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"Pakistan fans are amazing, that makes working with a country like that so rewarding": Mickey Arthur

Mickey Arthur speaking on Straight Drive during the first Australia vs Pakistan T20I:

"Babar does what he does, he scores runs. He played incredibly well today, proper cricket shots and that shows what makes a quality player. He takes toll on the bad balls and he runs hard"

"Rizzy came out with great intent, at 10/2 a partnership was needed. His intensity was up, to take his game to the next level he has to score more off the good ball, rotate strike"

"Australia would have won that at a canter"

"Very rusty, Mohammad Irfan. He didn't play much during my time and that was because we didn't think he was consistent enough in his areas and we saw that. He was both sides of the wicket, bowled a no-ball. Irfan gives you pace and bounce but is it sustainable over a long period of time? No. He's going to have to bowl very well to maintain his place in the side because he gives runs away in the field. If you're trying to establish a high performance culture, a fitness and disciplined culture, he doesn't give you that. He gives you x-factor, but is it sustainable? Not sure. The lengths he bowls are very good to domestic cricketers but international cricketers take toll on that.That's a dilemma Misbah and Waqar will face going forward"

"If I was coaching a batsman, I'd say you go deep in the crease for Irfan and look to hit him square because of the extra bounce. That played a bit with Irfan, we saw him miss his lengths. That makes Amir's job harder. Bowling in partnerships, we didn't see that at all"

"Pakistan showed a bit with the bat today, their intensity was good. Babar was outstanding, there was something for Rizwan to build on"

"Babar Azam is a true champion and in my opinion, one of the best batsmen in the world. Alongside Kohli, Williamson, Smith and Root, he sits comfortably in that crowd"

"We worked a lot on Babar for his ability outside the powerplay overs, to be able to work the ball around, manipulate the strike and maintain a healthy SR and he did that"

"Babar was always going to captain Pakistan, he's got a very good cricket brain. He's a lovely guy, he's a leader because he's the best player. Whether it was the right time, time will tell. I would've liked to see him getting groomed a bit more for captaincy, brought into the leadership group as a VC, brought into the meetings so that he was ready and well prepared for it. This is all possibly a bit too quick, for my liking. But don't get me wrong, he'll be a good captain in future and he's already an unbelievable batsman"

"Other candidates for captaincy assuming Sarfaraz Ahmed was removed: Imad Wasim would've come into the equation. Mohammad Amir has an unbelievable cricket brain, but possibly not in a captaincy role, maybe VC. A guy who I think is a genuine leader, everything he does tells me leader. He trains the house down. He's a forceful character, in a nice way and I don't think he'd be scared of hard decisions and people will shoot me down, but I think Shadab Khan has all the attributes of captaining Pakistan. Saifi would go to him a lot on the field in terms of getting angles right. He's very mature. That was another possibility. I get excited when we're talking about these guys captaining Pakistan, they're all young guys who have come through the ranks and are developing into quality intl. cricketers and that makes me happy. The more leaders Pakistan can have going forward, the better"

"Fakhar Zaman, if he has 10 innings, he can go well in 3 and he'll win you those games. He brings you something different. I'd bring Mohammad Hasnain in the next match to bowl in the middle overs and open with Imad and Amir"

"I still get messages on my phone from Pakistan fans, The support we got from fans, in England, around the world is phenomenal. Pakistan fans are amazing and that makes working with a country like that so rewarding"

"Fantastic people in Pakistan, I had a wonderful 3 years, it was amazing. 3 years that will stick with me forever"

"I get quite emotional when I talk about the team, to see these players developing into the players they are today, from young boys into men. The quality of those individuals, they are the finest young men I've had the privilege of working with, as a collective. It was humbling and I watch them with a massive fondness and I'll do that for the rest of my life"

"I would never say we got everything right, hopefully we got more right than wrong. I don't perceive to know everything, there will be a slight change. I would've loved to see the work continue with those guys"

"The talent is there, they have to keep grooming them. Make them secure in their roles, make them secure in the fact that you'll give them enough chances so that they don't go into self-preservation mode"

"Misbah will be good, he's a quality human being. He knows the game and Pakistan cricket inside out, I'm sure he'll work it out quick and he'll get that team going in the right direction"
 
Excellent comments from Mickey - the BA captaincy thing is a big risk - not the best series to get him upto speed.
 
He did love backing Sarfraz and Malik, no wonder.

