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Ah yes, it's that time of the year again where we celebrate our military's heroism in a war they started and then lost without even attempting to achieve their actual objective for starting the war in the first place.
Every body who insult the military should get out of Pakistan or join the military to see how many difficulties they are facing same for guys who live in other countries but can't respect the local military.Blame the politicians as much as you want but don't insult the military.
Well I have often heard how Pak soldiers would lay down under Indian tanks with bombs attached to their chests. This was how they would counter the numbers advantage the enemy had. In this way every Pak soldier who died took many Indians with him! I see that India does not celebrate or remember 1965 in any way.
yeah but where does the limit between politics and military show up, the top levels of the military are as messed up as most of the politicians.
i have no doubt the men on the ground have good intentions, but the pakistan army is a corporate entity that operates in its own interests before anything else, and the men at the top are far closer to being politicians than soldiers.
this coming from someone who's uncles grand parents etc were all army men.
Well I have often heard how Pak soldiers would lay down under Indian tanks with bombs attached to their chests. This was how they would counter the numbers advantage the enemy had. In this way every Pak soldier who died took many Indians with him! I see that India does not celebrate or remember 1965 in any way.
Did you hear the one about 10 Pakistani soldiers being equal to 1 Indian soldier based on something supposedly superior? Hint: It isn't their military prowess.
Indians don't celebrate it because they were not given the opportunity to concoct stories, about some bravado of 'defending' their country, to save them from embarrassment. Especially when it wasn't the aggressor to begin with.
Besides, they got other years to celebrate. Like the number between 70 and 72.
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Because as the entire world outside Pakistan knows it, 1965 ended with a UN mandated ceasefire.
Indians like to claim victory, while Pakistanis do the same. It would be idiotic to talk and compare about advantages held by both sides at that point of time.
As for the aggressor part... plz read any .. just any war relating feature apart from that printed in Pakistan.
Operation Gibraltor!
But its very amusing that Pakistan has a national day, celebrating a truce as victory...
Now thats living in denial.
India got defeated in 1962 which made them realise their weaknesses in defence and were better prepared in 655 not to forget 71 and 99Indian's are brainwashed in to thinking they won every war against Pak and ChinaWe defended ourselves well in 1965...we know what happened in the Sino-Hind 62 war and Kargil.
Look at the link for a sec will u pak ka khudahafiz ab jo pak ka hai wo to pak ki side hi le ga na.http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/national/1965-air-wars-history-revisited/ There are always at least two sides to every story unless you are Indians who think they have never lost anything! 1947!
India got defeated in 1962 which made them realise their weaknesses in defence and were better prepared in 655 not to forget 71 and 99
India got defeated in 1962 which made them realise their weaknesses in defence and were better prepared in 65 not to forget 71 and in Kargil we regained our territories .
India got defeated in 1962 which made them realise their weaknesses in defence and were better prepared in 65 not to forget 71 and in Kargil we regained our territories .
India got defeated in 1962 which made them realise their weaknesses in defence and were better prepared in 655 not to forget 71 and 99
Look at the link for a sec will u pak ka khudahafiz ab jo pak ka hai wo to pak ki side hi le ga na.
It's remarkable that both sides continue to chest thump and claim victory in the 1965 war when nearly all independent historians are clear that it was a military stalemate and neither side won. How could Pakistan have 'won' when they didn't even gain an inch of territory in the end? To fail in the overall objective of capturing all of Kashmir yet still celebrate every 6th September with a 21-gun salute and a victory parade is utterly surreal.
Commemorate the dead sure but what on earth are you celebrating?
Forcing a much larger army to retreat is not victory?
But you started the war. Then celebrate not losing it :-/Forcing a much larger army to retreat is not victory?
But you started the war. Then celebrate not losing it :-/
It's remarkable that both sides continue to chest thump and claim victory in the 1965 war when nearly all independent historians are clear that it was a military stalemate and neither side won. How could Pakistan have 'won' when they didn't even gain an inch of territory in the end? To fail in the overall objective of capturing all of Kashmir yet still celebrate every 6th September with a 21-gun salute and a victory parade is utterly surreal.
Commemorate the dead sure but what on earth are you celebrating?
Great war. Pak defended it's territory with venom and jealously! Biggest tank battle in history of war took place when we bashed up the enemy. Alam sahib on his own took care of business himself, legend!
Great war. Pak defended it's territory with venom and jealously! Biggest tank battle in history of war took place when we bashed up the enemy. Alam sahib on his own took care of business himself, legend!
Great war? wars are never great son. Try asking those that fought in them. I never ever want to see another war with India ever again.
Great war in terms of how we defended the country. Soldiers sign up to fight and die for the country, it's part of their job. No one likes war however when thrust ed upon you a soldier has to fight.
No war is great..ask any soldier. And as a sharpshooter of Islam you should know that our Prophet PBUH was a pacifist who had to be persuaded to go to war..he hated it..you should learn something from it..
We have fought valiantly in every single war. We lost in 1971 only because it was strategic for Indians to block our transport to East Pak. We never were overthrown in power. In 1948, we captured a lot of area. Indians came and stopped us but also they were not able to recapture Kashmir which we took. In 1965, well i wont claim we win it but we also didnt lose. In the end both sides left each others captured areas. In 1999, it was again foolishness of Musharraf to start the war. We had the peace going and he inflicted the war on country. Then also our soldiers fought brilliantly. India did defended themselves but we also didnt lose. It was a stalemate yet again. Proud of our soldiers.
we lost 1971 in the East not the west. We are outnumbered 50-1 in the east and still fought valiantly against the odds. These are not my words but the words of field marshal Manekshaw the man who we surrendered to. We had no chance in Bangladesh and should have cut our losses a year or two ago. As for 1965 , sorry but we defended the country against a full scale invasion and that will always be a win for me. They did not have to invade our country but they did and we ended up in their country. By the end they failed to achieve anything..
<b>Then started the biggest tank battle in the world after second world war </b>-- nearly 500 Indian tanks advanced with 50,000 troops on Sialkot but were pushed back and defeated by the defenders of Sialkot alhamdolillah. My father being one of the gunners who blasted the Indian attack and supported the ground troops through artillery fire. On the other front, Lahore was also being defended with equal ferocity by our tigers.
Great war. Pak defended it's territory with venom and jealously! <b>Biggest tank battle in history of war took place when we bashed up the enemy.</b> Alam sahib on his own took care of business himself, legend!
You are referring to the Battle of Asal Uttar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar
Losing 99 tanks while destroying 10 Indian tanks certainly cannot be judged as a Pakistani victory.
People died, so the truth is that no one won. If you lose your son, it is no consolation that someone else also lost their son.
The battle is described as one the largest tank battles in history since the Battle of Kursk in World War II.
In the night, the Indian troops flooded the sugar cane field, and the next morning, the Pakistani tanks of the 1st Armoured Division, consisting mainly of M47 and M48 Patton tanks, were lured inside the horse-shoe trap. The swampy ground slowed the advance of the Pakistani tanks and many of them could not move because of the muddy slush. Over 100 Pakistani tanks mostly Pattons, and a few Shermans and Chaffees, were destroyed and another 40+ captured[8][9] while the Indians, by their account, lost only 10 tanks during this counter offensive.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar