Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

[Hornbill]

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

The parents of a 14-year-old Pakistani Christian girl, who was abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to her abductor, will approach the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that marriage with an underage girl is valid as per the Sharia law if she has had her first menstrual cycle.


Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

Their counsel Tabassum Yousuf on Friday said they would seek justice from the Supreme Court after the Sindh High Court, as per the Sharia law, said earlier this week that even if the girl, Huma, was found to be underage, the marriage between her and her alleged abductor, Jabbar, would be valid as she has already had her first menstrual cycle.

After they approached the Sindh High Court to see their daughter, the court, in a hearing on February 3, ordered the police to oversee the tests to confirm her age.

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

“The girl’s parents were convinced that the police investigating officer was supporting Abdul Jabbar and his family. They also fear that the test results of Huma’s age could be falsified and she might be sent with her husband,” the lawyer said.

The parents had requested to keep Huma at a women’s shelter away from her alleged husband until her age was determined.

Tabassum said the parents produced documents including church, school documents confirming Huma’s age to be 14.

On the website of the Independent Catholic News, the girl’s mother has appealed to the international community to support them.

The latest case has emerged amidst an increasing number of forcible conversions of girls belonging to the minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

In the last one month, at least two cases of forced conversion and marriage of Hindu girls after abduction have emerged in the province.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...d-her-1st-menstrual-cycle/article30769139.ece

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

The parents of a 14-year-old Pakistani Christian girl, who was abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to her abductor, will approach the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that marriage with an underage girl is valid as per the Sharia law if she has had her first menstrual cycle.


Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

Their counsel Tabassum Yousuf on Friday said they would seek justice from the Supreme Court after the Sindh High Court, as per the Sharia law, said earlier this week that even if the girl, Huma, was found to be underage, the marriage between her and her alleged abductor, Jabbar, would be valid as she has already had her first menstrual cycle.

After they approached the Sindh High Court to see their daughter, the court, in a hearing on February 3, ordered the police to oversee the tests to confirm her age.

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

“The girl’s parents were convinced that the police investigating officer was supporting Abdul Jabbar and his family. They also fear that the test results of Huma’s age could be falsified and she might be sent with her husband,” the lawyer said.

The parents had requested to keep Huma at a women’s shelter away from her alleged husband until her age was determined.

Tabassum said the parents produced documents including church, school documents confirming Huma’s age to be 14.

On the website of the Independent Catholic News, the girl’s mother has appealed to the international community to support them.

The latest case has emerged amidst an increasing number of forcible conversions of girls belonging to the minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

In the last one month, at least two cases of forced conversion and marriage of Hindu girls after abduction have emerged in the province.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...d-her-1st-menstrual-cycle/article30769139.ece

Inhumans. Fasting for 1 month or praying 5 times a day won't save these people from God's punishment.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

The parents of a 14-year-old Pakistani Christian girl, who was abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to her abductor, will approach the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that marriage with an underage girl is valid as per the Sharia law if she has had her first menstrual cycle.


Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

Their counsel Tabassum Yousuf on Friday said they would seek justice from the Supreme Court after the Sindh High Court, as per the Sharia law, said earlier this week that even if the girl, Huma, was found to be underage, the marriage between her and her alleged abductor, Jabbar, would be valid as she has already had her first menstrual cycle.

After they approached the Sindh High Court to see their daughter, the court, in a hearing on February 3, ordered the police to oversee the tests to confirm her age.

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

“The girl’s parents were convinced that the police investigating officer was supporting Abdul Jabbar and his family. They also fear that the test results of Huma’s age could be falsified and she might be sent with her husband,” the lawyer said.

The parents had requested to keep Huma at a women’s shelter away from her alleged husband until her age was determined.

Tabassum said the parents produced documents including church, school documents confirming Huma’s age to be 14.

On the website of the Independent Catholic News, the girl’s mother has appealed to the international community to support them.

The latest case has emerged amidst an increasing number of forcible conversions of girls belonging to the minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

In the last one month, at least two cases of forced conversion and marriage of Hindu girls after abduction have emerged in the province.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...d-her-1st-menstrual-cycle/article30769139.ece

This girl has been KIDNAPPED, MARRIED and RAPED and court deems it legal.

This is sickening.

Pakistani officials shouldn't talk about the plight of minorities about other countries.

 

[minamino]

Persecution of minorities in Pakistan is hardly a secret. I don't know why people believe that there is no persecution against them.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

The parents of a 14-year-old Pakistani Christian girl, who was abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to her abductor, will approach the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that marriage with an underage girl is valid as per the Sharia law if she has had her first menstrual cycle.


Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

Their counsel Tabassum Yousuf on Friday said they would seek justice from the Supreme Court after the Sindh High Court, as per the Sharia law, said earlier this week that even if the girl, Huma, was found to be underage, the marriage between her and her alleged abductor, Jabbar, would be valid as she has already had her first menstrual cycle.

After they approached the Sindh High Court to see their daughter, the court, in a hearing on February 3, ordered the police to oversee the tests to confirm her age.

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

“The girl’s parents were convinced that the police investigating officer was supporting Abdul Jabbar and his family. They also fear that the test results of Huma’s age could be falsified and she might be sent with her husband,” the lawyer said.

