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So we have recently seen Sri Lanka play a game in Pakistan, however I saw the team more of a A side then a international side however that’s my opinion.

We also seen Zimbabwe and world XI although that was just past the hill retire wanna be or has been cricketers.

All games were played in Lahore, and went ahead “successfully” the reason why I put that in quotations is because the parameters of it are subjective and down to ones perception.

Personally I feel the cricket in its rawest form went ahead successfully, however in today’s day and age that does not cut it.

The below standard stadium and below standard stadium lighting and production value is unacceptable and is honestly and insult.

Secondly pakistan is far from safe, the fact that players needed military protection escort and president level buses and transport and routers speaks volumes.

Players are on a curfew and can not leave the hotel and usb patrolled by the military at all

Oh and no I am not Indian and no I do not work for RAW. I am a Pakistani living abroad.
 
We have to take initial steps to restore cricket. Even if we host cricket after 20 years we still start with these basic steps. These small steps will lead to bigger steps. I think we are heading toward right direction. In Sha Allah soon all senior teams will start touring pakistan.
 
So we should play our cricket in UAE forever ?
We’re making slow steps to bring it back and it’s the right move
 
The only thing that needs to improve is the. Production Value and Quality.

I absolutely love the fact that cricket is partially back in Pakistan, but watching it on TV was a terrible experience... Just due to the fact that the production was poor.
 
So we have recently seen Sri Lanka play a game in Pakistan, however I saw the team more of a A side then a international side however that’s my opinion.

We also seen Zimbabwe and world XI although that was just past the hill retire wanna be or has been cricketers.

All games were played in Lahore, and went ahead “successfully” the reason why I put that in quotations is because the parameters of it are subjective and down to ones perception.

Personally I feel the cricket in its rawest form went ahead successfully, however in today’s day and age that does not cut it.

The below standard stadium and below standard stadium lighting and production value is unacceptable and is honestly and insult.

Secondly pakistan is far from safe, the fact that players needed military protection escort and president level buses and transport and routers speaks volumes.

Players are on a curfew and can not leave the hotel and usb patrolled by the military at all

Oh and no I am not Indian and no I do not work for RAW. I am a Pakistani living abroad.


If we don't take a step now then we will never have cricket in Pakistan. You mirin brah?
 
Pakistanis living abroad are expat armchair critics I am one myself. Please go and conpalin to your local board where you reside.
 
get lost with that loser mentality

cricket should absolutely be back in Pakistan, good on the PCB for doing what they're doing
 
I agree. But problem is, no country is safe. So why Pakistan should get the bullet alone?

Obviously there are socio-political reasons behind this. Think from a player's perspective. Would you like to visit a dry warzone with no booze and babes or you want to spend prime years of your life in a colorful place with full of life? No many players would choose the first one. BCCI against us would only add more fuel to it.
 
If we don't take a step now then we will never have cricket in Pakistan. You mirin brah?

That’s true but if one small little thing happens media will blow it out of control and bye bye cricket for another decade.
 
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I would discourage such negative posts , very misleading and it serves no purpose. All of us Pakistanis are so happy that cricket is finally returning to Pakistan successfully, in small steps though and then this senseless post.
 
I would discourage such negative posts , very misleading and it serves no purpose. All of us Pakistanis are so happy that cricket is finally returning to Pakistan successfully, in small steps though and then this senseless post.

Exactly such threads are of no purpose except negativity...

Facilities in our stadia are 100 times better than what I have seen in BD,SL etc they host international cricket...and the OP is living in a fool's paradise..

He does not follow Pakistan politically we were much unstable in 2007 to 2009
and we hosted more matches than all the ones we had from 2009 to 2017 combined...

Again poor research and negative thread...
 
That’s true but if one small little thing happens media will blow it out of control and bye bye cricket for another decade.

That is the only point I agree with..all your points are...just stupid

Do some research

terrorism rate of lowest is at it's lowest Pakistan in the last 10 years....Pakistan is one of the few countries with DECREASE in terrorism..it is increasing in all other places
 
So we have recently seen Sri Lanka play a game in Pakistan, however I saw the team more of a A side then a international side however that’s my opinion.

We also seen Zimbabwe and world XI although that was just past the hill retire wanna be or has been cricketers.

All games were played in Lahore, and went ahead “successfully” the reason why I put that in quotations is because the parameters of it are subjective and down to ones perception.

Personally I feel the cricket in its rawest form went ahead successfully, however in today’s day and age that does not cut it.

The below standard stadium and below standard stadium lighting and production value is unacceptable and is honestly and insult.

Secondly pakistan is far from safe, the fact that players needed military protection escort and president level buses and transport and routers speaks volumes.

Players are on a curfew and can not leave the hotel and usb patrolled by the military at all

Oh and no I am not Indian and no I do not work for RAW. I am a Pakistani living abroad.

Whats wrong in taking extra care??
You know thats Sachin had two personal bodyguards stand in front of his hotel room door in country like NZ (safest of all cricket playing nation).
There is nothing wrong in making pmayers safe even if army has to be brought in.
 
These are natural steps towards PAK hosting international cricket year-round.

It doesn't matter if this started last year, this year, or 10 years from now.

It will require baby steps. Over time, more and more teams will feel confident in coming as they see multiple successful tours in quick succession.
 
I disagree with OP. Pakistan should keep hosting anyone who is willing to come there. These steps will help in getting a full series with major teams in future. It may take years, but you have to start hosting T-20, ODI etc even if it means 1-2 matches.

Cricket need Pakistan and it's not the same for cricketers playing in UAE.
 
So we have recently seen Sri Lanka play a game in Pakistan, however I saw the team more of a A side then a international side however that’s my opinion.

We also seen Zimbabwe and world XI although that was just past the hill retire wanna be or has been cricketers.

All games were played in Lahore, and went ahead “successfully” the reason why I put that in quotations is because the parameters of it are subjective and down to ones perception.

Personally I feel the cricket in its rawest form went ahead successfully, however in today’s day and age that does not cut it.

The below standard stadium and below standard stadium lighting and production value is unacceptable and is honestly and insult.

Secondly pakistan is far from safe, the fact that players needed military protection escort and president level buses and transport and routers speaks volumes.

Players are on a curfew and can not leave the hotel and usb patrolled by the military at all

Oh and no I am not Indian and no I do not work for RAW. I am a Pakistani living abroad.

That explains it. (I myself have been living abroad for 2 years now too but most expats are just clueless) Cricket needs to come back to Pakistan asap. We need to start taking steps now to start hosting regularly. I agree that lighting and environment should be improved for the next tour. The UAE, just like the place itself is soulless and boring when it comes to cricket
 
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I agree. But problem is, no country is safe. So why Pakistan should get the bullet alone?

Obviously there are socio-political reasons behind this. Think from a player's perspective. Would you like to visit a dry warzone with no booze and babes or you want to spend prime years of your life in a colorful place with full of life? No many players would choose the first one. BCCI against us would only add more fuel to it.

Pakistan hosting international cricket again is great, but that is a very poor argument.
 
I get that you need to start somewhere, but with games needing to be played with such heavy military and police protection, it's kind of hard to get into matches... Even them it's not the strongest teams which are sent over so Pakistan should really run through these sides.

Don't get me started on the TV coverage and dated stadiums (understandable)...
 
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These are natural steps towards PAK hosting international cricket year-round.

It doesn't matter if this started last year, this year, or 10 years from now.

It will require baby steps. Over time, more and more teams will feel confident in coming as they see multiple successful tours in quick succession.
Just asking but is Pakistan a safe place to tour? I'm ignorant on the matter but it's difficult to send your team on tour with how Pakistan is portrayed in the media.
 
I feel the security concerns are blown out of proportion. Yes there are some concerns which are there in a lot of places. Pakistan is taking the right steps by having heavy security in the ground. People might find it tough to enter the ground but still most of the games have been a full house in Lahore. Also Pakistan can’t afford to have an incident which is why this vigilance has to be there. I don’t see any reason why cricket should not be played if the security is doing it’s job.

