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I think there are a lot of similarities between Pakistan cricket team and Italy football team. They both have got good history and a team that has usually been successful at the World Cups and major tournaments but if you see one thing, both teams have been really average over the last few major tournaments (except CT17) and Italy seems to have finally found the man who could bring back the old glory days in Mancini after a last few terrible coaches and right now Pakistan is in the same situation where they have had a bunch of terrible coaches in Waqar and Misbah who love playing a defensive brand of cricket (just like Gian Piero Ventura and other Italian coaches before Mancini).

Another similarity between both the teams is that the management of the senior players, both teams like to put the senior players on a higher pedestal and don't know how to get rid of them but Italy decided to get rid of them after the WC 2018 qualification debacle and retained only Chellini and now they have got a great blend of youth in their team which is producing results for them in the Euros. If you look at Pakistan, they are in somewhat similar situation, they are finding it extremely hard to get rid of senior citizens like Hafeez, Sarfraz in the team and they continue to hold the team hostage into keeping them in the team. I hope Pakistan do not have to wait for a WC 2018 qualification type disaster to make the necessary changes from top to the bottom. Pakistan needs a coach who is brave and willing to trust youngsters especially against easier teams.
 
I think it's a strange comparison, like managers in football are nothing like head coaches in cricket, they have a lot more power and responsibilities. I do think the Pakistani football could definitely benefit from a Mancini type coach.
 
I don't watch football, but Pakistan don't have a coach problem, nor is cricket an arena where the manager/coach is a major fulcrum of the process.
 
Apart from the obvious awkwardness of this comparison, the difference is that Italy has a lot of young talent coming through while Pakistan has zero talent.
 
Mamoon said:
Apart from the obvious awkwardness of this comparison, the difference is that Italy has a lot of young talent coming through while Pakistan has zero talent.
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Aren't you the guy who posted in the PSL batting thread that Pakistan is the least talented cricketing nation in history? It's curious you avoidedm y post about how all the best achieving batsmen in the PSL are Pakistani.

I am just curious now what you think about emerging players like Shaheen, Dahani, Usman Qadir and performers like Babar and Rizwan. They are highly rated by most cricket analysts but as you seem to be more in tune with reality, you do not think they are young enough or talented enough?
 
Pakistan currently has Gian Piero Ventura in charge and it could all end in tears if the problem is not solved?
 
currently pakistan have david moyes from the post fergie era at utd. Chosen one but way out of his depth.
 
This comparison doesn't make any sense.

Also, you like many other people on this board seem to think the head coach in cricket has the same responsibility as a manager in football. He doesn't. He's not running plays throughout the game, thinking on his feet and deciding which players go in and out.

The coach has a very limited role that essentially ends when the players take the field.
 
Italians are technically proficient and physically in peak shape. just because both sets of players have historically had ego issues doesn't mean they are comparable.

pakistan are more like Argentina on international level, living on past glory with little hope of consistently challenging the best teams, lacking investment to compete with the best nations in the world on their player development pipeline, hoping for messianic individual players to carry them.
 
Pakistan doesn't need a world class coach. What it needs is a world class team brimming with talented players. In cricket, you win matches by having match winners in your team. Coaches in cricket are absolutely useless. The Australian team of the 90's and 2000's would win handsomely even if they did not have a coach.

Do you think Richard Pybus had anything in himself to elevate the state of the 90's Pakistan team which had Saeed anwar, Wasim Akram, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Afridi? These guys were all match winners in their own right and needed no coaching. Cricket is a completely different game to football. In football even average teams can beat formidable teams if you have a great manager because a great manager will use formations and positioning of players to nullify the other team. The difference in skills matter so much more in cricket than it does in football.

Pakistan will not reach the levels of being a Top 3 cricketing nation unless and until it produces players that are skillful and have the ability to win matches on their own. No coach can win much for Pakistan with the current lot. Maybe a random series here and there but that's about it. Mickey Arthur was hailed as a great coach. Just look at SL under him. I wouldn't even blame Mickey there. The SL players are very very mediocre.
 
If you understand soccer and know that italy historical is not the most consistent team and have that unpredicability plus the senior culture that goes around than you know that this comparison is not akward it pretty spot on

however its not 100 percent spot on cuz their is difference

Italian football and its structure is obviously way a head of pakistan.

Despite being unpredictable itlay has 4 world cups were pakistan only has one if were talking about odi world cup.

