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It's been 5 years of Psl and we don't see many young Pakistani batsmens been given a go. To top it off a lot of these teams are having foreigners in top 4. Today Islamabad top 4 were all foreigners. Multan had 3 out of their top 4 as oversees.

I can't remember the last time a young Pakistani batsmens was given a proper go at PSL. In fact someone like Babar azam was benched in the first PSL while international failures were selected over him.

Coming to this emerging player category. They have made a mockery of this. They select an opener then they send him at 7.

Now coming to the main point. For a start we don't select them but when we do this is what we do with them.

Kamran Ghulam all rounder (played 1 or 2 games) never to be seen again.

Abdullah Shafiq (selected and never picked again and more importantly never even given a game)

Zeeshan Malik ( hasn't been picked)

Nazir Nawaz (picked is an opener played at 7 or 8 then dropped)

Rizwan Hussain( given 2 games opener I believe then pushed down and not played again)

Zeeshan Ashraf( opener batting at 5)

Haider ali even though he still batting in the top order is made to bat at 3.

Saif Badar according to aqib javeed was a star 3 years ago yet to get a game in PSL and he's regressed a bit.

Nabi Gul( didn't get a game till the final and then dropped).

Saud shakeel ( picked for 2 season without getting a game is then dropped).

Nauman Anwar ( I believed played 3 games in the first edition then dropped)

Mukhtar Ahmed has played 1 game which I think was a final.

Hussain talat opened and scored a fifty since then he's batting in the middle order.

Imran butt selected never given a go.

Umer saddiq didn't get a game in the first edition then dropped was picked last year by multan and I believe he scored more then shan and now he's dropped and Shan is the captain.

I must hsve miseed some but this attitude towards young batsmens in pathetic. I am not saying they are world beaters or anything at least when they are picked they should be given a fair run and in their preferred positions. Would you see any of these teams playing they oversees opener at 7 or 8. Never. Time to start giving our youngsters a fair run and stop with this ghulam mentatitly which we have.

Thoughts?
 
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100% agree.

Why is PCB allowing its head coach to be a manager for one franchise? And why is the manager not looking at the best interest of Pakistan in the PSL?

Two games and the franchise has picked 4 overseas batsmen.

Pakistan have clearly no use of Shadab, Asif Ali and Faheem Ashraf at 5-7 yet these three occupy these spots. Why is Misbah afraid of experimenting Asif Ali and Faheem Ashraf in the top 4? This is a platform where he can possibly give Pakistan an extra dimension by seeing how good these lower order failures are in the top order.
 
Rana said:
100% agree.

Why is PCB allowing its head coach to be a manager for one franchise? And why is the manager not looking at the best interest of Pakistan in the PSL?

Two games and the franchise has picked 4 overseas batsmen.

Pakistan have clearly no use of Shadab, Asif Ali and Faheem Ashraf at 5-7 yet these three occupy these spots. Why is Misbah afraid of experimenting Asif Ali and Faheem Ashraf in the top 4? This is a platform where he can possibly give Pakistan an extra dimension by seeing how good these lower order failures are in the top order.
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If they are jot good enough here then why are they pciked for pakistan?
 
One of the biggest problem with PSL is that almost all foreign players are batsmen or all rounders.

Almost all teams have batting composition that is foreign heavy and bowling that is almost 100% local. If the odd young local batsman does make it in a lineup they end up facing the same bowling they face in domestic cricket so there is limited development potential.

Don’t see Pakistan unearthing any batting talent from PSL anytime soon.
 
There could be two reasons one is that Pakistan don't have youngsters who wants to work hard and develop their game and the second reason could be the couching standard of Pakistan is so pathetic that even though a few selective youngsters are given chances they are not being coached properly and developed, only handful of few young players have performed consistently in Psl which is to be honest has very low quality and if they come and play international cricket with such skills you know the few results like Asif Ali one example comes to my mind
 
OP, given the first few editions of PSL what did you expect to be different this time around ?

All I see is a second rate league where foreigners hog the key batting positions, a bunch of journeyman overseas players occupying positions to the cost of young Pakistani players who either rot on the bench or aren't drafted at all, bits and pieces all-rounders, and over-the-hill Pakistani players who are shamelessly dragging out their careers (Hafeez, Malik, Afridi, Tanvir).

The pitches are hit and miss, the commentary is abysmal, the sponsors are crudely shoved down your throat and the broadcast quality is mediocre.

And the record of this league in producing cricketers for the national team is hit and miss, which is being generous.

