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Pakistan Test squad arrives in Karachi

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After having played their first Test on Pakistani soil, the national men’s team cannot wait for the second and final Test against Sri Lanka which will be played at the iconic National Stadium in Karachi.

Pakistan have enjoyed a phenomenal record in Test cricket here which earned the stadium a nickname of being ‘Pakistan’s fortress in Test cricket’. They have won 21 out of 41 Tests here with only two resulting in defeats for them.

With the first match ending in a draw and the upcoming Test providing Pakistan a chance to win the first Test series in the country in more than a decade and bag some crucial ICC World Test Championship points, their captain Azhar Ali is eager to lead the side at the historic venue.

Azhar Ali said: “Pakistan have had an excellent record in Test cricket at the National Stadium and I can’t wait for the toss. The whole team is excited for the match.”

Growing up in Karachi, opening batsman Shan Masood has had ample opportunities to play first-class cricket at the iconic stadium. The 30-year-old is eager to open the innings for Pakistan in a Test match there.

Shan Masood said: “Growing up we have seen some of the best cricketing action at the National Stadium which developed my interest in the game. I remember missing my school to watch a 1996 World Cup match between Pakistan and South Africa in which Aamir Sohail scored a century. Then there was an India-Pakistan match in which Rajesh Chauhan struck a six. That match went into the final over.”

Asad Shafiq, who boasts the record of most number of Test centuries at number six, is another player in the side who is well-aware of the conditions that the National Stadium offers in red-ball cricket.

The Karachi-born has been on both sides of the fence.

Asad Shafiq said: “I was screaming at the top of my lungs in the crowd when [Mohammad] Asif bhai got the wicket of Sachin Tendulkar at the National Stadium in a Test match. I had sore throat after the match. Asif bhai bowled an exceptional spell that day. It is a memory that I still cherish.”

After having stamped his authority in white-ball cricket, Babar Azam has put up imposing performances in Tests and celebrated the return of the game’s pinnacle format with a century on the final day of Rawalpindi Test on Sunday.

Babar Azam said: “I am very excited that we are playing the second Test in Karachi. I can’t wait to bat in Test whites at the National Stadium’s wicket after having played T20Is and ODIs there. I am hopeful that our batsmen and bowlers will perform to the fullest and make the series memorable by winning the last Test.

“I request Karachiites to turn out in large numbers and support the return of Test cricket to the city.”

It was Fawad Alam’s talismanic performances at the National Stadium in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy this year which led to a call-up to the National Stadium. The middle-order batsman scored three centuries –including 211 for Sindh against Southern Punjab – and a half-century in four matches.

Fawad Alam said: “It is certainly a step in the right direction that Test cricket is returning to Karachi. The people of Karachi will come out in large numbers to support both teams, which will inspire younger cricketer to take up the game.”

Over the years, Karachi has become almost like a home for Mohammad Rizwan as he represents Karachi Kings in HBL PSL. The wicketkeeper-batsman hopes that he will be able to entertain cricket fans with his glove-work and batting in the second Test.

Mohammad Rizwan said: “Karachi has become my city as I have been playing for Karachi Kings. I am very happy that Test cricket is returning here. I am looking forward to grabbing this opportunity and living up to the expectations that Pakistan cricket fans have from me.”

The second Test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka begins Thursday (19 December).

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If the pitch is pacer friendly, then they can go ahead with the bold decision of playing 4 pacers.

Yasir is trash anyway nowadays.

Very very exciting times these, seeing an all-pace young attack working in tandem and gaining invaluable experience.

Super glad we've taken the approach of developing players.

Regardless, Yasir might just sneak in if Mushtaq endorses. That won't be a terrible decision either.
 
Sri Lanka Test squad arrives at their hotel in Karachi

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Pre 2nd match Pakistan vs Sri Lanka discussion Karachi

Pre match discussion Pakistan vs Sri Lanka karachi match 2
 
I think after the success of Abid ali we must give Fawad Alam a chance as well. He’s proven that age is just a negligible factor and it’s skill and fitness that matter.