Italy at one point had R Baggio who at the time might have been considered the best player in the world , despite pakistan having great players i dont think we ever had a player to be the greatest during his time of play..
 
nextover666666 said:
If you understand soccer and know that italy historical is not the most consistent team and have that unpredicability plus the senior culture that goes around than you know that this comparison is not akward it pretty spot on

however its not 100 percent spot on cuz their is difference

Italian football and its structure is obviously way a head of pakistan.

Despite being unpredictable itlay has 4 world cups were pakistan only has one if were talking about odi world cup.

Italy at one point had R Baggio who at the time might have been considered the best player in the world , despite pakistan having great players i dont think we ever had a player to be the greatest during his time of play..
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This. People are not understanding it.
 
Its not comparable, Football manager and cricket coach cant be compared.
 
Pakhs said:
Its not comparable, Football manager and cricket coach cant be compared.
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It can be compared. Coaches can influence the mindset of the players. The biggest example of this is Ahmad Shahzad, he used to score plenty of runs for Lahore Lions at Warner-esque strike rate but whenever he played for Pakistan under Misbah, it dropped down to 70 SR in ODIs and 110 in T20s.
 
Serie A is the 2nd best football league in the world after the Premier League at the moment
whereas the leagues in Pakistan and the infrastructure is lacking. Yes Mancini has done great stuff but Italy actually has a world class team. The team that lost against Sweden in 2017 and failed to qualify for the WC was old and not that good. This team is full of young and talented players.
 
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AdamM97 said:
Serie A is the 2nd best football league in the world after the Premier League at the moment
whereas the leagues in Pakistan and the infrastructure is lacking. Yes Mancini has done great stuff but Italy actually has a world class team. The team that lost against Sweden in 2017 and failed to qualify for the WC was old and not that good. This team is full of young and talented players.
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Serie A is ranked 4th in the world, Bundesliga is 3rd and La Liga is 2nd.
 
trust me

seeing so many Misbah lovers on this forum; it will be a surprise if Misbah even leaves this position in next 10 years

so stop dreaming
 
AdamM97 said:
Serie A is the 2nd best football league in the world after the Premier League at the moment
whereas the leagues in Pakistan and the infrastructure is lacking. Yes Mancini has done great stuff but Italy actually has a world class team. The team that lost against Sweden in 2017 and failed to qualify for the WC was old and not that good. This team is full of young and talented players.
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Italy is not full of talented players.I have never liked the Italian style of football.Italians are known for diving,faking injuries and underhanded tactics.Annoying thing is they get to semis or finals by hook or crook.
 
Mamoon said:
Apart from the obvious awkwardness of this comparison, the difference is that Italy has a lot of young talent coming through while Pakistan has zero talent.
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Actually, apart from the goalkeeper, not really.

This Italian team is built upon the foundations of the same players who failed to qualify for Russia'2018.

The difference is that whereas under previous coaches they played attritional Misbah-style football, now they have a coach who makes them feel that they are not failures and rejects but rather are capable of dictating games.

There's a lot of similarities with Pakistan cricket.
 
Junaids said:
Actually, apart from the goalkeeper, not really.

This Italian team is built upon the foundations of the same players who failed to qualify for Russia'2018.

The difference is that whereas under previous coaches they played attritional Misbah-style football, now they have a coach who makes them feel that they are not failures and rejects but rather are capable of dictating games.

There's a lot of similarities with Pakistan cricket.
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That is simply incorrect.

In the last 3 odd years, Italy have found young midfielders with elite potential and this has been the biggest driving force behind their success.

Mancini is a reasonable good manager, but he is not a world class manager. However, he currently has the best talent Italy has had since the 2006 World Cup.

Conte is a far greater manager than Mancini, and if Conte had this Italy team, he would most probably win a World Cup.

The moral of the story is that a good manager/coach helps, but having world class talent helps even more.

Pakistan is a deeply mediocre team in terms of talent and skill. Pakistan basically has only 3 players right now who can be considered as world class across all 3 formats, but none of them are without serious limitations and will not be contenders for a world XI.

If Pakistan can produce a batch of genuine world class talents and not pretenders like Shadab, Faheem, Naseem, Hasnain etc., the results will pick up irrespective of who the coach is.
 
Mamoon said:
That is simply incorrect.

In the last 3 odd years, Italy have found young midfielders with elite potential and this has been the biggest driving force behind their success.

Mancini is a reasonable good manager, but he is not a world class manager. However, he currently has the best talent Italy has had since the 2006 World Cup.

Conte is a far greater manager than Mancini, and if Conte had this Italy team, he would most probably win a World Cup.

The moral of the story is that a good manager/coach helps, but having world class talent helps even more.

Pakistan is a deeply mediocre team in terms of talent and skill. Pakistan basically has only 3 players right now who can be considered as world class across all 3 formats, but none of them are without serious limitations and will not be contenders for a world XI.

If Pakistan can produce a batch of genuine world class talents and not pretenders like Shadab, Faheem, Naseem, Hasnain etc., the results will pick up irrespective of who the coach is.
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Pakistan had one of their golden generations in the 90’s; Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Saq, Inzi, Moyo, Razzaq, Mahmood et al , it’s a scary team on paper but the results on the field were horrible, I agree having talent helps but for a team like Pakistan, excellent man management and leadership are very very important. That team in the 90’s had more depth and talent then say Misbah’s XI which drew level with England in England, but the latter I think was a lot more organised and a lot less turbulent.
 
shaz619 said:
Pakistan had one of their golden generations in the 90’s; Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Saq, Inzi, Moyo, Razzaq, Mahmood et al , it’s a scary team on paper but the results on the field were horrible, I agree having talent helps but for a team like Pakistan, excellent man management and leadership are very very important. That team in the 90’s had more depth and talent then say Misbah’s XI which drew level with England in England, but the latter I think was a lot more organised and a lot less turbulent.
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Between 1995 and 1999, Pakistan lost 5-6 Test series at home because the batting was very mediocre.

Two of the top three (Sohail and Ijaz) were extremely ordinary players, and there was only one prolific middle-order batsman (Inzamam) who himself was a far better player in the 2000s.

Sohail was carried by Anwar and Ijaz couldn’t play spin or bat on slowish wickets.

Saleem Malik was finished by that point and he was also more interested in fixing than scoring runs.

Pakistan’s batting lineup was basically down

Yousuf emerged as a world class batsman from 2000 onwards. 2002 in particular was his breakthrough year in Tests, and Younis debuted in 2000 as well.

Pakistan had a more robust batting lineup in the 2000s and even in 2010s when Pakistan drew in England.

Azhar, Younis and Misbah from the 2010s team would easily replace Sohail, Ijaz and Malik in the late 90’s team.

90’s Pakistan is extremely overhyped because of their ODI exploits and W&W, but they were far from a brilliant Test team post 1992.

The England tour of 1992, albeit tarnished with extreme ball-tampering from the Pakistani bowlers, marked the end of an era for Pakistan in Test cricket, because the next several years were nothing but ugly.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
I think there are a lot of similarities between Pakistan cricket team and Italy football team. They both have got good history and a team that has usually been successful at the World Cups and major tournaments but if you see one thing, both teams have been really average over the last few major tournaments (except CT17) and Italy seems to have finally found the man who could bring back the old glory days in Mancini after a last few terrible coaches and right now Pakistan is in the same situation where they have had a bunch of terrible coaches in Waqar and Misbah who love playing a defensive brand of cricket (just like Gian Piero Ventura and other Italian coaches before Mancini).

Another similarity between both the teams is that the management of the senior players, both teams like to put the senior players on a higher pedestal and don't know how to get rid of them but Italy decided to get rid of them after the WC 2018 qualification debacle and retained only Chellini and now they have got a great blend of youth in their team which is producing results for them in the Euros. If you look at Pakistan, they are in somewhat similar situation, they are finding it extremely hard to get rid of senior citizens like Hafeez, Sarfraz in the team and they continue to hold the team hostage into keeping them in the team. I hope Pakistan do not have to wait for a WC 2018 qualification type disaster to make the necessary changes from top to the bottom. Pakistan needs a coach who is brave and willing to trust youngsters especially against easier teams.
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Do you even know , how much people blindly love Misbah;; so much that even his below mediocre performances are touted as one of the best

Misbah is here to stay for yet another 20 years or more

Stop living in fool's paradise
 
Giannis said:
Serie A is ranked 4th in the world, Bundesliga is 3rd and La Liga is 2nd.
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Not sure if you go by the UEFA club coefficient but Serie A has more quality teams and players than La Liga and Bundesliga at the moment.
 
Artaxerxes said:
Italy is not full of talented players.I have never liked the Italian style of football.Italians are known for diving,faking injuries and underhanded tactics.Annoying thing is they get to semis or finals by hook or crook.
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How you could not see Italy as a talented team with young players like Barella, Locatelli, Chiesa and Donnarumma is beyond me. The fact that they've gone 33 games unbeaten is exactly why they deserve to play in the final.
 
The italian Coach has agreed to xoach pakistani team..

Source : Misbah ul haq..
 
Once again - we have no talent. Italy has plenty of talent.
 
AdamM97 said:
Not sure if you go by the UEFA club coefficient but Serie A has more quality teams and players than La Liga and Bundesliga at the moment.
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Yes indeed. Chiesa is definitely better than Messi. And Juve will beat Bayern easily. :apology
 
Italy also has players like Chiesa while our team is full of Di Lorenzos and Emersons.
 
The best coaches take ownership, they make things happen - whether that's when your team is 20/2 or 1-0 down.

They don't wait around, they lead, they make things happen, they inspire.
 
Nothing will happen until IK stop meddling in appointing coaches plus unfit and timid person like Mani needs to be sacked. Give Wasim Khan free hands for 2 years. If he performs let him stay otherwise kick him out too.
 
The Italian players while 'dribbling' the ball yesterday seemed to have match awareness, temperament and innovation. There was a touch of class about them.

I don't care who the manager/coach is - I see none of that in the Pakistani XI.
 
Can't compare Footie with Cricket. Italy always had plenty of raw talent even when they were struggling. Mancini came in and found a system suitable for his players. I don't know what system Pak Cricket has or any potentially brilliant player who has not been tried and failed. Haris Sohail, Hammad Azam and Sohaib Maqsood etc are all failures who were once talked up as the next big thing. When Italy failed to qualify for the World Cup the fans knew it was just a hiccup. They would soon be back in the big time and they are. Pak Cricket is like musical chairs with new faces coming in at every level then departing after a few losses. We just don't have any consistency or any long term planning. Fans are not seeing any improvements at all.
 
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Yes indeed. Chiesa is definitely better than Messi. And Juve will beat Bayern easily. :apology
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Messi doesn't represent the whole La Liga nor does Juventus represent the whole Serie A. PSG is a better team than Arsenal and Mbappe is better than Pepe, but that doesn't make Ligue 1 better than PL. Serie A is overall the 2nd best league in the world after the Premier League.
 
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Junaids said:
Actually, apart from the goalkeeper, not really.

This Italian team is built upon the foundations of the same players who failed to qualify for Russia'2018.

The difference is that whereas under previous coaches they played attritional Misbah-style football, now they have a coach who makes them feel that they are not failures and rejects but rather are capable of dictating games.

There's a lot of similarities with Pakistan cricket.
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After italy misses out on another world cup, i wonder what your views are now
 
Major said:
After italy misses out on another world cup, i wonder what your views are now
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I wrote in another thread - BEFORE Italy were eliminated - that they would not qualify.

(The context was an argument with [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], in which I argued that the World Test Championship table matters more than the World Test rankings, because it is current and not based on performances a few years ago.)

Now, I tend to argue with both you and [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], but I do so in a respectful way with you because I value your opinions even though we often disagree. I freely admit that I often learn from you.

Here is what I think about Italian football - and the similarity with Pakistani cricket.

Italy has stopped producing its traditional pool of footballing talent. The current crop of players - since 2008 - has been similar in quality to Switzerland or Serbia or Sweden.

That makes them a bit like Pakistan - they are no longer an elite team, but they should still be reaching every major tournament (just as Pakistan should always be Top 4 in every format).

Maldini had a bit of a problem. He has a superb left-back in Spinnazola, who has a long-term injury, and the team has not been the same since his injury. And he is already 29 - he may never return to the same level of play.

He has two geriatric centre-backs who are top quality, but who require the team to be built around their lack of pace, with a very deep defensive line. That's similar to Pakistan building the batting first around Misbah and Younis, and then around Azhar and Fawad. Firstly, you reach a point of no return with them and secondly, when you keep picking them you prevent younger talent from being ready to replace them.

MisYou delayed the arrival of Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan as batsmen, and Azhar and Fawad have blocked the development of Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin.

Sure enough, Bonucci and Chiellini passed their peak after Euro 2020. And now neither was fit enough to play the decisive World Cup play-offs aged almost 35 and almost 38 respectively. But they had blocked the development of their replacements.