Like all our ex-cricketers, he's a bitter jealous man who isn't happy with all the young selections and a new, deserving captain.
 
One of the few times pakistan has left a coach somewhat amicably, always helps when you bring home a trophy.
 
He did love backing Sarfraz and Malik, no wonder.

Like all our ex-cricketers, he's a bitter jealous man who isn't happy with all the young selections and a new, deserving captain.
Yes he sounded very bitter here.
"Fantastic people in Pakistan, I had a wonderful 3 years, it was amazing. 3 years that will stick with me forever"

"I get quite emotional when I talk about the team, to see these players developing into the players they are today, from young boys into men. The quality of those individuals, they are the finest young men I've had the privilege of working with, as a collective. It was humbling and I watch them with a massive fondness and I'll do that for the rest of my life"

"Misbah will be good, he's a quality human being. He knows the game and Pakistan cricket inside out, I'm sure he'll work it out quick and he'll get that team going in the right direction"
 
He did love backing Sarfraz and Malik, no wonder.

Like all our ex-cricketers, he's a bitter jealous man who isn't happy with all the young selections and a new, deserving captain.

Which dialect of English do you speak? Where in the whole thing did it imply he was jealous (in normal english at least)?
 
Mickey still is passionate about Pakistan Cricket...

I hope he coaches us again in the future.
 
I think a seperate thread could be made where we can talk about how a foreign coach who got fired speaks to media with comparison to how our local players who retire and talk to the media.

Good responses, loved reading it.

If this was some Pakistani, hhe would had bashed everyone and cried how he was wronged.
 
I think a seperate thread could be made where we can talk about how a foreign coach who got fired speaks to media with comparison to how our local players who retire and talk to the media.

Good responses, loved reading it.

If this was some Pakistani, hhe would had bashed everyone and cried how he was wronged.

Quite a few examples...
 
Mickey always made good comments but that cant hide the fact of record loosing streak in ODIs and only winning 2 tests in last 2 years under him. Talking about grooming captain, how well the Mickey groomed Sarfaraz? Sarfaraz was doing the same antics Mickey was doing in the dressing room and that was the outburst of emotions without any real result on the field.
 
Its not been a long time but clearly fans already miss him.

Misbah can only dream of doing proper cricketing analysis and breaking down defeats like Arthur used to.

Typical Misbah is "credit to the opposition, played really well" "we got outclassed in all departments" "we didn't get partnerships/wickets at the right time" etc etc

Really hurts to see us celebrating a washout that helped avoid defeat.
 
Its not been a long time but clearly fans already miss him.

Misbah can only dream of doing proper cricketing analysis and breaking down defeats like Arthur used to.

Many decent experts can do that also but, coach’e job is to implement all the thoughts on the team as well which I dont think Mickey did successfully. Not saying Misbah is a saviour or something but that doesnt mean Mickey didnt deserve to go. His job wasnt of analyzing things for press conferences rather for the team and actually implementing them to produce some results.
 
Miles better then shameless duo of misbah and waqar is hope we sack these clowns and replace them with mickey. At least he won't pick irfan.
 
11 consecutive losses in ODIs and loosing everything in tests in last 2 years except 2 matches. Mickey’s comments unfortunately didnt back the performances he brought in as a coach as any random guy could have done such a job but obviously with not such analysis of defeat which only an expert coach can do. :smith
 
Many decent experts can do that also but, coach’e job is to implement all the thoughts on the team as well which I dont think Mickey did successfully. Not saying Misbah is a saviour or something but that doesnt mean Mickey didnt deserve to go. His job wasnt of analyzing things for press conferences rather for the team and actually implementing them to produce some results.

The only series that I think Mickey failed in tactically were the NZ tour and the Asia Cup.
Tests weren't too good as well

These were the only 2 points against Mickey. On the other hand he took our LOI sides a level higher than before. Our T20 team was ruthless and the ODI side was getting recognised for being fit and playing modern attacking cricket with high frequency of 300+ scores (we almost chased 370 in that ENG series before WC). We barely missed out on the SF due to pathetic RR rule otherwise H2H we had beaten both NZ and ENG. All this with Malik and Hafeez as the only oldies but even they had a match-winning performance every once in a while.

We could've persisted with Mickey a bit more and I'm almost certain that we would have improved in Tests too.

Now we're stuck with the legendary duo from the 2015 WC disaster.
 
Mickey realises Misbah won't last long. Already starting the appease the gallery tactics.
 
