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Pakistan should travel as soon as possible to Australia to get used to conditions - but will they?

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When it comes to tours of England, we seem to allow ourselves ample time to get used to conditions but not so in Australia - Couldnt PCB have sent most of the selected players to Australia a month ahead of the first games?

Play local sides, get used to the climate and conditions etc - wonder what planning has been done for this?
 
I remember Wasim Khan saying in a PTV interview the plan was to fly the team out early to Perth.
 
Series Schedule

31 October – T20 warm-up match v CA XI, Bankstown, Sydney

3 November – 1st T20I, Sydney

5 November – 2nd T20I, Canberra

8 November – 3rd T20I, Perth

11-13 November – Three-day match v CA XI, Optus Stadium, Perth (d/n)

15-16 November – Two-day match v CA XI, WACA, Perth

21-25 November – 1st Test, Brisbane

29 November-3 December – 2nd Test, Adelaide (d/n)
 
so just one warm-up game - will that be enough?
 
They better, and they probably will or else what's the point in announcing the squad this early.
 
Two games in perth aint going to be prep for brisbane or adelaide. Conditions wont be as quick or bouncy as perth.

Not enough warm ups in reality.
 
Test team will fly out to Aus after the so 5th QEA round, which is 28-31 Oct.

So they will be in Aus for about 3 weeks before the tests start.
 
Ideally i would have wanted them to arrive atleast a month in advance but they will have to make full use of the 3 weeks they have
 
Two games in perth aint going to be prep for brisbane or adelaide. Conditions wont be as quick or bouncy as perth.

Not enough warm ups in reality.

Warm ups are useless, Pakistan beat the warm up teams on the 2016-17 tour, we still got whitewashed in the test series. Home team deliberately provides weak opposition in the warm up games.
 
A 2 day game is pointless. Should have tried to arrange two 3 day games.
 
The T20I side will depart for Sydney on 26 October, while the Test players will leave for Perth after featuring in the fifth round of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, which will be played from 28-31 October.

I think this is pretty reasonable. The Test players will be there roughly 3 weeks before the start of the series. Plus, they're getting in an additional FC game before leaving.
 
When it comes to tours of England, we seem to allow ourselves ample time to get used to conditions but not so in Australia - Couldnt PCB have sent most of the selected players to Australia a month ahead of the first games?

Play local sides, get used to the climate and conditions etc - wonder what planning has been done for this?

all this costs money bro. I am not sure if they are willing to spend as much to prepare in advance.
 
Warm ups are useless, Pakistan beat the warm up teams on the 2016-17 tour, we still got whitewashed in the test series. Home team deliberately provides weak opposition in the warm up games.

I agree and also give you complete flat pattas lol. Best option is to request a top grade cricket side from A1 or grade 1 to play them in a friendly. They would do it as the experience of playing against world class pakistan players would be good for their team morale.
 
I agree and also give you complete flat pattas lol. Best option is to request a top grade cricket side from A1 or grade 1 to play them in a friendly. They would do it as the experience of playing against world class pakistan players would be good for their team morale.

Most first grade players are not full time cricketers so wouldn't be available during the week and would have premiership games on the weekend.
 
I see no reason for likes of Azhar, Abid etc playing QEA

Should be in Australia practicing as much as they can in those conditions
 
I see no reason for likes of Azhar, Abid etc playing QEA

Should be in Australia practicing as much as they can in those conditions
True, but the Chief Selector could have just sent the Test squad for the T20’s.

I’m glad. I just want Misbah gone ASAP, and so under-preparation and defeat for his absurd squad suits me right down to the ground.
 
True, but the Chief Selector could have just sent the Test squad for the T20’s.

I’m glad. I just want Misbah gone ASAP, and so under-preparation and defeat for his absurd squad suits me right down to the ground.

If Pakistan end up losing every game in the T20I and Test series, do you think the PCB will no choice but to fire him?
 
If Pakistan end up losing every game in the T20I and Test series, do you think the PCB will no choice but to fire him?
Sadly, no.

The PCB has invested too much in Misbah as the Absolute Supremo.

He will get the sack after losing his World Test Championship series away to Australia, England and New Zealand and at home to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Pakistan will finish bottom or second bottom and his position will be untenable.

