Pakistan growth too slow to improve living standards - World Bank

[Devadwal]

According to the World Bank, Pakistan's economic growth is too slow to improve the living standards of the people.


The Pakistani economy has failed, especially in comparison with its neighbour India - Financial Times:

In 1980, Pakistan’s per-capita GDP was 55% higher than India’s.

By 2030, it will be about 55% lower.

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Pedestrians at a textile market in Faisalabad, Punjab, Pakistan.Photographer: Asad Zaidi/Bloomberg

Pakistan's economy is expanding too slowly to improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

The nation's economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, which remains far short of the pace needed to absorb new entrants joining the labor force.

The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.
Pakistan’s economy is expanding too slowly to meaningfully improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

“Business as usual is not good for the economy,” Mukhtar Ul Hasan, an economist at the World Bank, said in a briefing in Islamabad. “Pakistan’s growth potential has been declining for decades” due to weak competitiveness, limited reforms, and recurring crises, Hasan, the lead author of a report on the country’s economy, said.

The nation’s economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, according to the World Bank. The expansion remains far short of the pace needed to absorb the 1.6 million new entrants joining the labor force each year, said Hasan. Pakistan’s central bank expects growth to be in the upper half of a range of 3.25%-4.25%.

The outlook underscores the structural challenges confronting South Asia’s second-largest economy, where repeated crises have forced bailouts. The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.

Still, Pakistan’s economy is regaining stability after the government narrowly avoided defaulting on its debt two years ago. That and weak consumer demand has seen consumer prices drop below 10% in the past year after a record wave of inflation and currency devaluations in the previous few years.

Easing inflation decreased poverty to 22% in fiscal 2025 from 25% the previous year, according to Christina Wieser, senior economist at the bank. It is projected to stay at around 21%, said Hasan.

Pakistan under its loan program with the International Monetary Fund has increased energy prices and is in the process of selling state-owned enterprises, including loss-making Pakistan International Airlines.

Pakistan must push through “deep and meaningful reforms” to move the country toward a faster development trajectory, said Hasa

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-28/pakistan-growth-too-slow-to-improve-living-standards-world-bank-says

 

[Vikram1989]

Someone uploaded the pic of comparison

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We are falling behind on most economic metrics. I don't think there is any way out of the doom and gloom for a long time unless there are significant reforms coupled with outside investment.

 

[Theanonymousone]

The only thing that can bring anyone / any entity out of poverty is ‘slogging to improve’. When I was a kid, there are barely any corporate jobs in India. Government jobs were the most popular but still, education was given top priority to fight for the minuscule portion of high-paying private jobs which just entered the market or leave India to the US to get better life. A 15-year efforts from our governments led to radical change by bringing investments and the rise of corporate employment in the country.

While IT industry has reached a point where I think it will self-sustain but will not over-grow, I see the growth in Pharma, A&D and electronics manufacturing sectors and hope for a similar growth cycle vs IT in India. Despite all the political games, what India has done was not to self-ruin and always build growth engines. Be it, UPA or NDA governments at the center and regional parties at the state level.

One heart-warming scenario is that states are fighting over investments now rather than silly politics in India, the most-welcome change.


There is no short-cut for Pakistan here. IT industries ship may have sailed as bringing new IT services to Pakistan will only get more difficult. Reason being MNCs are moving from contractual models to Global capability centers (GCCs) and without an existing ecosystem, no MNC would establish a GCC in Pakistan. Bangladesh single-handedly improved its GDP through textile sector. While its not a good way to have concentrated on a low-skill sector, its better than nothing IMO.

Pakistan should establish a 5-10 year plan by enforcing reforms in taxation, electricity, skill development etc targeting specific sectors. They always seem to be looking for quick-fixes but haven't seen a focussed effort to make one industry-specific reforms. They need targeted efforts rather than aiming into the sky blindly. Textile and agricultural outputs should be given tax brackets if necessary - don't understand why Pakistan lags behind India and Bangladesh in these sectors.

They launched a plan to get into semi-conductor manufacturing. Seriously, is this the sector you target out of all the low-hanging fruits left behind??

https://mettisglobal.news/Pakistan-launches-semiconductor-initiative-INSPIRE-to-enter-600bn-global-tech-ecosystem-56089

India will only sustain its industry because of domestic demand, else even it will be difficult for India to target exports as the industry itself is so concentrated with huge technological gaps between players.

Pakistan needs to focus on 2W /3W / 4W auto manufacturing, improve consumer goods and even target energy mix / refining. I dont understand why Pakistan didn't try to expand its oil refining in partnership with Saudi Arabia. Its such a badly run state in perspective of industry reforms.

 

[RexRex]

We are falling behind on most economic metrics. I don't think there is any way out of the doom and gloom for a long time unless there are significant reforms coupled with outside investment.

I think it's time you guys join India as its 29th state. Modi will look after you and fix your mess. Wadya say ?

 

[Hikaru]

For humanity's sake, I hope they get some lucky oil breakthrough or something. 250 million people sitting stagnant for decades is unfair.

 

[Theanonymousone]

I think it's time you guys join India as its 29th state. Modi will look after you and fix your mess. Wadya say ?

No Thanks.
We are witnessing the downfall of West Bengal due to Bangladeshi illegal migration.

Downward trajectory of UK and Europe are live examples of this.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think it's time you guys join India as its 29th state. Modi will look after you and fix your mess. Wadya say ?

That would be unfair to the millions of Indians fleeing India daily.

Modi must look after them first.

 

[Red-Indian]

According to the World Bank, Pakistan's economic growth is too slow to improve the living standards of the people.


The Pakistani economy has failed, especially in comparison with its neighbour India - Financial Times:

In 1980, Pakistan’s per-capita GDP was 55% higher than India’s.

By 2030, it will be about 55% lower.

====

Pedestrians at a textile market in Faisalabad, Punjab, Pakistan.Photographer: Asad Zaidi/Bloomberg

Pakistan's economy is expanding too slowly to improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

The nation's economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, which remains far short of the pace needed to absorb new entrants joining the labor force.

The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.
Pakistan’s economy is expanding too slowly to meaningfully improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

“Business as usual is not good for the economy,” Mukhtar Ul Hasan, an economist at the World Bank, said in a briefing in Islamabad. “Pakistan’s growth potential has been declining for decades” due to weak competitiveness, limited reforms, and recurring crises, Hasan, the lead author of a report on the country’s economy, said.

