Pakistan government vs the army - The relation afterwards?

[Major]

Govt was planning on to deploy army, army clearly said no to the GOVT, it refused to carry on its constitutional duty.

Thus, they werr made to make a report that top civil and military brass are consider peacful negotiation.

Till now this was enough proof of their involment.

Govt then had to go to Rangers and asked them to take over.

Soon after a week or so this will obviously be over.

Question is, how will the govt and military continue after this.

Bilalwal showed his support to democracy, while immy as always acted like a typical oppurtunist he is

 

[sjahmed23]

It was government's own doing, why should the army be dragged into every mess the so-called government makes? PMLN knew what it was doing.

 

[Bewal Express]

Govt was planning on to deploy army, army clearly said no to the GOVT, it refused to carry on its constitutional duty.

Thus, they werr made to make a report that top civil and military brass are consider peacful negotiation.

Till now this was enough proof of their involment.

Govt then had to go to Rangers and asked them to take over.

Soon after a week or so this will obviously be over.

Question is, how will the govt and military continue after this.

Bilalwal showed his support to democracy, while immy as always acted like a typical oppurtunist he is

So any self respecting PM should sack the army chief. If he cant do it, he should dissolve the govt and fight an election on that platform. But you Nooras wont do that because the govt is only concerned with saving the arrse of a crooked ex PM, nothing else matters. Btw why should IK stand with crooks who dont obey the SC or any PK laws. Their own wealth is abroad and only come to rule. IK should never stand with these crooks.

 

[maxamax]

I dont think that there will be afterwards. Its about saving their lives for them now.
Extremely poor way to handle to entire condition. Made a mountain out of nothing.

Army cheif should not have supported mob's stance like that though. He did at multiple spots.

 

[Bewal Express]

Where is the so called PM in this crisis.

 

[King-Misbah]

Where is the so called PM in this crisis.

He was last seen at Jati Umra with his prime minister

 

[GujjarLife]

All state institutions should have stood together - with support from political parties in opposition. Instead the military threw the government under the bus. The end result is that barelvi molvis won and the Pakistani state lost.

 

[Syed1]

All state institutions should have stood together - with support from political parties in opposition. Instead the military threw the government under the bus. The end result is that barelvi molvis won and the Pakistani state lost.

Please explain to me how did this happen?

 

[Pakistanian]

It's the cops job to deal with donestic issues, nobody ever asked for US troops to ve deployed during Charlottesville and other domestic crisises, the military's duty is to protect the borders not police the streets lmao.

 

[Saeed]

All state institutions should have stood together - with support from political parties in opposition. Instead the military threw the government under the bus.

Good thing they didn’t. Hopefully all will end peacefully in few days.

 

[King-Misbah]

All state institutions should have stood together - with support from political parties in opposition. Instead the military threw the government under the bus. The end result is that barelvi molvis won and the Pakistani state lost.

The government through itself under a bus that it itself rented.

 

[waleed88]

It's the cops job to deal with donestic issues, nobody ever asked for US troops to ve deployed during Charlottesville and other domestic crisises, the military's duty is to protect the borders not police the streets lmao.

Block all roads going to Washington DC for 3 weeks and then see

 

[Pakistanian]

Block all roads going to Washington DC for 3 weeks and then see

Swat teams and maybe the national guard would be enough to deal with that.

 

[Syed1]

Block all roads going to Washington DC for 3 weeks and then see

In Washington DC the government will mobilize the law enforcement agencies by the third day of protests and not let it fester for three weeks. You cannot hamper public life with your protests in civilized countries.

 

[waleed88]

In Washington DC the government will mobilize the law enforcement agencies by the third day of protests and not let it fester for three weeks. You cannot hamper public life with your protests in civilized countries.

Yes but if the roads were somehow blocked for 3 weeks, and it was ISIS blocking these roads somehow, Army would definitely come in.

 

[waleed88]

Swat teams and maybe the national guard would be enough to deal with that.

Yes they would be enough, but that would never happen because protestors never even think of doing that in their wildest dreams. Over here any tom dick and harry can bring a few thousand people and block the city from their day to day lives with no respect for law and order trying to bring the government down.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yes but if the roads were somehow blocked for 3 weeks, and it was ISIS blocking these roads somehow, Army would definitely come in.

No they won't, look up the Waco siege or the siege of Ruby Ridge. They would use Swat teams, rangers, oe national guards to deal with domeatic terrorism. The military would never step in.

 

[waleed88]

No they won't, look up the Waco siege or the siege of Ruby Ridge. They would use Swat teams, rangers, oe national guards to deal with domeatic terrorism. The military would never step in.

The United States Army Rangers are an elite rapid-deployment military formation of the United States Army, that serve in designated U.S. Army Ranger units or are graduates from the U.S. Army Ranger School.[1] The term ranger has been in use unofficially in a military context since the early 17th century. The first military company officially commissioned as rangers were English soldiers fighting in King Philip's War (1676) and from there the term came into common official use in the French and Indian Wars. There have been American military companies officially called Rangers since the American Revolution.

Point is they come under the army. Which is what I was referring to

 

[WebGuru]

Any comment on this 150th meeting btw Shehbaz and COAS? Shehbaz met COAS to eat Biryani?

 

[Markhor]

Nobody comes out with any credit from this sordid affair. PMLN government yet again fail to deliver competent governance in delaying action for so long that greater force was needed ultimately. Then a police operation was announced without any planning, and unsurprisingly the underequipped police took a beating from the mob. There was no need to call in Army if the police did their job.

PMLN hypocritically blasted the "mistake" in the Election Act after the mullahs kicked off when they rammed the bill through parliament themselves ! Zahid Hamid was ultimately thrown under the bus to pacify the mobs whereas Ahsan Iqbal remains in a job.

The Army COAS made a poor statement which equated government and protesters, reminding me of Trump's "both sides" remarks after Charlottesville. In which developed country does an Army COAS tell its PM to adopt "peaceful measures" when protesters in your own capital had kidnapped police officers, killed a policeman, assaulted police/FC officers and ignored a Court order despite multiple rounds of fruitless negotiations ?

Eventually cheques were handed out to a group who in their list of demands asked Government to hand them a list of all public officials who may be suspected to be from Ahmedi community. Sickening.

I also found PTI's statement extremely disappointing. Not a single condemnation of these violent lawbreakers who were described as terrorists by IHC. They themselves sat on the parliamentary committee overseeing the Election Act. They may have not voted for it but the idea this didn't come up in Parliament is wrong. There were 34 members on that committee who held 26 meetings, and a subcommittee who held 93 meetings and not ONCE did anyone complain about Khatam-e-Nabuwwat. It was TLY who decided to create a storm in a teacup for votes.

There was no hidden conspiracy, the oath WASN'T removed as that liar Rizvi and his followers say and the only reason the wording of the oath changed was because the Election Act COMBINED MULTIPLE oaths together from eight different pieces of legislation. Has any politician said this ?

Ultimately, as [MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] argued in another thread, Pakistanis are too emotional about religion and the clerics know that hence their street power. Misguided anger and fury has replaced fact and reason. Any self-styled guardian of Islam can now whip up a mob into a frenzy, hold a city hostage and get government ministers to resign. Is it any wonder after decades of the political and military rulers coopting the mullah class to achieve strategic objectives ?

The political parties will continue appeasing the religious mobs whilst the military is trying to "mainstream" the likes of LET and LEJ into political parties like Milli Muslim League and ASWJ. People will suggest education, economic empowerment etc etc but right now its hard to see this changing. The mullahs won again.