Pakistan PM Imran Khan Postpones UK Tour, Wanted Pact Similar To India: Report

[MenInG]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/853349-imran-postpones-uk-visit

Prime Minister Imran Khan's visit to the UK, scheduled for next month, will not go ahead as Pakistan wanted engagement with the UK beyond just a cricket match and a ceremonial meeting, while the UK government didn’t come up with any substantive offer as desired by Pakistan, according to credible sources in both the UK and Pakistan administration.

The government of Pakistan has said that PM Khan’s visit will not go ahead “due to internal security, political and regional situation,” but credible sources on both sides have told The News and the Geo News that PM Khan’s visit has been postponed as Pakistan wanted a UK-Pakistan partnership “road map for 10 years”, similar to the pact signed between the UK and India last month to deepen the bilateral relationship with a focus on trade and defense. This would have been Imran Khan’s first visit to the UK as prime minister.

This scribe had reported two weeks ago exclusively that the UK and Pakistan are discussing PM Imran Khan’s UK travel to watch a Pakistan-England cricket match on either 8th or 10th July next month and also hold talks with PM Boris Johnson.

The idea for the visit was raised by the UK government in the form of a cricket-friendly tour of the former cricket-star-turned-politician but then the Pakistani side told the UK that a visit only for the cricket match and a meeting with PM Johnson will be unjustifiable and will backfire if there are no agreements signed. Pakistan, the source shared, wanted the visit to raise the relationship between the two countries to a thorough strategic partnership, focussing on people-to-people connections, climate action, health, trade, immigration and culture.

The UK government didn’t respond to these proposals by Pakistan despite two reminders in the span of two weeks, said a source familiar with the negotiations, and remained stuck only to the offer of the cricket match viewing and a visit to the 10 Downing Street for a meeting with PM Johnson.

Pakistan then told the UK govt that it was not interested only in the visit with one meeting with the British PM and a cricket match. “There is no purpose of the visit during the pandemic involving all the hassle if there are no group level discussions and no agreements signed,” said the source.

The UK government didn’t officially comment to the query by The News but a credible source said that PM Imran Khan is likely to visit the UK later this year for the 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference, also known as COP26, scheduled to be held in the city of Glasgow under the presidency of the United Kingdom.

Another source in the PTI government shared that the PM Imran Khan’s friends and Pakistan government, through Pakistan High Commission London, wanted to hold a reception for PM Khan at the Wembley Stadium and also hold several meetings with the business community and diaspora but the Covid restrictions in the UK meant that this was not possible. “We will wait for the UK to go to the final tier of relaxation and then plan the grand visit. The PM would stay in the UK for 3-4 days if that happens. There was no point in visiting for one cricket match,” shared the source.

PM Imran Khan was expected to leave for the UK on the invitation of Prime Minister Boris Johnson in the first week of July. The Govt of Pakistan said yesterday the PM has decided to postpone the visit citing important issues which he would like to monitor himself. "PM Imran Khan will himself monitor the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan," sources told Geo News. On June 7, PM Johnson held a telephonic discussion with his Pakistani counterpart and invited him to visit the UK.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a shame. I suppose China will take advantage and consolidate their growing influence over Pakistan while Britain puts all it's eggs into the India basket.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

What a shame. I suppose China will take advantage and consolidate their growing influence over Pakistan while Britain puts all it's eggs into the India basket.

and turn Pakistan into a province of China?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

and turn Pakistan into a province of China?

I don't believe so, but Pakistan can become a province of Britain or India for all I care, if the result is prosperity for Pakistan and it's citizens.

 

[PetroDollars]

with brexit, both india and pakistan can play a great role in replacing europe in UK

 

[mazkhan]

Forget it there is a strong Indian presence in bojos cabinet and the indian lobby is strong.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Forget it there is a strong Indian presence in bojos cabinet and the indian lobby is strong.

Which is fine, that may suit Britain and India, but obviously Pakistan will look at their own interests, and one would imagine that will push them to look for other options, and I'm guessing that means the China/Russian axis.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Pakistan is on the right track. Pakistan should develop a selfish mentality like other countries. That's how the world works. Enough with charity mentality and "I-care-about the Islamic world" mentality. Being friends with China brings benefits so be it. Being friends with Russia brings benefits so be it. At the end of the day, every country thinks about itself so should Pakistan.