The parents had requested to keep Huma at a women’s shelter away from her alleged husband until her age was determined.

Tabassum said the parents produced documents including church, school documents confirming Huma’s age to be 14.

On the website of the Independent Catholic News, the girl’s mother has appealed to the international community to support them.

The latest case has emerged amidst an increasing number of forcible conversions of girls belonging to the minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

In the last one month, at least two cases of forced conversion and marriage of Hindu girls after abduction have emerged in the province.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...d-her-1st-menstrual-cycle/article30769139.ece

This is disgusting, one of the worst judgements in history. Abducting, raping, converting and marrying off minor girls is ok for these judges just because they happens to be non Muslim? Pure evil. Expect these sort of things to happen in ISIS controlled areas of Iraq and Syria.

 

[Swashbuckler]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanOHaraMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BrendanOHaraMP</a> for taking to the House of Commons to lobby the British Govt on behalf of Huma Younus, the Pakistan girl forced from her home, forced to abandon her Christian faith and forced to marry an older man. It's time for the misery to end. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BringHomeHuma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BringHomeHuma</a> <a href="https://t.co/SwgoPCuOao">pic.twitter.com/SwgoPCuOao</a></p>— John Pontifex (@ACNJohnPontifex) <a href="https://twitter.com/ACNJohnPontifex/status/1225444788918505472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Underage <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Catholic?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Catholic</a> girl Huma Younus & other girls can be married as long as they have had their first menstrual cycle, High Court in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> ruled. This is so wrong and disgusting! I urge the <a href="https://twitter.com/EU_Commission?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EU_Commission</a> and the international community to stop all relationship with Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/oQl1INCGY0">https://t.co/oQl1INCGY0</a></p>— Marijana Petir (@marijana_petir) <a href="https://twitter.com/marijana_petir/status/1225019468209885184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> - 14 years old Catholic girl <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HumaYounus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HumaYounus</a> forced to get married to her Muslim rapist. Her parents have just sent this video to ACS. In addition, how to tell her mather that, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sharia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sharia</a>, after first menstruation Huma can validly contract marriage? <a href="https://t.co/MuaC1HeGU1">pic.twitter.com/MuaC1HeGU1</a></p>— ACS-Italia (@acs_italia) <a href="https://twitter.com/acs_italia/status/1225491095305564179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The court has clearly sided with the kidnapper. The judges, Muhammad Kalhoro and Irshad Shah, ruled that, as per Shari'a law, even if Huma was a minor, the marriage between her and her abductor, Abdul Jabbar, would be valid as she had already had her first menstrual cycle. <a href="https://t.co/L93eBZfMLS">pic.twitter.com/L93eBZfMLS</a></p>— Andrea Rose (@Andyrockz2012) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andyrockz2012/status/1226079956574191616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last year, Huma's mother had said, "Should <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Christian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Christian</a> mothers kill their daughters if conversion and kidnapping is their fate in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a>?"</p>— Andrea Rose (@Andyrockz2012) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andyrockz2012/status/1226079962299428864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dangerous precedent, in the future more monsters will abduct and rape/convert minority children without fear. Can PM Imran Khan do something when this is judicial matter? Hope higher court delivers justice, this looks more unfair than the Asia Bibi case. Don't these judges have children of their own?

 

[Hornbill]

Verdict came couple of days before, searched for Pakistani source but not able to find one.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What does Imran have to say about this?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Verdict came couple of days before, searched for Pakistani source but not able to find one.

This is pathetic and dangerous on so many levels if true.

 

[Hornbill]

This is pathetic and dangerous on so many levels if true.

Hybrid regime is desperately trying to project pakistan as some kind of tolerant country.

 

[Hornbill]

I think media freedoms are severely restricted when it comes to reporting these kind of news

 

[Buffet]

I think media freedoms are severely restricted when it comes to reporting these kind of news

There was an article about media restriction,

'Extreme fear and self-censorship': media freedom under threat in Pakistan

Journalists face blanked-out articles, pulled funding and channel shutdown if they dare to criticise the state


Under Imran Khan, elected with military backing in 2018, censorship feels heavier than ever before, say journalists. Photograph: Bloomberg via Getty

-------------

I personally think this restrictions will be harder and harder to maintain in internet era as country becomes educated, but then Pakistan has huge percentage of kids out of school. So progress will be slow in this front.
...
“I was told by Geo News administration that they could not air my analysis because the army, represented by ISPR [the media wing of the Pakistan armed forces], was very unhappy and they would shut down channel transmission if I continued to speak like I did, which they said was financially ruinous for them,”
....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...elf-censorship-media-in-pakistan-under-attack

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] Can you guys appeal to your contacts in Pakistani media to try and take up her case?

 

[JaDed]

I think this should be a separate thread as IK can’t control the judiciary.

 

[DeadBall]

This is disgusting, one of the worst judgements in history. Abducting, raping, converting and marrying off minor girls is ok for these judges just because they happens to be non Muslim? Pure evil. Expect these sort of things to happen in ISIS controlled areas of Iraq and Syria.

Heinous, atrocious and simply unacceptable. IK has to walk the walk if he is talking the talk.

 

[DeadBall]

I think this should be a separate thread as IK can’t control the judiciary.