The only series that I think Mickey failed in tactically were the NZ tour and the Asia Cup.
Tests weren't too good as well

These were the only 2 points against Mickey. On the other hand he took our LOI sides a level higher than before. Our T20 team was ruthless and the ODI side was getting recognised for being fit and playing modern attacking cricket with high frequency of 300+ scores (we almost chased 370 in that ENG series before WC). We barely missed out on the SF due to pathetic RR rule otherwise H2H we had beaten both NZ and ENG. All this with Malik and Hafeez as the only oldies but even they had a match-winning performance every once in a while.

We could've persisted with Mickey a bit more and I'm almost certain that we would have improved in Tests too.

Now we're stuck with the legendary duo from the 2015 WC disaster.

I totally agree regarding T20s part. In ODIs we were only able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in a series along with CT 17 victory. To be honest many coaches before and even after Mickey will be able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in ODIs however I think more than that is needed. While on paper it looks like going from 8 to 6 (Our position when Mickey left) a jump but actually its nothing more than swapping places with Srl and BD who deteriorated during this time period considering where they stood in 2016 and we obviously improved a but but only enough to beat team below 5th ranking.
 
Mickey realises Misbah won't last long. Already starting the appease the gallery tactics.

An art he adapted by understanding Pak media and people. Guy says the right things and even touches the heart on occasions.
 
Personally feel Pakistan has the talent to do well in all three formats and I don’t trust the coaching brains trust to get it right.
 
Personally feel Pakistan has the talent to do well in all three formats and I don’t trust the coaching brains trust to get it right.

I share the same feelings. Last decade of Pak cricket is defined with match fixing saga of 2010 creating a vacuum for quite a few years and lack of leadership with Waqar as head coach for 4-5 hears and then Azhar Ali as ODI captain and then combo of Sarfaraz and Mickey. I am saving my judgements regarding Misbah as it would be too early to pass any. In all the good eras we had a strong captain.

Some of the young cricketers of Pak are pretty talented and just need someone like Babar to grow as a leader and a coach who can guide them.
 
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I totally agree regarding T20s part. In ODIs we were only able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in a series along with CT 17 victory. To be honest many coaches before and even after Mickey will be able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in ODIs however I think more than that is needed. While on paper it looks like going from 8 to 6 (Our position when Mickey left) a jump but actually its nothing more than swapping places with Srl and BD who deteriorated during this time period considering where they stood in 2016 and we obviously improved a but but only enough to beat team below 5th ranking.
I think the odi team had improved. We had more 300 scores in the last 18 months than any time in our history. That we lost a lot of those games was because we had Hafeez and Malik underperforming at critical moments. Our World Cup was derailed by one game against the windies.

Indeed one the biggest positives of mickeys legacy will be (I hope) that we don’t see Malik or Hafeez international cricket again. But then it’s Misbah, so I am not sure.
 
I think the odi team had improved. We had more 300 scores in the last 18 months than any time in our history. That we lost a lot of those games was because we had Hafeez and Malik underperforming at critical moments. Our World Cup was derailed by one game against the windies.

Indeed one the biggest positives of mickeys legacy will be (I hope) that we don’t see Malik or Hafeez international cricket again. But then it’s Misbah, so I am not sure.

I agree that in terms of batting certain aspects of our team definitely improved under him with. PSL gave Sharjeel and then Fakhar at the top and credit to Mickey for fully backing them and Inzi for selecting them along with the emergence of Babar Azam. Now with Fakhar/Sharjeel, Imam, Babar and Haris our ODI batting looked pretty settled in top 4. Problem is power hitting in the middle overs which is what we are lacking in T20s as well along with pacers being able to bowl basic line and lengths.
 
I think a seperate thread could be made where we can talk about how a foreign coach who got fired speaks to media with comparison to how our local players who retire and talk to the media.

Good responses, loved reading it.

If this was some Pakistani, hhe would had bashed everyone and cried how he was wronged.

Mickey was not fired.
 
Miles better then shameless duo of misbah and waqar is hope we sack these clowns and replace them with mickey. At least he won't pick irfan.

The reality is that when he was coaching many couldn't wait to get rid. I am not a big fan of coaches in cricket per se, I think talent spotters are more valuable along with playing opportunities against good quality opposition on good wickets.
 
Mickey still is passionate about Pakistan Cricket...

I hope he coaches us again in the future.

I think he will, but I think he will want more control if he was to do it again.
 