Pakistan has no choice but to try and move to this direction sooner or later. UAE is not feasible and is an expensive option to host.

Lastly besides cricket there has been a football event which happened in Lahore and Karachi which included footballers like Ronaldinho and Ryan Giggs. There was also a wrestling event. My point is if such events can happen cricket too can return.

As for the weak teams this notion will start changing once we have 5-6 games happen successfully.

On a personal note I have been to Pakistan 4 times in the last 1 year including cities Lahore and Karachi. In 2010 when I travelled there was a fear, even my relatives would not want me going out at certain times but now it is not like that. People aren’t that worried about going out and the security situation post Zarb e Azb has improved drastically.
 
Without trying to be condescending or judgemental can I know how many times in the last 3 years has the OP been in Pakistan, for how many days and in which cities does he hail from?? Because funnily enough some of us actually are from here, spend a good amount of time all year round with our families and have businesses and work related stuff happening most of the times.

But then again you did start off by saying 'this was your opinion' so I am not gonna bash you for it but there is a difference between having an opinion based on facts and figures and having an uninformed opinion which (as much as it hurts me to say this) but that is the case happening right now.

The players that you are calling has-beens are actually blokes that represent the SA test side & are the mainstay of a Champion team. If Faf, Amla, Sammy, Parerra are has-beens then I am not quite sure who the top tier LOI lot is :)) :)) because all these lads are essentially the first picks for their international teams tbh.

Anyways you have a right to have an opinion and we have a right to cheer for cricket coming back to Pakistan. Thank for sharing your thoughts. Good Day!! :)
 
That’s true but if one small little thing happens media will blow it out of control and bye bye cricket for another decade.

So what you are saying is that if something bad happens, we will lose something we don't have? Seems legit.
 
So many replies with strong correlation and I really don’t want to reply to the same thing multiple times so I’ll sum it up In one.

First of all you don’t need to be in Pakistan to observe there political, social and economic situation, just the way scientists don’t need to be in outer space to observe the universe. My geographical location is irrelevant and has no bearing to the thread, however just for the record my family and I live in Lahore in some gated residential district within the heart of the city, however it’s actual location is no clue to me as I have not visited since 2011 and have no intentions of returning. I was born in England however my father was born in Pakistan and we reside in Kensington london UK . Once again none of that is even relevant but if it makes some posters happy there you go.

I’d like to point out I don’t have an issue with the notion of return of cricket to Pakistan its more the current situation and the execution.

Players traveling to Pakistan then having presidential level security and then put on a curfew and locked in there rooms till March day to play a game with a heart full of fear then once the torture is over they are escorted to there rooms and repeat cycle till it’s time to go home. How is this even a tour off”Pakistan”? Tell me in which other cricketing nations this happens. Take India for example, players come over, play the cricket, explore India go to scholls parks, malls or just socialise in open with no worry or issue. This is a tour of a country. Pakistan that would not be possible and would be extremely dangerous if they did so and life’s would be st stake.

Also stadiums are extremely poor, stadium lights were Outdated by at least 15 years and are not suitable for international games. If a city has to go into lockdown, shut down areas and routers and roads and close shops and local trade and set curfew and travel in the people and players travel in presidential level transport escorted by the military at all times, and you think this is safe then I’m sorry but your heads are in the clouds.

Also bar maybe three or four players yes the World XI was full of has beens and international rejects, a world team is meant to be full of the worlds best players not players who retired half a decade ago and are looking to pay a large chunk of the new mortgage off.

On a side note production quality is extremely poor and is laughable, it was painful to watch and after a while I just turned it off, it’s 2017 not 2007 it’s not on.

Also posters entire arguments to my original thread being it’s stupid speak volumes of there grasp on topics such as politics, socialism and economics.

Also one last point, a post was made about my theory that if a attack does happen, Pakistan would lose hosting potential for another decade, and a response being that they would lose something they don’t have and questioning the logic. That’s itself is a fallacy as Pakistan hosting just the one game shows trust and potential in a return and currently teams are negotiating to come over so yes they are know technically a hosting nation. Maybe you should Honestly study propositional logic.
 
So many replies with strong correlation and I really don’t want to reply to the same thing multiple times so I’ll sum it up In one.

First of all you don’t need to be in Pakistan to observe there political, social and economic situation, just the way scientists don’t need to be in outer space to observe the universe. My geographical location is irrelevant and has no bearing to the thread, however just for the record my family and I live in Lahore in some gated residential district within the heart of the city, however it’s actual location is no clue to me as I have not visited since 2011 and have no intentions of returning. I was born in England however my father was born in Pakistan and we reside in Kensington london UK . Once again none of that is even relevant but if it makes some posters happy there you go.

I’d like to point out I don’t have an issue with the notion of return of cricket to Pakistan its more the current situation and the execution.

Players traveling to Pakistan then having presidential level security and then put on a curfew and locked in there rooms till March day to play a game with a heart full of fear then once the torture is over they are escorted to there rooms and repeat cycle till it’s time to go home. How is this even a tour off”Pakistan”? Tell me in which other cricketing nations this happens. Take India for example, players come over, play the cricket, explore India go to scholls parks, malls or just socialise in open with no worry or issue. This is a tour of a country. Pakistan that would not be possible and would be extremely dangerous if they did so and life’s would be st stake.

Also stadiums are extremely poor, stadium lights were Outdated by at least 15 years and are not suitable for international games. If a city has to go into lockdown, shut down areas and routers and roads and close shops and local trade and set curfew and travel in the people and players travel in presidential level transport escorted by the military at all times, and you think this is safe then I’m sorry but your heads are in the clouds.

Also bar maybe three or four players yes the World XI was full of has beens and international rejects, a world team is meant to be full of the worlds best players not players who retired half a decade ago and are looking to pay a large chunk of the new mortgage off.

On a side note production quality is extremely poor and is laughable, it was painful to watch and after a while I just turned it off, it’s 2017 not 2007 it’s not on.

Also posters entire arguments to my original thread being it’s stupid speak volumes of there grasp on topics such as politics, socialism and economics.

Also one last point, a post was made about my theory that if a attack does happen, Pakistan would lose hosting potential for another decade, and a response being that they would lose something they don’t have and questioning the logic. That’s itself is a fallacy as Pakistan hosting just the one game shows trust and potential in a return and currently teams are negotiating to come over so yes they are know technically a hosting nation. Maybe you should Honestly study propositional logic.

A lot of valid points made. Instead of name calling, I'd like to hear if anyone actually has answers.
 
Just asking but is Pakistan a safe place to tour? I'm ignorant on the matter but it's difficult to send your team on tour with how Pakistan is portrayed in the media.

I feel the security concerns are blown out of proportion. Yes there are some concerns which are there in a lot of places. Pakistan is taking the right steps by having heavy security in the ground. People might find it tough to enter the ground but still most of the games have been a full house in Lahore. Also Pakistan can’t afford to have an incident which is why this vigilance has to be there. I don’t see any reason why cricket should not be played if the security is doing it’s job.

At present, the security situation in Pakistan is similar to 2005-2006. You can see the statistics at: http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/casualties.htm That's when most teams were willing to tour Pakistan, but because of how security situation was between 2009-2013 and the attacks on the Sri Lankan team in 2009 the perception is there that Pakistan is unsafe. The ground reality has shifted significantly since 2015 and I don't think most of the cricketing world has adjusted to that yet.
 
Let's answer this one by one...

Players traveling to Pakistan then having presidential level security and then put on a curfew and locked in there rooms till March day to play a game with a heart full of fear then once the torture is over they are escorted to there rooms and repeat cycle till it’s time to go home. How is this even a tour off”Pakistan”? Tell me in which other cricketing nations this happens. Take India for example, players come over, play the cricket, explore India go to scholls parks, malls or just socialise in open with no worry or issue. This is a tour of a country. Pakistan that would not be possible and would be extremely dangerous if they did so and life’s would be st stake.

