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7 hours to go before this huge match kicks off and weather looks good, hope the following team is played

Shehzad
Akmal
Alam
YK
Afridi
Malik
Misbah
Arafat
Gul
Aamer
Ajmal

Insh'Allah we will win today and i will witness my first ever live Pakistan Victory, cant wait! :afridi
 
TEAM:
Ahmed Shahzad
Kamran Akmal
Younis Khan
Misbah Ul Haq
Shoaib Malik
Fawad Alam
Shahid Afridi
Yasir Arafat/Sohail Tanvir(based on strategy)
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Aamer

Strategy 1 with the bat:
Akmal and Shahzad open, play like they did against India, go all out. We set a limit on the number of wickets we can afford to lose in the powerplay. Afridi and/or Arafat come in at the fall of a wicket within the powerplay and have explicit instructions to go for their shots.
Since the top order isn't contributing much, we might as well be 60 for 3 instead of 30 for 2.
Younis Khan comes in if we lose the limit of wickets set (example at number 5) and steadies the innings, and Malik and Misbah and Alam can still accelerate in the end hopefully with one of Arafat or Afridi to come.

Strategy 2 with the bat:
Akmal and Shahzad play proper cricket, but still look to score, as soon as en early wicket falls Younis khan comes in, occupies some time, and we keep loads of wickets for the last 8-10 overs where we should look to raise the score from about 70-80 to 170-180
The risk factor of a collapse is much less ikely in this strategy but its not a given that acceleration will be easy for the middle/lower order and wickets might still fall.

Bowling Strategy number 1:
If tanvir plays, he opens the bowling with aamer, they'll hopefully be alright till the powerplay, if not, sneak an over in with gul and/or afridi and or ajmal.
As soon as powerplay comes in exploit the English weakness against spin, put a throttle on the run scoring and mount pressure, Umar gul comes in with his quota intact or with 3 overs in hand to ball at the death. Malik also contributes with a spell somewhere if it can be accomidated.

Bowling Strategy 2:
Do not play tanvir, Make the batting more foolproof by playing Arafat, Ajmal/Afridi open the bowling with Aamer and expose England to spin straightaway thereby either taking early wickets or putting a lid on the run scoring.
Afridi/Ajmal come on durnig the powerplay depending on which of them opened the bowling, they are aided by the 5th bowler's quota being fulfilled by Malik and/or Arafat.
Gul comes in to bowl at his customary position with about 11-12-13 overs up, and bowls 4 on the trot till the end.

What do you ppl think, Which Strategies for tomorrow???
 
Sallu Bhai it's today though don't know where you are located.

you make a good point, maybe Arafat or even Gul should come up and be used as sloggers in the Powerplays, would be a good move, even if it don't pay off
 
pakistanbest said:
Sallu Bhai it's today though don't know where you are located.

you make a good point, maybe Arafat or even Gul should come up and be used as sloggers in the Powerplays, would be a good move, even if it don't pay off

yeah its today, i know obviously, but i dont get you, i'm located in dubai
 
lol wait for it to start bro, its like 7 hours to the game
 
Do PP'ers think if Alam plays we should go for four pacers, i feel Ajmal with his doosra will be hard for the English to handle, decent opening bowling and then after 6 overs, the spinners will choke England

Spinners of Malik, Afridi, Ajmal and even Alam will be key!
 
From what I saw at the Oval yesterday, despite heavily overcast conditions the pacers were still getting smacked around.

It's best that we have no more than three pacers.
 
I think the team is settled almost.
Theres just a minor dilemma of whether to play a makeshift opener with Ahmed Shahzad like Akmal,Afridi or Younis and Play Alam or Go with Butt.

So in most probability one from Butt and Alam will play.

And the other dilemma they have is whether to go with tanvir or arafat. Probably go with tanvir as we need someone to open the bowling, already have 2 spinners and gul to come in the middle.
 
Guys has Tanvir ever played against the English, don't think he has right?

His action could cause them problems, who would you choose between Arafat and Tanvir

Arafat is better batter and fielder and Tanvir is better bowler just about!
 
Spinners really will be key as they always are v England in ODIs...however as you saw v India on Wed- if the pacers don't get early wickets and get hammered, the spinners can be milked.

The pacers need early wickets. Tanvir and Aamer must get early breakthroughs- Bopara and Pietersen would take Pakistan a long way :) Everyone talks about swing, but there's been none on offer has there?
 
pakistanbest said:
Guys has Tanvir ever played against the English, don't think he has right?

