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Both Kuldeep and Hardik mentioned this with regards to the batting of Pakistan. Kuldeep said that the batsmen did not intend to attack, which made him bowl good line and lengths without being afraid of being hit. Hardik said that in the current ODI era having 2 set players not attacking always made them (India) feel they were right in the game.

I hope someone can print these statements and put in in the PAK dressing room. nothing worse then your biggest rival calling you out like that. On the other hand you have our players smiling right after they lost the game.
 
by the 29th over, all the pacers had an economy of 6-7

only the spinners had an economy below 5.

just lies being barked. It is not their concern how we play. Their concern is with their team not with us.
 
by the 29th over, all the pacers had an economy of 6-7

only the spinners had an economy below 5.

just lies being barked. It is not their concern how we play. Their concern is with their team not with us.
Didn't Bumrah concede 19 runs of his 7 overs? They were not asked to comment on how Pakistan played. they just gave their point of view of how the match was being played by the oppositiona and helped them restrict the opposition to a low score.
 
Didn't Bumrah concede 19 runs of his 7 overs? They were not asked to comment on how Pakistan played. they just gave their point of view of how the match was being played by the oppositiona and helped them restrict the opposition to a low score.
Dude, I'd advice you to not debate with this guy. Debate is to be done with sane people, not heretics.

It's like rolling on mud. Whether you roll on mud or the mud is splashed on you, it is you who always end up getting dirty.
 
I hope Mickey goes over the quotes in the dressing room with the players and use it as motivation for the players to perform better & reason why the approach/mindset needs to be completely changed.
 
Dude, I'd advice you to not debate with this guy. Debate is to be done with sane people, not heretics.

It's like rolling on mud. Whether you roll on mud or the mud is splashed on you, it is you who always end up getting dirty.
Indeed. Some just don't get the flaws in the team and want to paper over the cracks.

How dare we criticise.
 
Pandya said "Babar & Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we were always in the game. They didn’t try going for shots or attack which is why we were able to bowl dot balls"

What did Kuldeep say?
 
Both Kuldeep and Hardik mentioned this with regards to the batting of Pakistan. Kuldeep said that the batsmen did not intend to attack, which made him bowl good line and lengths without being afraid of being hit. Hardik said that in the current ODI era having 2 set players not attacking always made them (India) feel they were right in the game.

I hope someone can print these statements and put in in the PAK dressing room. nothing worse then your biggest rival calling you out like that. On the other hand you have our players smiling right after they lost the game.
this is difficult and insulting to read :(
 
by the 29th over, all the pacers had an economy of 6-7

only the spinners had an economy below 5.

just lies being barked. It is not their concern how we play. Their concern is with their team not with us.
But it's the truth pakistan we're like a snail against the Spinners.
 
by the 29th over, all the pacers had an economy of 6-7

only the spinners had an economy below 5.

just lies being barked. It is not their concern how we play. Their concern is with their team not with us.
That is what you got from that? :) He didn't say it was a concern. He said it was the REASON they believed they could stage a come back which they did.
 
Pandya said "Babar & Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we were always in the game. They didn’t try going for shots or attack which is why we were able to bowl dot balls"

What did Kuldeep say?

It doesn't matter. Even if we change captain it'll be Rizwan next. We need a young bold leader with no scarring.

Also tbh ability wise we are 2 leagues below India. Iyer and Sky would be the top 2 batsmen in Pakistan by a distance.

The timid team culture is a cancer which has killed Pakistan cricket. Not one six on that pitch is a disgrace.
 
I hope Mickey goes over the quotes in the dressing room with the players and use it as motivation for the players to perform better & reason why the approach/mindset needs to be completely changed.
I really hope the players get see/listen to the comments made by the Indian players about them.
 
Pandya said "Babar & Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we were always in the game. They didn’t try going for shots or attack which is why we were able to bowl dot balls"

What did Kuldeep say?
Basically the same. He felt Pak batsmen did not intend to attack him, which allowed him to bowl nice lengths.
 
Pandya said "Babar & Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we were always in the game. They didn’t try going for shots or attack which is why we were able to bowl dot balls"

What did Kuldeep say?
This is what he said.

"The wicket was a bit slow. We were focusing on the length. They were not attacking too much so I was just focusing on my pace and my variations," Kuldeep says. "I was bowling very well. Not too much width because of the field restrictions. They weren't trying too much. Rizwan didn't sweep me a lot so I wanted to make him play the bad shot. I've been watching Saud Shakeel the last couple of games and he'd been trying to sweep a lot. He thought that ball was slow but it skidded on. Unbelievable to play in front of this crowd. This atmosphere is crazy, playing against Pakistan and seeing close to 90,000 people here." .
 