 

[PetroDollars]

Forget it there is a strong Indian presence in bojos cabinet and the indian lobby is strong.

The indian presence isnt exactly an indian presence, there african indians who are more loyal to the UK then india, because the british gave them a higher status in Uganda then the Ugandans. They love the brits for that.

However there is an indian lobby, that can lobby them, but just like there is an pakistani lobby too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont know how true the OP is, but deals with an economy whose size is $3 tn and another with $280bn wont be on the same level. The leverage they enjoy will be different.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Imran is doing the right thing, not just to the UK but to a lot of other nations ,wanting his country to be treated with respect.

There is no point IK coming to the UK. He will have to deal with one of the most idiotic leaders in Boris. IK could teach this fool a lot of things esp how to stop so many deaths due to Covid.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Right call. No respect no relationship.

 

[PetroDollars]

Imran is doing the right thing, not just to the UK but to a lot of other nations ,wanting his country to be treated with respect.

There is no point IK coming to the UK. He will have to deal with one of the most idiotic leaders in Boris. IK could teach this fool a lot of things esp how to stop so many deaths due to Covid.

To be respected you need to create that respect, IK on the other hand is doing everything to make pakistan more hated than ever.

secondly this isnt your school playground where you ignore powerful world leaders because you dont like them, in politics and diplomacy you need to create relations and trade and win them over its how it works, being egoistic doesnt get you anywhere which can be seen the way IK does his politics, right now theres no one he can teach anything to, not even the corupt mafia in pakistan.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Forget it there is a strong Indian presence in bojos cabinet and the indian lobby is strong.

Beside this factor of indian lobby (and the likes of Priti Patel & Rishi Sunak), its also the large consumer base in india, which Britain is after. That’s ok if it brings good value to British citizens. However a few issues with this approach:

1. Britain doesn’t really make any thing of value that can be exported on mass market basis.
2. There is no more monopoly of the colonial empire to regulate and control who buys what from whom. Unlike colonial times, india can now choose to procure things in an open market.
3. India has a large population but Pakistan is also the 5th most populous country in the world, so also there is a potential consumer base in there.
4. Britain no longer has a clout over anything in world affairs (if anything its weaker after leaving the EU), it can’t really veto things in the UN unanimously, it has a shrinking royal army, it hasn’t got many advanced weapons to sell. Even the ICC has moved its HQ to Dubai. So what can it bring to the table?

As a British pakistani, i feel sorry for the state of today’s Britain. Its going downhill rappidly and in the process looking for things to cling onto. Unfortunately none of it will materialise in today’s world. We need a change within to get the UK out of this downward spiral.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

To be respected you need to create that respect, IK on the other hand is doing everything to make pakistan more hated than ever.

secondly this isnt your school playground where you ignore powerful world leaders because you dont like them, in politics and diplomacy you need to create relations and trade and win them over its how it works, being egoistic doesnt get you anywhere which can be seen the way IK does his politics, right now theres no one he can teach anything to, not even the corupt mafia in pakistan.

Exactly. Imran isn’t very bright or intelligent. He may be honest in his intentions but that alone isn’t sufficient to lead a country out of its troubles.

 

[PetroDollars]

Exactly. Imran isn’t very bright or intelligent. He may be honest in his intentions but that alone isn’t sufficient to lead a country out of its troubles.

its actually the complete opposite, he is an intelligent man but not honest and is playing the islamic fundamentalism card to appease voters, hes clearly studied Machiavelli.