True, but he should intervene when this is brought to his attention. This country and it's Mullah based Shariah laws have sent to hell in a hand basket. God damn that Zia ul Haq.

 

[BoredFromLifeXi]

This makes me so sad. This is the starting of society going towards dumps.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Atrocious, pathetic, heinous. That the law in pakistan allows this makes it even worse.

Every time i read news like these, i thank my grandfather for leaving East pakistan and migrating to India.

 

[Bigboii]

Atrocious, pathetic, heinous. That the law in pakistan allows this makes it even worse.

Every time i read news like these, i thank my grandfather for leaving East pakistan and migrating to India.

Good job Pak wasn't made for minorities that's just a fact (it's sad but it's true)

 

[Bigboii]

Good job Pak wasn't made for minorities that's just a fact (it's sad but it's true)

Watsupp with these horny old dudes too like seriously WHY!!? You are living a good life with your kids and stuff why ruin someone else's life

 

[Bigboii]

Hopefully some ghairatmand Muslim physically knock some sense into this Abdul ghafar the "Pedophile" and the judges(who probably have never studied science) and tell tham a 14 year old female body is not made for marriage so please lay your Pedophilic hands off her and for God sake have some humanity in your heart and don't give these horrendous judgements where you look extremely bufoonish

 

[Kashmirilion]

Atrocious, pathetic, heinous. That the law in pakistan allows this makes it even worse.

Every time i read news like these, i thank my grandfather for leaving East pakistan and migrating to India.

I'm grateful to Jinnah for liberating Pak from the rape capital of the world. Where even a 4-5 year old isn't safe in a US embassy!

See what I did there?

 

[Buffet]

I'm grateful to Jinnah for liberating Pak from the rape capital of the world. Where even a 4-5 year old isn't safe in a US embassy!

See what I did there?

Way off the mark to be honest. I have not seen Indian judiciary saying that it's fine to rape 4-5 year old kid. Here judicairy is saying that it's fine to kidnap, rape and then marry a girl. If Indian judiciry is also claiming that it's fine to rape, then I take my words back.

It's not that India is not a hellhole in many things, but analogy was not appropriate here. Anyway, I am sure that Jinnah or any sane person wouldn't like this kind of basket case judiciary.

 

[Hornbill]

Thanks to my ancestors an equivalent of Thanks to Jinnah brigade is slowly forming in india

 

[Kashmirilion]

Way off the mark to be honest. I have not seen Indian judiciary saying that it's fine to rape 4-5 year old kid. Here judicairy is saying that it's fine to kidnap, rape and then marry a girl. If Indian judiciry is also claiming that it's fine to rape, then I take my words back.

It's not that India is not a hellhole in many things, but analogy was not appropriate here. Anyway, I am sure that Jinnah or any sane person wouldn't like this kind of basket case judiciary.

I am in no means condoning this attrocious disgusting verdict and the disgusting act of crime that was committed.

 

[Buffet]

I am in no means condoning this attrocious disgusting verdict and the disgusting act of crime that was committed.

I never thought that you were condoning it.

I think crime will always happen in all societies. Judiciary needs to be reformed.

 

[Arya]

Not susrpised really. I read an article about zero rape convictions in Pakistan for a decade or so despite there being tens of thousands of these cases.

Seems like law is a nice refuge for rapists there.

 

[mustang]

Not susrpised really. I read an article about zero rape convictions in Pakistan for a decade or so despite there being tens of thousands of these cases.

Seems like law is a nice refuge for rapists there.

Every society will have its fair share of perverts deviants and other evil doers - no exceptions. But when the law of the land sides with these deviants then something is seriously amiss and hope is lost. I felt angered reading that news article. I was asking myself - how the hell did that judge make it that far? Now reading your comment makes it seem that Pakistan has always been having many such judges for a while. Pretty scary situation for them.

 

[PakLFC]

It is disgusting for goodness sake. Such a young lady doesn't even know what marriage is all about neither does even the Pak law allow such a thing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If she was abducted, then really then the focus should have been on that aspect rather than the menstrual cycle. Why hasn't the accused been locked up for kidnapping if the accusations are true?

 

[Lonewarrior]

from the OP,

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

Its not a law, why the hell all the posters are yelling on Pakistani Law... yelling on Pakistani laws will give you nothing, these are the same courts who turned down Asia bibi death penalty ... so theres no need to start point scoring in every damn thread about Pakistan ...
i could create dozen of thread in one day about whats happening in india ... but whatever.

IMO, the judges gve the verdict on the basis of puberty ... its all about interpretation, some judges takes different interpretation thn others...
they need to simply go to the Supereme Court and challenge the verdict ... Its a simple case of misjudging of interpretation of the Law ....
more thn law or judges, Police investigation plays a vital role in 90% cases ....

 

[IMMY69]

If she was abducted, then really then the focus should have been on that aspect rather than the menstrual cycle. Why hasn't the accused been locked up for kidnapping if the accusations are true?

Abduction and rape.

IK/PTI has to do something about

 

[irfan]

it's not Pakistani law is it? what is Sharia ruling on kidnap and forced conversion. If accurate reporting then these rulings need to be overruled by another court, shouldn't need to go to SC. PTI needs to show real action instead of mouthing platitudes about minority rights.