The nation’s economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, according to the World Bank. The expansion remains far short of the pace needed to absorb the 1.6 million new entrants joining the labor force each year, said Hasan. Pakistan’s central bank expects growth to be in the upper half of a range of 3.25%-4.25%.

The outlook underscores the structural challenges confronting South Asia’s second-largest economy, where repeated crises have forced bailouts. The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.

Still, Pakistan’s economy is regaining stability after the government narrowly avoided defaulting on its debt two years ago. That and weak consumer demand has seen consumer prices drop below 10% in the past year after a record wave of inflation and currency devaluations in the previous few years.

Easing inflation decreased poverty to 22% in fiscal 2025 from 25% the previous year, according to Christina Wieser, senior economist at the bank. It is projected to stay at around 21%, said Hasan.

Pakistan under its loan program with the International Monetary Fund has increased energy prices and is in the process of selling state-owned enterprises, including loss-making Pakistan International Airlines.

Pakistan must push through “deep and meaningful reforms” to move the country toward a faster development trajectory, said Hasa

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-28/pakistan-growth-too-slow-to-improve-living-standards-world-bank-says

Not a lot of new information. It's pretty clear that for 25 years now, Pakistan's standard of living has been steadily declining in comparison to developing country peers both in South Asia and worldwide. In fact, the country is often used as a case study of what not to do as a developing nation.

They've sort of stabilised things economically now but they've done that before and neither then nor now has there been a path to sustainable growth.

 

[Rajdeep]

This is not very surprising though having interacting with Pakistani posters here or by reading them in social media. I personally dont consider it as a serious country either as they are more obsessed with seeing India going down rather than themselves improving. Always in that 'Hum to dube hai sanam' wala mindset.

BTW, what is the economy of North Korea? I find startling similarity between these 2 nations.

 

[rpant_gabba]

According to the World Bank, Pakistan's economic growth is too slow to improve the living standards of the people.


The Pakistani economy has failed, especially in comparison with its neighbour India - Financial Times:

In 1980, Pakistan’s per-capita GDP was 55% higher than India’s.

By 2030, it will be about 55% lower.

====

Pedestrians at a textile market in Faisalabad, Punjab, Pakistan.Photographer: Asad Zaidi/Bloomberg

Pakistan's economy is expanding too slowly to improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

The nation's economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, which remains far short of the pace needed to absorb new entrants joining the labor force.

The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.
Pakistan’s economy is expanding too slowly to meaningfully improve living standards or create enough jobs for its growing population, according to the World Bank.

“Business as usual is not good for the economy,” Mukhtar Ul Hasan, an economist at the World Bank, said in a briefing in Islamabad. “Pakistan’s growth potential has been declining for decades” due to weak competitiveness, limited reforms, and recurring crises, Hasan, the lead author of a report on the country’s economy, said.

The nation’s economy is expected to grow 3% in the year ending June and 3.4% next financial year, according to the World Bank. The expansion remains far short of the pace needed to absorb the 1.6 million new entrants joining the labor force each year, said Hasan. Pakistan’s central bank expects growth to be in the upper half of a range of 3.25%-4.25%.

The outlook underscores the structural challenges confronting South Asia’s second-largest economy, where repeated crises have forced bailouts. The World Bank urged policymakers to shift from short-term stabilization to a long-term reform agenda focused on productivity, exports and private sector investment to lift incomes and reduce vulnerability.

Still, Pakistan’s economy is regaining stability after the government narrowly avoided defaulting on its debt two years ago. That and weak consumer demand has seen consumer prices drop below 10% in the past year after a record wave of inflation and currency devaluations in the previous few years.

Easing inflation decreased poverty to 22% in fiscal 2025 from 25% the previous year, according to Christina Wieser, senior economist at the bank. It is projected to stay at around 21%, said Hasan.

Pakistan under its loan program with the International Monetary Fund has increased energy prices and is in the process of selling state-owned enterprises, including loss-making Pakistan International Airlines.

Pakistan must push through “deep and meaningful reforms” to move the country toward a faster development trajectory, said Hasa

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-28/pakistan-growth-too-slow-to-improve-living-standards-world-bank-says

Nope. Wrong. Pak is on its way to great heights with second coming of the Mard-e-Momin.

More correct Islam is the only way forward

 

[Devadwal]

Earlier pakistan posters told us " Bhaijaan CPEC is going to gamechanger blah blah.

What happened to CPEC now ?

Nope. Wrong. Pak is on its way to great heights with second coming of the Mard-e-Momin.

More correct Islam is the only way forward

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Their infra, people, restaurants and markets look ok in these western travel vlogs. It is nothing like africa or few south american nations where everything has failed. Its quite confusing on how pak as a nation are poor but many Pakistanis are well to do

 

[IronShield]

Their infra, people, restaurants and markets look ok in these western travel vlogs. It is nothing like africa or few south american nations where everything has failed. Its quite confusing on how pak as a nation are poor but many Pakistanis are well to do

its called black economy, where hardly anyone pays taxes.

 

[IronShield]

For humanity's sake, I hope they get some lucky oil breakthrough or something. 250 million people sitting stagnant for decades is unfair.

Better than being a billion stagnant in India and become a nuisance invasive species around the world.

 

[Hikaru]

Better than being a billion stagnant in India and become a nuisance invasive species around the world.

You can type all you want in the home forum, reality stays very different.

 

[Devadwal]

Their infra, people, restaurants and markets look ok in these western travel vlogs. It is nothing like africa or few south american nations where everything has failed. Its quite confusing on how pak as a nation are poor but many Pakistanis are well to do

I hearing this same news again and again since last 10 year's but they haven't found anything so far.

 

[IronShield]

You can type all you want in the home forum, reality stays very different.

It's the reality, your trade discussions hinge on how many Indians are you going to take in. Your greatest indigenous exports are scam call centres and people.

 

[Local.Dada]

not interested. Some Ramesh beat up some guy with a skull cap for trying to steal his buffalo in jhumrithalaiyya. Now that’s the topic we all want . I think a lot of Brit-Mohajirs miss their watan, so we need to address that for them right away

 

[Local.Dada]

It's the reality, your trade discussions hinge on how many Indians are you going to take in. Your greatest indigenous exports are scam call centres and people.

Spoken like a illeterate “religious student” with no real world view. So uncle Trump is getting his pants in a twist about Indian crude oil refinement, Pharma and IT service sector for no reason? This is what happens when you have limited world view. Now scammers are a problem but they are not an epidemic level problem of terrorism your country exports all over the world. So focus on that first , India is doing alright and is definitely not a bankrupt country like Pakistan.