 

[PetroDollars]

Beside this factor of indian lobby (and the likes of Priti Patel & Rishi Sunak), its also the large consumer base in india, which Britain is after. That’s ok if it brings good value to British citizens. However a few issues with this approach:

1. Britain doesn’t really make any thing of value that can be exported on mass market basis.
2. There is no more monopoly of the colonial empire to regulate and control who buys what from whom. Unlike colonial times, india can now choose to procure things in an open market.
3. India has a large population but Pakistan is also the 5th most populous country in the world, so also there is a potential consumer base in there.
4. Britain no longer has a clout over anything in world affairs (if anything its weaker after leaving the EU), it can’t really veto things in the UN unanimously, it has a shrinking royal army, it hasn’t got many advanced weapons to sell. Even the ICC has moved its HQ to Dubai. So what can it bring to the table?

As a British pakistani, i feel sorry for the state of today’s Britain. Its going downhill rappidly and in the process looking for things to cling onto. Unfortunately none of it will materialise in today’s world. We need a change within to get the UK out of this downward spiral.

Britian actually has the largest financial service industry which it exports, however this is only important for robust economies with large businesses, pakistans large population has no need for Britain's financial services other than maybe the ISI and its businesses.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Britian actually has the largest financial service industry which it exports, however this is only important for robust economies with large businesses, pakistans large population has no need for Britain's financial services other than maybe the ISI and its businesses.

India also is offering the “Services Industry” at a Discount price. They are direct competitors to the UK.

Also within EU the banking sector is moving away from London, thanks to Brex(sh)it.

 

[Giannis]

I dont know how true the OP is, but deals with an economy whose size is $3 tn and another with $280bn wont be on the same level. The leverage they enjoy will be different.

It's not about the economy size, India has 1.35 billion people so it's not very impressive. It's more about geopolitics and to a lesser degree in what you have to sell. Qatar has a GDP of $175 billion and has much closer ties to the UK, Qataris can enter the UK visa free while Indians can't. New Zealand has a GDP of just $200 billion but is considerably closer to the UK due to cultural ties and geopolitics. For America, Israel with a GDP of $390 billion is far more important than India with their $3 trillion GDP.

 

[Itachi]

Beside this factor of indian lobby (and the likes of Priti Patel & Rishi Sunak), its also the large consumer base in india, which Britain is after. That’s ok if it brings good value to British citizens. However a few issues with this approach:

1. Britain doesn’t really make any thing of value that can be exported on mass market basis.
2. There is no more monopoly of the colonial empire to regulate and control who buys what from whom. Unlike colonial times, india can now choose to procure things in an open market.
3. India has a large population but Pakistan is also the 5th most populous country in the world, so also there is a potential consumer base in there.
4. Britain no longer has a clout over anything in world affairs (if anything its weaker after leaving the EU), it can’t really veto things in the UN unanimously, it has a shrinking royal army, it hasn’t got many advanced weapons to sell. Even the ICC has moved its HQ to Dubai. So what can it bring to the table?

As a British pakistani, i feel sorry for the state of today’s Britain. Its going downhill rappidly and in the process looking for things to cling onto. Unfortunately none of it will materialise in today’s world. We need a change within to get the UK out of this downward spiral.

I thought Rishi sunak was doing great for UK. there's a thread in PP where people are praising him.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I thought Rishi sunak was doing great for UK. there's a thread in PP where people are praising him.

Not so sure, what great is he (or any of the Borris ministers) are doing. He is just a posh Torry boy, who just happens to be of Indian origin. UK is rapidly going downhill, inflation is over the roof and not so good prospects for the young generation.

This has been the case for last 2-3 decades, which is why we are seeing the rise of right wing (as in BNP’s and Nigel Farrage and Brexits).

 

[Napa]

It's not about the economy size, India has 1.35 billion people so it's not very impressive. It's more about geopolitics and to a lesser degree in what you have to sell. Qatar has a GDP of $175 billion and has much closer ties to the UK, Qataris can enter the UK visa free while Indians can't. New Zealand has a GDP of just $200 billion but is considerably closer to the UK due to cultural ties and geopolitics. For America, Israel with a GDP of $390 billion is far more important than India with their $3 trillion GDP.

UK may give Qatar visa free entry, but culturally most Brits have contempt for Middle East dictatorships. Visa free entry is due to Qatar being rich due to oil, and Qataris are not going to migrate to UK where they will have to work to pay their bills.

Visa free entry is not a measure of closeness. NZ has a special relationship with UK because NZ citizens are mostly UK ancestry.