Then they will get a normal coach who wants youngsters and all-rounders, and in the next World Test Championship cycle they will move up from Eighth under Misbah to third or fourth under a less old-fashioned coach.
 
The players from the test squad should have also come to Australia and maybe played some club cricket to get used to conditions, if they were allowed. Otherwise just training at the grounds and nets would even help them get used to the pitches.
 
Pak should have had their test players in at least 2 warm up games and maybe spread them across the various club teams in the country....but I guess t20 money is too important to ignore.

Either way, I hope the younger players arrive without any fear and actually get selected .
 
Pak should have had their test players in at least 2 warm up games and maybe spread them across the various club teams in the country....but I guess t20 money is too important to ignore.

Either way, I hope the younger players arrive without any fear and actually get selected .

They have 2 warm up matches before the test series. But the players that are only in the test squad should have also come to get used to conditions by playing club cricket (if allowed), otherwise just practice in the nets or the ground where the team is at. This would have benefitted them so much more than playing QeA on those dead, low bouncing pitches.
 
Pakistan always go super early to be extra prepared for England. And that's a big reason why they've done as well as they have in Tests over there (they get destroyed in ODI's because they are just bad in ODI's).

But they never do the same for NZ/SA/Aus and predictably, they get destroyed. Especially Australia, consider the strength of the team and Pakistan poor historical record, they should be showing up at least a month in advance of the tour. Instead they are showing up now and will likely fail to adapt to the conditions.
 
They have 2 warm up matches before the test series. But the players that are only in the test squad should have also come to get used to conditions by playing club cricket (if allowed), otherwise just practice in the nets or the ground where the team is at. This would have benefitted them so much more than playing QeA on those dead, low bouncing pitches.

Exactly what I just said haha

But yeah, even getting used to net pitches in Aus would have been better for the test level players. I guess it helps that guys like Babar, Shaheen and a few others will likely be in the t20 and test sides so they will get plenty of game time.
 
Just one T20 game for practice - even one more vs another local side would have done the job....
 
Just one T20 game for practice - even one more vs another local side would have done the job....

They'd be better off playing themselves with some additional club cricketers to make up the numbers considering the quality of the team we played in today's warm up.
 
Pakistan dangerous, but underprepared for Australian Test series : Dean Jones

Australia have had the perfect start to this summer campaign with some comprehensive floggings of Sri Lanka and Pakistan. Now the Tests begin, and I am starting to feel the same could happen to Pakistan in this upcoming two-Test series.

First and foremost, I blame Pakistan’s cricket board for their horrendous scheduling of this Test series. Pakistan have not played a Test match since early January. Do they honestly feel playing a three-day match at night and a two-day match in Perth will get them ready to be competitive against Australia? Really?

Both Test matches will be played in Brisbane and Adelaide and their bounce will be completely different to Perth. Why didn’t Pakistan schedule a three or four-day match when their T20 matches against Australia were on in Adelaide or at the Gabba? Pakistan could have easily put together a decent team to take on a state side while the international T20s were on. Asian players need at least three matches to get used to our conditions and this itinerary will not help them much.

On Pakistan’s last tour here, the batting was decent. As a batting team, they averaged 29.77 runs per wicket. But the bowling didn’t click: Pakistan averaged 61.63 with the ball while conceding 4.25 runs per over. That was the main reason for Pakistan’s 3-0 defeat. And the same question will be asked now. Their batting is good ... but will their bowling stand up?

Personally, what I am looking for in this Test series is the improvement of Babar Azam. Pakistan already have some class with the bat in Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq but watch out for this guy Babar, he is one classy player.

I remember years ago, the now Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan whispered to me that if you wanted to conquer the world of cricket, you needed to have three or four bowlers who could bowl faster than 140 km/h. Well, Pakistan have not disappointed their beloved PM by selecting three kids in Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Musa who all manage that. This will be a big tour for them and huge for their future development.

Maybe for the Adelaide Test, Pakistan might even select all of them with Iftikhar Ahmed being the only spinner. Now that would be cool.

Likely team for the Gabba in the first Test:

IMAM-UL-HAQ

I like this tough left-hander. The Australians will try to bounce him and then try to nick him off. If he can score off the back foot and make the Australians bowl to him, then I feel he will have a good tour. The question will be asked of Imam: how good is your back foot defensive play?