So they are telling the truth ,what is wrong with this statement?? Why Pakistani fans are upset with this statement .

Pakistan were 155 for 2 at 29 overs. Going at 5 plus. If there was no collapse Pakistan would have scored 300.

Babar and Rizwan knew the batting is fragile and that's why they were careful and wanted to save wickets.

Their fears came true, batting collapsed after them.
 
So they are telling the truth ,what is wrong with this statement?? Why Pakistani fans are upset with this statement .
The team should be upset with this statement and take this as a lesson to improve their mindset.

Ulta our fans are getting defensive while the players will be nodding in approval with a sheepish smile on their faces. Bunch of losers.
 
The team should be upset with this statement and take this as a lesson to improve their mindset.

Ulta our fans are getting defensive while the players will be nodding in approval with a sheepish smile on their faces. Bunch of losers.

You would have blamed them if they were 200 for 7 at 29 overs.

The reason for defeat is batting collapse and not how Babar and Rizwan played.
 
You would have blamed them if they were 200 for 7 at 29 overs.

The reason for defeat is batting collapse and not how Babar and Rizwan played.
Yeah well I don’t mind how Babar and Rizwan played, they knew how the mentally weak losers after them will collapse.

And they did, in effect it shows clearly that the plan was fine but we just imploded. Saud and Iftikhar played extremely poor shots and lost composure.
 
I thought Babar and Rizwan did a good job laying the foundation, tis hard to smack the ball all over the place when you know the batsmen to come aren't reliable.
 
I thought Babar and Rizwan did a good job laying the foundation, tis hard to smack the ball all over the place when you know the batsmen to come aren't reliable.
Barber and rizwan are stat paddlers will always be selfish and play for themselves period they have proved it time and time again
 
I thought Babar and Rizwan did a good job laying the foundation, tis hard to smack the ball all over the place when you know the batsmen to come aren't reliable.
Related question - Why are Shadab and Nawaz even in the team? We excuse their shoddy bowling with the logic that "they add depth to the batting" but seems like that is also not there.

They cannot bowl and they cannot bat so why are they in the team? Because they are all buddies of Babar??
 
They are saying PAK lost 8 for 36, from 155/2 of 29’3 with the main two batsmen well set and a partnership of 85 @ around 5 going on ….. because that pair didn’t bash them enough to reach 200/2 at the same time🫡

I hope they are not trolling PAK players, because I still can’t figure out how 200/2 after 29’3 could have stopped 236 all out if set batsman misses a straight one or last batsman (no. 6) gets bowled round his legs, trying to hit another boundary after hitting the previous one for four.
 
Indeed. Some just don't get the flaws in the team and want to paper over the cracks.

How dare we criticise.
How is the team supposed to perform when we have the most TOXIC fans in the world? Life in general and cricket in particular is all about confidence which our players lack.

If we were chasing 190 odd, we would have targeted chasing it down in the 48th-49th over. But India didn't as there players get external confidence from fans and then they internalize that in their game.

I was watching the game with a friend today and he didn't know that Babar won the ICC Player of the year award last year and Shaheen the year before that. We NEVER celebrate our current players like other teams do. Our media, ex-cricketers involved in underperforming in their playing days, fans no one celebrates our current cricketers.

Virat Kohli was a beast in ODI from 2014 to 2019 but in the 3 most important ODI games during this time period:
2015 WC semi-final vs Australia
2017 CT final vs Pakistan
2019 WC semi-final vs New Zealand

He got out on single figures in all 3 matches and India lost all 3 matches. BUT HIS PEOPLE STILL CONSIDERED HIM THE BIGGEST BRAND and he won the t20 WC game last year against us single handedly as he has full confidence in himself and his abilities.

How Babar responded to the journalist yesterday who asked him that losing the game against India can cost him his captaincy SHOWED that he listens to things said about him and his captaincy and that AFFECTS him.

See by unnecessarily criticizing all the time, we do more harm than good. This takes away the confidence our players have in themselves and in turn, it's our loss as PAKISTAN LOSES.
 
by the 29th over, all the pacers had an economy of 6-7

only the spinners had an economy below 5.

just lies being barked. It is not their concern how we play. Their concern is with their team not with us.
When will you stop living in this delusion that our current approach is just fine and dandy!