A country of 1.35 billion with a 3 trillion dollar is courted for other reasons. Comparing India's relation with UK with relations with Qatar and NZ doesn't make sense, the objectives are different, and what India can provide UK and vice-versa has no comparison with Qatar and NZ.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's not about the economy size, India has 1.35 billion people so it's not very impressive. It's more about geopolitics and to a lesser degree in what you have to sell. Qatar has a GDP of $175 billion and has much closer ties to the UK, Qataris can enter the UK visa free while Indians can't. New Zealand has a GDP of just $200 billion but is considerably closer to the UK due to cultural ties and geopolitics. For America, Israel with a GDP of $390 billion is far more important than India with their $3 trillion GDP.

UK wants access to the fastest growing trillion dollar economy in the world, thats India. It wants to access a 3tn dollar economy thats growing at 7 per cent plus a year. Pakistan doesn't have a market like that

Visa free entry is not a sign of ties. Indians allow Maldivians to come to India on a visa on arrival basis, while UK or US citizens have to apply and get Visa.

Israel is a treaty ally of US. US is bound to protect Israel's existence.

These are different things.

Right now, after Brexit, UK needs access to the 3tn dollar Indian market, while India is cultivating ties with a P5 nation, which also has some advance defence manufacturers and is a big market for Indian goods and has a big Indian diaspora.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

UK may give Qatar visa free entry, but culturally most Brits have contempt for Middle East dictatorships. Visa free entry is due to Qatar being rich due to oil, and Qataris are not going to migrate to UK where they will have to work to pay their bills.

Culturally most Brits have contempt for Indian culture as well, it's all about the money. Qatar get favours because as you rightly say, they are oil rich. Financial gain will also be the reason why Brits will favour India over Pakistan, not really got that much to do with culture or any other factors so much. Which is fine, everyone has to look out for themselves, that is why you are seeing Pakistan steadily looking to maintain important partnerships closer to home.

 

[mazkhan]

UK wants access to the fastest growing trillion dollar economy in the world, thats India. It wants to access a 3tn dollar economy thats growing at 7 per cent plus a year. Pakistan doesn't have a market like that

Visa free entry is not a sign of ties. Indians allow Maldivians to come to India on a visa on arrival basis, while UK or US citizens have to apply and get Visa.

Israel is a treaty ally of US. US is bound to protect Israel's existence.

These are different things.

Right now, after Brexit, UK needs access to the 3tn dollar Indian market, while India is cultivating ties with a P5 nation, which also has some advance defence manufacturers and is a big market for Indian goods and has a big Indian diaspora.

There's nothing the UK produces that India needs

The UK is finished you need to live here and realise how the majority of the country is actually in the toilet , massive inequalities and inner city deprivation . I see all these indian students here working in petrol stations , subways , amazon, pizza delivery absolute joke . I've never seen Chinese students lower themselves to that level

 

[Itachi]

There's nothing the UK produces that India needs

The UK is finished you need to live here and realise how the majority of the country is actually in the toilet , massive inequalities and inner city deprivation . I see all these indian students here working in petrol stations , subways , amazon, pizza delivery absolute joke . I've never seen Chinese students lower themselves to that level

working in petrol stations, pizza delivery is bringing to "LOWER LEVEL"????

Did you mean working there, they should lose the label called "being human"?

My friend, you may be rich and live in a big house, big cars with foods that you may waste. May be not all people have that kind of privilege.

Some people have to work on "THAT LOWER LEVEL" to meet their demands.

wherever the country is going, this kind of superiority complex attitude actually irks me. You are rich and you have "UPPER LEVEL", Good for you and be proud about it.

That doesn't mean you should insult the people who is trying to survive. That's just basic human courtesy.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

working in petrol stations, pizza delivery is bringing to "LOWER LEVEL"????

Did you mean working there, they should lose the label called "being human"?

My friend, you may be rich and live in a big house, big cars with foods that you may waste. May be not all people have that kind of privilege.

Some people have to work on "THAT LOWER LEVEL" to meet their demands.

wherever the country is going, this kind of superiority complex attitude actually irks me. You are rich and you have "UPPER LEVEL", Good for you and be proud about it.