You are talking about a chicken and egg situation. We have to provide presidential level security no matter what the security situation in Pakistan is. Matter of fact is that security situation in Pakistan now is comparable to 2005-2006, but because of the events between 2009-2013 we are left with no choice but to provide presidential security. You could delay hosting cricket for 10 more years and teams would still ask for presidential security. Things such as going out in the streets etc is a nice to have but is never expected. Think of how most tours are conducted in Bangladesh these days. Similar protocols, etc.

Also stadiums are extremely poor, stadium lights were Outdated by at least 15 years and are not suitable for international games. If a city has to go into lockdown, shut down areas and routers and roads and close shops and local trade and set curfew and travel in the people and players travel in presidential level transport escorted by the military at all times, and you think this is safe then I’m sorry but your heads are in the clouds.

I dealt with the city lockdown arguments, but stadiums being poor is a reflection of the fact that no cricket was hosted in Pakistan for 8 years. If it returns, that situation should change.

Also bar maybe three or four players yes the World XI was full of has beens and international rejects, a world team is meant to be full of the worlds best players not players who retired half a decade ago and are looking to pay a large chunk of the new mortgage off.
That's not completely true, i'd say more than half the players in the squad are among the top current players but I see your point. The fact is, it doesn't matter. The tour was meant to show that cricket of international scale could be hosted in Pakistan.

Also one last point, a post was made about my theory that if a attack does happen, Pakistan would lose hosting potential for another decade, and a response being that they would lose something they don’t have and questioning the logic. That’s itself is a fallacy as Pakistan hosting just the one game shows trust and potential in a return and currently teams are negotiating to come over so yes they are know technically a hosting nation. Maybe you should Honestly study propositional logic.

Yes if an attack does happen on a team Pakistan would lose hosting for a decade. The reality is no one can guarantee an attack will never happen in any given country. But, what we have is two things working in our favour.

1) First, as said before, the security situation in Pakistan today is much better from what it was between 2009-2013. Terrorist attacks are down 75% from 2009 when the Sri Lankan team was attacked. The terrorist groups capable of carrying out terrorist attacks in that time have mostly been eviscerated and their remaining remnants are hiding in Afghanistan.
2) The security being provided is such that it makes it really difficult to come even remotely close to the teams if you want to carry out the attacks.

That's the best any country can do to ensure the chances of an attack are as close to zero as possible.
 
A lot of valid points made. Instead of name calling, I'd like to hear if anyone actually has answers.

Ok, let's have this discussion, shall we. I am not gonna quote the OP because I have seen these type of accounts come, troll and go away in the last half a decade so many times that I feel it's not worth investing into an argument that will eventually fade and have no reference point since the poster might abandoned ship mid way. However, since you are one of the seniors and have a good repute I'll address you and try to break into whetever the disucssion seems to be here.

Reading the OP, which has a title stated 'Pakistan should not be hosting International Cricket' is a definitive statement that displays the narrative that the OP believes that Pakistan should not be hosting international cricket and the post that you have quoted brother this is the gist of the argument.

Pakistan should not host International Cricket because:

1) The players that have visited Pakistan including World XI were not of repute (even though that is not the case, ESPNcricinfo of all people spoke to Bazid Khan stating exactly the opposite and that this is the first time a lot of internationally recognized and acclaimed sportsmen were visiting Pakistan, but for the OPs sake let's just assume it is true)

2) The city goes into Lockdown (partially true) & the players are put under cerfew! They are scared and are thinking that why did they come to this hell of a place (not entirely sure how does the OP know what the players are thinking) because no one forced them to come here and I haven't read any SINGLE statement from any player that said otherwise.

Although as a matter of fact all the blokes that have visited & toured Pakistan have made official statements that have praised the hospitality of its people and the safety of the region so the definition of OPs torture doesn't fly (at least objective speaking), but again lets assume for OPs sake this too is taking place :)

3) The production quality is low - completely agreed! So since Pakistan do not have fancy cameras & a international level production team that gives HD quality streams worldwide we should not be allowed to host international matches?

Anybody who has a sound mind and can logically and coherently align their thought process will just laugh at this proposition. The Op thinks one of the major reason why we shouldn't be hosting cricket is because he doesn't get a 1080p broadcast in his HOME IN ENGLAND!!

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He then goes on to say that our grasp of Economics, Politics and Socialism is laughable yet at the same time he/she himself has not given a single verifiable metric that may suggest holding International games in Pakistan is actually counter productive because I would most ideally like to look at numbers which might suggest the social and economic negative reprecussions of holding matches in Pakistan and or Pakistan cricket - Until then the ball is in his court.

Holding cricket games should never be a matter of ego neighter should it be a discussion of whether it is right or wrong. The only thing that should amount to any weightage is whether holding games in Pakistan it would, economically, socially and politically benefit the discourse of our country internationally - If yes! We should invite people who are willing to come and participate in such events, if No - Then so be it! As we might have to work towards securing a front that would give us that 'Yes' answer from foreigners.

Also in case people are forgetting before every single international match that is held in Pakistan an independent security team vists the premisis assess situation in the city & adjoining areas who then give their recommendations to the member boards or to whomsoever may be participating in the event. This security agency is not hired or employed by the PCB rather it is directly sought by the personnel we might have put forth the invitation towards. Recently we also got FICA into the loop (who have been a staunch critic of us as of late) and guess what even they approved the World XI tour and had no reservations as the security team analysis of the on ground situation was statisfactory.

I would like to reiterate something that I heard on a Pakistan political podcast (conducted by leading IVY grad analysts with 35 years of journo exp on this exact same situation). According to them this decision was in line with the weightage factor that I explained in the earlier para. Risks are always there no matter what you do but as suggested by many posters you have to start somewhere while all you can do is make the best preperations (which Kudos to PCB they did very well) and hope for the best. They have done the same 4 TIMES in the last 2 years and now are branching into other cities (E.g. Karachi) with the same security model that has a 100% success rate.

This type of planning is in line with a scientific and logical approach and should be commended rather than condemned and I see no reason why after the success of all these tours Pakistan should just step back and not continue the progress just because our production value of cricket broadcast isn't in HD or because someone sitting in ENGLAND 'thinks' the players are in some sort of mental agony (laughable as there is no evidence whatsoever to back this claim)

We give invites (Optional for everyone), do our homework, execute flawlessly and try to do the best we can with whatever means we have and at the moment it is working - I don't see any reason why we should stop the latter. Brother cricket isolation is like a Unidirectional highway with no exits, if you keep on harping about why it's not perfect one will never get cricket back in Pakistan.

I hope the explanation helps.
 
First of all you don’t need to be in Pakistan to observe there political, social and economic situation, just the way scientists don’t need to be in outer space to observe the universe.

A view from the outside is always an incomplete one, with doubts about authenticity. Why are NASA, SpaceX and other such agencies sending rovers to Mars? Why not just observe from here and send in a shuttle full of people when you are ready to colonize?


my family and I live in Lahore in some gated residential district within the heart of the city
we reside in Kensington london UK

How can you live and reside in two different countries at once?

Players traveling to Pakistan then having presidential level security and then put on a curfew and locked in there rooms till March day to play a game with a heart full of fear then once the torture is over they are escorted to there rooms and repeat cycle till it’s time to go home. How is this even a tour off”Pakistan”?