Btw, on the Pavilion even Misbah (even Misbah of all people lol) said that we should have shown more intent and played more positive. Will you change your mind now?
 
Related question - Why are Shadab and Nawaz even in the team? We excuse their shoddy bowling with the logic that "they add depth to the batting" but seems like that is also not there.

They cannot bowl and they cannot bat so why are they in the team? Because they are all buddies of Babar??

Good question. I have no idea tbh.
 
Yeah well I don’t mind how Babar and Rizwan played, they knew how the mentally weak losers after them will collapse.

And they did, in effect it shows clearly that the plan was fine but we just imploded. Saud and Iftikhar played extremely poor shots and lost composure.
OK and who selected these so called losers. Babar himself. He calls them matchwinners.
 
They are saying PAK lost 8 for 36, from 155/2 of 29’3 with the main two batsmen well set and a partnership of 85 @ around 5 going on ….. because that pair didn’t bash them enough to reach 200/2 at the same time🫡

I hope they are not trolling PAK players, because I still can’t figure out how 200/2 after 29’3 could have stopped 236 all out if set batsman misses a straight one or last batsman (no. 6) gets bowled round his legs, trying to hit another boundary after hitting the previous one for four.
Pandya was definitely trolling and taking the mick out of Pakistan. Babar and Rizwan did well to get Pakistan to 155/2 aided by some sloppy seam bowling and captaincy.

There was nothing wrong with the batting. Pakistan don't have skilled aggressive batsmen to bat any quicker anyway. They would have simply lost wickets faster on that pitch.
 
Pakistan were 155 for 2 at 29 overs. Going at 5 plus. If there was no collapse Pakistan would have scored 300.

Babar and Rizwan knew the batting is fragile and that's why they were careful and wanted to save wickets.

Their fears came true, batting collapsed after them.
To score 300 they needed to go at 7/8 an over for 20 overs against Bumrah and Co. Unlikely.
 
Pandya said "Babar & Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we were always in the game. They didn’t try going for shots or attack which is why we were able to bowl dot balls"

What did Kuldeep say?

This has been an ongoing issue for years now with Pakistan. They play a ridiculous amount of dot balls as opposed to rotating the strike. If you’re not attacking the opposition, atleast keep moving the game forward by getting singles and not allowing pressure to build.
 
I have a question to Pakistani fans. Kuldeep said that for past 2 days he has been watching Saud's videos and knew that Saud plays the sweep shot and late cuts a lot and so decided to bowls flippers and googlie to him. Why didn't Saud too watch Kuldeep's videos to plan how to deal agianst him?
 
Remember, with the exception of Iftikhar, every other Pakistan player today got their first taste of playing India, in India, in a 130K stadium, without any crowd support. You cannot prepare any team to face this sort of scenario let alone pressure. I defy anyone to be in the exact same situation and not be timid at times, because other times Pakistan played same superb shots. It is very easy to be arm chair critics and what Kuldeep and Pandya have said is not exactly a biblical revelation.

Collapses in WCs are nothing new, pressure can do this, most of you have short memories, almost the same India vs NZ in 2019 SF collapsed and this was with peak Kohli and 5 WC centurion Rohit. India were cruising to victory and the rest is history - and that match spanned 2 days!

Today's match will be chalked down as experience for the Pakistan team, but the question now is not of team selection, or team line ups, the question is how do you instill an aggressive mindset within a team of talented players.
 
Aggression is neither a skill nor a talent, aggression is a mindset.

Simply not true.

You think Aisam ul Haq will become Roger Federer simply by playing aggressive tennis shots?

The biggest myth being peddled on this forum is that Babar is as talented as Kohli, Inzimam > Tendulkar , Ahmed Shehzad > Tendulkar is because fans ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Shezzy, Babar or Inzimam were as good as Kohli and Tendulkar.

The players have a ceiling and no amount of aggressive mindset can change the BASIC SKILLS of a player.

You MUST HAVE A PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE OR SKILLSET. YOU work around that skillset or attribute to IMPROVE it and along the way you gain confidence, perfection and attitude. And finally the mindset changes to aggression.

A case right in front of you is the spinner Shadab who pretends he is the most aggressive all rounder EVER and averages 42 with the ball and 10 with the bat for last 1 year.

Do you think he doesnt want to bowl like Warne?

How has aggression treated him in being the best spinner or batsmen?

Nada.

Zilch.

He is simply not good enough to land 2 balls in same place.

Similarly, Babar, Rizwan and Imam ALL WANT TO HIT 6 OF EVERY BALL.