Point scoring & obvious glee from Indian posters is disgusting, using this poor girl's case to further their own online agendas.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Abduction and rape.

IK/PTI has to do something about

I think I read about this that the girl married of her free will, perhaps that is why there is no conviction of abduction or rape. Pakistan law doesn't seem to regard a 14 year old as a child, there is the issue.

 

[Bigboii]

I think I read about this that the girl married of her free will, perhaps that is why there is no conviction of abduction or rape. Pakistan law doesn't seem to regard a 14 year old as a child, there is the issue.

That's what Abdul ghafar the "Pedophile" is saying to fool the court

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's what Abdul ghafar the "Pedophile" is saying to fool the court

What else would you expect him to say? It's the court which has the responsibility to lay down the law, but maybe that is what they are doing. Perhaps the law itself is the problem.

 

[Bigboii]

What else would you expect him to say? It's the court which has the responsibility to lay down the law, but maybe that is what they are doing. Perhaps the law itself is the problem.

Court is the biggest problem in this case because from what I've heard you can't marry someone less than 16 or 18 year old and that's happening
They are not listening to the parents who are asking to let thier daughter stay in a women's shelter during the case so she wouldn't be scared to tell the truth but our bufoonish judges (it's in Sindh=PPP=carruption) can't figure this stuff out or they don't want to.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm grateful to Jinnah for liberating Pak from the rape capital of the world. Where even a 4-5 year old isn't safe in a US embassy!

See what I did there?

I am grateful to Nehru and Patel that they didnot agree to Jinnahs demands and gave land to the people who want to rule by religion. Best thing ever for my country.

 

[Mamoon]

“Will show Modi how to treat minorities” - Imran Khan

 

[topspin]

We can lecture BJP supporters on how backwards Modi and his cronies are but you will never find an Indian court who would deem for a girl who has been raped, kidnapped and forcefully married to be deemed legal.

 

[mustang]

I think I read about this that the girl married of her free will, perhaps that is why there is no conviction of abduction or rape. Pakistan law doesn't seem to regard a 14 year old as a child, there is the issue.

what a pointless statement to justify brutal rape and a hopeless legal system supporting a child's rape? Ever heard of grooming when it comes to minors? Stockholm syndrome? Combined with fear of honor killing and prejudice if she chooses not to? This is a kid with no understanding of the world, who had her own dreams and was kidnapped and abducted. The Pakistani courts in their infinite wisdom have deemed this legal ... to those in this thread asking others not to "point score" under such a despicable system - no this is NOT point scoring.

This is making some of y'all aware of the appalling state of affairs in your own backyard (while you lecture neighbors), and this is about pointing out the dangerous legal precedents it is setting for other underage minority women (and men too for the bacha bazi freaks).

Yeah - every country has atrocities against minorities (mine included) but no country has judicial systems blatantly rule against them this way. Appealing to a higher court and all that ** is after the fact. Put yourselves in the shoes of the girl's parents and their hopelessness with the court ruling. Or will you tell them nothing is wrong because they can appeal to a higher court?

Nobody is point scoring here but some of y'all here are blind supporters of Pakistan no matter how medieval/barbaric without a modicum of self awareness. We are only trying to bring that to your attention.

 

[Mamoon]

As I always say, no matter how bad things get in India in terms of minority treatment, it will never stoop to Pakistan’s level.

Whatever India is doing today was our state policy 50-60 years ago, so they are far behind us in terms of evolution and they will never reach our level.

 

[Abdul]

“Will show Modi how to treat minorities” - Imran Khan

The joke of the century.

 

[angrypathan]

This just keeps getting worse and worse. Give the mullahs an inch and they will take a mile. Shambolic stuff

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

what a pointless statement to justify brutal rape and a hopeless legal system supporting a child's rape? Ever heard of grooming when it comes to minors? Stockholm syndrome? Combined with fear of honor killing and prejudice if she chooses not to? This is a kid with no understanding of the world, who had her own dreams and was kidnapped and abducted. The Pakistani courts in their infinite wisdom have deemed this legal ... to those in this thread asking others not to "point score" under such a despicable system - no this is NOT point scoring.

This is making some of y'all aware of the appalling state of affairs in your own backyard (while you lecture neighbors), and this is about pointing out the dangerous legal precedents it is setting for other underage minority women (and men too for the bacha bazi freaks).

Yeah - every country has atrocities against minorities (mine included) but no country has judicial systems blatantly rule against them this way. Appealing to a higher court and all that ** is after the fact. Put yourselves in the shoes of the girl's parents and their hopelessness with the court ruling. Or will you tell them nothing is wrong because they can appeal to a higher court?

Nobody is point scoring here but some of y'all here are blind supporters of Pakistan no matter how medieval/barbaric without a modicum of self awareness. We are only trying to bring that to your attention.

I said I read about it as a justification, not that I endorsed it you numbskull. If you can't learn to read properly then hold off commenting. The rest of your dirge is barely worth reading past the first line as a result.

 

[kk1992]

Any person supporting a political party or member who support rape in Kashmir as to keep them subservient should not be in this thread.

Any person supporting a politician or a party who support and promote killing of minorities should not be in this thread.