There are two aspects to every cricketing tour: on-pitch and off-pitch. I don't see any military personnel escorting the fielder to the boundary (or diving to save one). The on-pitch game is very similar to that in other countries (I'll come to production quality in a bit). It's the off-pitch game that has glaring differences. In India or other countries, you can see players intermingling with the general public, buying things from markets etc. That is the cultural aspect of the tour, and it is where you can afford to wait and let things normalize before you make them main-stream. What you are suggesting is to delay the on-pitch aspects just because of off-pitch differences with other countries, even though the players are being safely escorted to the stadium. Let me also point out the fact that these are cricketing tours, not cultural tours, so cricket should be primary, the rest can come later.

Also stadiums are extremely poor, stadium lights were Outdated by at least 15 years and are not suitable for international games.

I agree, but you should have phrased your title better if this was your primary concern. Even before reading the post, people will assume 99% of the time that you are referring to the security situation (which let me tell you has improved to the point (or even better) when nations were touring Pakistan pre-2010). I urge you to visit Pakistan soon (if you are residing in London).


If a city has to go into lockdown, shut down areas and routers and roads and close shops and local trade and set curfew and travel in the people and players travel in presidential level transport escorted by the military at all times, and you think this is safe then I’m sorry but your heads are in the clouds
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Are you saying that people are unsafe because of the extra security and lockdowns? For all your proclamations regarding logic, you seem to defy the very essence of it. Considering two different venues with constant and comparable security situation, extra security would mean more safety for the players. If however, you are comparing the security situation of Pakistan with other countries, then your above statement is invalid.

Also posters entire arguments to my original thread being it’s stupid speak volumes of there grasp on topics such as politics, socialism and economics.

Your post is not stupid, but your war against logic and frequent sprinkling of terms like "politics", "socialism", "economics", "propositional logic" to justify your fallacies make it very hard to think otherwise.


Also one last point, a post was made about my theory that if a attack does happen, Pakistan would lose hosting potential for another decade, and a response being that they would lose something they don’t have and questioning the logic. That’s itself is a fallacy as Pakistan hosting just the one game shows trust and potential in a return and currently teams are negotiating to come over so yes they are know technically a hosting nation. Maybe you should Honestly study propositional logic.

The argument under discussion was "regularly hosting cricket matches". Is Pakistan a regular host of cricket? NO. Will Pakistan lose regular hosting of international teams? I'd rather eat a turkey that I don't have.

In your pursuit of sounding logical, you seem to disregard the basic mechanics of actions. Actions like "returning cricket to Pakistan" are incremental in nature. You build upon your previous efforts. It is true that an attack may take away the 1 cricket match that we currently have per year (that's 10 matches in a decade as the rate will not increase after an attack). However, if we try now and nothing bad happens, this 1 cricket match per year will turn into 2 next year, then 4, then 8, then 16 and so on. That's losing 1 match per year compared to prospects of resuming normal cricket in a decade, and I am willing to take that risk.
 
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What kind of a weird logic it is? If we dont take steps for improvement then how improvements will come?
 
What makes you think that if we don't take steps to bring cricket back right now, it will come back by itself in the next decade or so, which a tragic incident would deprive us of? We are already incurring losses by playing in the UAE. It isn't economically viable to continue on that trend for another decade and wait for people to suddenly realize that Pakistan is safe and want to tour themselves. Even if this was done five years from now, or anytime later, the players would want to have considerable security and 'curfew-like' arrangements to feel safe. Public opinion isn't going to change by itself with time, we need to change it.
 
Ok, let's have this discussion, shall we. I am not gonna quote the OP because I have seen these type of accounts come, troll and go away in the last half a decade so many times that I feel it's not worth investing into an argument that will eventually fade and have no reference point since the poster might abandoned ship mid way. However, since you are one of the seniors and have a good repute I'll address you and try to break into whetever the disucssion seems to be here.

Reading the OP, which has a title stated 'Pakistan should not be hosting International Cricket' is a definitive statement that displays the narrative that the OP believes that Pakistan should not be hosting international cricket and the post that you have quoted brother this is the gist of the argument.

Pakistan should not host International Cricket because:

1) The players that have visited Pakistan including World XI were not of repute (even though that is not the case, ESPNcricinfo of all people spoke to Bazid Khan stating exactly the opposite and that this is the first time a lot of internationally recognized and acclaimed sportsmen were visiting Pakistan, but for the OPs sake let's just assume it is true)

2) The city goes into Lockdown (partially true) & the players are put under cerfew! They are scared and are thinking that why did they come to this hell of a place (not entirely sure how does the OP know what the players are thinking) because no one forced them to come here and I haven't read any SINGLE statement from any player that said otherwise.

Although as a matter of fact all the blokes that have visited & toured Pakistan have made official statements that have praised the hospitality of its people and the safety of the region so the definition of OPs torture doesn't fly (at least objective speaking), but again lets assume for OPs sake this too is taking place :)

3) The production quality is low - completely agreed! So since Pakistan do not have fancy cameras & a international level production team that gives HD quality streams worldwide we should not be allowed to host international matches?

Anybody who has a sound mind and can logically and coherently align their thought process will just laugh at this proposition. The Op thinks one of the major reason why we shouldn't be hosting cricket is because he doesn't get a 1080p broadcast in his HOME IN ENGLAND!!

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He then goes on to say that our grasp of Economics, Politics and Socialism is laughable yet at the same time he/she himself has not given a single verifiable metric that may suggest holding International games in Pakistan is actually counter productive because I would most ideally like to look at numbers which might suggest the social and economic negative reprecussions of holding matches in Pakistan and or Pakistan cricket - Until then the ball is in his court.

Holding cricket games should never be a matter of ego neighter should it be a discussion of whether it is right or wrong. The only thing that should amount to any weightage is whether holding games in Pakistan it would, economically, socially and politically benefit the discourse of our country internationally - If yes! We should invite people who are willing to come and participate in such events, if No - Then so be it! As we might have to work towards securing a front that would give us that 'Yes' answer from foreigners.

Also in case people are forgetting before every single international match that is held in Pakistan an independent security team vists the premisis assess situation in the city & adjoining areas who then give their recommendations to the member boards or to whomsoever may be participating in the event. This security agency is not hired or employed by the PCB rather it is directly sought by the personnel we might have put forth the invitation towards. Recently we also got FICA into the loop (who have been a staunch critic of us as of late) and guess what even they approved the World XI tour and had no reservations as the security team analysis of the on ground situation was statisfactory.

I would like to reiterate something that I heard on a Pakistan political podcast (conducted by leading IVY grad analysts with 35 years of journo exp on this exact same situation). According to them this decision was in line with the weightage factor that I explained in the earlier para. Risks are always there no matter what you do but as suggested by many posters you have to start somewhere while all you can do is make the best preperations (which Kudos to PCB they did very well) and hope for the best. They have done the same 4 TIMES in the last 2 years and now are branching into other cities (E.g. Karachi) with the same security model that has a 100% success rate.

This type of planning is in line with a scientific and logical approach and should be commended rather than condemned and I see no reason why after the success of all these tours Pakistan should just step back and not continue the progress just because our production value of cricket broadcast isn't in HD or because someone sitting in ENGLAND 'thinks' the players are in some sort of mental agony (laughable as there is no evidence whatsoever to back this claim)

We give invites (Optional for everyone), do our homework, execute flawlessly and try to do the best we can with whatever means we have and at the moment it is working - I don't see any reason why we should stop the latter. Brother cricket isolation is like a Unidirectional highway with no exits, if you keep on harping about why it's not perfect one will never get cricket back in Pakistan.

I hope the explanation helps.

I agree with your points but what I don't understand is why do you have to impress upon the fact that the OP lives "IN ENGLAND" every time, implying that he has no right to voice his opinion on matters of Pakistan. That's quite shameful actually. Overseas Pakistanis have as much right to talk about Pakistan as Pakistanis living in Pakistan. Your post answered his queries but it also came across as quite condescending.
 
I go Pakistan, every year, sometimes multiple times as I have strong family ties there, mainly in Lahore. Yes , there was a time I was really cautious and concerned with security situation there and couple of times did not take my family with me.