Who wouldnt?

Every player who plays wants to score a goal, hit a winner on every shot or hit a 6 off every delivery.

But only few players become ELITE STRIKERS, even fewer win Grand Slams, and even fewer become ATGs of the game like Kohli.

Only test of fire makes fine steel they say.

But if you put mud in the fire its only going to be smoke and ashes.
 
Perfect psy ops from both Pandya and Kuldeep. Have to give it to them, twisting the knife really good. Pakistani players deserve this humiliation. Indians clearly wanted it more and were up to the task. Pakistani players focused more towards personal milestones and being dreadfully careless. The way lot of pakistani players got out shows you how “focused” they were. They deserve this. The most hostile crowd, the most hostile team and even getting verbal smackdowns from Pandya and Kuldeep. Absolute humiliation.
 
I was nervous that Pakistan could go on to score a tall score in the last 20 overs. I was relieved it didn't happen.
Babar is the main culprit here with the way he got out. He was relieved at his personal milestone of finally making a half century against India, lost focus, and immediately got out. The way Saud and Iftikhar got out was extremely embarrassing as well. This was not an issue of ability but of application and dedication. You could see the indian bowlers like Pandya were frustrated and had same fears as you. It explains the perfect psy ops setup after the match.
 
Remember, with the exception of Iftikhar, every other Pakistan player today got their first taste of playing India, in India, in a 130K stadium, without any crowd support. You cannot prepare any team to face this sort of scenario let alone pressure. I defy anyone to be in the exact same situation and not be timid at times, because other times Pakistan played same superb shots. It is very easy to be arm chair critics and what Kuldeep and Pandya have said is not exactly a biblical revelation.

Collapses in WCs are nothing new, pressure can do this, most of you have short memories, almost the same India vs NZ in 2019 SF collapsed and this was with peak Kohli and 5 WC centurion Rohit. India were cruising to victory and the rest is history - and that match spanned 2 days!

Today's match will be chalked down as experience for the Pakistan team, but the question now is not of team selection, or team line ups, the question is how do you instill an aggressive mindset within a team of talented players.

Pakistan had decent support in the Asia Cup and still lost by 228 runs against India.

The team needs to man up and admit their problems, issues rather than making lame excuses of playing in front of a hostile crowd. This was a chance for the team to become heroes.
 
Simply not true.

You think Aisam ul Haq will become Roger Federer simply by playing aggressive tennis shots?

The biggest myth being peddled on this forum is that Babar is as talented as Kohli, Inzimam > Tendulkar , Ahmed Shehzad > Tendulkar is because fans ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Shezzy, Babar or Inzimam were as good as Kohli and Tendulkar.

The players have a ceiling and no amount of aggressive mindset can change the BASIC SKILLS of a player.

You MUST HAVE A PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE OR SKILLSET. YOU work around that skillset or attribute to IMPROVE it and along the way you gain confidence, perfection and attitude. And finally the mindset changes to aggression.

A case right in front of you is the spinner Shadab who pretends he is the most aggressive all rounder EVER and averages 42 with the ball and 10 with the bat for last 1 year.

Do you think he doesnt want to bowl like Warne?

How has aggression treated him in being the best spinner or batsmen?

Nada.

Zilch.

He is simply not good enough to land 2 balls in same place.

Similarly, Babar, Rizwan and Imam ALL WANT TO HIT 6 OF EVERY BALL.

Who wouldnt?

Every player who plays wants to score a goal, hit a winner on every shot or hit a 6 off every delivery.

But only few players become ELITE STRIKERS, even fewer win Grand Slams, and even fewer become ATGs of the game like Kohli.

Only test of fire makes fine steel they say.

But if you put mud in the fire its only going to be smoke and ashes.

POTW yaar
 
Simply not true.

You think Aisam ul Haq will become Roger Federer simply by playing aggressive tennis shots?

The biggest myth being peddled on this forum is that Babar is as talented as Kohli, Inzimam > Tendulkar , Ahmed Shehzad > Tendulkar is because fans ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Shezzy, Babar or Inzimam were as good as Kohli and Tendulkar.

The players have a ceiling and no amount of aggressive mindset can change the BASIC SKILLS of a player.

You MUST HAVE A PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE OR SKILLSET. YOU work around that skillset or attribute to IMPROVE it and along the way you gain confidence, perfection and attitude. And finally the mindset changes to aggression.

A case right in front of you is the spinner Shadab who pretends he is the most aggressive all rounder EVER and averages 42 with the ball and 10 with the bat for last 1 year.