Another change I’d like to see is possibly see Yasir Shah back or Kashif bhatti make his debut.

On to weak links I think shan masood needs to be dropped for the next game seeing as he’s just been average for so long with a 40/50 here and there and not converting those starts. We’ve got better openers in Imran butt or Sami Aslam who can’t really do any worse than him.

My playing XI for Karachi:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali (c)
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Fawad Alam
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Kashif Bhatti/Yasir Shah
9. Naseem Shah
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
If the pitch is pacer friendly, then they can go ahead with the bold decision of playing 4 pacers.

Yasir is trash anyway nowadays.

Very very exciting times these, seeing an all-pace young attack working in tandem and gaining invaluable experience.

Super glad we've taken the approach of developing players.

Regardless, Yasir might just sneak in if Mushtaq endorses. That won't be a terrible decision either.

What would’ve changed in a week spending time in the NCA? He won’t have become warne overnight. Kashif Bhatti could debut might as well give a chance.
 
I think after the success of Abid ali we must give Fawad Alam a chance as well. He’s proven that age is just a negligible factor and it’s skill and fitness that matter.

Another change I’d like to see is possibly see Yasir Shah back or Kashif bhatti make his debut.

On to weak links I think shan masood needs to be dropped for the next game seeing as he’s just been average for so long with a 40/50 here and there and not converting those starts. We’ve got better openers in Imran butt or Sami Aslam who can’t really do any worse than him.

My playing XI for Karachi:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali (c)
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Fawad Alam
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Kashif Bhatti/Yasir Shah
9. Naseem Shah
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

👍
 
Will be dished out with the flattest of pitches in NSK.

No dount..that is the issue we need a win and i think its flattest wicket in the world..yasir will defo come in for sure..even going with three pacers might be crazy on that wicket

in an ideal world we should go with both kashig bhatti and yasir and 3 pacers but thats never going to happen
 
What would’ve changed in a week spending time in the NCA? He won’t have become warne overnight. Kashif Bhatti could debut might as well give a chance.

Yeah maybe Kashif.

I would still prefer to see the 4 pacers getting experience. That's invaluable on home soil. It will most likely be a draw.
 
At this time of the year, I expect there to be swing at the start of the day, which is why winning the toss might hold a significant advantage, as India had in that 2006 test match. However, they were denied by Kamran Akmal, who went on to score one of the greatest hundreds by a Pakistani batsman in test cricket to seal a victory for his side well against the odds at 39/6.

Once the new ball phase is over, scoring runs becomes relatively easy. It's vital Pakistan plays at least one spinner and there certainly is a case for two spinners, given how flat NSK has been throughout its history.
 
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If the pitch is pacer friendly, then they can go ahead with the bold decision of playing 4 pacers.

Yasir is trash anyway nowadays.

Very very exciting times these, seeing an all-pace young attack working in tandem and gaining invaluable experience.

Super glad we've taken the approach of developing players.

Regardless, Yasir might just sneak in if Mushtaq endorses. That won't be a terrible decision either.
You’ve taken the path of developing young players?

Five of your six batsmen are over 30.

The reserve batsman is 34.

Sami Aslam and Imran Butt are both 24 and just both scored over 850 runs in the domestic season and can’t even get into the squad.

Promising youngsters are not being developed at all because four men in their thirties who average 26, 37, 36 and 32 these last two years are being retained in a Free From Merit process.
 
If the pitch is pacer friendly, then they can go ahead with the bold decision of playing 4 pacers.

Yasir is trash anyway nowadays.

Very very exciting times these, seeing an all-pace young attack working in tandem and gaining invaluable experience.

Super glad we've taken the approach of developing players.

Regardless, Yasir might just sneak in if Mushtaq endorses. That won't be a terrible decision either.