No wonder people aren't packing the stands. This is why I packed in watching this second rate league after 2018. I cannot wait to get back to watching Pakistan international cricket which is what really matters.
 
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There should be a rule that one emerging player should be batsmen and the other one a bowler. It would balance it out
 
Do these players play in the National T20 Cups?

How many people come to the stadiums to watch those?

How many people sit at home and watch on TV?
 
Completely agreed that they havent been given enough oppurtunities but not sure what can be done about it.
 
I looked at Islamabad United's top 4 and whilst I was impressed with the quality, it broke my heart.

This is the Pakistan Super League and not a single Pakistani in the top 4.
 
Saj said:
I looked at Islamabad United's top 4 and whilst I was impressed with the quality, it broke my heart.

This is the Pakistan Super League and not a single Pakistani in the top 4.
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The worst part is, the coach of Islamabad is in charge of Pakistan cricket essentially for the next few years.
 
Khan12 said:
It's been 5 years of Psl and we don't see many young Pakistani batsmens been given a go. To top it off a lot of these teams are having foreigners in top 4. Today Islamabad top 4 were all foreigners. Multan had 3 out of their top 4 as oversees.

I can't remember the last time a young Pakistani batsmens was given a proper go at PSL. In fact someone like Babar azam was benched in the first PSL while international failures were selected over him.

Coming to this emerging player category. They have made a mockery of this. They select an opener then they send him at 7.

Now coming to the main point. For a start we don't select them but when we do this is what we do with them.

Kamran Ghulam all rounder (played 1 or 2 games) never to be seen again.

Abdullah Shafiq (selected and never picked again and more importantly never even given a game)

Zeeshan Malik ( hasn't been picked)

Nazir Nawaz (picked is an opener played at 7 or 8 then dropped)

Rizwan Hussain( given 2 games opener I believe then pushed down and not played again)

Zeeshan Ashraf( opener batting at 5)

Haider ali even though he still batting in the top order is made to bat at 3.

Saif Badar according to aqib javeed was a star 3 years ago yet to get a game in PSL and he's regressed a bit.

Nabi Gul( didn't get a game till the final and then dropped).

Saud shakeel ( picked for 2 season without getting a game is then dropped).

Nauman Anwar ( I believed played 3 games in the first edition then dropped)

Mukhtar Ahmed has played 1 game which I think was a final.

Hussain talat opened and scored a fifty since then he's batting in the middle order.

Imran butt selected never given a go.

Umer saddiq didn't get a game in the first edition then dropped was picked last year by multan and I believe he scored more then shan and now he's dropped and Shan is the captain.

I must hsve miseed some but this attitude towards young batsmens in pathetic. I am not saying they are world beaters or anything at least when they are picked they should be given a fair run and in their preferred positions. Would you see any of these teams playing they oversees opener at 7 or 8. Never. Time to start giving our youngsters a fair run and stop with this ghulam mentatitly which we have.

Thoughts?
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I dont agree.

The best T20 batsmen in Pakistan are playing at their favorite spots. Babar, fakhar, sharjeel, Kamran are playing as openers. Shan masood is playing as opener even though he proved himself in List-As, not in T20s . Even ahmed shehzad and umer akmal play in the top order (when they are available and not busy ****ing up their careers).

The feeder to PSL for domestic players is National T20 Cup. If any of these youngsters that you mentioned did exceptionally good in National T20 Cup, they would have been chosen for top order spots. These youngsters should take the domestic T20 Cup seriously instead of relying on PSLs commercially oriented franchises to take a chance on them.

I personally do not want uncooked and unriped youngsters to be given chances in PSL considering how easy it is for young players to hop in to the national cricket team from PSL. It is for their own benefit too. They come to the national team from PSL and then upon failure against tough teams, people call them hacks and over-hyped club players (hussain Talat and Asif Ali being examples). The allure of PSL as a shortcut to international stardom for these players ironically becomes their shortcut to hell.
 
I really do worry that PSL is being viewed as some kind of talent hunt or developing ground for our youngsters. We'll go backwards in that case.

Our batsmen should be proving themselves in domestic FC and List A cricket. PSL should be purely for entertainment purposes + a little extra pocket money for those lucky enough to be selected.
 
They're being played and the right ones being given opportunities.

Some people here though expect PSL to be a welfare league whose purpose is to only play some unknown youngsta beauties so some people on the internet can be satisfied.

Want to play unknowns A B C? Go watch Faysal Bank T20.

Or QeA trophy.

Or the domestic ODI cup.