I miss Mickey. He has been a great advert for Pakistan cricket and really gave his all to the job. I don't see Misbah being an improvement on him.
 
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No surprise to see you lot (as Misbah’s loyalists) still somehow find way to bash Mickey, who hasn’t shown any sour grapes/victim mentality of any sort (like our ex-players typically do), despite being on the receiving end of a despicable conflict of interest episode that was instigated by your beloved hero. Let’s not mince any words here, Misbah stabbed Mickey in the back whilst he was a PCB committee member.

Even after all this, Mickey has nothing but good things to say about Misbah, Pakistan’s team and their fans, yet choose to make all kinds of unsavoury remarks and take pot shots at him.

Just accept the fact that the man you champion has failure written all over him. 80% of those who voted on PP (including myself) were against his appointment prior to PCB’s blunder (in actually opting for him) because common sense dictates that a man who was a tactical failure during his captaincy days, whilst also compounded by the fact that he holds no professional experience as well as any qualifications is simply doomed to fail!

The results so far have already proved to be worse than Mickey’s team and it’s only going to get more embarrassing for him, the longer he stays in the role.

At the end of the day I guess fans like you deserve all the humiliation that awaits for Misbah.
 
In response to [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] , [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] and [MENTION=148759]HappyWarsFan[/MENTION]

No surprise to see you lot (as Misbah’s loyalists) still somehow find way to bash Mickey, who hasn’t shown any sour grapes/victim mentality of any sort (like our ex-players typically do), despite being on the receiving end of a despicable conflict of interest episode that was instigated by your beloved hero. Let’s not mince any words here, Misbah stabbed Mickey in the back whilst he was a PCB committee member.

Even after all this, Mickey has nothing but good things to say about Misbah, Pakistan’s team and their fans, yet choose to make all kinds of unsavoury remarks and take pot shots at him.

Just accept the fact that the man you champion has failure written all over him. 80% of those who voted on PP (including myself) were against his appointment prior to PCB’s blunder (in actually opting for him) because common sense dictates that a man who was a tactical failure during his captaincy days, whilst also compounded by the fact that he holds no professional experience as well as any qualifications is simply doomed to fail!

The results so far have already proved to be worse than Mickey’s team and it’s only going to get more embarrassing for him, the longer he stays in the role.

At the end of the day I guess fans like you deserve all the humiliation that awaits for Misbah.

I not a blind fan of anyone as you can see from the fact that I have criticized Imran Khan snr selection and also accepeted the fact that Irfan’s selection made no sense.

However, is there anything factually incorrect which I wrote about Mickey? If writing truth about someone backed with facts is being loyalist to someone else than I dont know what to say.
 
Mickey always made good comments but that cant hide the fact of record loosing streak in ODIs and only winning 2 tests in last 2 years under him. Talking about grooming captain, how well the Mickey groomed Sarfaraz? Sarfaraz was doing the same antics Mickey was doing in the dressing room and that was the outburst of emotions without any real result on the field.

Many decent experts can do that also but, coach’e job is to implement all the thoughts on the team as well which I dont think Mickey did successfully. Not saying Misbah is a saviour or something but that doesnt mean Mickey didnt deserve to go. His job wasnt of analyzing things for press conferences rather for the team and actually implementing them to produce some results.

11 consecutive losses in ODIs and loosing everything in tests in last 2 years except 2 matches. Mickey’s comments unfortunately didnt back the performances he brought in as a coach as any random guy could have done such a job but obviously with not such analysis of defeat which only an expert coach can do. :smith

I totally agree regarding T20s part. In ODIs we were only able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in a series along with CT 17 victory. To be honest many coaches before and even after Mickey will be able to beat Srl, WI and Zim in ODIs however I think more than that is needed. While on paper it looks like going from 8 to 6 (Our position when Mickey left) a jump but actually its nothing more than swapping places with Srl and BD who deteriorated during this time period considering where they stood in 2016 and we obviously improved a but but only enough to beat team below 5th ranking.
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]. What is factually incorrect in what I have mentioned?
 
He did love backing Sarfraz and Malik, no wonder.

Like all our ex-cricketers, he's a bitter jealous man who isn't happy with all the young selections and a new, deserving captain.

Bitter? Can you point out just one thing he said that came across as bitter?
 
We badly miss him , even though he was tactically inept its still better than Misbah , I want Mickey back with a proper spin coach.
 
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]. What is factually incorrect in what I have mentioned?

All I see is bitter pot shots. This thread wasn't about Mickey's performance as Head Coach but you still found a convenient window to belittle him.