More about the absurd claim to be developing youngsters.

Misbah dropped the incumbent Test spinner who was 21, and took 4-80 and scored 47 not out and 5 in the previous Test.

He replaced him with a 33 year old who as usual averaged 100 away.

And he selected an uncapped 33 year old as the reserve spinner. Even though in domestic cricket he was doing worse than 25 year old Zafar or 21 year old Asghar.

Developing young players?

By replacing them with old men!
 
Azhar needs to open, Fawad in for Shan.

Also pakistan need to look at playing a frontline spinner and just 3 seamers.

Abbas or shinwari making way.
 
Don’t see them winning this Test. If they do I will happily cherish this miracle.
 
More about the absurd claim to be developing youngsters.

Misbah dropped the incumbent Test spinner who was 21, and took 4-80 and scored 47 not out and 5 in the previous Test.

He replaced him with a 33 year old who as usual averaged 100 away.

And he selected an uncapped 33 year old as the reserve spinner. Even though in domestic cricket he was doing worse than 25 year old Zafar or 21 year old Asghar.

Developing young players?

By replacing them with old men!

Please look at Shadab's recent photo's.

The guy is AT LEAST 28.

But yes, I agree with you.

Zafar should be in the test squad of every test tour in ASIA
 
I think after the success of Abid ali we must give Fawad Alam a chance as well. He’s proven that age is just a negligible factor and it’s skill and fitness that matter.

Another change I’d like to see is possibly see Yasir Shah back or Kashif bhatti make his debut.

On to weak links I think shan masood needs to be dropped for the next game seeing as he’s just been average for so long with a 40/50 here and there and not converting those starts. We’ve got better openers in Imran butt or Sami Aslam who can’t really do any worse than him.

My playing XI for Karachi:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali (c)
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Fawad Alam
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Kashif Bhatti/Yasir Shah
9. Naseem Shah
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

Good Team :sarf
 
just heard their best pacer has been ruled out..they only brought two pacers..surley we have three days..curators can borrow some grass and put it on karachi pitch ...
 
Shan
Abid
Asad Shafiq(stop hiding away, he needs to bat at 3)
Babar Azam
Fawad Alam
Haris Sohail
Rizwan
Yasir Shah
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem
 
Please look at Shadab's recent photo's.

The guy is AT LEAST 28.

But yes, I agree with you.

Zafar should be in the test squad of every test tour in ASIA

So on the other thread you mentioned Sami Aslam to be around 28 while now you are saying Shadab is atleast 28.

So you are claiming difference of 5 and 8 years, is there any source or proof you would like to share or we should just take your word because of your expertise of determining age through face?
 
So on the other thread you mentioned Sami Aslam to be around 28 while now you are saying Shadab is atleast 28.

So you are claiming difference of 5 and 8 years, is there any source or proof you would like to share or we should just take your word because of your expertise of determining age through face?

Sami Aslam isn't 24, looks like a rookie butcher from my local meat shop and he's about my age (in his late 20s).
 
Now this reminds me of a slightly colder winter morning in Karachi and coming out to bat in the sunshine.

Wonderful nostalgic feeling.
 
Sami Aslam isn't 24, looks like a rookie butcher from my local meat shop and he's about my age (in his late 20s).

Maybe he is but if we will have to use words like maybe or looks like than obviously its not something which can be proved and no point in circulating such things as we wont know how much is the exact difference.
 
I think after the success of Abid ali we must give Fawad Alam a chance as well. He’s proven that age is just a negligible factor and it’s skill and fitness that matter.

Another change I’d like to see is possibly see Yasir Shah back or Kashif bhatti make his debut.

On to weak links I think shan masood needs to be dropped for the next game seeing as he’s just been average for so long with a 40/50 here and there and not converting those starts. We’ve got better openers in Imran butt or Sami Aslam who can’t really do any worse than him.