 

[IronShield]

Spoken like a illeterate “religious student” with no real world view. So uncle Trump is getting his pants in a twist about Indian crude oil refinement, Pharma and IT service sector for no reason? This is what happens when you have limited world view. Now scammers are a problem but they are not an epidemic level problem of terrorism your country exports all over the world. So focus on that first , India is doing alright and is definitely not a bankrupt country like Pakistan.

The operative word being .... "indigenous".

Money laundering Russian oil is your proud export.

IT sector also comes under the "scam section". Now we know how they did it by rigging the numbers with indentured slaves and employing their kind only for the exclusion of all others.

Pharma is generics, it's not cutting edge indigenous research to bring new drugs.

 

[Local.Dada]

The operative word being .... "indigenous".

Money laundering Russian oil is your proud export.

IT sector also comes under the "scam section". Now we know how they did it by rigging the numbers with indentured slaves and employing their kind only for the exclusion of all others.

Pharma is generics, it's not cutting edge indigenous research to bring new drugs.

What do you care if it is indegenous or not? There are some counties which make money on just trade routes. It is Indian intelligence and hard work that monetizes these business opportunities. We don’t need to export staple items like aata and rice and it is always surplus unlike Pakistan.

Slaves lol? Yeah spoken like a welfare-scrounger with 0 work ethic . Having a business process or a job is is not exactly slavery.

It’s not like Pakistan is an independent country either. It either has to be China or usa’s minions for survival.

 

[Local.Dada]

Also speaking of cutting edge, do you know how many tech patents or drug patents Indians or Indian origin folk hold? Do some research, might change your world

 

[Hikaru]

It's the reality, your trade discussions hinge on how many Indians are you going to take in. Your greatest indigenous exports are scam call centres and people.

Poverty, education, healthcare, industries, where do both nations stand? Would love to see some numbers that negate my claim.

Perhaps it will serve the country better if Pakistanis like you stop living in la-la land and come to realise why shaan-e-Pakistan Asim Munir likens Pakistan to a dump-truck while comparing Bharat to a Lamborghini. Your tiny little forum voice means nothing when the man running Pakistan made the grand admission himself.

 

[Theanonymousone]

It's the reality, your trade discussions hinge on how many Indians are you going to take in. Your greatest indigenous exports are scam call centres and people.

The reality is despite being a small country, Pakistan has higher people exports than India. Good going in exports

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

You try so hard but never on the mark. Lol

 

[IronShield]

Poverty, education, healthcare, industries, where do both nations stand? Would love to see some numbers that negate my claim.

Perhaps it will serve the country better if Pakistanis like you stop living in la-la land and come to realise why shaan-e-Pakistan Asim Munir likens Pakistan to a dump-truck while comparing Bharat to a Lamborghini. Your tiny little forum voice means nothing when the man running Pakistan made the grand admission himself.

Fact is, everything to do with India is fake, their claims on the economy, their military ... everything.

They have been robbing western countries one way or another, till Trump said ***, this cannot stand, and ever since then, your PM has been hiding from Trump. This is your reality.

May 2025 has been horrible as a nation for India, the world got to see their true face and they realised it's nothing but an elaborate scam.

 

[Local.Dada]

Fact is, everything to do with India is fake, their claims on the economy, their military ... everything.

They have been robbing western countries one way or another, till Trump said ***, this cannot stand, and ever since then, your PM has been hiding from Trump. This is your reality.

May 2025 has been horrible as a nation for India, the world got to see their true face and they realised it's nothing but an elaborate scam.

Yeah some random frustrated guy on a forum says it’s fake must be fake .

Your country can’t even protest on streets about Gaza and your economic plan seems to be sending soldiers to neutralize Hamas. That’s your max upside.

Rich coming from a Pakistani criticizing an economic powerhouse like India.

You got nothing going for you mate (maybe personally I don’t know) as a Pakistani lol, there is nothing that will come out well for you atleast on a economy and resourcefulness debate when it comes to India vs Pak lol. You will just regurgitate the same thing like a frustrated chipmunk

 

[IronShield]

Yeah some random frustrated guy on a forum says it’s fake must be fake .

Your country can’t even protest on streets about Gaza and your economic plan seems to be sending soldiers to neutralize Hamas. That’s your max upside.

Rich coming from a Pakistani criticizing an economic powerhouse like India.

You got nothing going for you mate (maybe personally I don’t know) as a Pakistani lol, there is nothing that will come out well for you atleast on a economy and resourcefulness debate when it comes to India vs Pak lol. You will just regurgitate the same thing like a frustrated chipmunk

You cannot compare India to Pakistan as Pakistan hasn't been systematically scamming the west for the past 25 years! As I said earlier, your indigenous ingenuity is the mass export of your people to the rest of the world.

 

[RexRex]

You cannot compare India to Pakistan as Pakistan hasn't been systematically scamming the west for the past 25 years! As I said earlier, your indigenous ingenuity is the mass export of your people to the rest of the world.

Any thoughts on the topic at hand ? What is your diagnosis ? Is it too late for Pakistan ?!

 

[Rajdeep]

Fact is, everything to do with India is fake, their claims on the economy, their military ... everything.

They have been robbing western countries one way or another, till Trump said ***, this cannot stand, and ever since then, your PM has been hiding from Trump. This is your reality.

May 2025 has been horrible as a nation for India, the world got to see their true face and they realised it's nothing but an elaborate scam.

Oh man...you sound clearly frustrated.

 

[Theanonymousone]

You cannot compare India to Pakistan as Pakistan hasn't been systematically scamming the west for the past 25 years! As I said earlier, your indigenous ingenuity is the mass export of your people to the rest of the world.

Feel sad for you man

Pakistan has went to IMF for 23+ times. Can you imagine a nation scamming the West out of money just because they couldn't manage themselves??

For some reason, Pakistan have the most corrupt politicians. What about its people?? Pakistan has relied on US dollars by selling its military strategic location, waging wars in Afghanistan that doesn't have any benefit for its people, lost many lives and cries that it has sacrificed the highest due to terrorism. Why?? Just because Pakistan can get rich due to military lobbying.

And please come up with data. According to IMF, Pakistan has the higher net migration to other countries than India. Dont have a habit to talk truth??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The only thing that can bring anyone / any entity out of poverty is ‘slogging to improve’. When I was a kid, there are barely any corporate jobs in India. Government jobs were the most popular but still, education was given top priority to fight for the minuscule portion of high-paying private jobs which just entered the market or leave India to the US to get better life. A 15-year efforts from our governments led to radical change by bringing investments and the rise of corporate employment in the country.