So basically anyone who support BJP should be hiding in their hole and stop embarrassing themselves.

 

[mustang]

I said I read about it as a justification, not that I endorsed it you numbskull. If you can't learn to read properly then hold off commenting. The rest of your dirge is barely worth reading past the first line as a result.

Enough with the name calling. Your prior post was about mitigating the extent of the crime and you followed it up with a 14 year old raped girl giving consent for marriage. Really? So the perp should be tried for kidnapping when he raped a minor? I think you cannot grasp the context of my comment (and your own post) thanks to your pointless cornerstore owner life experience (see what I did there with the name calling? Two can play that game Haaji!)

 

[mustang]

Pakistan court says marriage with underage Christian girl valid as she’s had her 1st menstrual cycle

Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

The parents of a 14-year-old Pakistani Christian girl, who was abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to her abductor, will approach the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that marriage with an underage girl is valid as per the Sharia law if she has had her first menstrual cycle.


Huma was 14 when she was abducted in October last year and forced to marry her abductor Abdul Jabbar after being converted to Islam, according to her parents Younis and Nagheena Masih.

Their counsel Tabassum Yousuf on Friday said they would seek justice from the Supreme Court after the Sindh High Court, as per the Sharia law, said earlier this week that even if the girl, Huma, was found to be underage, the marriage between her and her alleged abductor, Jabbar, would be valid as she has already had her first menstrual cycle.

After they approached the Sindh High Court to see their daughter, the court, in a hearing on February 3, ordered the police to oversee the tests to confirm her age.

However, Judges Muhammad Iqbal Kalhoro and Irshad Ali observed that under the Sharia law, the marriage would be valid even if Huma was underage.

Tabbasum said that the ruling was not in accordance with the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act passed in 2014 which outlawed marriages of girls under 18 years, in a bid to stop forced marriages of minors in the province, primarily of Hindu and Christian community.

“The girl’s parents were convinced that the police investigating officer was supporting Abdul Jabbar and his family. They also fear that the test results of Huma’s age could be falsified and she might be sent with her husband,” the lawyer said.

The parents had requested to keep Huma at a women’s shelter away from her alleged husband until her age was determined.

Tabassum said the parents produced documents including church, school documents confirming Huma’s age to be 14.

On the website of the Independent Catholic News, the girl’s mother has appealed to the international community to support them.

The latest case has emerged amidst an increasing number of forcible conversions of girls belonging to the minority communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan.

In the last one month, at least two cases of forced conversion and marriage of Hindu girls after abduction have emerged in the province.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...d-her-1st-menstrual-cycle/article30769139.ece

Seriously - Has any opposition politician or any human rights groups even raised a question to Imran Khan about his bombastic twitter claim on being an example for other countries? Is this the model example that others should follow?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Enough with the name calling. Your prior post was about mitigating the extent of the crime and you followed it up with a 14 year old raped girl giving consent for marriage. Really? So the perp should be tried for kidnapping when he raped a minor? I think you cannot grasp the context of my comment (and your own post) thanks to your pointless cornerstore owner life experience (see what I did there with the name calling? Two can play that game Haaji!)

I don't have time to correct you on what you think I have said, so I would suggest you read my replies to other people and perhaps you will grasp some of it by piecemeal.

 

[imrankhannsu]

If this is true then its shocking and inhuman.

 

[mustang]

This book is an excellent relevant read for this topic

Purifying the Land of the Pure: A History of Pakistan's Religious Minorities - Book by Farahnaz Ispahani -- https://www.google.com/books/editio...o36uDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover

 

[irfan]

This book is an excellent relevant read for this topic

Purifying the Land of the Pure: A History of Pakistan's Religious Minorities - Book by Farahnaz Ispahani -- https://www.google.com/books/editio...o36uDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover

have you read it, can you provide a review please?

 

[mustang]

have you read it, can you provide a review please?

Have not had a chance to but I ran into it at a local book store earlier last year. Remembered this book given this thread title. Based on preview and synopsis I would say that it is of critical in nature but does present compelling facts.

The thing I like about the book from an initial glance is the author's stance is it is critical from a government and policy making standpoint. It does not take the stance of "Pakistanis as people/culture are all against minorities" which of course would be silly (have seen some extremist authors taking stances like that against other countries). It seems to be structured along the lines of - How does consistent twist in government policy making for multiple decades alter the thought process and outlook of its people. The Indians seem to be embarking on that road now and if they stay on course for 15-20 years they will end up in the same situation - social evils backed by a flawed legal/judicial system.

This to me mirrors the reality of how social changes (changes in outlook and minds of people) can be brought upon by policies (think of one of those future dystopian George Orwellian type societies as an extreme example). Definitely check out this book if you can.

 

[miandadrules]

This is horrific.

But not surprising.

 

[Rajdeep]

Wow....this is shocking. This thread is an eye opener for me and it looks like minorities are treated very poorly in Pakistan.

 

[imrankhannsu]

As a human being I am disgusted by this. These are not Muslims and are worse as terrorists who claim to be Muslims.