If you were critical of Misbah's appointment and performance as a Head Coach and Chief Selector like 80% of the forum see it, you would realise by now that Mickey Arthur's flaws barely scratch the surface in comparison to what is Misbah is doing to Pakistan cricket.
 
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All I see is bitter pot shots. This thread wasn't about Mickey's performance as Head Coach but you still found a convenient window to belittle him.

If you were critical of Misbah's appointment and performance as a Head Coach and Chief Selector like 80% of the forum see it, you would realise by now that Mickey Arthur's flaws barely scratch the surface in comparison to what is Misbah is doing to Pakistan cricket.

My point was for those die hard Mickey fans would ho couldnt look past his press conferences and the right things he said.

Again Misbah’s appointment being good or bad has nothing to do with Mickey’s performances.
 
Mickey made Zilch impact even at KK. According to reports, KK will not be retaining him as coach and that is justified because after all what does he have to show for himself. Mickey just talks, that is all he is good at.
 
Mickey always made good comments but that cant hide the fact of record loosing streak in ODIs and only winning 2 tests in last 2 years under him. Talking about grooming captain, how well the Mickey groomed Sarfaraz? Sarfaraz was doing the same antics Mickey was doing in the dressing room and that was the outburst of emotions without any real result on the field.

11 consecutive losses in ODIs and loosing everything in tests in last 2 years except 2 matches. Mickey’s comments unfortunately didnt back the performances he brought in as a coach as any random guy could have done such a job but obviously with not such analysis of defeat which only an expert coach can do. :smith

Your posts are far too sensible and factual to be understood by Mickey Arthur fans.

It's useless to argue with them. To some extent it's not their fault, Mickey was a master with words, knew how to make people happy, with ZERO performances.


Bitter? Can you point out just one thing he said that came across as bitter?

The thread title at that time was different. He's not happy with Babar being made the captain, at least not in its favor. He did like his experienced oldies.
 
Mickey made Zilch impact even at KK. According to reports, KK will not be retaining him as coach and that is justified because after all what does he have to show for himself. Mickey just talks, that is all he is good at.



Mickey loved playing to the gallery, and is doing to this day.

He has been fired from all his previous major coaching jobs. There's a reason for that. ZERO actual performances mean you will get fired.

"We're a proud team and we hate losing" - Mickey Arthur.

It doesn't matter how sweet your words are. Be it Karachi Kings or the Pakistan team, first time in decades we become so horrendous in Tests (most significant thing) and ODIs.

SA stint was a credit to their ATG players, so many of them in one team.
 
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Your posts are far too sensible and factual to be understood by Mickey Arthur fans.

It's useless to argue with them. To some extent it's not their fault, Mickey was a master with words, knew how to make people happy, with ZERO performances.




The thread title at that time was different. He's not happy with Babar being made the captain, at least not in its favor. He did like his experienced oldies.

He's not happy with Babar being captain because he thinks he isn't ready for it. What does that have to do with him being bitter? And if he 'loves his experienced oldies', why is his strongest recommendation for captaincy Shadab Khan?

Not really adding up here.
 
He's not happy with Babar being captain because he thinks he isn't ready for it. What does that have to do with him being bitter? And if he 'loves his experienced oldies', why is his strongest recommendation for captaincy Shadab Khan?

Not really adding up here.

Why would anyone recommend Shadab for captaincy? What skills or credentials does he have, and is his position secure in the team? Babar has even captained in Aus in the u19 days.

Experienced oldies because he stuck with the Big 3, even took Malik to the WC.
 
Irfan shouldn't play for Pakistan, ever.

And thanks for CT Mickey! Unforgettable phainta to India!

So your getting your tails in a twist over 1 bad ever Irfan bowled? He should play the next 2 games and see how he does. You can't be so knee jerk and shake the teams confidrnce by axing after 1 game. Give him the whole series then make a call.
 
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Why would anyone recommend Shadab for captaincy? What skills or credentials does he have, and is his position secure in the team? Babar has even captained in Aus in the u19 days.

Experienced oldies because he stuck with the Big 3, even took Malik to the WC.

The point was that why would he recommend Shadab for captaincy if he wanted to make a senior the captain, which is what you alluded to... His rationale for Shadab being a captaincy contender was his attitude and behaviour. Mickey is from the school of thought which clearly looks for leadership qualities in players, rather than looking for performing players who can serve as captains. I think that's a mistake, because having a non-performing captain is counter-productive.