Do you think he doesnt want to bowl like Warne?

How has aggression treated him in being the best spinner or batsmen?

Nada.

Zilch.

He is simply not good enough to land 2 balls in same place.

Similarly, Babar, Rizwan and Imam ALL WANT TO HIT 6 OF EVERY BALL.

Who wouldnt?

Every player who plays wants to score a goal, hit a winner on every shot or hit a 6 off every delivery.

But only few players become ELITE STRIKERS, even fewer win Grand Slams, and even fewer become ATGs of the game like Kohli.

Only test of fire makes fine steel they say.

But if you put mud in the fire its only going to be smoke and ashes.
I have never compared Babar's greatness and caliber with any of the batting greats, past and present, ever, and I never said aggressive mindset will make a player an ATG/GOAT. Being Timid however DOES result in a performance below the ceiling hence aggression will take them up closer to their ceiling.

It is ludicrous to compare Babar with Kohli for example, 2 completely different players and mindsets. I don't even compare statistics, because I firmly believe it is not the number of runs or wickets you take that make you a great, it is when you score the runs and when you take the wickets that make you a great. Sanath Jayasuriya has MORE ODI wickets than Shane Warne, does this make Sanath a better ODI bowler than Warne? No, absolutely not. Inzi's innings in the 1992 SF vs NZ was probably the best WC ODI innings I have seen by a Pakistani and it was a mere score of 60.

The majority of fans these days were raised on T20, they have no idea of what pacing an innings actually means which is why they are expecting boundaries every single ball. Plus aggression is part of the solution for Pakistan, not the full solution. We have seen a thread on how aggressive Australia are by hitting the most number of 6s in the 1-10 PP phase in ODIs 2023, yet Australia have lost 6 out of 7 games vs India in 2023, more than half of ODIs played in India.

No one can sit here and say the likes of Babar are talentless players, but because of their love for T20, they want Babar to smash sixes around the park, when he is clearly an accumulator.

Pakistan's approach to batting, be it setting a target, or chasing a score, doesn't just boil down to the ceiling of players - which can be mitigated by having a balanced team and positive mindset - but rather how they approach RR.

I can double dog guarantee that before Pakistan walked out to bat this morning they had a 6 RR in their mind because 300+ was their target. We saw a lot of overs today with singles and then a boundary, across 1 or 2 overs, which is why for the most part before the collapse the RR fluctuated between 5 and 6, but Pakistan always take the RR literally rather than holistically, which simply means, once a wicket falls, and the RR falls, Pakistan get out trying to maintain the literal rate of 6 runs per over, AND try to play catch up on lost runs, rather than keep calm and aim for the holistic RR which could mean anything from thrashing the PP then strike rotation to a 300+ score.

Look at every other team like Australia, India, England, New Zealand, and even SA, they all aim for a holistic RR.

Pakistan's main problem? Pakistan play the calculation, not the situation, which is precisely why the key to ODI/Test batting is knowing when to accelerate (which requires aggression) and when to decelerate (which requires patience) a batting innings.
 
Pakistan were 155 for 2 at 29 overs. Going at 5 plus. If there was no collapse Pakistan would have scored 300.

Babar and Rizwan knew the batting is fragile and that's why they were careful and wanted to save wickets.

Their fears came true, batting collapsed after them.
That's just excuse of staving off themselves they were using all throughout their career, Didn't Pakistan won recently when Babar and Rizwan hasn't done anything and other Batsman stepped up , One more thing against good sides it's 90% times pakistani bowling won them.
Yesterday if you saw Rizwan came with intent he wanted to take down Jadeja But that other guy Who's bang average player was playing to improve his minnowish record against India that was proper 350 pitch and their score was like 37 (50 balls) at once in game. If not trundler Shardul garbage it would've been more ugly.

Rizwan is atleast fighter guy despite his limitations that guy always does well .
But on the other hand Babar always does tuk tuk and That more often creates pressure on Rizzi yesterday Rizzi got out on almost unplayable delivery.

It's mind boggling than here fans compare him With Kohli and Rohit🤣
Even in his dream he can't match their stroke play.
Even imam has 55 Average 🤣 Don't tell me Babar has 58 average talk about impact strike rate and against whom they scored.
Rizzi ,fakhar'Chachu,Saheen,Naseem ,Rauf they won pakistan more matches than this Bradman.

Almost all famous Pakistani cricket Analyst don't rate this guy beyond average and here is another world where he's Bradman and some are saying better than Rohit, Kohli 🤣

You can watch what your YouTuber cricket Analyst opinion ,i am stating here follow them you will know reality.