Justice is not blind but dumb too sorry to say

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Islamic states can and never will be good for religious minorities. No matter what apologists or certain left wing cheerleaders think. They are inherently flawed and backward and there is no denying it. Imran may not be a bigot and I respect him for it but ultimately he's the leader of a state that is institutionally biased towards Islam. Faster the Muslim world secularises, the better it is for everyone.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Islamic states can and never will be good for religious minorities. No matter what apologists or certain left wing cheerleaders think. They are inherently flawed and backward and there is no denying it. Imran may not be a bigot and I respect him for it but ultimately he's the leader of a state that is institutionally biased towards Islam. Faster the Muslim world secularises, the better it is for everyone.

This is bad but it sounds ironic coming from an Indian.

The so called secular state of India has a PM in place who let 2000 muslims get slaughtered.

The same PM whose party differentiates between Non-Muslims and Muslims and lets the former have privileges which the latter are not allowed to have.

This is the "secular" state of India:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCv_4jqfU0Y&vl=en

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-india-killed-at-least-44-people-report-finds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-49049372

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFRuKs7ZfEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI_Iy1FoSn4

You kill people over cows.

You can't be here lecturing us about how we treat our minorities.
You ain't no first world country with religious freedom

Your own MPs openly target muslims. One of our polticial leaders did that and we had him removed.

 

[MP2011]

Horrendous news...

Poor little girl, looks like such an angel...Pathetic from the court, if that is what it can be called.

 

[aukhan]

Barbaric. Hope justice prevails for the girl.

We hear so many cases of these forced conversions and child marriages. May God protect all young children from these disgusting sick pedophiles.

 

[Tubs]

Can we stop bringing India up? Yes, India has disgusting rapes and murders happening right now, but that's a separate issue.

Here, we are seeing a rapist and kidnapper being protected by law. This is terrible.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can we stop bringing India up? Yes, India has disgusting rapes and murders happening right now, but that's a separate issue.

Here, we are seeing a rapist and kidnapper being protected by law. This is terrible.

It's Indian newspapers that have been reporting that this decision has been overturned. I don't know if that is false news as the reports keep getting deleted from the thread.

 

[Abdullah719]

It's Indian newspapers that have been reporting that this decision has been overturned. I don't know if that is false news as the reports keep getting deleted from the thread.

That was a separate case. All comments regarding the other case have been moved over to another thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-minorities-quot-says-Imran-Khan&goto=newpost

 

[miandadrules]

Pakistani court rules forced marriage of underage girl is legitimate

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelin...her-first-period-says-high-court-in-pakistan/

Anyone can shed any further light on this?

 

[MenInG]

A Karachi court was told on Friday that the marriage between underage Christian girl Arzoo Raza, who has reportedly converted to Islam, with her Muslim husband was permissible under the federal laws and the Shariah.

This stance was taken by the defence counsel for Syed Ali Azhar, the purported husband of Arzoo Raja.

Police have booked Azhar, his brothers Syed Mohsin Ali and Syed Shariq Ali, and their friend Danish for allegedly kidnapping the 13-year-old girl and forcing her to contract the marriage.

They also booked cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool, Junaid Ali Siddiqui and Mehmood Hassan as suspects for facilitating and solemnising the underage marriage. They are currently on interim pre-arrest bail.

On Friday, the matter came up before judicial magistrate (south) Muhammad Ali Dall for arguments on the charge-sheet submitted by the investigating officer on the last date of hearing.

Defence counsel Nizar Tanoli argued that the marriage of his client Azhar with Arzoo was lawful under the provisions of the Majority Act, 1875, under which any citizen upon reaching the age of 18 years would be considered as major. Any citizen under 18 years of age would be considered a minor, but there is no bar on the marriage of a minor, he added.

The counsel further contended that under the Muhammadan Law as well as Muslim Family Laws Ordinance, 1961, any citizen could contract marriage upon attaining puberty.

Tanoli maintained that the marriage of Arzoo and Azhar was lawful under the federal laws as well as the Shariah laws.

Regarding the application of the provisions of the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act, 2013, the counsel contended that the SCMRA was not applicable in the present case since it was a provincial law, which was superseded by the federal law as well as the Shariah laws.

He maintained that Arzoo had recorded her statement before the Sindh High Court (SHC), clearly stating that she converted to Islam out of her own choice and contracted marriage out of her freewill.

Advocate Tanoli further maintained that since marriage of his client with the girl was in accordance to the laws and Shariah, therefore, physical relations between them were legitimate. Therefore, this is not a case of rape at all, he concluded.

After hearing arguments from the defence counsel, the judge fixed the matter for Dec 1 to hear arguments from the complainant’s counsel.

In the FIR of the case registered on the complaint of Arzoo's father, Raja, he claims that on October 13, he and his wife went to work while their son Shahbaz had gone to school.

Raja said his three daughters, including Arzoo, were present at their home in Karachi's Railway Colony when he received a call from a relative, who told him that Arzoo was missing.

Raja said he reached home and contacted his neighbours, but could not trace his daughter. He subsequently lodged a case regarding the abduction of his daughter against unknown persons at the Frere Police Station.

Currently, the girl is living in a shelter home on the directives of the Sindh High Court (SHC).

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Wow Pakistan. This country never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Major]

and i am not even surprised by this.

Wheres our pm now who used to say that he will show india how to treat minorities?