Regarding continuing with Malik and Hafeez, this goes against what he did in his previous tenures and I'm still confused as to why he did that. Judging by his attitude during conversations, he seems like a smart enough guy to know that someone like Haris is a much better batsman than someone like Malik, and he rated Haris highly too. Desis are generally the ones who value seniority above other factors while foreigners are more likely to let go quicker... Considering that he recommended the dual Chief Selector and Head Coach role during his departure, it's possible that Inzi was the one pushing for the selections of the likes of Malik. But Mickey should have benched him, regardless.
 
If Mickey Arthur was still coach of Pakistan side I'd probably be following this series.

Wish Mickey had been given atleast some input for selection. Absolutely sure he would've introduced a lot of genuine talents for Pakistan cricket instead of Imam and Wahab. Chief selector Inzamam nepotism and interference ruined Arthur's stint as well as Pakistan team.
 
The point was that why would he recommend Shadab for captaincy if he wanted to make a senior the captain, which is what you alluded to... His rationale for Shadab being a captaincy contender was his attitude and behaviour. Mickey is from the school of thought which clearly looks for leadership qualities in players, rather than looking for performing players who can serve as captains. I think that's a mistake, because having a non-performing captain is counter-productive.

Regarding continuing with Malik and Hafeez, this goes against what he did in his previous tenures and I'm still confused as to why he did that. Judging by his attitude during conversations, he seems like a smart enough guy to know that someone like Haris is a much better batsman than someone like Malik, and he rated Haris highly too. Desis are generally the ones who value seniority above other factors while foreigners are more likely to let go quicker... Considering that he recommended the dual Chief Selector and Head Coach role during his departure, it's possible that Inzi was the one pushing for the selections of the likes of Malik. But Mickey should have benched him, regardless.


Both the points you raise here indicate his ineptness and lack of any sound tactics.

Some of his fans try to argue Mickey did not want Malik, but it was Mickey who actually backed and played Malik, even in the world cup starting XI.

I haven't even gotten to how his tactical blunders kept making us lose Test matches, no spinners, focus on railu-katta all-rounders not good at any one good thing, et al.

And at the end of the day:

"We're a proud team and hate losing".
 
So your getting your tails in a twist over 1 bad ever Irfan bowled? He should play the next 2 games and see how he does. You can't be so knee jerk and shake the teams confidrnce by axing after 1 game. Give him the whole series then make a call.

It's "you are" or "you're". I am also learning English, not trying to be an English snob!

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https://www.espressoenglish.net/difference-between-your-and-youre/

Someone show this guy Irfan's last 20 international games' stats plz.
 
Both the points you raise here indicate his ineptness and lack of any sound tactics.

Some of his fans try to argue Mickey did not want Malik, but it was Mickey who actually backed and played Malik, even in the world cup starting XI.

I haven't even gotten to how his tactical blunders kept making us lose Test matches, no spinners, focus on railu-katta all-rounders not good at any one good thing, et al.

And at the end of the day:

"We're a proud team and hate losing".

There is no doubt that he had a problem with spinners and didn't know how to deal with them. Focus on all-rounders isn't a bad thing, but the investment in Faheem went on for too long with little to show for it.

You are focusing exclusively on his weaknesses, which most people accept. But that's not how it works, you have to keep everything in perspective. Let's see how Misbah goes, he will have his own weak points. Playing Pakistan's oldest pacer (Irfan at 37) since Imran Khan (in 1992) isn't a great start.
 
There is no doubt that he had a problem with spinners and didn't know how to deal with them. Focus on all-rounders isn't a bad thing, but the investment in Faheem went on for too long with little to show for it.

You are focusing exclusively on his weaknesses, which most people accept. But that's not how it works, you have to keep everything in perspective. Let's see how Misbah goes, he will have his own weak points. Playing Pakistan's oldest pacer (Irfan at 37) since Imran Khan (in 1992) isn't a great start.
You make good points. However I want people to give Misbah a chance. At least 1 year. Talk of sacking him if he fails in Aus is ridiculous.
 
Your posts are far too sensible and factual to be understood by Mickey Arthur fans.

It's useless to argue with them. To some extent it's not their fault, Mickey was a master with words, knew how to make people happy, with ZERO performances.