Now, over last 3-4 years I feel very comfortable and feel no difference than going to any other country. Yes, I am an ordinary Pakistani American and not a foreign cricketer, but I'm talking about improved perception .

This time an America ( white ) friend went with me, along with his family. He took his family to many places in Punjab and KP and had a great time and liked everything, except the "smoggy" weather at Lahore.

We just returned back on Saturday Nov 4.
 
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Ok, let's have this discussion, shall we. I am not gonna quote the OP because I have seen these type of accounts come, troll and go away in the last half a decade so many times that I feel it's not worth investing into an argument that will eventually fade and have no reference point since the poster might abandoned ship mid way. However, since you are one of the seniors and have a good repute I'll address you and try to break into whetever the disucssion seems to be here.

Reading the OP, which has a title stated 'Pakistan should not be hosting International Cricket' is a definitive statement that displays the narrative that the OP believes that Pakistan should not be hosting international cricket and the post that you have quoted brother this is the gist of the argument.

Pakistan should not host International Cricket because:

1) The players that have visited Pakistan including World XI were not of repute (even though that is not the case, ESPNcricinfo of all people spoke to Bazid Khan stating exactly the opposite and that this is the first time a lot of internationally recognized and acclaimed sportsmen were visiting Pakistan, but for the OPs sake let's just assume it is true)

2) The city goes into Lockdown (partially true) & the players are put under cerfew! They are scared and are thinking that why did they come to this hell of a place (not entirely sure how does the OP know what the players are thinking) because no one forced them to come here and I haven't read any SINGLE statement from any player that said otherwise.

Although as a matter of fact all the blokes that have visited & toured Pakistan have made official statements that have praised the hospitality of its people and the safety of the region so the definition of OPs torture doesn't fly (at least objective speaking), but again lets assume for OPs sake this too is taking place :)

3) The production quality is low - completely agreed! So since Pakistan do not have fancy cameras & a international level production team that gives HD quality streams worldwide we should not be allowed to host international matches?

Anybody who has a sound mind and can logically and coherently align their thought process will just laugh at this proposition. The Op thinks one of the major reason why we shouldn't be hosting cricket is because he doesn't get a 1080p broadcast in his HOME IN ENGLAND!!

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He then goes on to say that our grasp of Economics, Politics and Socialism is laughable yet at the same time he/she himself has not given a single verifiable metric that may suggest holding International games in Pakistan is actually counter productive because I would most ideally like to look at numbers which might suggest the social and economic negative reprecussions of holding matches in Pakistan and or Pakistan cricket - Until then the ball is in his court.

Holding cricket games should never be a matter of ego neighter should it be a discussion of whether it is right or wrong. The only thing that should amount to any weightage is whether holding games in Pakistan it would, economically, socially and politically benefit the discourse of our country internationally - If yes! We should invite people who are willing to come and participate in such events, if No - Then so be it! As we might have to work towards securing a front that would give us that 'Yes' answer from foreigners.

Also in case people are forgetting before every single international match that is held in Pakistan an independent security team vists the premisis assess situation in the city & adjoining areas who then give their recommendations to the member boards or to whomsoever may be participating in the event. This security agency is not hired or employed by the PCB rather it is directly sought by the personnel we might have put forth the invitation towards. Recently we also got FICA into the loop (who have been a staunch critic of us as of late) and guess what even they approved the World XI tour and had no reservations as the security team analysis of the on ground situation was statisfactory.

I would like to reiterate something that I heard on a Pakistan political podcast (conducted by leading IVY grad analysts with 35 years of journo exp on this exact same situation). According to them this decision was in line with the weightage factor that I explained in the earlier para. Risks are always there no matter what you do but as suggested by many posters you have to start somewhere while all you can do is make the best preperations (which Kudos to PCB they did very well) and hope for the best. They have done the same 4 TIMES in the last 2 years and now are branching into other cities (E.g. Karachi) with the same security model that has a 100% success rate.

This type of planning is in line with a scientific and logical approach and should be commended rather than condemned and I see no reason why after the success of all these tours Pakistan should just step back and not continue the progress just because our production value of cricket broadcast isn't in HD or because someone sitting in ENGLAND 'thinks' the players are in some sort of mental agony (laughable as there is no evidence whatsoever to back this claim)

We give invites (Optional for everyone), do our homework, execute flawlessly and try to do the best we can with whatever means we have and at the moment it is working - I don't see any reason why we should stop the latter. Brother cricket isolation is like a Unidirectional highway with no exits, if you keep on harping about why it's not perfect one will never get cricket back in Pakistan.

I hope the explanation helps.

Great post.
 
I think cricket should be played in Pakistan rather than the rubbish venues of the UAE. SL T20 went off successfully and hopefully there will be a full your by some team in the near future. We gotta start somewhere. However , there should be no compulsion to tour Pakistan and the state has to ensure that security measures are more than adequate.
 
I agree with your points but what I don't understand is why do you have to impress upon the fact that the OP lives "IN ENGLAND" every time, implying that he has no right to voice his opinion on matters of Pakistan. That's quite shameful actually. Overseas Pakistanis have as much right to talk about Pakistan as Pakistanis living in Pakistan. Your post answered his queries but it also came across as quite condescending.

#1 I am a Pakistani by birth, ethinicity and nationality (the only one) so if someone (a Non-Pakistani) comes along and says 'PAKISTAN should or should not do XYZ' based on a perspective that he /she might have elsewhere he will get reminded of the latter each and every time by me. Call me a hater, condescending or whatever you may like but I don't think an 'opinion' matters (my opinion) if that person has no links to the ground realities of how the country, it's narratives and the rationalies that work over here.

#2 Yes he as a right to voice his opinions, which he's clearly doing in this thread and I have a right to contest those and call him out on his rubbish. As I said in my earlier post everyone has the right to have and voice opinions but there is a difference between having legitimate constructive opinion and ill informed subject ones. I'll let you decide which ones he is employing at the moment.

#3 This is an open discussion board which allows users to interact with each other as long as they are following the Teams and Conditions for the forum. If my opinion rubs someone the wrong way by calling them out on their lack of link to the opinion they're stating then SO BE IT.

Thank You for interacting.
 
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This is more a test of the PCB's reliability and credibility. Irrespective of the security situation in Pakistan, the PCB and the Pakistani govt and security forces need to prove that they can provide fool proof security to all foreign players willing to tour Pakistan and can provide that security 24/7 while enabling the foreign players to relax, chill and have fun in Pakistan as well.

Once the PCB keeps doing this over a period of time, a few major teams might be convinced to tour. Najam Sethi is the best thing to have happened to Pakistan Cricket after a long while.
 
#1 I am a Pakistani by birth, ethinicity and nationality (the only one) so if someone (a Non-Pakistani) comes along and says 'PAKISTAN should or should not do XYZ' based on a perspective that he /she might have elsewhere he will get reminded of the latter each and every time by me. Call me a hater, condescending or whatever you may like but I don't think an 'opinion' matters (my opinion) if that person has no links to the ground realities of how the country, it's narratives and the rationalies that work over here.

#2 Yes he as a right to voice his opinions, which he's clearly doing in this thread and I have a right to contest those and call him out on his rubbish. As I said in my earlier post everyone has the right to have and voice opinions but there is a difference between having legitimate constructive opinion and ill informed subject ones. I'll let you decide which ones he is employing at the moment.

#3 This is an open discussion board which allows users to interact with each other as long as they are following the Teams and Conditions for the forum. If my opinion rubs someone the wrong way by calling them out on their lack of link to the opinion they're stating then SO BE IT.

Thank You for interacting.

#1 So a Pakistani in your eyes is only one who is born in Pakistan, is ethnically Pakistani and has a Pakistani passport? Dual nationals are not Pakistanis? Someone born in England is not a Pakistani? Or maybe I'm wrongly understanding these words "(the only one)". Plus if you moved out of Pakistan, resided in a different country, and for some reason did not visit Pakistan for 5 years, would that make you ineligible to comment on Pakistan because you no longer are privy to the ground realities of Pakistan?