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Wow Pakistan. This country never ceases to amaze me.

This is the statement of the lawyer of the accused. The child has already been sent away to child protection services and the man has been arrested.

and i am not even surprised by this.

Wheres our pm now who used to say that he will show india how to treat minorities?

This is not a minority issue here, it's an issue of a man abusing his power and it's in the court and a proper decision will come in time.

 

[Hornbill]

Kidnapped Christian girl begs for asylum

A Catholic girl who says that she was kidnapped at gunpoint, gang-raped and forced to marry a man 30 years her senior has begged Boris Johnson to grant her asylum in Britain after a Pakistani court ruled that she should be returned to her abductor. Maira Shahbaz, a 14-year-old altar server, and her family are in hiding after defying a Lahore High Court ruling that she should return to Mohamad Nakash Tariq, a 45-year-old barber, who claims he is her husband. The teenager was walking near her home in Madina Town, a neighbourhood of Faisalabad, on the afternoon of April 28 when she claims she was bundled into a car by three armed men.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kidnapped-christian-girl-begs-for-asylum-nwffq5gb0

 

[MenInG]

A judicial magistrate on Wednesday invoked offence of rape against the main suspect in a case pertaining to the alleged underage marriage of Arzoo — a teenage Christian girl who was allegedly abducted before being forcefully converted and married to a Muslim man.

The judge also ordered the registration of a case against Syed Ali Azhar, who is the girl's purported husband, as well as against cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi, the justice of peace and facilitators and witnesses under Section 3 of the Sindh Child Marriages Restraint Act, 2013.

The magistrate also issued non-bailable arrest warrants for the absconding suspects. The judge sent the matter to the district and sessions’ judge (South) for initiating a trial.

During the hearing, the judge ruled that the investigation officer in the case was at liberty to determine the question of the issuance of sanad (certificate of conversion of religion) in accordance with the Supreme Court’s judgment (SCMR-474 of 2014), which was raised by the complainant’s counsel during the course of the arguments.

Police had booked Azhar, his brothers Syed Mohsin Ali and Syed Shariq Ali and their friend Danish for allegedly kidnapping the teenage girl, forcibly converting her and marrying her to a Muslim man.

Officials had also booked cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool, Junaid Ali Siddiqui and Mehmood Hassan for facilitating and solemnising the underage marriage of Arzoo Raja with Azhar. They are all currently on interim pre-arrest bail while Azhar is in police custody.

On Wednesday, judicial magistrate (South) Muhammad Ali Dall pronounced his verdict on the charge-sheet filed by the investigating officer after hearing arguments from the state prosecutor, defence counsel Muhammad Nizar Tanoli and the counsels for the complainant, Jibran Nasir and Asghar Narejo.

In his 20-page order, the judge noted that from perusal of the material available on record, it appeared that the "ingredients" of Section 376 (punishment for rape) of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) and Section 3 of the Sindh Child Marriages Restraint Act, 2013 were "attracting" against the suspect Syed Ali Azhar.

Section 3 states: “Whoever, being a male above eighteen years of age, contracts a child marriage shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment, which may extend to two years or with fine, which may extend to one hundred thousand rupees or with both.”

Similarly, the judge said that "ingredients" of Section 201 (causing disappearance of evidence of offence, or giving false information to screen offender) of the PPC also "attracted" against Azhar.

He further wrote that in view of the facts, it appeared that "ingredients" of Section 4 (punishment for solemnising a child marriage) of the Child Marriage Act was "attracting" against Qazi Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi, who solemnised the couple’s marriage, Justice of Peace Muhammad Azharuddin, witnesses Muhammad Danish, Habib, Mahmood Hassan and Junaid Ali Siddiqui.

The magistrate accepted the charge-sheet filed by the investigation officer and took cognisance under Section 376 of the PPC and Section 3 of the SCMRA, 2013 against Azhar.

The magistrate also took cognisance under the Section 4 of the SCMRA, 2013 against the cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi, Justice of Peace Muhammad Azharuddin, Muhammad Danish, Habib, Mahmood Hassan and Junaid Ali Siddiqui.

The judge further took cognisance under Section 201 of the PPC against Azhar.

However, the judge noted that since no evidence for initiating trial is available against the suspects Syed Shariq Ali and Danish, both were discharged from the case accordingly for the time being.

“Let the case be registered against Syed Ali Azhar, Qazi Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi, Justice of Peace Muhammad Azharuddin, Mahmood Hassan and Junaid Ali Siddiqui.” The magistrate sent the record of proceedings of the case to the District and Sessions’ Judge (South) for initiating trial.

Meanwhile, the court issued non-bailable warrants for the arrest of the absconding suspects, the Justice of Peace Muhammad Azharuddin and witnesses of the marriage ceremony, Danish and Habib.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1594881/u...rs-arzoos-purported-husband-be-tried-for-rape

 

[Dingolfy]

I am grateful to Nehru and Patel that they didnot agree to Jinnahs demands and gave land to the people who want to rule by religion. Best thing ever for my country.

Unfortunately BJP is trying hard to change that.

 

[MenInG]

A sessions court on Thursday granted bail to the main suspect in a case pertaining to the alleged underage marriage of Arzoo — a teenage Christian girl who was allegedly abducted before being forcefully converted and married to a Muslim man.