My playing XI for Karachi:

1. Abid Ali
2. Azhar Ali (c)
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Fawad Alam
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Kashif Bhatti/Yasir Shah
9. Naseem Shah
10. Muhammad Abbas
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

Dropping your most consistent batsman ( after Babar ) in tough Australia tour for useless and failed Harris Sohail--- bravo.
 
Here's my 11
1-Shaan
2-Abid
3-Azhar ( with a heavy heart ) )
4-Babar
5-Fawad
6-Asad ( sadly )
7-Rizwan
8-Bhatti ( should have been Zafar Gohar )
9-Afridi
10-Naseem
11-Shinwar ( should have been Sameen )
 
At this time of the year, I expect there to be swing at the start of the day, which is why winning the toss might hold a significant advantage, as India had in that 2006 test match. However, they were denied by Kamran Akmal, who went on to score one of the greatest hundreds by a Pakistani batsman in test cricket to seal a victory for his side well against the odds at 39/6.

Once the new ball phase is over, scoring runs becomes relatively easy. It's vital Pakistan plays at least one spinner and there certainly is a case for two spinners, given how flat NSK has been throughout its history.

Most overrated innings you mean.

Like you said, after the new ball spell, it became extremely extremely easy to bat. So Kamran’s century only happened because the conditions were so good.

I don’t know why that innings is so hyped.
 
Dropping your most consistent batsman ( after Babar ) in tough Australia tour for useless and failed Harris Sohail--- bravo.

In comparison I'd rate Haris higher than Shan. Shan has had multiple chances. Oh bravo Shan you scored a high 30 and a 50, let me go get the gulab jamman for you to celebrate. Dude he's done nothing prior to that SA tour and his overall average is in the mid 20s.

"Consistent" don't make me laugh, he's consistently bad. How many 100s has he got? He's lucky he's still in the squad hope him and imam get booted next series.
 
Dropping your most consistent batsman ( after Babar ) in tough Australia tour for useless and failed Harris Sohail--- bravo.

Useless and failed Harris is million times the batsmen Shan can ever dream off.
 
Most overrated innings you mean.

Like you said, after the new ball spell, it became extremely extremely easy to bat. So Kamran’s century only happened because the conditions were so good.

I don’t know why that innings is so hyped.

Because they were 39 for 6.

How many teams do you think are able to recover from that position to add 200+ runs to the total? (and subsequently go on to win the match and thus the series).

Without that knock we would have lost that test series instead of actually winning it, so when you consider the enormity of the task and the occasion in which he delivered it, this hundred of his is undoubtedly one of the greatest test hundreds by a Pakistani batsman.

I am no Kamran Akmal fan as we all know he was a fixer, however that does not warrant anyone to take away the brilliance that we saw him deliver on Day 1 of the series decider.
 
Because they were 39 for 6.

How many teams do you think are able to recover from that position to add 200+ runs to the total? (and subsequently go on to win the match and thus the series).

Without that knock we would have lost that test series instead of actually winning it, so when you consider the enormity of the task and the occasion in which he delivered it, this hundred of his is undoubtedly one of the greatest test hundreds by a Pakistani batsman.

I am no Kamran Akmal fan as we all know he was a fixer, however that does not warrant anyone to take away the brilliance that we saw him deliver on Day 1 of the series decider.

Don’t want to derail the thread but I guess it is relevant as the match was in Karachi.

You are missing the point. In a normal situation, coming back from 39 for 6 would be immense and should rightly be lauded.

However you have to take into consideration the pitch and conditions.

After some early swing, the pitch became an absolute pancake. Over 1300 runs were scored in the match at wellll over 4 runs an over!

It was tricky to bat in the initial overs and then became extremely easy to score later on. Hence why the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Younis were outscored by Irfan Pathan (first innings) Faisal Iqbal, Yuvraj, Razzaq etc.