In midfield there was a bit of talent - Veratti.

Further forward, Chiesa was injured and the only top class striker - Mario Balotelli has been excluded because he behaves like Umar Akmal.

Mancini did a great job in the period 2018-2021 taking an ageing team to a last hurrah. But part of the problem was that he was getting the best out of his existing, fading talent while countries like Spain and Germany and England has already made their generational change by discarding veteran players after the 2018 World Cup and were building young teams to peak in late 2022.

Mancini gambled that a team built around ageing players in decline would still be good enough to qualify in March 2022 and to perform well in December 2022.

And he lost. I like the guy - he won my club our first English title for 43 years. I will always be grateful to him.

But sadly the legacy of Roberto Mancini in international football will not be that he won Euro 2020.

It will be that he failed to discard and replace his veteran players at the start of a 4 year cycle to the World Cup.

And so he built a team which peaked 18 months too soon, and was so old that it failed to qualify for the main event.

And what is astonishing is that he had the experience in his own career to know better.

Italy was a top team in the 1980s - they won the 1982 World Cup - but Azeglio Vicini took over as coach after the 1986 World Cup needing to build a team to peak when it would host the 1990 World Cup.

The team had been unlucky to be eliminated from Mexicio'86 by the superb French team which had won Euro'84.

But Vicini was building for the 1990 World Cup. not the 1988 European Championships, so he ruthlessly culled every outfield player born before 1960 to ensure that he would have a team young enough to peak in 1990. All his 1982 World Champions were tossed out - even the likes of Paolo Rossi let alone defenders like Scirea, Collovati and Cabrini.

This is how Roberto Mancini found himself in the team at Euro'88 - he was there because he was a 23 year old striker and the coach didn't want the 31 year old Paolo Rossi who would be 33 when the World Cup came around.

Vicini didn't have a vintage crop of talent either. But he built a team which reached the semi-finals of both the 1988 Euros and the 1990 World Cup because it was young, vibrant and mobile, and with players who were either at their peak or hadn't reached it yet.

Yet Mancini ignored that lesson, and went the Misbah route of picking experienced players in decline rather than dismantling a veteran team to build a new one.
 
Junaids said:
But Vicini was building for the 1990 World Cup. not the 1988 European Championships, so he ruthlessly culled every outfield player born before 1960 to ensure that he would have a team young enough to peak in 1990. All his 1982 World Champions were tossed out - even the likes of Paolo Rossi let alone defenders like Scirea, Collovati and Cabrini.

This is how Roberto Mancini found himself in the team at Euro'88 - he was there because he was a 23 year old striker and the coach didn't want the 31 year old Paolo Rossi who would be 33 when the World Cup came around.
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I cannot emphasise how strongly this influence my opinions on building international sports' teams.

When Vicini took over the Italian football team in mid-1986 it was four years since they had won the World Cup and 4 years until they would host it.

There were multiple outfield players aged 26-30 who he could have kept in the team in that period 1986-1990, especially defenders.

Yet he ruthlessly threw out every outfield player over the age of 25 (apart from the just-27 year old Carlo Ancelotti, now the coach of Real Madrid, who would have his 31st birthday a couple of days before Italia'90 started.)

It didn't matter if you were 27 (Di Gennaro, Vierchowod), or a 28 year old world champion (Cabrini) - you were forcibly retired because the coach wanted a team to peak at Italia'90.

That's what you have to do with international sports teams. You cannot buy or draft good players from another team like in club sport.

What you have is what you have in terms of talent - and it's your job to phase out veterans and replace them with younger players early enough for them to peak at the right time.

Pakistan should have discarded Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam and Nauman Ali along with Mohammad Abbas, Yasir Shah and Shan Masood when the 2019-21 World Test Championship cycle ended.

Instead they have carried forward the remains of multiple players in terminal decline, and blocked the progress of younger ones.

I don't understand how Pakistan has been helped by picking Nauman Ali instead of Zafar Gohar or even Shadab Khan.

I don't understand how Pakistan has been helped by picking Fawad Alam instead of Saud Shakeel.
 
Pakistan cricket is unfamiliar with things like succession planning. building teams etc they are more like Watford
 
Pakistan has a mancini already seems like, he couldnt even get the italian team to the world cup.