#2 He may have an ill informed opinion but I don't think that merits a response in the kind of way that you did by calling out his residency and attacking him based on it. Other posters have also replied to him by telling the reasons why Pakistan should be hosting intl. cricket without bringing in his residence. Not everything has to be taken as a personal attack. If someone else is wrong, he can be reasoned with in a nice manner too. Just saying.

#3 I guess so be it. Good day then.
 
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#1 So a Pakistani in your eyes is only one who is born in Pakistan, is ethnically Pakistani and has a Pakistani passport? Dual nationals are not Pakistanis? Someone born in England is not a Pakistani? Or maybe I'm wrongly understanding these words "(the only one)". Plus if you moved out of Pakistan, resided in a different country, and for some reason did not visit Pakistan for 5 years, would that make you ineligible to comment on Pakistan because you no longer are privy to the ground realities of Pakistan?

#2 He may have an ill informed opinion but I don't think that merits a response in the kind of way that you did by calling out his residency and attacking him based on it. Other posters have also replied to him by telling the reasons why Pakistan should be hosting intl. cricket without bringing in his residence. Not everything has to be taken as a personal attack. If someone else is wrong, he can be reasoned with in a nice manner too. Just saying.

#3 I guess so be it. Good day then.

#1 Yes
#2 Maybe
#3 Likewise
 
I respectfully disagree with the op here. Pakistan has the capability and should host international matches in future.
 
I agree. But problem is, no country is safe. So why Pakistan should get the bullet alone?

Obviously there are socio-political reasons behind this. Think from a player's perspective. Would you like to visit a dry warzone with no booze and babes or you want to spend prime years of your life in a colorful place with full of life? No many players would choose the first one. BCCI against us would only add more fuel to it.

True, but Pakistan is the only country where cricket players were attacked and injured as targets by terrorists.
 
I'm currently in Pakistan and was at the Lahore T20 last week having bought tickets for friends and family. After my experience, I can say without hesitation, Pakistan SHOULD be hosting international cricket.
 
This is a ridiculous argument

However, I agree that the "tour" wasn't really a tour, and because of security reasons, can not be one right now. A true tour involves players going out, enjoying themselves, seeing the culture, etc, which sadly they can't now. Despite this, better to have cricket here than not
 
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So we have recently seen Sri Lanka play a game in Pakistan, however I saw the team more of a A side then a international side however that’s my opinion.

We also seen Zimbabwe and world XI although that was just past the hill retire wanna be or has been cricketers.

All games were played in Lahore, and went ahead “successfully” the reason why I put that in quotations is because the parameters of it are subjective and down to ones perception.

Personally I feel the cricket in its rawest form went ahead successfully, however in today’s day and age that does not cut it.

The below standard stadium and below standard stadium lighting and production value is unacceptable and is honestly and insult.

Secondly pakistan is far from safe, the fact that players needed military protection escort and president level buses and transport and routers speaks volumes.

Players are on a curfew and can not leave the hotel and usb patrolled by the military at all

Oh and no I am not Indian and no I do not work for RAW. I am a Pakistani living abroad.

So as a Pakistani living abroad, how often do you go back to your home nation? Do you actually have a feel for the ground reality of how safe it is? I've personally been back 4 times in the past 12 months, and I've found Karachi to be as safe as anywhere I visit. The only reason for the presidential level security is to convince foreign teams that they will be safe here. The thing is, where in the world is safe at the moment??
 
Completely disagree with this post. One has to start somewhere and take baby steps in order for cricket to return. You can't just not do anything and assume everything will be ok on its own in 10+ years . No country in the world is safe. Even the most powerful country in the world just went through a mass murder incident yesterday in a church which killed 20+ people. You can call it whatever you like domestic terrorism or a mental breakdown of the perpetrator. How did the Us not stop that. Because you. Ant control everything. One also has to look at the security situation which happened during the srilanka incident and most recently. There's absolutely been none that I know off...If we were talking about Syria or Libya I would totally agree with you're concern.
 
You cannot wait forever for the situation to get better. Pakistan cricket and PCB have suffered tremendously in the last 8 years because of no cricket at home. Should not be rushed but you have to start somewhere. Wake up! It's not 2009 anymore.
 
I don't mean to get political but there was an attack a few miles from where I live in NYC last week and a mass shooting yesterday. Are sports events cancelled here? NO. Because the security is proven to be top-notch. PCB has done exactly that in the last few years and would be desperate to do so again to get international teams to tour again.
 
i understand your perceptive, on how you see that competitiveness is fizzed out and players are not free as we think they're on tour, its hostile condition, but look at the other side of the table, you're sitting all the way across somewhere in the world, but imagine a kid who has never witness live cricket?, I had lived in pakistan for good 5 years and not a single game i could see live, and my ultimate wish was to witness Afridi play live, didn't happened cause he retired by the time i moved to sydney. but baby steps are needed in order to restore faith of safe cricket in pakistan, and we are heading in right direction, hopefully full strength teams will turn up in near future.
 
All players coming to Pak are here for the extra money, thus they are no different than actors. Pak need cricketers who come just to do their regular duty.
 
Ok, let's have this discussion, shall we. I am not gonna quote the OP because I have seen these type of accounts come, troll and go away in the last half a decade so many times that I feel it's not worth investing into an argument that will eventually fade and have no reference point since the poster might abandoned ship mid way. However, since you are one of the seniors and have a good repute I'll address you and try to break into whetever the disucssion seems to be here.

Reading the OP, which has a title stated 'Pakistan should not be hosting International Cricket' is a definitive statement that displays the narrative that the OP believes that Pakistan should not be hosting international cricket and the post that you have quoted brother this is the gist of the argument.

Pakistan should not host International Cricket because:

1) The players that have visited Pakistan including World XI were not of repute (even though that is not the case, ESPNcricinfo of all people spoke to Bazid Khan stating exactly the opposite and that this is the first time a lot of internationally recognized and acclaimed sportsmen were visiting Pakistan, but for the OPs sake let's just assume it is true)

2) The city goes into Lockdown (partially true) & the players are put under cerfew! They are scared and are thinking that why did they come to this hell of a place (not entirely sure how does the OP know what the players are thinking) because no one forced them to come here and I haven't read any SINGLE statement from any player that said otherwise.

Although as a matter of fact all the blokes that have visited & toured Pakistan have made official statements that have praised the hospitality of its people and the safety of the region so the definition of OPs torture doesn't fly (at least objective speaking), but again lets assume for OPs sake this too is taking place :)

3) The production quality is low - completely agreed! So since Pakistan do not have fancy cameras & a international level production team that gives HD quality streams worldwide we should not be allowed to host international matches?

Anybody who has a sound mind and can logically and coherently align their thought process will just laugh at this proposition. The Op thinks one of the major reason why we shouldn't be hosting cricket is because he doesn't get a 1080p broadcast in his HOME IN ENGLAND!!

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He then goes on to say that our grasp of Economics, Politics and Socialism is laughable yet at the same time he/she himself has not given a single verifiable metric that may suggest holding International games in Pakistan is actually counter productive because I would most ideally like to look at numbers which might suggest the social and economic negative reprecussions of holding matches in Pakistan and or Pakistan cricket - Until then the ball is in his court.

Holding cricket games should never be a matter of ego neighter should it be a discussion of whether it is right or wrong. The only thing that should amount to any weightage is whether holding games in Pakistan it would, economically, socially and politically benefit the discourse of our country internationally - If yes! We should invite people who are willing to come and participate in such events, if No - Then so be it! As we might have to work towards securing a front that would give us that 'Yes' answer from foreigners.