That doesn't mean you should insult the people who is trying to survive. That's just basic human courtesy.

I don't know why he is saying that because even Pakistani students do the same thing no matter how rich they are back home. There is no shame in working odd jobs to make the ends meet.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

There's nothing the UK produces that India needs

The UK is finished you need to live here and realise how the majority of the country is actually in the toilet , massive inequalities and inner city deprivation . I see all these indian students here working in petrol stations , subways , amazon, pizza delivery absolute joke . I've never seen Chinese students lower themselves to that level

I disagree and there is nothing Low abt doing these menial jobs. Infact it gives you valuable life lessons and helps with building a good work ethic.

Also in eyes of Europeans (and most non Desi people), there isnt really any differentiation between Indians and Pakistanis for most intents & purposes we are just lumped together. And rightly so, we are essentially the same people just with different labels.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There's nothing the UK produces that India needs

The UK is finished you need to live here and realise how the majority of the country is actually in the toilet , massive inequalities and inner city deprivation . I see all these indian students here working in petrol stations , subways , amazon, pizza delivery absolute joke . I've never seen Chinese students lower themselves to that level

UK still has advanced weapons manufacturers like BAE or jet engine manufacturer like Rolls Royce.

Indian origin people are also the richest immigrants in UK, while economically Pakistanis are near the bottom. Indian origin people also happen to hold high government positions in UK, something Chinese don't.

There is nothing wrong in working any legal jobs. Nothing.

 

[gani999]

1. Britain doesn’t really make any thing of value that can be exported on mass market basis.

How about automobiles ( no 8 in the world), aircraft engines (no 4 in the world) and military hardware, to name a few? Britain may not cater to the mass market but it is still a strong manufacturing base for high end items.

I agree that the UK should consider doing more trade with countries like Pakistan. They are desperately in need of new markets after brexit, and they should reach out to countries other than the US, China and India.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There's nothing the UK produces that India needs

The UK is finished you need to live here and realise how the majority of the country is actually in the toilet , massive inequalities and inner city deprivation . I see all these indian students here working in petrol stations , subways , amazon, pizza delivery absolute joke . I've never seen Chinese students lower themselves to that level

Very strange post bro. The UK is far from finished and is still a major player on the world stage...albeit it has significantly fallen in stature.

Secondly no need to belittle Indians working in menial jobs. Not everybody is born into wealth or privilege.

I admire anyone from the SC who leaves their countries and families and grafts abroad. These people are genuine heroes and its a shame you belittle them in such a way. These Indians you belittle are paying their way through a costly education and paving the way for a bright future. They will far outpeform people with bad and insensitive attitudes like yours.

 

[Varun]

It needn't be a choice between India and Pakistan.

Britain can trade with both.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

How about automobiles ( no 8 in the world), aircraft engines (no 4 in the world) and military hardware, to name a few? Britain may not cater to the mass market but it is still a strong manufacturing base for high end items.

I agree that the UK should consider doing more trade with countries like Pakistan. They are desperately in need of new markets after brexit, and they should reach out to countries other than the US, China and India.

There are no indigenous British automobile manufacturers left. All british automobile companies are now just brands of of other foreign companies. The car manufacturing in the UK is in serious decline be it closure of long-bridge and Sunderland factories or the sale of last remaining british brands.

Aircraft engine supplier isnt the same thing as an Aircraft manufacture and is not a mass market product. Secondly india hasnt got its own commercial aircraft manufacturer, so who will they sell to?

Military hardware, i am not sure what mention worthy stuff is manufactured and exported by the BAE systems but again i doubt that there is much trade potential here on a commercial mass market basis.

 

[Local.Dada]

Why the equivalence with India?. Imran could have pointed out what he wanted and what he didn’t like about the pact. There is 0 equivalence between India and Pakistan in any of the metrics.

Usually I see this with few Pakistanis, everything good about India’s progress is overrated even though Pakistan doesn’t have the same credentials

On they flip side every problems in India is magnified ironically these problems are not so different or more or less the same that Pakistan has.