SHAN MASOOD

Shan is normally a specialist white ball player. I saw him make his only Test century in Sri Lanka a few years back and he looked a good player. Shan is very good off the back foot, but it will be his forward defensive play and the ability to leave the ball on length outside off stump that will test him.

AZHAR ALI (captain)

The skipper is a tough nut and he already averages 58 versus Australia with three hundreds. He has been in good form in Pakistan and plays well away from home. Azhar is very organised in defence and in attack. Not the greatest runner between wickets, he has been involved in a few run-outs.

ASAD SHAFIQ

Another quality player who averages nearly 40 away from Pakistan. Like Azhar, Asad is very organised in his game. Plays a lot off the back foot and deflects the ball well. Bowling a little fuller is the key to his dismissal as he gets bowled or is out lbw a fair bit. Asad is a player who can set up the match for you, but he relies heavily on others to finish the game off.

BABAR AZAM

Babar is a potential superstar of world cricket. Since the start of 2018, Babar has averaged more than 50 in every format of the game. He has ample time to play his shots and never seems to be rushed or ruffled. A good Test series here will be huge for his growing reputation around the world. The Australians will try to bounce him and get into his rib cage. His battle with the Australian quicks will be the reason I will be watching this series!

IFTIKHAR AHMED

Iftikhar had a very good T20 series and he has been the most prolific run scorer in Pakistan over the past three years. Where he could get in trouble is his tendency of wanting to play the pull or hook shot off the front foot. Now that can get you into serious trouble when guys bowl 140km/h at you. Iftikhar has only played one Test but he is a very good player and the Australians need to treat him with respect.

MOHAMMAD RIZWAN

Rizwan has taken over from Sarfaraz Ahmed as the Pakistan wicketkeeper and he knows there is some serious pressure on him to perform. A good tour here could cement his spot in the team for the next 12 months. The red ball game suits his batting style more than the white ball. Rizwan has made lots of runs in Pakistan first class cricket and he scores his runs mainly behind the wicket as he camps a lot on the back foot.

NASEEM SHAH

This 17-year-old is fast and furious. He also knows where they are going. In just six first-class games, Naseem has already taken two five-wicket bags. He’s quick (145km/h plus) and aggressive. He is also very good at reversing the ball. Naseem’s major problem is not to get too carried away with the bounce and carry. Sure, bounce a few guys to let them know he is around, but then he has to go back to good line and length. Pakistan’s bowling coach in Waqar Younis has a big role to play here to help the youngsters know where and how to bowl in Australia. It’s terribly sad that Naseem’s mother died while he was on tour but I’m sure the players will surround him with love.

YASIR SHAH

I hear Yasir is very much down in confidence with some poor form of late. He is not a huge turner of the ball. He does beat a few right-handers on the inside edge of the bat. The Australians’ tactics should be to not let him settle down on a line and length. They need to attack him early in the over and hurt him as much as they can. His bad ball tends to be dragged in short, if he knows that the batsmen are running at him.

SHAHEEN AFRIDI

I love this tall left-handed left arm quick as he can swing it both ways. Another young lad who is 19, Shaheen will enjoy the bounce that his height will provide. I feel the World Cup was the making of him as a bowler. This guy has a very good bouncer and is quicker than you think. Another player who Australia should watch out for.

MOHAMMAD ABBAS

What an amazing bowler this guy is. His record is pure. Even though Abbas only bowls around 130km/h, he has already taken 66 wickets in just 14 Tests, with four five-wicket bags coupled with a 10-wicket match. Abbas has no problem swinging the new ball both ways. His strength is his amazing accuracy of line and length. It won’t take him long to swing the old ball as he can reverse it as well. The Australians know how good this guy is and will show him lots of respect, I can assure you. How David Warner plays Abbas is crucial to Australia’s success.

The obvious problem for Pakistan is their lack of preparation for this tour. They have a very inexperienced and unknown bowling attack but this could work in their favour. However, I do worry about the fitness of the young kids bowling in long spells and this will be a major concern for their coach Misbah-ul-Haq.

Fortunately for them, their form in the game against Australia A was OK. Let’s hope that is a good omen for them to be a little more competitive than we expect.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...r-australian-test-series-20191115-p53ax2.html
 
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I really wanted deano to have got our coaching position, misbah could have been made his assistant, if pcb were that determined to promote misbah.
 
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