Even Shoaib Akhtar scored pretty much his highest ever test score batting with Kamran, highlighting how flat the pitch was once the ball became slightly older.

So just because he was lucky enough to come in lower down, does not mean we should hype up the innings.


Back to this match, if it follows a similar trend then it’s important we utilise the new ball and then have an economical spinner for the middle overs.
 
my team

Shan
abid
haris
babar
shafiq
fawad
rizwan
yasir
abbas
shaheen
naseem


whats the team going to be

shan
abid
azhar
babar
haris
shafiq
rizwan
yasir
imran
shaheen
naseem
 
Useless and failed Harris is million times the batsmen Shan can ever dream off.

Totally. No comparison between the caliber of both bastmen and FC averages also reflect that. Sample of 2-4 matches cant change the fact.
 
Actually.... Shan Masood become the New Imran Farhat....
In term of both batting and connection...
 
Totally. No comparison between the caliber of both bastmen and FC averages also reflect that. Sample of 2-4 matches cant change the fact.

As well as their test record, just because he failed in 1 game shan is better then him.
 
Pakistan need to leave some grass , and show positive intent to win games , rather than be happy with draws , this is Test Championship .
 
my team

Shan
abid
haris
babar
shafiq
fawad
rizwan
yasir
abbas
shaheen
naseem


whats the team going to be

shan
abid
azhar
babar
haris
shafiq
rizwan
yasir
imran
shaheen
naseem

Yea that's most likely going to be the team. Fawad may or may not be selected.
 
Don’t want to derail the thread but I guess it is relevant as the match was in Karachi.

You are missing the point. In a normal situation, coming back from 39 for 6 would be immense and should rightly be lauded.

However you have to take into consideration the pitch and conditions.

After some early swing, the pitch became an absolute pancake. Over 1300 runs were scored in the match at wellll over 4 runs an over!

It was tricky to bat in the initial overs and then became extremely easy to score later on. Hence why the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Younis were outscored by Irfan Pathan (first innings) Faisal Iqbal, Yuvraj, Razzaq etc.

Even Shoaib Akhtar scored pretty much his highest ever test score batting with Kamran, highlighting how flat the pitch was once the ball became slightly older.

So just because he was lucky enough to come in lower down, does not mean we should hype up the innings.


Back to this match, if it follows a similar trend then it’s important we utilise the new ball and then have an economical spinner for the middle overs.

Mate , if it got easy to bat on when Kami walked out why did the Indians only make 230 in the first innings??
Stop posting rubbish

That is right up there with greatest ever Pak hundreds
 
I don't see why they will drop Haris and I don't see why they will play Fawad but I want them to make this change at least.
 
Actually.... Shan Masood become the New Imran Farhat....
In term of both batting and connection...
Shan Masood averages 19.93 runs more per innings than the captain this year.

Batsman X averages 13.41 in 2019.
Batsman Y averages 33.33 in 2019.

Why is Shan Masood the one under threat?
 
Mate , if it got easy to bat on when Kami walked out why did the Indians only make 230 in the first innings??
Stop posting rubbish

That is right up there with greatest ever Pak hundreds

Because, mate, India didn’t start batting with the same ball that Pakistan were using.

In cricket you use a new ball every innings hence India found themselves 56-4... just to put that into context that is a top order of Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag and Tendulkar. As the ball got softer / older, batting again became easy like the first innings. Yuvraj and Ganguly batted with relative easy and put on an 80 run partnership before throwing their wickets away to harmless balls. Again if you watch the match instead of seeing the scorecard numbers you’ll see that.

Forget Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan batting at 10 scored more than the top three.

As the match wore on, the pitch became flatter and flatter.

I see [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] doesn’t have a reply again..
 
They need to get Fawad in for the last test. If they don't play him it would be unfair. All the media coverage and pressure made Misbah select him and if he don't play him it will show it was done to keep media and Fawad fans quite. And it won't be fair on Fawad too. He deserves a regular place for once now for few series.
 