While IT industry has reached a point where I think it will self-sustain but will not over-grow, I see the growth in Pharma, A&D and electronics manufacturing sectors and hope for a similar growth cycle vs IT in India. Despite all the political games, what India has done was not to self-ruin and always build growth engines. Be it, UPA or NDA governments at the center and regional parties at the state level.

One heart-warming scenario is that states are fighting over investments now rather than silly politics in India, the most-welcome change.


There is no short-cut for Pakistan here. IT industries ship may have sailed as bringing new IT services to Pakistan will only get more difficult. Reason being MNCs are moving from contractual models to Global capability centers (GCCs) and without an existing ecosystem, no MNC would establish a GCC in Pakistan. Bangladesh single-handedly improved its GDP through textile sector. While its not a good way to have concentrated on a low-skill sector, its better than nothing IMO.

Pakistan should establish a 5-10 year plan by enforcing reforms in taxation, electricity, skill development etc targeting specific sectors. They always seem to be looking for quick-fixes but haven't seen a focussed effort to make one industry-specific reforms. They need targeted efforts rather than aiming into the sky blindly. Textile and agricultural outputs should be given tax brackets if necessary - don't understand why Pakistan lags behind India and Bangladesh in these sectors.

They launched a plan to get into semi-conductor manufacturing. Seriously, is this the sector you target out of all the low-hanging fruits left behind??

https://mettisglobal.news/Pakistan-launches-semiconductor-initiative-INSPIRE-to-enter-600bn-global-tech-ecosystem-56089

India will only sustain its industry because of domestic demand, else even it will be difficult for India to target exports as the industry itself is so concentrated with huge technological gaps between players.

Pakistan needs to focus on 2W /3W / 4W auto manufacturing, improve consumer goods and even target energy mix / refining. I dont understand why Pakistan didn't try to expand its oil refining in partnership with Saudi Arabia. Its such a badly run state in perspective of industry reforms.

Bangladesh doesn't have the same war issues for whatever reason. Pakistan's military budget is a constant drain on resources and it affects business and outside investment. Of course the issue here is that it is the military which is making the decisions, so they aren't going to cut their own budget...and to be fair, there is a constant threat on both borders so they can justify it.

 

[Local.Dada]

You cannot compare India to Pakistan as Pakistan hasn't been systematically scamming the west for the past 25 years! As I said earlier, your indigenous ingenuity is the mass export of your people to the rest of the world.

Are you kidding me . What exactly was the “war on terror”, the whole we fought Soviet deal ? Who benefitted from it? That’s the greatest scam of all time lol. Continues even today . I would have agreed if your Pm/army chief brought some industry to Pak but you have zilch, nada in that regards.
So spare me the sermon about “scamming”

 

[Rajdeep]

Are you kidding me . What exactly was the “war on terror”, the whole we fought Soviet deal ? Who benefitted from it? That’s the greatest scam of all time lol. Continues even today . I would have agreed if your Pm/army chief brought some industry to Pak but you have zilch, nada in that regards.
So spare me the sermon about “scamming”

World Bank is saying Pakistan growth too slow to improve living standards.

UK Gov site tells us Pak community are the least privileged and doing worst among all minorities.

Meanwhile, Pak posters here - Indians are bad, Indians are scammers, Indians are hindutva....Modi...abba dabba jabba pabba

Self introspection is a virtue that lacks massively among them and most are always in that 'Hum to Dube hai sanam' wala mindset.

This is why you will see them caring more about Kashmir and Palestine than making the livelihood better for its own citizens.

With this kind of attitude, I can't see how can Pakistan improve as a nation. Its only going to go down further.

I mean both India and Pakistan got independence on same day. For first 3-4 decades Pakistan was doing better than India. It is time for them to introspect what went wrong there onwards. However, they are too much focussed on India, Bihar elections etc.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Bangladesh doesn't have the same war issues for whatever reason. Pakistan's military budget is a constant drain on resources and it affects business and outside investment. Of course the issue here is that it is the military which is making the decisions, so they aren't going to cut their own budget...and to be fair, there is a constant threat on both borders so they can justify it.

If you see the military expenditure as a share of GDP, its almost similar to India in the recent years.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

The issue is with lack of focus towards employment generation. Pakistani leadership were happy with youth going in religious extremism than skill development. They never let the political stability to prevail which always threatens external investments.

And honestly, there is an issue with culture too. I have seen PPers mocking Indian service sector as slavery and all. Look at how China started in manufacturing sector. They had zero technological advancements and improvements started only after a while. Pakistanis curse the US day in day out making them as the boogeyman yet pander to them endlessly and this is not only Shebaz but other leaders too. For the jazba portrayed on Pakpassion, Pakistani leadership has the weakest backbone in the face of US.

The interference of politicians and military is so high that they never let private sectors to thrive. Take the top 10 leading private blue-chip companies in India. While you may argue that Adani has political interest due to BJP, most of the companies have limited interests from politicians or military.

Pakistan needs to let competency fake over and prioritize on capturing low-hanging fruits such as textile / oil refining exports

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistani posters maintaining pedestrian distance from this thread. They are more worried about JD Vance's wife and Narendra Modi.

 

[Ball Blazer]

We are not doing great in terms of economy but very great in terms of humanity. That's why I don't agree to your statement where you said:

"This is why you will see them caring more about Kashmir and Palestine than making the livelihood better for its own citizens."

Please stick to the topic next time you post! I can smell genocide from your this statement.

World Bank is saying Pakistan growth too slow to improve living standards.

UK Gov site tells us Pak community are the least privileged and doing worst among all minorities.

Meanwhile, Pak posters here - Indians are bad, Indians are scammers, Indians are hindutva....Modi...abba dabba jabba pabba

Self introspection is a virtue that lacks massively among them and most are always in that 'Hum to Dube hai sanam' wala mindset.

This is why you will see them caring more about Kashmir and Palestine than making the livelihood better for its own citizens.

With this kind of attitude, I can't see how can Pakistan improve as a nation. Its only going to go down further.

I mean both India and Pakistan got independence on same day. For first 3-4 decades Pakistan was doing better than India. It is time for them to introspect what went wrong there onwards. However, they are too much focussed on India, Bihar elections etc.

 

[Rajdeep]

We are not doing great in terms of economy but very great in terms of humanity. That's why I don't agree to your statement where you said:

"This is why you will see them caring more about Kashmir and Palestine than making the livelihood better for its own citizens."