Apart from respect for Islam etc haven’t seen Imran actually even remotely come up with something tangible that would attract western investors.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Why the equivalence with India?. Imran could have pointed out what he wanted and what he didn’t like about the pact. There is 0 equivalence between India and Pakistan in any of the metrics.

Usually I see this with few Pakistanis, everything good about India’s progress is overrated even though Pakistan doesn’t have the same credentials

On they flip side every problems in India is magnified ironically these problems are not so different or more or less the same that Pakistan has.

Apart from respect for Islam etc haven’t seen Imran actually even remotely come up with something tangible that would attract western investors.

There obviously is a question of equivalence and Imran Khan is absolutely right in doing that.
If there was none, you wouldn’t be found on this very Pakistani discussion forum and questioning what Pakistanis think. You could easily have tried looking for opinions on a Polish, columbian or a Nigerian discussion forum.

It goes both ways. So accept it for what it actually is.

 

[Local.Dada]

There obviously is a question of equivalence and Imran Khan is absolutely right in doing that.
If there was none, you wouldn’t be found on this very Pakistani discussion forum and questioning what Pakistanis think. You could easily have tried looking for opinions on a Polish, columbian or a Nigerian discussion forum.

It goes both ways. So accept it for what it actually is.

That’s dumb conclusion. There are no equivalences for Pakistan and India in terms of stature in an economical or diplomatic metrics. One must be really delusional to think there is.

However yes there is a cultural proximity and more than there is cricket. May be not today but there has always been a fair equivalence between India and Pakistan in cricket. We are rivals, some times one team is better than the other or they are more or less on equal footing.

I am not trying to be condescending or chest thumping because there is no real need here but how many Indians know of famous Pakistani movies or artists compared to Pakistanis familiar with Indian pop culture. I might be ignorant and you can make fun of me but few years back I was surprised Pakistan had private news channels. I used to think there is only PTV and Indian channels in Pakistan.

In fact I have picked up on a lot of Pakistani pop culture (not religion) references by being on this forum and not all of it is negative, there are a lot of good things I have learnt too.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

That’s dumb conclusion. There are no equivalences for Pakistan and India in terms of stature in an economical or diplomatic metrics. One must be really delusional to think there is.

However yes there is a cultural proximity and more than there is cricket. May be not today but there has always been a fair equivalence between India and Pakistan in cricket. We are rivals, some times one team is better than the other or they are more or less on equal footing.

I am not trying to be condescending or chest thumping because there is no real need here but how many Indians know of famous Pakistani movies or artists compared to Pakistanis familiar with Indian pop culture. I might be ignorant and you can make fun of me but few years back I was surprised Pakistan had private news channels. I used to think there is only PTV and Indian channels in Pakistan.

In fact I have picked up on a lot of Pakistani pop culture (not religion) references by being on this forum and not all of it is negative, there are a lot of good things I have learnt too.

Hmm despite India being a 3rd world developing country with masses of deprived people and a lot of religious bigotry, communal issues etc you seem to be under the delusion that its somehow on paar with Europe or US. It isn’t.

This is the reason why you yourself are sitting in a western country.

All it has is a alot of population, so its a big (albeit poor) market. Just having some back office IT work outsourced to India, doesn’t alleviate to a level of developed countries. This is the reason why India is classed as a 3rd world country (alongside other subcontinent countries).

 

[Local.Dada]

Hmm despite India being a 3rd world developing country with masses of deprived people and a lot of religious bigotry, communal issues etc you seem to be under the delusion that its somehow on paar with Europe or US. It isn’t.

This is the reason why you yourself are sitting in a western country.

All it has is a alot of population, so its a big (albeit poor) market. Just having some back office IT work outsourced to India, doesn’t alleviate to a level of developed countries. This is the reason why India is classed as a 3rd world country (alongside other subcontinent countries).

I have never even mentioned any equivalence of India with US or Europe or neither have I noticed anyone say that at least on this thread.