Also in case people are forgetting before every single international match that is held in Pakistan an independent security team vists the premisis assess situation in the city & adjoining areas who then give their recommendations to the member boards or to whomsoever may be participating in the event. This security agency is not hired or employed by the PCB rather it is directly sought by the personnel we might have put forth the invitation towards. Recently we also got FICA into the loop (who have been a staunch critic of us as of late) and guess what even they approved the World XI tour and had no reservations as the security team analysis of the on ground situation was statisfactory.

I would like to reiterate something that I heard on a Pakistan political podcast (conducted by leading IVY grad analysts with 35 years of journo exp on this exact same situation). According to them this decision was in line with the weightage factor that I explained in the earlier para. Risks are always there no matter what you do but as suggested by many posters you have to start somewhere while all you can do is make the best preperations (which Kudos to PCB they did very well) and hope for the best. They have done the same 4 TIMES in the last 2 years and now are branching into other cities (E.g. Karachi) with the same security model that has a 100% success rate.

This type of planning is in line with a scientific and logical approach and should be commended rather than condemned and I see no reason why after the success of all these tours Pakistan should just step back and not continue the progress just because our production value of cricket broadcast isn't in HD or because someone sitting in ENGLAND 'thinks' the players are in some sort of mental agony (laughable as there is no evidence whatsoever to back this claim)

We give invites (Optional for everyone), do our homework, execute flawlessly and try to do the best we can with whatever means we have and at the moment it is working - I don't see any reason why we should stop the latter. Brother cricket isolation is like a Unidirectional highway with no exits, if you keep on harping about why it's not perfect one will never get cricket back in Pakistan.

I hope the explanation helps.

Potw. “Fans” need to appreciate the steps being taken to bring cricket back to our country.
 
disagree with the op though quality of producton and playing conditions should improve.
 
If we based the hosting of cricket on the television production quality then Pakistan would never have hosted a single match.

Its always been like this, I grew up watching Pakistan's home internationals on the desi channels in the UK like ARY Digital and the coverage was dire even then.

As for security, yes it is overbearing but given how the Sri Lankan team bus were left as sitting ducks in 2009 in Lahore then it is a must to rebuild trust and confidence.

I do think the OP has a valid point when he says the players don't get much chance to socialise or venture outside their hotel rooms due to heavy security. But the players have a commitment to fulfil as cricketers not sightseeing tourists.
 
Ok, let's have this discussion, shall we. I am not gonna quote the OP because I have seen these type of accounts come, troll and go away in the last half a decade so many times that I feel it's not worth investing into an argument that will eventually fade and have no reference point since the poster might abandoned ship mid way. However, since you are one of the seniors and have a good repute I'll address you and try to break into whetever the disucssion seems to be here.

Reading the OP, which has a title stated 'Pakistan should not be hosting International Cricket' is a definitive statement that displays the narrative that the OP believes that Pakistan should not be hosting international cricket and the post that you have quoted brother this is the gist of the argument.

Pakistan should not host International Cricket because:

1) The players that have visited Pakistan including World XI were not of repute (even though that is not the case, ESPNcricinfo of all people spoke to Bazid Khan stating exactly the opposite and that this is the first time a lot of internationally recognized and acclaimed sportsmen were visiting Pakistan, but for the OPs sake let's just assume it is true)

2) The city goes into Lockdown (partially true) & the players are put under cerfew! They are scared and are thinking that why did they come to this hell of a place (not entirely sure how does the OP know what the players are thinking) because no one forced them to come here and I haven't read any SINGLE statement from any player that said otherwise.

Although as a matter of fact all the blokes that have visited & toured Pakistan have made official statements that have praised the hospitality of its people and the safety of the region so the definition of OPs torture doesn't fly (at least objective speaking), but again lets assume for OPs sake this too is taking place :)

3) The production quality is low - completely agreed! So since Pakistan do not have fancy cameras & a international level production team that gives HD quality streams worldwide we should not be allowed to host international matches?

Anybody who has a sound mind and can logically and coherently align their thought process will just laugh at this proposition. The Op thinks one of the major reason why we shouldn't be hosting cricket is because he doesn't get a 1080p broadcast in his HOME IN ENGLAND!!

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He then goes on to say that our grasp of Economics, Politics and Socialism is laughable yet at the same time he/she himself has not given a single verifiable metric that may suggest holding International games in Pakistan is actually counter productive because I would most ideally like to look at numbers which might suggest the social and economic negative reprecussions of holding matches in Pakistan and or Pakistan cricket - Until then the ball is in his court.

Holding cricket games should never be a matter of ego neighter should it be a discussion of whether it is right or wrong. The only thing that should amount to any weightage is whether holding games in Pakistan it would, economically, socially and politically benefit the discourse of our country internationally - If yes! We should invite people who are willing to come and participate in such events, if No - Then so be it! As we might have to work towards securing a front that would give us that 'Yes' answer from foreigners.

Also in case people are forgetting before every single international match that is held in Pakistan an independent security team vists the premisis assess situation in the city & adjoining areas who then give their recommendations to the member boards or to whomsoever may be participating in the event. This security agency is not hired or employed by the PCB rather it is directly sought by the personnel we might have put forth the invitation towards. Recently we also got FICA into the loop (who have been a staunch critic of us as of late) and guess what even they approved the World XI tour and had no reservations as the security team analysis of the on ground situation was statisfactory.

I would like to reiterate something that I heard on a Pakistan political podcast (conducted by leading IVY grad analysts with 35 years of journo exp on this exact same situation). According to them this decision was in line with the weightage factor that I explained in the earlier para. Risks are always there no matter what you do but as suggested by many posters you have to start somewhere while all you can do is make the best preperations (which Kudos to PCB they did very well) and hope for the best. They have done the same 4 TIMES in the last 2 years and now are branching into other cities (E.g. Karachi) with the same security model that has a 100% success rate.

This type of planning is in line with a scientific and logical approach and should be commended rather than condemned and I see no reason why after the success of all these tours Pakistan should just step back and not continue the progress just because our production value of cricket broadcast isn't in HD or because someone sitting in ENGLAND 'thinks' the players are in some sort of mental agony (laughable as there is no evidence whatsoever to back this claim)

We give invites (Optional for everyone), do our homework, execute flawlessly and try to do the best we can with whatever means we have and at the moment it is working - I don't see any reason why we should stop the latter. Brother cricket isolation is like a Unidirectional highway with no exits, if you keep on harping about why it's not perfect one will never get cricket back in Pakistan.

I hope the explanation helps.

Top post.Well written and gives the OP the ‘logic’ he wants.
 
All players coming to Pak are here for the extra money, thus they are no different than actors. Pak need cricketers who come just to do their regular duty.

SL players were not paid for the recent match.Hearing reports that the WI players also won’t get paid extra.
 
SL players were not paid for the recent match.Hearing reports that the WI players also won’t get paid extra.

I heard otherwise. Look at your PSL final, or the World XI matches, those were all farce. Players should want to come to Pak for cricket, not extra cash.
 
Surely we should carry on taking baby steps, as eventually this will lead to better teams coming, improvements in standards, improvements in safety etc etc.
As for the transition, we should carry on taking baby steps rather than leaps. They have proposed 8 games in Pakistan during PSL3. For me that’s too big a step too soon. Ideally the 3 knockout games and the final should be in Pakistan, so in total 4 games. After that is successful, then we can move to 8 games in PSL 4
 
Have to start somewhere. Quality of opposition is irrelevant, we need to show we can host games without any incidents and players can be safe in Pakistan.
 
Alright so I guess my last response rendered some posters triggered and I was shocked to read some replies especially [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] Reponse which was borderline xenophobic and had violated many human rights laws about me being less of a Pakistan because I was born in the UK opposed to Pakistan, I’d like to add my family have invested over £150,000 into Lahore and into local trade, businesses and local architecture. That’s more then likely more then you would ever do and heck you probably suck money and resources out of Pakistan then in. My geo location is irrelevant and where I reside is a personal choice and is not subject to any criticism.