Please stick to the topic next time you post! I can smell genocide from your this statement.

Yes humanity like drooling over and nominating Trump for noble peace prize. The same Trump that blindly supports and arms Israel. You ain't fooling no one.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you see the military expenditure as a share of GDP, its almost similar to India in the recent years.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

The issue is with lack of focus towards employment generation. Pakistani leadership were happy with youth going in religious extremism than skill development. They never let the political stability to prevail which always threatens external investments.

And honestly, there is an issue with culture too. I have seen PPers mocking Indian service sector as slavery and all. Look at how China started in manufacturing sector. They had zero technological advancements and improvements started only after a while. Pakistanis curse the US day in day out making them as the boogeyman yet pander to them endlessly and this is not only Shebaz but other leaders too. For the jazba portrayed on Pakpassion, Pakistani leadership has the weakest backbone in the face of US.

The interference of politicians and military is so high that they never let private sectors to thrive. Take the top 10 leading private blue-chip companies in India. While you may argue that Adani has political interest due to BJP, most of the companies have limited interests from politicians or military.

Pakistan needs to let competency fake over and prioritize on capturing low-hanging fruits such as textile / oil refining exports

Pakistanis mocking of Indian service sector is done for other reasons, you can't base your judgement of a people on the basis of a forum where propaganda is posted relentlessly. On the Pakistani leadership encouraging religious extremism, I agree. It suits their purpose though, so I think they will always put their own interests above the nation.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Yes humanity like drooling over and nominating Trump for noble peace prize. The same Trump that blindly supports and arms Israel. You ain't fooling no one.

If you know, most of the Pakistani people do not even back the current government/some military personnel etc. And if you visit the comment section of the posts mentioning Trump, barely any Pakistani treats him/his team as abbu. They all, including Trump, are credible for their genocidal acts in Palestine and everyone openly talks about how USA funds Israel and provides military equipment.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you know, most of the Pakistani people do not even back the current government/some military personnel etc. And if you visit the comment section of the posts mentioning Trump, barely any Pakistani treats him/his team as abbu. They all, including Trump, are credible for their genocidal acts in Palestine and everyone openly talks about how USA funds Israel and provides military equipment.

Even the ones who are fans of the govt and their chosen puppets from the Sharif/Bhutto clan won't admit it openly. They spend all their effort on abusing PTI or Imran Khan, but when you ask them which leader they back, they will just ignore it or pretend they don't follow anyone.

 

[rpant_gabba]

We are not doing great in terms of economy but very great in terms of humanity. That's why I don't agree to your statement where you said:

"This is why you will see them caring more about Kashmir and Palestine than making the livelihood better for its own citizens."

Please stick to the topic next time you post! I can smell genocide from your this statement.

Thats sounds Trumpian. would you mind elaborating?

 

[Hikaru]

Thats sounds Trumpian. would you mind elaborating?

Thank you for asking, looking forward to the comedy that follows.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes humanity like drooling over and nominating Trump for noble peace prize. The same Trump that blindly supports and arms Israel. You ain't fooling no one.

Oh, so nominating Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize is drooling, but screaming "Abki baar, Trump Sarkar" like a paid cheerleader by 'Fekuchand' was patriotism? Nice logic but you ain't fooling anyone here.

 

[Rajdeep]

Oh, so nominating Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize is drooling, but screaming "Abki baar, Trump Sarkar" like a paid cheerleader by 'Fekuchand' was patriotism? Nice logic but you ain't fooling anyone here.

Brother, there’s a massive difference between the two situations.

In Modi’s case, it was Trump who invited him and organized the Howdy Modi event. So Modi returning a few pleasantries is not brown-nosing at all. Even David Cameron, at Wembley Stadium, once said, “They said a chaiwala could never become Prime Minister, but he proved them wrong.” Does that mean the then–UK Prime Minister was drooling over Modi? Of course not.

In Shehbaz’s case, Pakistan’s long-standing stance has always been not recognizing Israel and supporting Palestinian independence. Meanwhile, Trump considers Israel and Netanyahu almost like his own, supplying them with arms used against innocent Palestinian civilians. Yet Pakistan’s Prime Minister and even the Field Marshal went so far as to nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. On top of that, Shehbaz acted subservient to Trump on stage during the peace deal conference.

Both cases are completely different — like chalk and cheese.

 

[Patriot]

Pakistanis need a reality check. It’s sad to admit it and frustrating but the Indian posters here are right. We lag behind on a lot of indicators and have no coherent plan on how to move forward or stabilise our industries to compete. Bashing India is not going to solve problems. India is decades ahead of us.

However, gloating doesn’t help and it’s never too late to change yourself but will take a lot hard work from people and coherent policies and planing from a useless government that is controlled by a military that will never relinquish control.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistanis need a reality check. It’s sad to admit it and frustrating but the Indian posters here are right. We lag behind on a lot of indicators and have no coherent plan on how to move forward or stabilise our industries to compete. Bashing India is not going to solve problems. India is decades ahead of us.

However, gloating doesn’t help and it’s never too late to change yourself but will take a lot hard work from people and coherent policies and planing from a useless government that is controlled by a military that will never relinquish control.

The situation is dire on all timeframes, and it needs addressed urgently.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistanis need a reality check. It’s sad to admit it and frustrating but the Indian posters here are right. We lag behind on a lot of indicators and have no coherent plan on how to move forward or stabilise our industries to compete. Bashing India is not going to solve problems. India is decades ahead of us.

However, gloating doesn’t help and it’s never too late to change yourself but will take a lot hard work from people and coherent policies and planing from a useless government that is controlled by a military that will never relinquish control.

Only solution - Works (Honest ) with india for peace instead harbouring terrorists

Kashmir Kashmir karte karte yha tak halat ho gyi. Ye abhi tak ni samje hai?

Pakistan needs india for trade, stability and improving the economy while india doesn't need Pakistan.

 

[Patriot]

Only solution - Works (Honest ) with india for peace instead harbouring terrorists

Kashmir Kashmir karte karte yha tak halat ho gyi. Ye abhi tak ni samje hai?

Pakistan needs india for trade, stability and improving the economy while india doesn't need Pakistan.

Pakistan shouldn’t just control its internal terrorism just because it will get us trade with India, it needs to do it for internal stability!

All nations need trade. You can’t just say India doesn’t need it with Pakistan. And trade with those you share a border with is the most important trade relationship a country can have because transportation is the easiest and Pakistan is a big country with 250m people that need things. It’s easier/cheaper to trade with your neighbour than with a country half way around the world.