"Wasay Habib"

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Rizwan haider
 
Pakistan had decent support in the Asia Cup and still lost by 228 runs against India.

The team needs to man up and admit their problems, issues rather than making lame excuses of playing in front of a hostile crowd. This was a chance for the team to become heroes.
Let's stop pretending the crowd doesn't make a difference. Not all the difference, but it does contribute.

How about the so called "We want the best for Pakistan" fans man up?

No other fan base or ex-professionals, be it for India, Australia, England or NZ, are so highly critical and abusive towards their countrymen in PUBLIC when their team does not perform to expectation. Even on PP, Rizwan gets a beating when he does not score, but when he does (vs SL for example), he still gets a beating despite a record breaking WC chase. Where's the encouragement when a player performs, or mans up? No, lets undermine Pakistan's winning performance instead.

Pakistan has challenges, as does every other team. If you think India is the yardstick of cricket seeing as how most fans on here compare Pakistan players with Indian players, and not just today, but everyday, then how comes India has not won every ICC trophy since 2011 despite their ethos, bench-strength, talent and mentality, and all these attribute being consistent over the past 12 years or so?

I will say it again, Pakistan does not have a talent problem, but the main problem with Pakistan is mindset, which includes lack of aggression/intent.

Fix the mindset problem and you will see a new Pakistan team. How long ago was the series in SL where everyone was praising the team! Well, same key players, different tournament, but lets get the knives out instead of trying to understand why Pakistan's mindset fluctuates as a team from series to series, tournament to tournament, and put forward suggestions on how to instill a steady mindset.
 
Hardik Pandya believes Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan displayed a reserved approach in their batting, opting not to take risks.

Pakistan started strongly but lost their openers before skipper Babar Azam (50) and Mohammad Rizwan (49) attempted to rebuild and hit back in their stand of 82.

Despite the aforementioned partnership, Pakistan eventually collapsed and were bowled out for 191.

While speaking to Star Sports after India beat Pakistan by seven wickets on Saturday, Pandya said that the duo’s cautious style gave India a consistent sense of being in control of the game.

"Babar and Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we thought we were always in the game. There wasn’t much in the pitch for the bowlers. They didn’t try going for shots or attacked us, which is why we were able to bowl dot balls. I have seen that if two players bat in the same way, if one gets out, then it opens up a lot of doors," Pandya said.

Mohammad Amir echoed similar thoughts as Hardik Pandya.

"Babar played all his innings under pressure and when the time came for a charge he couldn't," Amir said.

"The stature of a batter like him must have taken the innings along and we can't blame the middle-order batters because they (Babar and Rizwan) had set the stage.

"Why do I highly rate Virat Kohli because he takes the game on his own and finishes. It's a sign of a big player. The game went away when we lost Babar and Rizwan. Amir added


https://www.cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/amp/babar-and-rizwan-were-timid-hardik-pandya
 
Hardik has worked it out too our batsmen simply play for milestones and hope they get freebies like against Sri Lanka that’s why their level is beating minnows and low ranked teams whilst falling short against the best teams.

Everyone has worked this out now it will take a big effort to recover from this as there is a big match against Australia upcoming and if any team can play their batsmen back into form its Pakistan.
 
I think pandya hasn't checked the icc rankings

Pakistan is no 1 ranked team
Babar is no 1 ranked batsmen
Rizwan is no 2 ranked batman
May be you haven’t checked the ICC rankings.

Currently, India is the #1 ranked team in ODIs.

and Rizwan is not there in the Top 10.


 
Shame on Pandya if he had said such thing. He should mind his own game and focus on what he can do to help India instead of making comments on opposition players.
He has a history of making stupid comments and statements.
 
I know it’s a little bit of a disrespectful comment.

But, was he wrong or was he right?

What about our bowlers boasting before every IndoPak match that they're planning to take Kohli’s wicket?
 
May be you haven’t checked the ICC rankings.

Currently, India is the #1 ranked team in ODIs.

and Rizwan is not there in the Top 10.


Maybe you don't get the sarcasm
 
Shame on Pandya if he had said such thing. He should mind his own game and focus on what he can do to help India instead of making comments on opposition players.
He has a history of making stupid comments and statements.
I don't think he had a dig at rizwan babar or pakistan he just stated why his team won the game today
 
Completely wrong on Pandya's part to comment on opponent's players on any aspect. What he should hv said is "Ind hv never won an ICC tournament since I started playing. So, I decline to comment"
 
We know this since 3 years now . They are timid and get away with average bowling but when quality comes they fail .
 