His action could cause them problems, who would you choose between Arafat and Tanvir

Arafat is better batter and fielder and Tanvir is better bowler just about!

yeah exactly, thats what the management has to decide. Its tight but I'd go for tanvir because more than a batsmen we need a NEW BALL bowler.
 
Wasim_Waqar said:
Spinners really will be key as they always are v England in ODIs...however as you saw v India on Wed- if the pacers don't get early wickets and get hammered, the spinners can be milked.

The pacers need early wickets. Tanvir and Aamer must get early breakthroughs- Bopara and Pietersen would take Pakistan a long way :) Everyone talks about swing, but there's been none on offer has there?
Think get through the top order and let the spinners finish off the others, England are not ery good players of spin, Ajmal and Afridi will be key!
 
Wasim_Waqar said:
Spinners really will be key as they always are v England in ODIs...however as you saw v India on Wed- if the pacers don't get early wickets and get hammered, the spinners can be milked.

The pacers need early wickets. Tanvir and Aamer must get early breakthroughs- Bopara and Pietersen would take Pakistan a long way :) Everyone talks about swing, but there's been none on offer has there?

nope "not a ball has swung the whole summer" accordin to David Lloyd. Its something about the kookaburra not swinging in England for some reason.
 
*sallu* said:
yeah exactly, thats what the management has to decide. Its tight but I'd go for tanvir because more than a batsmen we need a NEW BALL bowler.
That's true but against India, what would we have done without Arafat's batting who made a decent 20+
 
pakistanbest said:
Think get through the top order and let the spinners finish off the others, England are not ery good players of spin, Ajmal and Afridi will be key!


Yes!!! And that is why it wont be a bad idea to expose the English to their weakness early by either opening with a spinner or bringing one on as early as the 3rd 4th over!!!
 
Guys If Pak win toss, what should they do?

I would say Bowl first, conditions will favour them

Sun has just come out in Luton, not that bad weather today!
 
pakistanbest said:
That's true but against India, what would we have done without Arafat's batting who made a decent 20+

LOL!!
thats why its a difficult choice, at the end of the day its about whether you need another batsmen or another bowler.
And really Pakistan still has batting till number 8 without Arafat so tanvir might get the nod because of that.
Dunno, tough choice
 
*sallu* said:
Yes!!! And that is why it wont be a bad idea to expose the English to their weakness early by either opening with a spinner or bringing one on as early as the 3rd 4th over!!!
No way should we open with spinner, in the powerplays, Spinners can be decent but a huge risk and should only be taken if needed
 
*sallu* said:
LOL!!
thats why its a difficult choice, at the end of the day its about whether you need another batsmen or another bowler.
And really Pakistan still has batting till number 8 without Arafat so tanvir might get the nod because of that.
Dunno, tough choice
If Alam Plays and Akmal or YK open, bring in Tanvir, big risk but Tanvir has to got impress and fire!

Batting will be long enough then and maybe Tanvir can be promoted up the order!
 
pakistanbest said:
If Alam Plays and Akmal or YK open, bring in Tanvir, big risk but Tanvir has to got impress and fire!

Batting will be long enough then and maybe Tanvir can be promoted up the order!

Yeah no doubt. He is due a performance.
And for God's sake stop bowling so many friggin Noballs guys !!!!
 
I think Ajmal plays, not sure who misses out, probably Tanvir, maybe they might not even gamble Aamir.

England are not the greatest of players against spin, I don't think they'll do that well against Ajmal, Afridi, Malik combo.
 
dblock said:
I think Ajmal plays, not sure who misses out, probably Tanvir, maybe they might not even gamble Aamir.

England are not the greatest of players against spin, I don't think they'll do that well against Ajmal, Afridi, Malik combo.

Ajmal is a certainty, hes been consistant since day 1 and it would be extremely unfair to drop him. Infact i don't think they'd even consider it-even on a fast bowling pitch.

And yeah definitely one between tanvir and arafat misses out. But you never know- it is the PCB after all
 
off now to get ready and make my way to the train station, my 2nd live match!

Insha'Allah Pakistan will demolish the English, i am so pumped up for this match, cant wait!

C'mon Pakistan, Insha'Allah jeeta ga

Pakistan Zindabaad!
 
Obviously we're in England, but how many Pakistan fans do you think we'll see vs. English fans?

Get Bopara and KP if he plays- nice and early and Pakistan can win well. Positive thinking. Play this match like a World Cup final- cuz that's what England will do.
 
Butt needs to stay away from the team

Alam and Aamer MUST be selected

I would go with the following side

Shahzaib Hasan
Ahmed Shehzad
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Misbah Ul Haq
Fawad Alam
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Saeed Ajmal
Umar Gul
Mohammad Aamer
 
How many spinners do you want? Also remember if it gets wet, the ball will not spin that much PLUS I'd always have three pacers.
 