What they actually need is someone like klopp who changes their whole mindset mentality, style of play from top to bottom
 
Another series defeat on cards 11th in rankings with a handful of games left before WC 2023 an Azzuri style humiliation awaits us like Italy there is dearth of talent in the country

Saud Khusdil Iftikhar Wasim j, they all are below average than Imran Nazir, Sohail Tanvir & Rana Naved
 
I wish if Pakistan had mentality of the Azzurri in Cricket. Azzurri have not lost a semi final of a major tournament ( World cup + Euro) in 32 years.

Problem with the Italians is they are slow starters in group stages or qualifiers, that is why over the past 30 years they have been dumped out in group stages many times. And they missed out on euro 92 and wc 18/22 too.

But once The Azzurri get into knockout stages they are very difficult team to beat and that is why despite very average performances this century they have still won 2 major tournaments ( wc 06 and euro 2020) actually they have won more trophies than Germany in 21st century.

Pakistan on the other hand historically panic based team, so many countless semi finals we have choked from winning positions. ( 79,83,87,11,10,12,21) . Recent is T20 SF in Dubai. Had it been Italy they would not have lost.

And that is why There is no comparison. Italian cabinet has 4 world cups. We only have 1.

Pakistan is actually Argentina of Cricket.
Argentina was favorite to win 02 wc and 06/10 but were dumped out in group stage and qf.

Argentina has won 2 world cups but have largely underschieved in football given the talent they have.
 
Sarwar89 said:
I wish if Pakistan had mentality of the Azzurri in Cricket. Azzurri have not lost a semi final of a major tournament ( World cup + Euro) in 32 years.

Problem with the Italians is they are slow starters in group stages or qualifiers, that is why over the past 30 years they have been dumped out in group stages many times. And they missed out on euro 92 and wc 18/22 too.

But once The Azzurri get into knockout stages they are very difficult team to beat and that is why despite very average performances this century they have still won 2 major tournaments ( wc 06 and euro 2020) actually they have won more trophies than Germany in 21st century.

Pakistan on the other hand historically panic based team, so many countless semi finals we have choked from winning positions. ( 79,83,87,11,10,12,21) . Recent is T20 SF in Dubai. Had it been Italy they would not have lost.

And that is why There is no comparison. Italian cabinet has 4 world cups. We only have 1.

Pakistan is actually Argentina of Cricket.
Argentina was favorite to win 02 wc and 06/10 but were dumped out in group stage and qf.

Argentina has won 2 world cups but have largely underschieved in football given the talent they have.
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Where is Pakistan's Messi, Dybala and Di Maria
Football Wc are played since 1950s whereas Cricket Wc started in 75 its about the lack of talent Italy and Pakistan are in same territory
 
Kianig89 said:
Where is Pakistan's Messi, Dybala and Di Maria
Football Wc are played since 1950s whereas Cricket Wc started in 75 its about the lack of talent Italy and Pakistan are in same territory
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Pakistani Messi = Shaheen

Messi won Balon D or
Shaheen won Sir Garfield Sobers Award

Dybala = hasan ali
Both epic failures at intl level. Dybala is even kicked out of juventus.

Di Maria = shoaib malik
Too old too slow.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Pakistani Messi = Shaheen

Messi won Balon D or
Shaheen won Sir Garfield Sobers Award

Dybala = hasan ali
Both epic failures at intl level. Dybala is even kicked out of juventus.

Di Maria = shoaib malik
Too old too slow.
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The only cricket version of Messi is Ab de Villiers (or Sachin)...
 
Sarwar89 said:
Pakistani Messi = Shaheen

Messi won Balon D or
Shaheen won Sir Garfield Sobers Award

Dybala = hasan ali
Both epic failures at intl level. Dybala is even kicked out of juventus.

Di Maria = shoaib malik
Too old too slow.
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Lol at.Shaheen = Messi
Shaheen is not equal to Maxi Rodriguez let alone Messi the greatest player ever
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi = Chiesa
Two superstar players

Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam, Nauman Ali = Significantly Worse Versions of Chiellini, Bonnuci, Buffon

Mohammad Rizwan = Donarumma

The Italy Football team doesn't really have a Babar Azam equivalent (Jorginho maybe?)

Misbah = Mancini, relating to Junaids Post about how they both failed to get rid of the old players
 
Kianig89 said:
Lol at.Shaheen = Messi
Shaheen is not equal to Maxi Rodriguez let alone Messi the greatest player ever
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Messi can hardly perform in farmers league he's a player who can only perform for Barcelona.

The greatest is Ronaldo.
 
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