Would have liked to see him say that on the field. Too much of teddy bear hugs between the two teams, bring the aggression back in the game like Akthar, Miandad, Sehwag, Afridi, Gambhir in Pak-India games, as long as no swearing or personal attacks are involved.

Perhaps Indian players taunting might bring our team out of mental breakdown against them and force them to play aggressive. And it's fun to see for the rivalry regardless of pointless streaks
 
I wouldn’t have mind 250 all out in 38 overs but show the aggressive intent from the 1st over and when you show your intent from the start it creates pressure on the bowling side and they start losing their line and lengths and starts experimenting to stop the runs and getting the wickets and 4/5 times it doesn’t work for the bowling side and the batting side actually ends up scoring 330 plus , surely we don’t have the talent to score 350+ consistently but definitely we can get 330+ more often then not against any bowling lineup if we have aggressive mindset from the get go , yea there will be occasional 220/240 all out in 40 overs mark because we lacks talent but trust me more often then not it will 330+ most of the times on these batting wickets.
 
Babars timid approach of safety first is actually means we are playing on 75% potential with our talent and actually allowing the bowling side to settle in with aggressive line and lengths and getting aggressive with the field setting as well and his stubbornness to not dropping out of form players because they might click in that one game and somehow become world beater after that one game is simply delusional and might work in Babar’s dream but not in reality, there is still time to change the captain and our strategy for the remainder of the worldcup , we possibly don’t have the talent to win the worldcup but still but I don’t mind going down hard and causing panic in to the opposition bowling and fielding due to our aggressive batting
 
I wouldn’t have mind 250 all out in 38 overs but show the aggressive intent from the 1st over and when you show your intent from the start it creates pressure on the bowling side and they start losing their line and lengths and starts experimenting to stop the runs and getting the wickets and 4/5 times it doesn’t work for the bowling side and the batting side actually ends up scoring 330 plus , surely we don’t have the talent to score 350+ consistently but definitely we can get 330+ more often then not against any bowling lineup if we have aggressive mindset from the get go , yea there will be occasional 220/240 all out in 40 overs mark because we lacks talent but trust me more often then not it will 330+ most of the times on these batting wickets.
Bhai, that’s good idea, but anyone will take 250/10 in 38 overs when the actual was 191/10 in 42. Have you thought of a situation where targeting 250 in 38 overs might end at 150 in 35?

If you really think that you have enough talent to score 330+ against any attack even on a batting belter, only the mindset is reducing it by 100….. then the solution is very easy - needs few motivational speech; there are many in utube, for free.
 
Pak fans also accept this. In the match, people were busy doing bhangra over the silence of the crowds and yet, despite all those boundaries, Pakistan were not even going at 6rpo when Shafique fell. He had earlier straight-smashed Bumrah which suggested he believed the pitch was not offering anything.
 
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I don't blame babar or rizwan in this.

Pakistan faces the same issue that India used to face in the 90s. If Tendu goes out, then switch off the tv. There was THAT much lack of confidence in other players.

Rohit and Gill can play freely because they know that Kohli is there. Even if both goes out, Kohli can hold one end while either Rahul or Pandya can keep the RR at check. If kohli goes out, change to the plan B and survive till 41-42 overs. Then go berserk with Jadeja in the wing while either rahul or pandya can take the lead.

If one of the top 3 stays, then India can easily cross 300.

If none is there, others can still consolidate to 260-270 which does give bowling some room to breath.

Pakistan can not take India's approach. It will be suicidal.
 
Shame on Pandya if he had said such thing. He should mind his own game and focus on what he can do to help India instead of making comments on opposition players.
He has a history of making stupid comments and statements.
Taken out of context lol I don't think he worried about why they batted the way they batted. He merely hinted why they believed they could come back despite only 2 down. India had 6 overs of Bumrah in the tank with 20 overs to go. So it is imperative for set batsmen to take calculated risks against specific bowlers. Not going at one pace against all bowlers. I know India has no weak links as all of them are specialist bowlers. But you still have to target someone. In this case Jadeja is a good candidate to go after since they couldn't go after. If you look at Afghanistan they did target Siraj.
 
This thread can be revisited when they play New zealand who has just 3 specialist bowlers. Boult, Henry, Santner. Rest of the overs are made up of Mitchell, Rachin, Glenn Philips. England failed to target their 4th and 5th option as NZ employed clever field sets on a large ground. Pakistan should have gained some knowledge out of it and target their 4th and 5th options. If they don't do that this thread will become even more relevant.
 