Any team the captain want to play with he can, but that particular XI players have to perform, i got no problem with butt as long as his sr is over 100.

they should pace their innings and batting first 180 is on card, and even if 180 is target, we should be able to snatch the match of england
 
Probable teams according to Cricinfo:
Pakistan: (probable) 1 Ahmed Shehzad, 2 Salman Butt, 3 Kamran Akmal (wk), 4 Shoaib Malik, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq, 6 Younis Khan (capt), 7 Shahid Afridi, 8 Sohail Tanvir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Mohammad Aamer, 11 Saeed Ajmal.

England: (probable) 1 Luke Wright, 2 Ravi Bopara, 3 Kevin Pietersen, 4 Owais Shah, 5 Paul Collingwood (capt), 6 Dimitri Mascarenhas, 7 James Foster (wk), 8 Graeme Swann, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 James Anderson, 11 Ryan Sidebottom.
 
yeah cricinfo's not bad
but i'd have alam instead of butt
 
Da Best said:
The cricinfo probables for Pakistan is not that bad.
Would have Arafat for Tanvir and Alam for Butt, with Shehzad and Akmal opening.
 
On_the_up said:
Would have Arafat for Tanvir and Alam for Butt, with Shehzad and Akmal opening.

not sure about arafat,
although he batted well what we need more badly is a new ball bowler.
its a really tough choice but id personally go with tanvir. If arafat plays it'l be a gamble and we'll just havta hope he bowls a couple of overs with the new ball economically.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
any team that has Butt in it is bad

lol yeah.. woudln't have him in the team... if they do want to play 2 regular openers, which they should not, then shazaib hasan should still get the nod over butt
 
dblock said:
I think Ajmal plays, not sure who misses out, probably Tanvir, maybe they might not even gamble Aamir.

England are not the greatest of players against spin, I don't think they'll do that well against Ajmal, Afridi, Malik combo.

Agreed .. spin will be the key.

The quicks got hammered in the matches at the Oval yesterday.
 
Anyone at or approaching the Oval yet ?

Hows the weather ?
 
The less overs there are the more it benefits England I think.
 
cricinfos probable team for pakistan:
Pakistan: (probable) 1 Ahmed Shehzad, 2 Salman Butt, 3 Kamran Akmal (wk), 4 Shoaib Malik, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq, 6 Younis Khan (capt), 7 Shahid Afridi, 8 Sohail Tanvir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Mohammad Aamer, 11 Saeed Ajmal.
 
Pakistan have to get there batting order correct today, no need for Salman Butt at the top.

1. Shahid Afridi
2. Ahmed Shehzad
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Misbah Ul Huq
5. Younus Khan
6. Fawad Alam
7. Kamran Akmal
8. Sohail Tanvir/Yasir Arafat
9. Umar Gul
10. Mohammad Amer
11. Saeed Ajmal

This is the team Pakistan need to play, if Afridi fails, then theres Malik at 3 for damage control.
Pakistan also have 7 capable bowlers (including Alam and Malik).
 
bone_thug786 said:
cricinfos probable team for pakistan:
Pakistan: (probable) 1 Ahmed Shehzad, 2 Salman Butt, 3 Kamran Akmal (wk), 4 Shoaib Malik, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq, 6 Younis Khan (capt), 7 Shahid Afridi, 8 Sohail Tanvir, 9 Umar Gul, 10 Mohammad Aamer, 11 Saeed Ajmal.

Only concerm a very long tail starting from afridi :)
 
kashif77 said:
Anyone at or approaching the Oval yet ?

Hows the weather ?

just about to leave now, the weathers looking ok, i heard its going to rain for alittle bit later on. any1 got seats on the balcony ????
 
Its not going to rain an little bit its going to rain huge amounts Heavy showers!
 
Forcasters got it totally wrong here in Yorkshire. Yesterday they were saying Heavy showers but we havent seen a drop of rain yet.
 
From what i see on the BBC it should for a bit around 3pm and then thats it for the day.. i left my flags at my shop so gonna drive down pick them up and ring up my one of my mates whos the only one who aint up yet i think lol and then leave....
 
was abotu to leave now, living 20 minutes from the Oval and it is absoluetly pouring.

30 minutes of this and any chance of a game will be difficult
 
Boi said:
Forcasters got it totally wrong here in Yorkshire. Yesterday they were saying Heavy showers but we havent seen a drop of rain yet.