And while Pakistan does need trade with its neighbours and peace, including India, it doesn’t need India for other aspects. We have a giant next door in China that we have an excellent relationship with. We don’t need India to help build our infrastructure when we can contract with China. Obviously building your own industrial capacity for these things is better but if we have peace/trade with India, the only incentive to go to India then would be on a cost basis.

 

[guard]

Their infra, people, restaurants and markets look ok in these western travel vlogs. It is nothing like africa or few south american nations where everything has failed. Its quite confusing on how pak as a nation are poor but many Pakistanis are well to do

No one pays tax…

 

[guard]

Brother, there’s a massive difference between the two situations.

In Modi’s case, it was Trump who invited him and organized the Howdy Modi event. So Modi returning a few pleasantries is not brown-nosing at all. Even David Cameron, at Wembley Stadium, once said, “They said a chaiwala could never become Prime Minister, but he proved them wrong.” Does that mean the then–UK Prime Minister was drooling over Modi? Of course not.

In Shehbaz’s case, Pakistan’s long-standing stance has always been not recognizing Israel and supporting Palestinian independence. Meanwhile, Trump considers Israel and Netanyahu almost like his own, supplying them with arms used against innocent Palestinian civilians. Yet Pakistan’s Prime Minister and even the Field Marshal went so far as to nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. On top of that, Shehbaz acted subservient to Trump on stage during the peace deal conference.

Both cases are completely different — like chalk and cheese.

Junior Sharif is a *special case…

In any other nation he would be working as a cabbie or in a takeaway.

Nothing wrong with that, its an honest days work, just thats his level along with the rest of them.

Unfortunately, he we are and how it is..

 

[globetrotter]

Only solution - Works (Honest ) with india for peace instead harbouring terrorists

Kashmir Kashmir karte karte yha tak halat ho gyi. Ye abhi tak ni samje hai?

Pakistan needs india for trade, stability and improving the economy while india doesn't need Pakistan.

Pakistan was at par with India till PM was Zulfiqar Bhutto, but thereafter real mess started by General Zia, he favored militant groups to act against India for Kashmir cause. He and other PMs got US aids in billions but they swallow that money and used for terrorism instead of ppls development

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Only solution - Works (Honest ) with india for peace instead harbouring terrorists

Kashmir Kashmir karte karte yha tak halat ho gyi. Ye abhi tak ni samje hai?

Pakistan needs india for trade, stability and improving the economy while india doesn't need Pakistan.

India is run by hindutvas where hatred of Pakistan is a core philosophy so there is no solution which involves India.

 

[RexRex]

Even with all these problems, you'd think Pakistan govt would tone it down with all their Kashmir rhetoric and focus on their economy. But just a few says ago, their PM came out with the same nonsense of independence blah blah..

If they're happy to keep shooting themselves in the foot, so be it.

 

[Rajdeep]

India is run by hindutvas where hatred of Pakistan is a core philosophy so there is no solution which involves India.

No one is born with hatred out of mothers womb. It’s something shaped by the world, and there are reasons behind every hatred. Those reasons include the 1999 Kargil conflict, the Kandahar hijacking, the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Uri (2016), Pulwama (2019), and Pahalgam (2025), among others.

Pakistani's like you are directly responsible for the state in which Pakistan is in today. Instead of blaming India and repeating the same gheesa-peeta lines about Hindutva, Modi, and so on, maybe it’s time for some introspection. For all the criticism of Hindutva - “Hindutva is bad,” “Hindutva is this or that”... India is flourishing as a country, whereas Pakistan isn’t. This is a fact. Rather than getting touchy and typing randomly on forums, perhaps reflect a little.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For all the criticism of Hindutva - “Hindutva is bad,” “Hindutva is this or that”... India is flourishing as a country, whereas Pakistan isn’t. This is a fact. Rather than getting touchy and typing randomly on forums, perhaps reflect a little.

Then what are you doing in the UK? Come back to India and settle down here.

 

[Rajdeep]

Then what are you doing in the UK? Come back to India and settle down here.

'Then what are you doing in UK' is the silliest argument. We are discussing about a country and not individuals. The person I was talking to is also from UK.

Btw, why you always jump to defend Pakistan faster than a geezle?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one is born with hatred out of mothers womb. It’s something shaped by the world, and there are reasons behind every hatred. Those reasons include the 1999 Kargil conflict, the Kandahar hijacking, the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Uri (2016), Pulwama (2019), and Pahalgam (2025), among others.

Pakistani's like you are directly responsible for the state in which Pakistan is in today. Instead of blaming India and repeating the same gheesa-peeta lines about Hindutva, Modi, and so on, maybe it’s time for some introspection. For all the criticism of Hindutva - “Hindutva is bad,” “Hindutva is this or that”... India is flourishing as a country, whereas Pakistan isn’t. This is a fact. Rather than getting touchy and typing randomly on forums, perhaps reflect a little.

You can't even get geography right and you expect anyone to take you seriously? I am not in Pakistan, not even a Pakistani citizen yet I am directly responsible for Pakistan politics?

What did I say that was wrong? Hatred of Pakistan is baked into hindutva philosophy, read the RSS books which inspired it. Of course nothing is set in stone, but what have we seen from Modi's India which would lead to anyone believing they are ready for a different approach? They don't even want Pakistani sportsmen or artists to perform in their country, let alone trade deals which might prove fruitful for Pakistan.

As a neutral I have no problem in criticising Pakistan establishment. in fact I have already done it in this thread. But two things can be true at the same time. Pakistani establishment figures can be bought off, and India's hindutva means their main priority re Pakistan is to see it deteriorate or stagnate and they spend some funds on aiding that.

Pakistan needs to look outside of India for trade partnerships, and yes they need to take responsibility for development at home as well. India is neither here nor there.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

'Then what are you doing in UK' is the silliest argument. We are discussing about a country and not individuals. The person I was talking to is also from UK.

Btw, why you always jump to defend Pakistan faster than a geezle?

Lol what? I didn't even mention Pakistan, let alone defend it. If you truly believe India is flourishing, then say it while living in India. Otherwise, I will keep calling out your hypocrisy here. If someone like @Hitman had said the same thing, I wouldn't have called him out because he actually lives in India.

#RajuHoGayaBaju

 

[Rajdeep]

You can't even get geography right and you expect anyone to take you seriously? I am not in Pakistan, not even a Pakistani citizen yet I am directly responsible for Pakistan politics?