All the young players who have potential are somehow involved with the teams.

Yes sometimes it is sad that people like Shan Masood are hogging an genuine opener's slot.

But that is the only major terrible nepotism I've seen.

Again, this isn't a welfare league. Franchises will play their best players and best combinations. ISLU is the only franchise to being up so many youngsters and ideally others should follow too.

Commercial league, commercial value and interests. Not FaisalBank T20, a welfare scheme for unknowns.
 
Markhor said:
OP, given the first few editions of PSL what did you expect to be different this time around ?

All I see is a second rate league where foreigners hog the key batting positions, a bunch of journeyman overseas players occupying positions to the cost of young Pakistani players who either rot on the bench or aren't drafted at all, bits and pieces all-rounders, and over-the-hill Pakistani players who are shamelessly dragging out their careers (Hafeez, Malik, Afridi, Tanvir).

The pitches are hit and miss, the commentary is abysmal, the sponsors are crudely shoved down your throat and the broadcast quality is mediocre.

And the record of this league in producing cricketers for the national team is hit and miss, which is being generous.

No wonder people aren't packing the stands. This is why I packed in watching this second rate league after 2018. I cannot wait to get back to watching Pakistan international cricket which is what really matters.
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I didn't expect anything else. But now it's getting even more worse. I agree with the rest.
 
Hawkeye said:
They're being played and the right ones being given opportunities.

Some people here though expect PSL to be a welfare league whose purpose is to only play some unknown youngsta beauties so some people on the internet can be satisfied.

Want to play unknowns A B C? Go watch Faysal Bank T20.

Or QeA trophy.

Or the domestic ODI cup.

All the young players who have potential are somehow involved with the teams.

Yes sometimes it is sad that people like Shan Masood are hogging an genuine opener's slot.

But that is the only major terrible nepotism I've seen.

Again, this isn't a welfare league. Franchises will play their best players and best combinations. ISLU is the only franchise to being up so many youngsters and ideally others should follow too.

Commercial league, commercial value and interests. Not FaisalBank T20, a welfare scheme for unknowns.
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Yes the likes likes of Walton, Sammy, villas, bopara, cutting, Dawson,
Samit etc are well known world class players who everyone knows. No one says play unknown yongsta beauties. Don't pick them if they are not good enough or they are not gonna play. They are making a mockery of the emerging category.
 
It is sad to see this.

Zeeshan Ashraf did well, but he is played in the middle order, instead of the top order. You could easily drop down one of the foreigners.

Ahsan Ali didn't bat today and even tailenders like Sohail Khan came ahead of him!
 
Khan12 said:
Yes the likes likes of Walton, Sammy, villas, bopara, cutting, Dawson,
Samit etc are well known world class players who everyone knows.
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The advertisers, those buying media rights, etc....think they're enough and that's enough to get them to pump in the $$$.
 
Saj said:
I looked at Islamabad United's top 4 and whilst I was impressed with the quality, it broke my heart.

This is the Pakistan Super League and not a single Pakistani in the top 4.
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What else you expect from Misbah ?
 
I can only recall 3 young Pakistani batsmen who have made the most of the limited chances that they were granted. These include Babar, Imam and Azam Khan. Out of these three Imam had already played for Pakistan. Had Babar not debuted and performed well for Pakistan he would’ve been forever discarded by PSL franchises. Azam on the other hand is a curiously unique case because of his lack of experience in domestic circuit. All three of them are related to cricketers who knows/are the insiders in this rotten system.
 
Pcb need to introduce 2 emerging players in each team 1 bowler and 1 batter
 
The more we see PSL 5 the more it shows that out of all the teams have taken winning so serious that they are bound to oversee potential talent in the hope of winning through established names. Watson, Hafeez, Malik, afridi, kamran, fawad, bopara, Samit, ronchi, irfan, tanvir tahir, sammy, none of them are going to set world on fire.
 
Lol, Its not PSL's job to develop young pakistani players. The owners main goal is to make money and to do that they have top players play. The is franchise cricket, pakistani fans need to get it through their heads. Its the same for any league around the world cricket or any other. If a young players gets the opportunity with a PSL team to play they have to make impressions fast. For example Lahore Qalandars the development program they have its for their own franchise not for pakistan. Development of young pakistani players is gonna come from our own domestic tournaments and pakistan needs to do a better job of that. So please stop making threads about young pak players not getting chances in PSL as its not about development its about winning games and making money.
 