Trust me 1 and half hours before the match you will Heavy showers non-stop till about 7pm or so
 
Good luck with everyone who are going to the staduim and INSH ALLAH Pakistan will win.
 
can the mods just stop/delete/block whatever all those SHOWER FANS
 
If we play on the same pitch as SA and SCOT game it should take plenty of spin. Good news for Pak
 
heres my pak team for today

Shehzad
Butt
Younis
Malik
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Akmal
Afridi
Tanvir
Gul
Aamer

but i know for a fact someone in the setup needs to pay saeed ajmal some fee's for a one night stand so he will definetly get a game.
i really dont understand why waste a spot on a specialist spinner when you got 2 and maybe 3 spinners with the inclusion of fawad in the team.
 
If we play to our potential, I think England are in for a humiliation. The only problem is, we hardly play to our potential, and that too in important games

But here's hoping for a cracking performance from Pakistan to kick off our campaign
 
Ajmal is a msut IMO. The Englsih won't be able to handle his variations. We should get some idea of what the pitch is when SA and the Scotts are playing.
 
yeah, if Ajmals not in the team i'll tear my hair off,
but seriously theres no way they'd even think about not playin him, hes as certain in the team as misbah, malik and gul
 
*sallu* said:
yeah, if Ajmals not in the team i'll tear my hair off,
but seriously theres no way they'd even think about not playin him, hes as certain in the team as misbah, malik and gul

Even the South African are playing 2 spinners. Ajmal is a must.
 
Team I would play is

Shehzad
Akmal
Younis
Malik
Misbah
Fawad Alam
Afridi
Arafat
Gul
Aamer
Ajmal

Afarat and Tanvir are as good/bad as each other but Arafat at least gives you some thing in the batting dept.
 
I've been watching the Scotland vs SA match and there certainly is some spin in the wicket which will help Ajmal and Afridi.
 
Kamran
Shehzad
Malik
Younis
Fawad
Misbah
Afridi
Yasir/Tanvir
Gul
Aamer
Ajmal
 
Most likely team (Knowing Team Management):

Shehzad
Butt
Akmal
Y Khan
Misbah
Malik
Afridi
Tanvir
Gul
Aamir
Ajmal

My team:

Akmal
Shehzad
Y Khan
Misbah
Malik
Alam
Afridi
Arafat
Gul
Aamir
Ajmal
 
pitch looks not to shabby and will spin a lot. I think this might be Afridi's day.

I really hope they don't decide to put in Butt today? Akmal and Shahzad is fine with me.
 
Selecting Swann ahead of Rashid might be a mistake for England as the pitch is spinning quite a bit.
 
Why Pak team has not utilized Shehzad's spin (he is supposedly a handy leg spinner) and even YK could have bowled an over or two in the two practice games...is just beyond me; we lost those two games easily, the least we could have tried was check out more bowling options?

Fawad and Aamir must play and Butt's butt must warm the bench and hopefully we win; team for today can be Shehzad, Akmal, YK/Malik, Fawad, Misbah, YK/Malik, Afridi, Arafat, Tanvir, Gul, Ajaml

***Batting order must be rotated as the need be
 
watching the saffie scotland match and the pitch is turning
 
they should definitely go with Fawad Alam today, as he can be handy with the bowl & as someone mentioning there will be sum spin in the wicket
the fast bowlers are going for runs at the start so may b it will be a good move to start off with spin & England are never comfortable against spin

1) Ahmed Shehzad
2) Kamran Akmal
3) Shoaib Malik
4) Younis Khan
5) Misbah ul Haq
6) Fawad Alam
7) Shahid Afridi
8) Sohail Tanvir
9) Umar Gul
10) Mohammad Aamer
11) Saeed Ajmal
 
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Salman Butt is most likely playing today. His critic Wasim Akram has also now said that its not time to experiment.
 
We need to open one end with Afridi, Malik or Ajmal plain and simple,

Dhoni brought in Pathan in the 3rd over the other day and it was a result...
 
Waisay - no need to bang our heads for some fancy strategy to play England ! Remember, they are as a bad as us - just play good cricket and win
 
just heard Bumble fumble on sky sports.. :))

"Pakistan have two excellent opening bowlers (oppps slienence) umar gul in one and... lets talk about their batting"
 
MIG said:
Waisay - no need to bang our heads for some fancy strategy to play England ! Remember, they are as a bad as us - just play good cricket and win



:inti Ask him how it can be done and he might have no clue or :butt
 
Salman said:
just heard Bumble fumble on sky sports.. :))

"Pakistan have two excellent opening bowlers (oppps slienence) umar gul in one and... lets talk about their batting"

:)) :)) ... just shows where the once fearsome pakistani fast bowling is at today.
 
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