However the point is India being way ahead of Pakistan in all metrics of progress and development .Thats the essence of this discussion.That right there is an indisputable fact. Trying to be bitter about it will not get you anywhere because it is staring right at you. Looks like I touched a nerve clearly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have never even mentioned any equivalence of India with US or Europe or neither have I noticed anyone say that at least on this thread.

However the point is India being way ahead of Pakistan in all metrics of progress and development .Thats the essence of this discussion.That right there is an indisputable fact. Trying to be bitter about it will not get you anywhere because it is staring right at you. Looks like I touched a nerve clearly.

The essence of this discussion should not be about metrics to prove India is better in all metrics of this or that, the thread itself is about Imran Khan not wanting to waste his time on ceremonial meetings or cricket matches, if UK can't offer a trade agreement because it might upset some other countries, then no point in wasting everyone's time.

The only reason Indian incomes in the UK becomes part of the discussion is because someone is feeling insecure and feels the need to prove their national worth in the UK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The essence of this discussion should not be about metrics to prove India is better in all metrics of this or that, the thread itself is about Imran Khan not wanting to waste his time on ceremonial meetings or cricket matches, if UK can't offer a trade agreement because it might upset some other countries, then no point in wasting everyone's time.

The only reason Indian incomes in the UK becomes part of the discussion is because someone is feeling insecure and feels the need to prove their national worth in the UK.

The OP mentions that Imran didnt go to UK as UK government didn't agree to give him a pact similar to India.

The insecure person is the guy who mentioned what jobs Indian students take up in UK.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The OP mentions that Imran didnt go to UK as UK government didn't agree to give him a pact similar to India.

The insecure person is the guy who mentioned what jobs Indian students take up in UK.

That would be you then in post #29.

 

[Local.Dada]

The essence of this discussion should not be about metrics to prove India is better in all metrics of this or that, the thread itself is about Imran Khan not wanting to waste his time on ceremonial meetings or cricket matches, if UK can't offer a trade agreement because it might upset some other countries, then no point in wasting everyone's time.

The only reason Indian incomes in the UK becomes part of the discussion is because someone is feeling insecure and feels the need to prove their national worth in the UK.

There is nothing left to prove about India being better than Pakistan in most if not all indexes when it comes to progress and development.it’s not even a debate in the real world. It becomes absolutely essential to start any discussion with some concrete facts. That’s why that attempt was made.

Now since that is established or you can establish it with our friend Google if it is not blocked where you live then the next point is due those very reasons Imran Khan cannot expect equivalence in getting the same package as India. Now of course it is admirable and well within his right to stand up for himself and raise his voice if he feels undermined but I feel even that should be reasonable. Doesn’t seem that way as once again the equivalence provided was with India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That would be you then in post #29.

No. That would be maz khan.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

There is nothing left to prove about India being better than Pakistan in most if not all indexes when it comes to progress and development.it’s not even a debate in the real world. It becomes absolutely essential to start any discussion with some concrete facts. That’s why that attempt was made.

Now since that is established or you can establish it with our friend Google if it is not blocked where you live then the next point is due those very reasons Imran Khan cannot expect equivalence in getting the same package as India. Now of course it is admirable and well within his right to stand up for himself and raise his voice if he feels undermined but I feel even that should be reasonable. Doesn’t seem that way as once again the equivalence provided was with India.

Your inadequacy can’t be satisfied by the hollow chest thumping on various internet forums. What shall we do if india is doing marginally better than Pakistan? Good for them but at the end of the day both are just poor, underdeveloped 3rd world countries. We dont care if you ve this desperate need for an ego boost by begging for a tap on the back and your opinion about “Mera bharat mahan” is irrelevant to this discussion.

In context of Imran Khan’s speech, he is absolutely right in drawing equivalence with India because geopolitically Pakistan is in a more important position than India, as it borders middle east, Central Asia and Afghanistan. Also Pakistan is the main overland route for chinese trade good movement and a possible gas pipeline from Central asia. Not to mention the relatively large consumer-base, being the 5th most populous country of the world.

All of these are important considerations that the US needs to be cognisant of. Hence Imran is right in reminding the US about what’s at stake. As for India, US is only trying to use it as a pawn against China but they should realise the capabilities of Bihar regiment.