Yati said:
Lol, Its not PSL's job to develop young pakistani players. The owners main goal is to make money and to do that they have top players play. The is franchise cricket, pakistani fans need to get it through their heads. Its the same for any league around the world cricket or any other. If a young players gets the opportunity with a PSL team to play they have to make impressions fast. For example Lahore Qalandars the development program they have its for their own franchise not for pakistan. Development of young pakistani players is gonna come from our own domestic tournaments and pakistan needs to do a better job of that. So please stop making threads about young pak players not getting chances in PSL as its not about development its about winning games and making money.
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Yes the likes of vilas, samit,sammy etc are top players.
 
although i hate and would shame misbah and quetta oweners whenever i see them, its not PSL's remit to develop players for the national team

Babar, Harris, imam, Abid, Shan, Rizwan, Ifftikhar are the new playing batsmen across different formats. and all of them have come from the domestic routes. similary for the bowlers like SSA, Naseem, Hussnain, musa, akif, all came from the U-19 and or domestic. Zeeshan Ashraf performed in domestic and is coming back to life for international.

the PSL outputs of Asif Ali, Shadab, hussain talat, Fakhar Zaman, Faheem Ashraf, all from PSL and almost on verge of being the flops (saying verge becz our team management insist on playing them although they dont deserve to) ....

forward looking, players in contention for national spot, Zafar Gohar and Ammad Butt are also not the products of PSL....

So, domestic structure, which is now much much much improved, needs to provide players for the national team. PSL will be a good show piece for the cricket and will give a festive season rather than unearth talent ....
 
Khan12 said:
Yes the likes of vilas, samit,sammy etc are top players.
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They are a bigger name to the sponsors and Media rights then any no name young player pakistan can put out there. Pakistan has the Faysal T20 tournament with only pakistani players, did you pay attention to every game were the grounds even 30% full, did that tournament have a $14 million sponsor deal that's the last deal PSL signed with its sponsor hopefully it'll be bigger next time. You think star sports paid $2 billion to the IPL to show young indian players. It's the hard truth this is Private league with its owners what they say goes it's a business for them they each invested millions of dollars to make money not to develop local talent.
 
Young prospects and promising talent have been ignored since PSL was initiated. Thousands of Pakistani cricketers are put into silver category and never make the draft.

Its all to do with crap players in national team inferiority. Maliks, Hafeeza, Shehzads, Akmals look below standard when an inexperienced talent in good form outplayed them. This is something PCB mafia doesn't like.

Islamabad has been a repeated offender. To say they want to win which is why they've stacked up foreign players is disinformation. Islamabad is the only team that discourages picking batting performers from domestics. All psl teams do. They will pick a person performing in different format into T20. Example is Sahibzada Farhan. They picked him and then happily released him also.

Quetta picks one or two bats but they are mostly from their owners academy

Misbah and other PCB mafia know if certain talent performs its a problem for them.
 
shah_1 said:
Owners money and they can do what they want
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I didn't say it's my money and they should buy the players which I tell them. They can do whatever they like but don't give me the rubbish that they are top players etc.
 
Yati said:
They are a bigger name to the sponsors and Media rights then any no name young player pakistan can put out there. Pakistan has the Faysal T20 tournament with only pakistani players, did you pay attention to every game were the grounds even 30% full, did that tournament have a $14 million sponsor deal that's the last deal PSL signed with its sponsor hopefully it'll be bigger next time. You think star sports paid $2 billion to the IPL to show young indian players. It's the hard truth this is Private league with its owners what they say goes it's a business for them they each invested millions of dollars to make money not to develop local talent.
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Oh so from top-class players they have changed into bigger names. Yes in Pakistan they know of nobodies like Salt, samit, vilas etc right? Comeback again. From top-class to bigger names.

RIP for comparing National T20 (its not Faysal t20) with PSL shows how much you know.
 
[MENTION=149978]Yati[/MENTION]

Rofl I challenge you to go to any marketing individual and ask them who is Vilas or Samil Patel. They wouldnt even know which PSL team they belong to. Local sponsors apprise local talent. Apart from Shahid Afridi, there is no Pakistani star or a brand. Hafeez and Malik have been beneficiaries due to lack of talent but they are not starz and will never be one.
 
Khan12 said:
Oh so from top-class players they have changed into bigger names. Yes in Pakistan they know of nobodies like Salt, samit, vilas etc right? Comeback again. From top-class to bigger names.

RIP for comparing National T20 (its not Faysal t20) with PSL shows how much you know.
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okay that is my bad on the T20 tournament name. Still PSL is a business not its not there to develop local talent. Do you know how private franchises leagues work, name me one league in the world any sport that is developing players so they can play for there country.
 