No one is talking about Pakistani politics here. I am least interested about it. I was talking about people who always likes to shift the blame to India and talk on silly things like Hindutva, Modi etc. and takes an escape route. The lack of self introspection is the issue here. Unless people realize there is a problem, no chance of improvement. If my house is out of order, I will not pin point on a cement leak in neighbouring bungalow, isnt it? I see this trait of blaming everything on India mostly among overseas Pakistani posters like you and strongly believe you guys are solely responsible for the state Pakistan is in today. Those who actually lives in Pakistan and face the hardships understands the ground reality much better.

What did I say that was wrong? Hatred of Pakistan is baked into hindutva philosophy, read the RSS books which inspired it. Of course nothing is set in stone, but what have we seen from Modi's India which would lead to anyone believing they are ready for a different approach? They don't even want Pakistani sportsmen or artists to perform in their country, let alone trade deals which might prove fruitful for Pakistan.

Show the RSS book or the quote the para where it has hatred against Pakistan?

As I said, hatred is not born out of mothers womb. It is circumstantial. Both the countries got independence on the same day. Pakistan's obsession of taking Kashmir and doing numerous terrorist activities in India under the guise of it is the main reason for this hatred. To call you loud, even Indian muslims hate Pakistan these days for the very same reason. And after Pahalgam, even Kashmiris started doing the same.

To substantiate my point further, South Indians dont have the same hatred towards Pakistan. Why? Because the brunt of Pak sponsored terrorism is felt more on the northern part of India. Thats why majority of world cup 2023 matches of Pakistan were scheduled in Chennai and even Pakistan Zindabad chants were heard on ground. So this just proves the point that there is no institutionalized hatred for Pakistan or something written in RSS manifesto that every Indian follow. This hatred is circumstantial and a by product of Pakistan's mischievous activities over the years.

Introspect brother. Even though we all know after King Charles III, you are the most honorary British citizen but blaming everything on RSS, Hindutva, Modi...etc etc are so outdated excuses.

#RajdeepWaniOnSaturday

 

[Patriot]

No one is born with hatred out of mothers womb. It’s something shaped by the world, and there are reasons behind every hatred. Those reasons include the 1999 Kargil conflict, the Kandahar hijacking, the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Uri (2016), Pulwama (2019), and Pahalgam (2025), among others.

Pakistani's like you are directly responsible for the state in which Pakistan is in today. Instead of blaming India and repeating the same gheesa-peeta lines about Hindutva, Modi, and so on, maybe it’s time for some introspection. For all the criticism of Hindutva - “Hindutva is bad,” “Hindutva is this or that”... India is flourishing as a country, whereas Pakistan isn’t. This is a fact. Rather than getting touchy and typing randomly on forums, perhaps reflect a little.

No one is at fault 100% when there is fight between two parties. Pakistan has its fair share of blame but India is no innocent party either.

 

[Suleiman]

Pakistanis need a reality check. It’s sad to admit it and frustrating but the Indian posters here are right. We lag behind on a lot of indicators and have no coherent plan on how to move forward or stabilise our industries to compete. Bashing India is not going to solve problems. India is decades ahead of us.

However, gloating doesn’t help and it’s never too late to change yourself but will take a lot hard work from people and coherent policies and planing from a useless government that is controlled by a military that will never relinquish control.

No Pakistani is afraid of being critical of Pakistan. Think the Pakistanis whether at home or abroad on this entire forum unanimously agree that a lot of work needs to be done there.

The issue is that the Indians showing their “concern” could care less about what happens to Pak and bring issues like this up for point scoring, namely OP who is notorious for these sort of antics. Thats why many Pakistanis don’t really care to post in this thread.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one is talking about Pakistani politics here. I am least interested about it. I was talking about people who always likes to shift the blame to India and talk on silly things like Hindutva, Modi etc. and takes an escape route. The lack of self introspection is the issue here. Unless people realize there is a problem, no chance of improvement. If my house is out of order, I will not pin point on a cement leak in neighbouring bungalow, isnt it? I see this trait of blaming everything on India mostly among overseas Pakistani posters like you and strongly believe you guys are solely responsible for the state Pakistan is in today. Those who actually lives in Pakistan and face the hardships understands the ground reality much better.

Show the RSS book or the quote the para where it has hatred against Pakistan?

As I said, hatred is not born out of mothers womb. It is circumstantial. Both the countries got independence on the same day. Pakistan's obsession of taking Kashmir and doing numerous terrorist activities in India under the guise of it is the main reason for this hatred. To call you loud, even Indian muslims hate Pakistan these days for the very same reason. And after Pahalgam, even Kashmiris started doing the same.

To substantiate my point further, South Indians dont have the same hatred towards Pakistan. Why? Because the brunt of Pak sponsored terrorism is felt more on the northern part of India. Thats why majority of world cup 2023 matches of Pakistan were scheduled in Chennai and even Pakistan Zindabad chants were heard on ground. So this just proves the point that there is no institutionalized hatred for Pakistan or something written in RSS manifesto that every Indian follow. This hatred is circumstantial and a by product of Pakistan's mischievous activities over the years.

Introspect brother. Even though we all know after King Charles III, you are the most honorary British citizen but blaming everything on RSS, Hindutva, Modi...etc etc are so outdated excuses.

#RajdeepWaniOnSaturday

I don't know why you get so touchy about Hindutva. My initial reply was to @Devadwal who said Pakistan needed trade with India and India doesn't need trade with Pakistan. Essentially I agreed, and added that won't change with a hindutva govt which basically considers Pakistan a permanent enemy. Heck they even consider Muslims in thier own country as the enemy unless they shout Jai Shri Ram. We both know it.

Pakistan has it's own issues and the last thing they need to do is keep prattling on about India. I'm not sure what we are disagreeing with here, other than you want to pretend that hindutva isn't about hatred of Islam. That's a separate issue in itself.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Pakistan shouldn’t just control its internal terrorism just because it will get us trade with India, it needs to do it for internal stability!

All nations need trade. You can’t just say India doesn’t need it with Pakistan. And trade with those you share a border with is the most important trade relationship a country can have because transportation is the easiest and Pakistan is a big country with 250m people that need things. It’s easier/cheaper to trade with your neighbour than with a country half way around the world.

And while Pakistan does need trade with its neighbours and peace, including India, it doesn’t need India for other aspects. We have a giant next door in China that we have an excellent relationship with. We don’t need India to help build our infrastructure when we can contract with China. Obviously building your own industrial capacity for these things is better but if we have peace/trade with India, the only incentive to go to India then would be on a cost basis.