The thread title at that time was different. He's not happy with Babar being made the captain, at least not in its favor. He did like his experienced oldies.
Yes Misbah is making us so proud so far when it comes to performances. In four games he has managed to reduce the number one ranked team in the world to a laughing stock. We would understand if it was just the team performing below par and losing, but the guy is intent on making blunder after blunder and get offended at press conferences when people ask him brutal questions.

Babar is unfortunate to have Misbah as head coach. Enough said.
 
Your posts are far too sensible and factual to be understood by Mickey Arthur fans.

It's useless to argue with them. To some extent it's not their fault, Mickey was a master with words, knew how to make people happy, with ZERO performances.
What zero performances ?

Under Mickey we went from 9th in ODI rankings struggling to even qualify for 2019 World Cup, to finishing 5th place in the World Cup losing out to NZ only on NRR, and won our first global 50 over trophy since 1992.

He also successfully integrated a whole host of youngsters and kicked out much of the deadwood.

We improved in every metric in ODI and T20 cricket. This is our record vs the teams that participated in the 2019 WC:

Mickey:
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Waqar:
Waqar Younis stats.jpg
 
What zero performances ?

Under Mickey we went from 9th in ODI rankings struggling to even qualify for 2019 World Cup, to finishing 5th place in the World Cup losing out to NZ only on NRR, and won our first global 50 over trophy since 1992.

He also successfully integrated a whole host of youngsters and kicked out much of the deadwood.

We improved in every metric in ODI and T20 cricket. This is our record vs the teams that participated in the 2019 WC:

Mickey:
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Waqar:
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Waqar and Mickey arent only available head coaches in the world. Jump from 8 or 9 to 6 is based upon beating WI, Srl, and Zim. Also that 8th 9th position was for a very small period of time after we lost to BD in 2015. Also Waqar isnt the head coach so I dont think the comparison is valid anymore.

WC 2019 was decent and CT17 was good but bilateral and Asia cup were pretty poor.

Also comparison can only be valid if one takes into account the available players to the coaches otherwise John Bucannan in comparison to Mickey Arther for Aus, Miandad and Intikhab Alam in comparison to Waqar and Mickey for Pakistan will look like legendary coaches.
 
I have always maintained that Mickey is the second best coach of Pakistan after Bobby Woolmer and Inzi is the best chief selector we ever have had. Najam Sethi really put up one of the best team management in his reign.
 
Misbah, let's face it, was a pathetic selection as head coach and selector. Now we have to hope for the best and hope that his influence is mitigated by guys like Babar and Azhar. I don't see his tenure lasting too long though!
 
Mickey on Day 1 of AUSvPAK 1st Test:

"Shan Masood and Azhar Ali were outstanding and did what Pakistan needed in the first session, but Australia bounced back and dominated the 2nd session and knocked the stuffing out of Pakistan. Rizwan came out and played some wonderful shots and got a shocking decision which changed the tempo of the game. Yasir 'Ricky Ponting' Shah came to the fore with Asad Shafiq. That's a nickname the team has given him, he loves it. He's got a bit of swagger. The partnership with Shafiq was amazing"

"A lot of credit to Asad Shafiq who was amazing. He got forward, got back, he was outstanding and held the Pakistan innings together today. He's always wanted to go up the order and take more responsibility so it was good to see that"

"Australia will go to bed very happy, it looked a very good Gabba wicket. The Gabba is one of the best wickets to bat on in Australia"

"Yasir Shah is a proper character, he adds a massive amount to any dressing room. He's always got a smile, up to something, a mischief maker, he's fantastic"

"Rizwan did a wonderful job in counter attacking and taking Pakistan to a position where they are still in the game at 240. He batted really well and gave Pakistan the initiative"

(Rizwan dismissal) "I can't believe it, that is just a no-ball. There's no part of the boot behind the line. The batsman gets the benefit of the line. In my opinion, that's an error by Michael Gough"

"I might have got a couple of demerit points there, I would've been racing straight to the match referee's office and making my views known. It doesn't help anybody but I would've gotten it off my chest"

"When Haris Sohail walked out, his body language said it wasn't going to happen. In the A game, he got out twice in the same way. He's an incredible player and will make significant contributions to Pakistan in future. When he's playing well, there's nobody better to watch. But he's getting caught on the crease, getting out to the short ball. He's thinking back and his back foot isn't making any movement to cover the off stump and he flays away with his bat which leaves him open to nicking to the slips cordon"

"Babar loves batting, he will try to reset his red-ball cricket and his game plans. In Australia especially, you have to be strong for your first 20 balls. They set up the innings for you. Babar was far too loose, once he gets through those 20 balls, he gets a feel of the conditions and the bowling and he's hard to get out. He has to give himself the best opportunity to get in"
 
Mickey is like one of those roadside psychics and fortune tellers that persuades people by exploiting their emotional vulnerabilities, gently telling what they want to hear and tricks them into buying stones and other stuff.
 