ZamanFan said:
[MENTION=149978]Yati[/MENTION]

Rofl I challenge you to go to any marketing individual and ask them who is Vilas or Samil Patel. They wouldnt even know which PSL team they belong to. Local sponsors apprise local talent. Apart from Shahid Afridi, there is no Pakistani star or a brand. Hafeez and Malik have been beneficiaries due to lack of talent but they are not starz and will never be one.
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By that logic the National T20 cup should of had sponsor and TV rights deals in the Millions of dollars if it's all about the local talent.
 
Yati said:
okay that is my bad on the T20 tournament name. Still PSL is a business not its not there to develop local talent. Do you know how private franchises leagues work, name me one league in the world any sport that is developing players so they can play for there country.
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Maybe the OP again? To see what I am saying will be a good start.
 
the solution is a second division for psl comprised of psl rejects only.
have promotion and relegation like in club football.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
The advertisers and those buying media rights seem to think so and are pumping in the $$$.

Are they doing the same for the National T20 Cup?
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They are pumping in the money because Pakistan has a huge market in cricket. They can't ignore them and it has nothing to do with quality of international cricketers.
 
shah_1 said:
Owners money and they can do what they want
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Well not if PCB feels that what they are doing isn't helping Pakistan cricket.

After all we keep hearing that PSL is there to help Pakistan find it's future players.
 
PCB needs to either enforce greater restrictions on franchises, or give them greater incentives to select and groom younger players and captains.

Is the restriction still 'one' emerging category player per playing eleven?
 
FastBowlingAllrounder said:
PCB needs to either enforce greater restrictions on franchises, or give them greater incentives to select and groom younger players and captains.

Is the restriction still 'one' emerging category player per playing eleven?
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Yes restriction is still one emerging player. Also I am not sure how other leagues like IPL, CPL, BPL operate as visibly they dont have any restriction to play a youngster (In squads I think they have) but we have seen a lot of youngsters being tried and given opportunities irrespective of no set restriction. Maybe its some sort of incentive or just recommendation/request of boards to develop young talent as similar thing can be done by PCB for PSL as well.
 
Titan24 said:
Yes restriction is still one emerging player. Also I am not sure how other leagues like IPL, CPL, BPL operate as visibly they dont have any restriction to play a youngster (In squads I think they have) but we have seen a lot of youngsters being tried and given opportunities irrespective of no set restriction. Maybe its some sort of incentive or just recommendation/request of boards to develop young talent as similar thing can be done by PCB for PSL as well.
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Exactly, maybe some sort of monetary prize or a prized draft pick for the next season if one of the emerging players makes it to the international T20 team between this PSL and the next for the team that groomed that player.
 
FastBowlingAllrounder said:
Exactly, maybe some sort of monetary prize or a prized draft pick for the next season if one of the emerging players makes it to the international T20 team between this PSL and the next for the team that groomed that player.
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Wouldn’t work in Pakistan. Franchises would either bribe the selectors or offer them jobs for selecting their emerging talent regardless of the merit.
 
No more than 3 foreign players per team should be the rule. I know it doesn’t solve the problem but it helps ensure every team will have a local player in the top 4
 
To be fair the PSL was brought in to bring income to the PCB. We believed they brought it in for the infrastructure, the renovations for the stadiums, bringing cricket back to the Pakistan full time and unearthing talent at a more worldwide stage. If PCB wanted to unearth more youngsters they should try to look at domestic cricket rather than a T20 competition.
 
Decrease the quantity of foriegn players to 2 per team. it will increase quality and also more chances for pakistani players
 
This thread doesn't make sense. PSL is a business. Franchise here is to make money not to give a chance to new player. They play the team they believe in their financial interest. Finding talent from PSL sums up everything is wrong with pak cricket. Look at IPL, nobody cry to give a new player a chance. IPL is getting bigger because its only purpose is to provide entertainment. I hope sanity prevails
 
its not PSL's fault? just poor management by franchises. Main aim for PSL is to generate revenue and I believe they are doing a decent job
 
Well done to Peshawar,quetta,multan for giving thier young batesman a full chance credit to management defo pcb need to look at this .
 
farazaidi said:
its not PSL's fault? just poor management by franchises. Main aim for PSL is to generate revenue and I believe they are doing a decent job
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How many franchises are in the black ? I read reports before this PSL that they were begging PCB for financial relief. Maybe things will change after this PSL that's fully hosted in Pakistan.
 
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