They need to get Fawad in for the last test. If they don't play him it would be unfair. All the media coverage and pressure made Misbah select him and if he don't play him it will show it was done to keep media and Fawad fans quite. And it won't be fair on Fawad too. He deserves a regular place for once now for few series.

Misbah didn’t pick Fawad when he was 26-32. He’s not going to start now - it was just a squad call-up to placate public opinion.
 
They need to get Fawad in for the last test. If they don't play him it would be unfair. All the media coverage and pressure made Misbah select him and if he don't play him it will show it was done to keep media and Fawad fans quite. And it won't be fair on Fawad too. He deserves a regular place for once now for few series.

According to sources he will play and most likely will be Bangladesh series, most likely will miss out on the next test. Misbah can’t unjustly drop him without playing him and he will be forced to come next series. Don’t know whether azhar goes as well, he’s not even leading the team.
 
Useless and failed Harris is million times the batsmen Shan can ever dream off.

That's when you throw cricketing sense out of window and emotions take over. Yeah, a useless guy with pathetic performance in just concluded tour downunder is million time better than a batsman who actually performed and was 2nd best after Babar in Australia.
 
One of Harris / Shaan Masood has to be dropped to make way for Fawad in playing XI. It will be a travesty not to give him an opportunity at his home ground.
 
The pitch should be to our strengths, which is pace bowling. Put some live grass on the pitch. We don't have a good spinner in the squad, but a decent pace attack who will get better every game. Pace on the wicket will also suit our batsmen.

The same team should be kept, maybe one of Shinwari or Abbas could make way for Yasir or Bhatti depending on conditions.
 
Pictures (courtesy of the PCB) of the Pakistan and Sri Lanka squads arriving at the NSK for practice ahead of 2nd Test match

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Imam ul haq
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali (c)
Babar Azam
Fawad Alam
Asad Shafique
Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
Yasir shah (deserve to play home test)
Usman khan shinwari
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem shah
 
Videos from training.

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If I don’t see Fawad Alam in the playing 11 I will be very disappointed.
 
Because, mate, India didn’t start batting with the same ball that Pakistan were using.

In cricket you use a new ball every innings hence India found themselves 56-4... just to put that into context that is a top order of Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag and Tendulkar. As the ball got softer / older, batting again became easy like the first innings. Yuvraj and Ganguly batted with relative easy and put on an 80 run partnership before throwing their wickets away to harmless balls. Again if you watch the match instead of seeing the scorecard numbers you’ll see that.

Forget Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan batting at 10 scored more than the top three.

As the match wore on, the pitch became flatter and flatter.

I see [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] doesn’t have a reply again..

You are still incorrect.
Pak had lost 6 wickets in the first 10 overs of their innings
India had lost 2 wickets in their first 10 overs
India batted when the pitch was easier to bat on relative to the Pakistan first innings also

Explain that to me?
 
That's when you throw cricketing sense out of window and emotions take over. Yeah, a useless guy with pathetic performance in just concluded tour downunder is million time better than a batsman who actually performed and was 2nd best after Babar in Australia.

In away series shan has been impressive but prior to the South Africa series what was his performance? He’s never converted his starts apart from once against SL in Palakelle. I think in the Bangladesh series you can rest him as oppose to drop him by exploring other options in Imran Butt and Sami Aslam.
 
You are still incorrect.
Pak had lost 6 wickets in the first 10 overs of their innings
India had lost 2 wickets in their first 10 overs
India batted when the pitch was easier to bat on relative to the Pakistan first innings also

Explain that to me?

Allow me to explain.

Pakistan lost 6 wickets in 10.3 overs, India lost 4 wickets in 12.4 overs.

Why would you use 10 overs exactly as an arbitrary cut off? Clearly in the first 10-15 overs the ball was swinging and difficult to bat. However once the ball got older, it became ridiculously easy.