Indore, Jan 8 (PTI) Veteran coach Mickey Arthur has stressed on the importance of understanding "team culture" as a foreigner and building the side around it, something he could not understand with Australia but is in the process of doing so with Sri Lanka, his fourth international coaching assignment.

The 51-year-old started his journey as an international coach with native South Africa, taking the Proteas to the number one spot in Tests during his tenure from 2005 to 2010. It was under him that South Africa won their maiden Test series in Australia.

His next assignment with Australia from 2010 to 2013 did not end on a pleasant note as he was sacked in the wake of "homework gate" scandal during the 2013 tour of India. Arthur then guided Pakistan to the 2017 Champions Trophy title and it was under him they flourished as a T20 unit.

"I love experiencing different cultures. South Africa was different to Australia and Australia was totally different to Pakistan. And Pakistan is different to Sri lanka in so many ways. That is one of the challenges of coaching, that''s what makes it so special," said Arthur following Sri Lanka''s seven-wicket loss to India here on Tuesday.

However, PCB did not renew his contract following the 2019 World Cup, where Pakistan narrowly missed out on a semi-final berth.

Arthur was appointed Sri Lanka coach last month on a two-year contract. Having gained rich experience in international coaching, Arthur says he has learnt his lessons.

"Getting in and building a team that is representative of that culture, and that is the most important thing, that the culture comes first. That is probably something I got wrong with Australia.

"As long as you''ve got good players, selfless players, players that play and are committed to a cause. As long as you''ve got those guys, you can achieve great things. And I think in the Sri Lankan dressing room, we have got those players."

Arthur has taken over a team that has been struggling ever since the likes of Mahela Jayawardene and Kumar Sangakkara retired. He acknowledged it being a massive challenge.

"I told the boys in the dressing room that we have got to go to the 2020 World Cup (T20), qualify… We first have to qualify to get into the main draw and that is the reality of where we are at," he said, referring to Sri Lanka''s seventh rank.

"The exciting thing for me though is that there is a very young core group of players and they are very skilled. But we need to coach game plans, match awareness,

"Pakistan was a team that was ranked No.9 in T20 cricket and we got Pakistan to win 11 series in a row -- we did not play India -- and got ourselves to No 1 in the world. There were good values because we used the sum of our parts. And that is kind of what I see with Sri Lanka.

"It is going to be a challenge, we''ve got eight months to that 2020 World Cup, I am thinking even one World Cup further than that -- I am thinking (about) coming back here in 2021 when the guys would be a real finished article, but it is going to take a lot of work."

Another side which has been struggling since the retirement of senior players is South Africa. However, Arthur sees them bouncing back under the new management comprising the likes of Graeme Smith and Mark Boucher.

"...those with whom I was intricately involved with during my time in coaching -- Jacques Kallis Charl Langaveldt, Paul Harris -- it is good to see them back and I certainly think they are going to make a massive difference to South African cricket," he said.

Asked whether the quotas for coloured players is affecting South Africa cricket, Arthur said it can''t be used as an excuse anymore.

"It was something that had to happen. We can''t keep using that as an excuse because players that are playing now, are playing on merit. You can look at the Rugby World Cup winning team, every player starts playing.

"(Kagiso) Rabada and those guys are playing because they are the best players. I think South African cricket is past that now."

Commenting on Sri Lanka''s batting performance against India in the second T20, the South African said the visiting team has a long way to go.

"...we have got some serious work to do in terms of game-plan, match awareness and playing the big moments. I think we had 49 dot balls tonight, which is too many, as the best teams in the world (would) have 25 dot balls.

"There is too many big shots without the ability to keep rotating the strike. If you cut those 49 (dot balls) by 24 then you have got another 24 to score off, and with strike rotation you put the bowlers off a little bit.

"You (may) get a bad ball, an extra boundary, and suddenly we are up to 170. And with that you can challenge the likes of a very good Indian team," he explained. PTI ** PM PM

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...tant-in-international-coaching-arthur/1702972
 
Interesting to see Mickey's views on Babar as captain in post #1

Wonder if he has same opinion now?
 
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