Police have detained and booked the main suspect Syed Ali Azhar, cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi who allegedly performed the underage marriage, the Justice of Peace who issued the marriage certificate, and facilitators and witnesses under Section 376 (punishment for rape) of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) and Section 3 of the Sindh Child Marriages Restraint Act, 2013.

On Thursday, the matter came up before the additional district and sessions judge (South) Faiza Khalil, who pronounced the verdict on an application filed by Azhar, seeking bail after arrest.

The judge allowed his application and granted him bail against a surety of Rs500,000.

However, his defence counsel told Dawn that Azhar could not be immediately released due to delays in verifying the surety, adding that he was expected to be released on Friday (tomorrow).

Earlier, the defence counsel had argued in the bail plea that his client was innocent and falsely implicated in the case, since Arzoo had recorded her statement before the Sindh High Court (SHC).

He further argued that the girl had also testified before the court that she converted to Islam out of her own choice and had married the applicant out of her free will without any force or pressure.

The counsel argued that Section 376 was not applicable against his client since the girl had reached puberty. Therefore, she was able to get married in light of Islamic laws as well as the judgements rendered by superior courts.

He added that the Supreme Court, the Federal Shariat Court and the higher courts in their judgments passed in 1932 and 1994 had declared that any girl or boy would be considered an adult after reaching puberty.

The apex courts have also ruled that where there is a contradiction in the law of the land, the Islamic law would prevail, he added.

Similarly, the counsel argued that the provisions of the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act were applicable against the parents of any child. However, the same were not applicable against Azhar in the present case since the girl was an adult, he said.

On the other hand, Jibran Nasir — the lawyer for the complainant — vehemently opposed the bail plea of the main suspect.

Taking to Twitter, he said: "There are good, bad and at times even dark days for justice."

The same court also confirmed the pre-arrest bail granted to the cleric Abdul Rasool Naqshbandi, Justice of Peace Azharuddin and Advocate Mahmood Hasan, who have been booked for allegedly facilitating and officiating the underage marriage.

They had moved applications seeking confirmation of interim pre-arrest bail granted to them earlier against a surety of Rs100,000 each.

 

[saeedhk]

Mockery of justice!

 

[Hassaan HS]

Underage marriage: SHC allows Arzoo to leave shelter home, return to her parents

The Sindh High Court (SHC) on Wednesday allowed Arzoo, an underage Christian girl who allegedly converted to Islam and then contracted a "free-will marriage", to return to her parents more than a year after the court had sent her to a shelter home.

A two-judge bench of the SHC, headed by Justice Mohammad Karim Khan Agha, had ordered that Arzoo be shifted to a shelter home on November 9, 2020, after a medical board confirmed that she was around 14 years of age and after she refused to go with her parents, saying she had changed her religion and contracted a marriage of her own accord.

But in light of the medical board's finding, the court had at the time observed that prima facie it was not possible for Arzoo to enter into a legally valid marriage as her consent had no legal value on account of her being a minor and told police to proceed against her alleged husband, Syed Ali Azhar, for violating the Sindh Child Marriages Restraint Act 2013.

However, yesterday (Tuesday) Arzoo moved an application with the SHC, seeking to return to her parents' house.

The matter was taken up by a division bench of the high court today, which permitted Arzoo to return to her parents and stated that the girl would not be allowed to meet Azhar.

The court directed her parents to furnish a personal bond in the sum of Rs25,000 with one surety in the like amount and give an undertaking that they would not pressurise Arzoo to change her religion as she had told the court that she had willingly converted to Islam.

The court further directed Arzoo's parents to report to the station house officer (SHO) in their area, producing Arzoo before him every three months until she turns 18. The court stated that this was needed to ensure that the girl was being treated well by her parents, in accordance with its order.

Moreover, the court directed the relevant SHO to file reports regarding the matter to the SHC through the court's member inspection team.
Case background

According to a first information report registered on the complaint of Arzoo's father, Raja, on October 13 last year, he was at work when he had received a call from his relative that Arzoo was missing from their home in Karachi's Railway Colony. He had stated that his wife and son, Shahbaz, were also at work, while Arzoo and her two sisters had stayed at home on the day of the incident.

Raja said he reached home and contacted their neighbours, but could not trace his daughter. He had subsequently lodged a case regarding the abduction of his daughter against unknown persons at the Frere police station.

Later, police had booked Azhar, his brothers Syed Mohsin Ali and Syed Shariq Ali and their friend Danish for allegedly kidnapping the teenage girl, forcibly converting her and marrying her to a Muslim man.

Officials had also booked cleric Qazi Abdul Rasool, Junaid Ali Siddiqui and Mehmood Hassan for facilitating and solemnising the underage marriage of Arzoo with Azhar.

In December last year, a judicial magistrate had invoked the offence of rape against Azhar.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1665223/u...o-to-leave-shelter-home-return-to-her-parents

 

[Local.Dada]

Without even getting into the incident itself, how does a educated judge and I am not talking about religious education here. I would assume you would require a minimum of post graduation to be one. How does an educated guy even have the heart to give such a judgement.

Is this some kind of a religious court and judge we are talking about or is this mainstream court?