Now to your response.

#1. Of course they are going to say that, no note worthy cricketer has set foot in Pakistan since the terrorist attacks in Pakistan back in 2009, si any half a decade retired cricketer would Be held to the same account as a mega star such as Kohli or Dhoni or Gayle. Sure a few top players did come however once again it was under the pretext of a large sum of money.

#2. If you don’t think players who come to Pakistan ain’t scared with a heart full of fear after all the security levels and Pakistan’s tendency to get bombed multiple times a week then you are just delusional. You want some economic metrics? Just google Pakistan and watch the bomb blasts hit you in the face metaphorically. It’s not safe.

Your point about player statements being positive, of course they are going to be look where they are it is only logical they are when 100 Pakistani media personnel Throw a microphone at you. Take the young lady for example who traveled most the world, she was asked which is the best country she has traveled to, being in Pakistan she was obligated to say Pakistan as she was in Pakistan. Players are always gonna day positive things keepna strong PR team around them and stack the benjamins.

#3 production quality is very poor and Pakistan ain’t a team major productions companies want to invest in so I don’t see that ever change. However the stadiums in Pakistan are barely training level worthy and are a shamble. Just watch the the recent series you can barely make out the players it’s so dark.


I would also like to add that I don’t believe Pakistan should never host international cricket. I believe in today’s situation they should not and I believe it’s to dangerous, even if a small incident happens good luck ever seeing a top team tour. I believe Pakistan need to scrap all the stadiums and use them for training grounds. I believe they need to create a economic safe haven in every major cricketing city, buy all the land working x amount of distance and create multiple high level malls and 5* hotels and build a stadium within it with security on the out skirts. This will solve many economic, political, social and most importantly perceptional issues I’m Pakistan.

However I am currently putting together that thread with all the metrics, forecasts and potential investors and how it would function as we speak and should be ready soon. It will explain everything more in depth and would cover many elements. Funny enough it’s acfusly part of my economics thesis and is subject to a grading as well lol.
 
Alright so I guess my last response rendered some posters triggered and I was shocked to read some replies especially [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] Reponse which was borderline xenophobic and had violated many human rights laws about me being less of a Pakistan because I was born in the UK opposed to Pakistan, I’d like to add my family have invested over £150,000 into Lahore and into local trade, businesses and local architecture. That’s more then likely more then you would ever do and heck you probably suck money and resources out of Pakistan then in. My geo location is irrelevant and where I reside is a personal choice and is not subject to any criticism.

Now to your response.

#1. Of course they are going to say that, no note worthy cricketer has set foot in Pakistan since the terrorist attacks in Pakistan back in 2009, si any half a decade retired cricketer would Be held to the same account as a mega star such as Kohli or Dhoni or Gayle. Sure a few top players did come however once again it was under the pretext of a large sum of money.

#2. If you don’t think players who come to Pakistan ain’t scared with a heart full of fear after all the security levels and Pakistan’s tendency to get bombed multiple times a week then you are just delusional. You want some economic metrics? Just google Pakistan and watch the bomb blasts hit you in the face metaphorically. It’s not safe.

Your point about player statements being positive, of course they are going to be look where they are it is only logical they are when 100 Pakistani media personnel Throw a microphone at you. Take the young lady for example who traveled most the world, she was asked which is the best country she has traveled to, being in Pakistan she was obligated to say Pakistan as she was in Pakistan. Players are always gonna day positive things keepna strong PR team around them and stack the benjamins.

#3 production quality is very poor and Pakistan ain’t a team major productions companies want to invest in so I don’t see that ever change. However the stadiums in Pakistan are barely training level worthy and are a shamble. Just watch the the recent series you can barely make out the players it’s so dark.


I would also like to add that I don’t believe Pakistan should never host international cricket. I believe in today’s situation they should not and I believe it’s to dangerous, even if a small incident happens good luck ever seeing a top team tour. I believe Pakistan need to scrap all the stadiums and use them for training grounds. I believe they need to create a economic safe haven in every major cricketing city, buy all the land working x amount of distance and create multiple high level malls and 5* hotels and build a stadium within it with security on the out skirts. This will solve many economic, political, social and most importantly perceptional issues I’m Pakistan.

However I am currently putting together that thread with all the metrics, forecasts and potential investors and how it would function as we speak and should be ready soon. It will explain everything more in depth and would cover many elements. Funny enough it’s acfusly part of my economics thesis and is subject to a grading as well lol.

What should be the proposed schedule of return of cricket to Pakistan?
 
Alright so I guess my last response rendered some posters triggered and I was shocked to read some replies especially [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] Reponse which was borderline xenophobic and had violated many human rights laws about me being less of a Pakistan because I was born in the UK opposed to Pakistan, I’d like to add my family have invested over £150,000 into Lahore and into local trade, businesses and local architecture. That’s more then likely more then you would ever do and heck you probably suck money and resources out of Pakistan then in. My geo location is irrelevant and where I reside is a personal choice and is not subject to any criticism.

Now to your response.

#1. Of course they are going to say that, no note worthy cricketer has set foot in Pakistan since the terrorist attacks in Pakistan back in 2009, si any half a decade retired cricketer would Be held to the same account as a mega star such as Kohli or Dhoni or Gayle. Sure a few top players did come however once again it was under the pretext of a large sum of money.

#2. If you don’t think players who come to Pakistan ain’t scared with a heart full of fear after all the security levels and Pakistan’s tendency to get bombed multiple times a week then you are just delusional. You want some economic metrics? Just google Pakistan and watch the bomb blasts hit you in the face metaphorically. It’s not safe.

Your point about player statements being positive, of course they are going to be look where they are it is only logical they are when 100 Pakistani media personnel Throw a microphone at you. Take the young lady for example who traveled most the world, she was asked which is the best country she has traveled to, being in Pakistan she was obligated to say Pakistan as she was in Pakistan. Players are always gonna day positive things keepna strong PR team around them and stack the benjamins.

#3 production quality is very poor and Pakistan ain’t a team major productions companies want to invest in so I don’t see that ever change. However the stadiums in Pakistan are barely training level worthy and are a shamble. Just watch the the recent series you can barely make out the players it’s so dark.


I would also like to add that I don’t believe Pakistan should never host international cricket. I believe in today’s situation they should not and I believe it’s to dangerous, even if a small incident happens good luck ever seeing a top team tour. I believe Pakistan need to scrap all the stadiums and use them for training grounds. I believe they need to create a economic safe haven in every major cricketing city, buy all the land working x amount of distance and create multiple high level malls and 5* hotels and build a stadium within it with security on the out skirts. This will solve many economic, political, social and most importantly perceptional issues I’m Pakistan.

However I am currently putting together that thread with all the metrics, forecasts and potential investors and how it would function as we speak and should be ready soon. It will explain everything more in depth and would cover many elements. Funny enough it’s acfusly part of my economics thesis and is subject to a grading as well lol.

1.How do you define a mega star?
In your biased eyes the likes of FAF(SACaptain in all formats)
Amla(ATG) are not superstars then you need help...Kohli and Dhoni wont visit even if Pakistan was as safe ad the 1980s because of political issues and I am not sure if you are mature enough to accept this..

2.That is not our concern...our goal is to lure them to come play in Pakistan and show them that the situation is being dealt with effectively...Have you seen the terrorism rate in Pakistan is the lowest in 10 yearsor are you not going to accept this too?

3.This is the most idiotic point of all your points...Just because the production quality is low a country should not host international cricket...kid have you followed production quality in Zimbabwe,BD,SL bacha they are ten times worse...even if it is bad even then this is a very poor point

Cricket in Pakistan is coming back...whether you like it or not and your poorly researched and pathetic thread can do nothing about it so end of topic :)
 
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