Look at the scoring rate, look at the tail Enders hitting Asif and Akhtar around without trouble.

So you explain that to me?
 
Allow me to explain.

Pakistan lost 6 wickets in 10.3 overs, India lost 4 wickets in 12.4 overs.

Why would you use 10 overs exactly as an arbitrary cut off? Clearly in the first 10-15 overs the ball was swinging and difficult to bat. However once the ball got older, it became ridiculously easy.

Look at the scoring rate, look at the tail Enders hitting Asif and Akhtar around without trouble.

So you explain that to me?
Ok. shall we us the cut of for the point where Kamran came to the crease??

Also Was it easier to bat in first innings of the game or 2nd innings of the game?
 
I really hope Shan finally gets dropped and Fawad gets a much deserved chance.

Abid
Azhar
Haris
Babar
Fawad
Asad
Rizwan
Yasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas/Usman
 
Ok. shall we us the cut of for the point where Kamran came to the crease??

Also Was it easier to bat in first innings of the game or 2nd innings of the game?

There doesn’t need to be an exact cutoff point. Every innings will be different depending the exact usage of the ball, boundaries hit etc. You don’t seem to have understood the point I have made that once the ball got slightly older around the 10-15 over mark, the swing basically went and due to the very very flat nature of the pitch, it became easy to bat.

Perhaps you could argue that Kamran came in during the 11th over and so should be given credit for negotiating a few tough overs. But to call the whole innings ‘one of the best ever’ etc is the most ridiculous claim.

And not one fan ever seems to be able to back it up.

Both the innings were equally easy to bat once the new ball was negated because the Karachi pitch was an absolute road.
 
There doesn’t need to be an exact cutoff point. Every innings will be different depending the exact usage of the ball, boundaries hit etc. You don’t seem to have understood the point I have made that once the ball got slightly older around the 10-15 over mark, the swing basically went and due to the very very flat nature of the pitch, it became easy to bat.

Perhaps you could argue that Kamran came in during the 11th over and so should be given credit for negotiating a few tough overs. But to call the whole innings ‘one of the best ever’ etc is the most ridiculous claim.

And not one fan ever seems to be able to back it up.

Both the innings were equally easy to bat once the new ball was negated because the Karachi pitch was an absolute road.

I don't know if I would call it 'one the the best innings ever' - but it is certainly one of the more memorable knocks by a Pakistani batsmen in the last 20 years or so - perhaps that is what Abdullah is trying to say.

Consider the opposition, the early collapse, and the overall stakes - this is definitely among the memorable knocks
 
I really hope Shan finally gets dropped and Fawad gets a much deserved chance.

Abid
Azhar
Haris
Babar
Fawad
Asad
Rizwan
Yasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas/Usman

Doubtful he'll get a chance in Karachi but next series he will and no he will not be unjustly dropped from the squad for not playing. Had Haris batted and failed he would've played, but selectors are saying Fawad needs to be played. I'm one of the guys who's itching to see him play even watching his nets session he looked good, fact is Karachi is his baby and he's just been stacking runs in Karachi during QeA. It's silly to not thrive off of someone's form.

I think a couple of people plus me say drop Shan but i don't think they will drop him as he's come off passable performances in SA and Aus. However, i will say you have to and must play him against Bangladesh.
 
I don't know if I would call it 'one the the best innings ever' - but it is certainly one of the more memorable knocks by a Pakistani batsmen in the last 20 years or so - perhaps that is what Abdullah is trying to say.

Consider the opposition, the early collapse, and the overall stakes - this is definitely among the memorable knocks

At least three times in this thread alone it’s been called one of the greatest test hundreds by a Pakistani batsman.

I agree the context made it a very good innings, just like Fakhar’s CT final innings. But people often look back on it, as if it was a minefield and kami was this amazing batsman who was able to counteract the conditions etc.

He played well under pressure and helped us win the series. The highlight of an otherwise terrible international career.
 
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