Taken out of context lol I don't think he worried about why they batted the way they batted. He merely hinted why they believed they could come back despite only 2 down. India had 6 overs of Bumrah in the tank with 20 overs to go. So it is imperative for set batsmen to take calculated risks against specific bowlers. Not going at one pace against all bowlers. I know India has no weak links as all of them are specialist bowlers. But you still have to target someone. In this case Jadeja is a good candidate to go after since they couldn't go after. If you look at Afghanistan they did target Siraj.
I don't trust Siraj to be honest. To me, he is the weakest link in the team (except the rotating position in the middle order). More of a hit or miss. His main purpose seems to be get hit but in the process, get the break through when nothing else is working. So kinda works but risky.
 
Pak fans also accept this. In the match thread, people like @Major were busy doing bhangra over the silence of the crowds and yet, despite all those boundaries, Pakistan were not even going at 6rpo when Shafique fell. He had earlier straight-smashed Bumrah which suggested he believed the pitch was not offering anything.
Every pacer was going above 6 an over by the 30th over.
 
Every pacer was going above 6 an over by the 30th over.
That is one way of looking at it. Other way is Between 12th over and 28th over Pakistan slowed down. In 16 overs they scored 76 runs for 1 wicket. This is the phase Pandya was referring to. Understood if it is on a turning wicket. This had nothing for any bowlers as Pandya said. All the fours seamers conceded happened mostly in the beginning. Apart from Azmatullah's one four against Bumrah most of them were very poor balls than batsman taking the initiative. To be blunt Afghan players more aggressive putting away even good balls.
 
How is the team supposed to perform when we have the most TOXIC fans in the world? Life in general and cricket in particular is all about confidence which our players lack.

If we were chasing 190 odd, we would have targeted chasing it down in the 48th-49th over. But India didn't as there players get external confidence from fans and then they internalize that in their game.

I was watching the game with a friend today and he didn't know that Babar won the ICC Player of the year award last year and Shaheen the year before that. We NEVER celebrate our current players like other teams do. Our media, ex-cricketers involved in underperforming in their playing days, fans no one celebrates our current cricketers.

Virat Kohli was a beast in ODI from 2014 to 2019 but in the 3 most important ODI games during this time period:
2015 WC semi-final vs Australia
2017 CT final vs Pakistan
2019 WC semi-final vs New Zealand

He got out on single figures in all 3 matches and India lost all 3 matches. BUT HIS PEOPLE STILL CONSIDERED HIM THE BIGGEST BRAND and he won the t20 WC game last year against us single handedly as he has full confidence in himself and his abilities.

How Babar responded to the journalist yesterday who asked him that losing the game against India can cost him his captaincy SHOWED that he listens to things said about him and his captaincy and that AFFECTS him.

See by unnecessarily criticizing all the time, we do more harm than good. This takes away the confidence our players have in themselves and in turn, it's our loss as PAKISTAN LOSES.

Lol that's completly not true. Indian fans are the most critical fans on the entire planet. Kohli's Instagram and his twitter blow up in negativity of we underperformed during key events.

Unless you have a laid back Australian culture like Australian fans, everyone knows that Indian fans are 100x more judgmental to their players.

Literally in 2021 one journalist straight up talked to kohli whike he was captain and said kohli drop rohit sharma, he doesn't perform and he's useless.

And kohli said Literally gave that guy a shut up call lol 😂.

Indian players know how to handle media negativity, they just ignore it. The reason they can ignore it cause they don't spend their tines on twitter of Instagram, Most of the time they'll either hire someone to promote their brands or just not use it all.

When we get praise we relish in it and enjoy it. And when we get hate, pur players get sentimental.

Literally watch the movie Dhoni the untold story and see how Dhoni handled critisim in early years lol.

Lastly loyal pakistani fans don't overly critise, that's only Internet drama. Real life fans goo goo ga ga over our players and support them a bit too much with Bradman esc claims.

The problem is too much love not too much hate lol, anytime an analyst comes and says hey imam, can you play according to modern standards, except replies like

" No I'm untouchable, I'll launch parchi brand"
 
I don't trust Siraj to be honest. To me, he is the weakest link in the team (except the rotating position in the middle order). More of a hit or miss. His main purpose seems to be get hit but in the process, get the break through when nothing else is working. So kinda works but risky.

Well it's been working consistently lol
 
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