don't want to move forward.

 

[Junaids]

Time and again we see players who are relatively new to international cricket do well against Pakistan.

Quite often players who are playing Pakistan in their first series do well against Pakistan.

We are seeing Zak Crawley making a huge score against Pakistan, with the bowlers looking clueless as to where to bowl to him.

Is it a lack of planning or a lack of homework from the think tank? Are they not looking at the weaknesses and strengths of these players?

Think of the winning Buttler-Woakes partnership at Old Trafford.

You and I are both English - we both know that you bowl bouncers to dismiss Woakes.

But clearly neither Misbah nor Waqar had done the homework that Mickey Arthur considers to be the basic foundation of being an international coach.

You can’t have a coherent gameplan if you don’t analyse the opposition.

It’s just gross negligence.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Think of the winning Buttler-Woakes partnership at Old Trafford.

You and I are both English - we both know that you bowl bouncers to dismiss Woakes.

But clearly neither Misbah nor Waqar had done the homework that Mickey Arthur considers to be the basic foundation of being an international coach.

You can’t have a coherent gameplan if you don’t analyse the opposition.

It’s just gross negligence.

But Woakes is already 31. He should have failed regardless.

 

[Saj]

They've been sat in hotels for days and days, the PCB should have obtained hundreds of hours of footage of Crawley, sat with the bowlers and scrutinised every aspect of his batting.

I guarantee you, they haven't.

 

[Abdullah]

I love how reactionary Pakistanis get about our players..
These same bowlers have the makings of a PROPER test match attack.

A few bad innings don't change that. ( Even good bowling attacks concede 400 when conditions are good for batting)

I can list them out for people. ( Let's start with Aus conceding 370 in 4th innings at headlong 2019)

No wonder the players lose hope when things get tough and are mentally weak. It's just like majority of the fans!!!

This bowling attack is going to be very good.

The batting needs to step up

In terms of not doing homework, it lies purely with the management.
We have a young and inexperienced team, and the management ( including Azhar and Asad) should have been on this kind of stuff

 

[MenInG]

TV showing how West Indies got rid of Crawley - one hopes Pakistan team guys have been watching the same.

 

[MMHS]

Time and again we see players who are relatively new to international cricket do well against Pakistan.

Quite often players who are playing Pakistan in their first series do well against Pakistan.

We are seeing Zak Crawley making a huge score against Pakistan, with the bowlers looking clueless as to where to bowl to him.

Is it a lack of planning or a lack of homework from the think tank? Are they not looking at the weaknesses and strengths of these players?

Bro, HW indeed is handy thing but there are two more things well ahead of home work that’s missing - a captain on field ........ and cricket skills to execute the home work, plan, strategy ... whatever.

First one is easy to accept - every passionate PAK fan will agree that Azhar isn’t the sharpest tool, he should be hanged upside down for not leading this supa-talented PAK side that’s basically in player to player comparison better than the English team even including Stokes....,,,,,,,,... second one might be a bit difficult pill to swallow, but that’s the bitter truth.

 

[MenInG]

Problem with Pak preparations is that whenever asked, the coaches get so defensive as if their existence is being questioned.

 

[Kenpachi]

Homework or no homework, a true bowler can read the style of play and realise how to get someone out.

Unfortunately our bowlers have so little experience they are unable to do this. Mushy’s comments yesterday basically said the bowlers can’t execute a plan.

The truth is , with very little swing and seam movement our bowlers have been exposed.

I remember a match against India, I believe, absolutely flat and dead track, but Shoaib Akhtar too 4 wickets via slower deliveries. When asked about these deliveries he said when the pitch doesn’t give you anything you have to resort to other methods.

This mindset is what your young, inexperienced players lack. I blame the captaincy too because the captain should be guiding the inexperienced ones.

 

[Kenpachi]

Problem with Pak preparations is that whenever asked, the coaches get so defensive as if their existence is being questioned.

I think this is a cultural thing. I see it all different spheres of Pakistani life.

 

[MenInG]

Think even listening to Sky commentary whilst sitting in the dressing room can give them some pointers but strange reluctance.

 

[Thephenom]

The last time Azhar Ali did his homework, he was studying for his Metric Pass!

Wasim Akram is there, why can’t he pop into the dressing room and tell them things?!

 

[IAJ]

To do homework, you need some intelligence. Most of our players are genuinely unintelligent.

If there is an IQ test I am sure most of our players will be in the below average range.

You need to calm down with this habit of looking down on others.

Homework starts with PCB. They need to put in the right resources. Have PCB/management proper procedures in place such as all relevant technology, where they can see the videoes of the players they are playing to indentify the weaknesses?

And of course the bolwers are not excused. They need to try different things in order to see where they can have the upperhand. And this experience will also help them when they play same batsman next time.