Has CPEC changed the game yet?

CPEC II full force ahead?

 

[Patriot]

Has CPEC changed the game yet?

CPEC II full force ahead?

Is that not down to Pakistan’s own issues. What makes you think if India built the same infrastructure, it would have made a difference? Is Indian better than Chinese?

 

[RexRex]

Thats why many Pakistanis don’t really care to post in this thread.

Let's be honest, they wouldn't have posted in this thread if a Pakistani had started it either. Pak PPers are more interested in the fate of Usha Vance rather than the fate of their country lol.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan shouldn’t just control its internal terrorism just because it will get us trade with India, it needs to do it for internal stability!

All nations need trade. You can’t just say India doesn’t need it with Pakistan. And trade with those you share a border with is the most important trade relationship a country can have because transportation is the easiest and Pakistan is a big country with 250m people that need things. It’s easier/cheaper to trade with your neighbour than with a country half way around the world.

And while Pakistan does need trade with its neighbours and peace, including India, it doesn’t need India for other aspects. We have a giant next door in China that we have an excellent relationship with. We don’t need India to help build our infrastructure when we can contract with China. Obviously building your own industrial capacity for these things is better but if we have peace/trade with India, the only incentive to go to India then would be on a cost basis.

SIze of India economy is too big compared to Pakistan so we hardly need Pakistan bit pakistan badly need india. Fact

 

[Devadwal]

Has CPEC changed the game yet?

CPEC II full force ahead?

CPEC is not gamechanger but debt trap for pakistan

 

[Patriot]

SIze of India economy is too big compared to Pakistan so we hardly need Pakistan bit pakistan badly need india. Fact

It’s not a fact. This is poor thinking on your part. You can never have enough trade unless you somehow have unlimited resources, which no one does. Increasing trade means extra income, growth, etc. which can support internal projects. It’s not a zero sum game.

 

[Devadwal]

It’s not a fact. This is poor thinking on your part. You can never have enough trade unless you somehow have unlimited resources, which no one does. Increasing trade means extra income, growth, etc. which can support internal projects. It’s not a zero sum game.

Maybe you should have checked Trade deficit ?

India has learned to grow economically without having a good relationship with Pakistan. Neither India needs the market of Pakistan nor Pakistan has anything special which India can't get easily from other countries.

On the other hand trade relationship with India is very necessary for Pakistan to sustain and stabilize its economy. Despite the so-called ban on trade with India, Pakistan purchased goods worth millions From India (mainly medical supplies and medicines).

Pakistani leaders would say that they have banned trade with India but they continue to buy Indian products in some or another way.

 

[UP]

Stop stealing elections is the first step. And going back to the barracks will do wonders.

 

[Patriot]

Maybe you should have checked Trade deficit ?

India has learned to grow economically without having a good relationship with Pakistan. Neither India needs the market of Pakistan nor Pakistan has anything special which India can't get easily from other countries.

On the other hand trade relationship with India is very necessary for Pakistan to sustain and stabilize its economy. Despite the so-called ban on trade with India, Pakistan purchased goods worth millions From India (mainly medical supplies and medicines).

Pakistani leaders would say that they have banned trade with India but they continue to buy Indian products in some or another way.

Clearly you don’t know anything about economics.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Is that not down to Pakistan’s own issues. What makes you think if India built the same infrastructure, it would have made a difference? Is Indian better than Chinese?

the point I'm making is being China's vassal since 70's hanslt worked out well for Pak and CPEC has only made it worse with its guaranteed returns.

I'm not complianing

 

[Patriot]

the point I'm making is being China's vassal since 70's hanslt worked out well for Pak and CPEC has only made it worse with its guaranteed returns.

I'm not complianing

So if we need infrastructure, we should have asked India instead right? You haven’t answered my question. What can India offer or do better that the Chinese can’t. Who else is Pakistan going to go for this other than the Chinese? There is a reason a lot of countries go to China and not India for infrastructure projects.

 

[Suleiman]

Let's be honest, they wouldn't have posted in this thread if a Pakistani had started it either. Pak PPers are more interested in the fate of Usha Vance rather than the fate of their country lol.

If Indians were to disappear from this forum we’d have plenty of time to talk about Pakistan by itself.

Doesn’t make sense to discuss about your country’s wellbeing with those that want it wiped out of existence, does it?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If Indians were to disappear from this forum we’d have plenty of time to talk about Pakistan by itself.

Doesn’t make sense to discuss about your country’s wellbeing with those that want it wiped out of existence, does it?

Indians don't want Pakistan wiped out of existence. That would bring the Taliban back on their doorstep. No India will ever debate me on this issue include masterdbater @Rajdeep

 

[rpant_gabba]

So if we need infrastructure, we should have asked India instead right? You haven’t answered my question. What can India offer or do better that the Chinese can’t. Who else is Pakistan going to go for this other than the Chinese? There is a reason a lot of countries go to China and not India for infrastructure projects.

Like SL? how did that turn out?

Pak might have been able to build its infrastructure w/o wrecking it economic future.

 

[Suleiman]

If Indians were to disappear from this forum we’d have plenty of time to talk about Pakistan by itself.

Doesn’t make sense to discuss about your country’s wellbeing with those that want it wiped out of existence, does it?

To add some more context (not like it’s needed):

We have an OP who jumps up and down and has been for months whether it’s a train crash in Balochistan, the prospect of civilians running out of water due to the Indus Water treaty halt, and many many other posts of jubilation over trials and tribulations of Pakistan and Pakistanis.

Then 2 more Indians who have posted in this thread so far one of whom on record has posted an entire manifesto on here on how he would go about poisoning and killing Pakistani citizens and how he had gone out of his way to sabotage Pakistanis he met abroad in any way he could.

And another Indian who on record has said the world would be a better place without Muslims in it…

So this is who we’re going to discuss about the growth and wellbeing of the Islamic republic of Pakistan…. Wow… I do wonder why majority of Pakistanis are keeping a pedestrian distance from this thread, eh?

Pakistani posters maintaining pedestrian distance from this thread. They are more worried about JD Vance's wife and Narendra Modi.

 

[Patriot]

I find it odd when small news stories are sensationalised with their own threads. A woman gets raped, which of course is horrible and happens every where but a thread is created for it and then the same bashing begins between Pakistan and India.

 

[hks222]

Btw guys - just in my small company we have 5 pakistanis working as offshore.

We are strong and resilient!