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Pakistani batsmen who have averaged more in ODIs than in List A matches

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Are there any such Pakistani batsmen who have averaged more in ODIs than List A domestic matches? If yes please name them.
 
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Saeed Anwar
Majid Khan
Yasir Hameed
Sarfaraz Ahmed
 
anonymous_guy said:
Do a simple substraction.

List A record (which contains both list A and ODI record on cricinfo) - ODI record.

You will get the result.
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It's not that simple. Average is skewed by number of not outs as well. Cannot just subtract runs and innings of ODI and divide the remainders to get averages. That way you assume that batsman has been dismissed in every innings he batted in.
 
Syed1 said:
How do you separate ODIs from List A record on cricinfo?
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List A minus odi.
Just by looking at it if List A is lower than ODI, that means the List A - odi is actually even lower than the list A currently stands. Make sense?
 
Abdullah said:
List A minus odi.
Just by looking at it if List A is lower than ODI, that means the List A - odi is actually even lower than the lost A currently stands. Make sense?
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Read post number 8.


It's not a simple subtraction.
 
Syed1 said:
It's not that simple. Average is skewed by number of not outs as well. Cannot just subtract runs and innings of ODI and divide the remainders to get averages. That way you assume that batsman has been dismissed in every innings he batted in.
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Runs in List A - Runs in ODIs / (Inns in List A - Inns in ODIs - N/O in List A + N/O in ODIs)

That should be correct.
 
Nope..


If a player has played 3 matches and scored (20, 20, 20*)

His average will be (20+20)/2 + 20 = 40


What you are doing is not separating the runs scored while remaining not out.
 
Syed1 said:
Nope..


If a player has played 3 matches and scored (20, 20, 20*)

His average will be (20+20)/2 + 20 = 40


What you are doing is not separating the runs scored while remaining not out.
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A player does not average 40 if he scored 60 runs in 3 matches with one not out. :danish

This is how overall averages are calculated: Runs/(Inns-NOs)

20, 20, 20* is 60 runs at an average of 30.
 
Abdullah719 said:
A player does not average 40 if he scored 60 runs in 3 matches with one not out. :danish

This is how overall averages are calculated: Runs/(Inns-NOs)

20, 20, 20* is 60 runs at an average of 30.
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:facepalm:


So in your opinion 20 and 20 (not out) are the same????



That is INCORRECT
 
Oops my bad... I read your post incorrectly. I thought you said average of 20.


Actually average of 30 is correct
 
Syed1 said:
:facepalm:


So in your opinion 20 and 20 (not out) are the same????



That is INCORRECT
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My opinion does not formulate statistics :))

Take Azhar Ali in ODIs as an example.

Innings played: 50
Not outs: 3
Runs: 1833
Average: 39

How do you get to 39? 1833/(50-3)

Basically - Runs/Number of innings (discounting not outs).
 
Average = Runs scored/(count of innings played - count of innings not out).

If a player has 10 innings of 58, 48, 23, 35, 29*, 119, 0, 38, 10 & 91* with bold 5 in ODI, and next 5 in Domestics, his -

List A Average = 56.38 [451/(10-2)]
ODI Average = 48.25 [193/(5-1)]
Domestic Average = 64.50 [(451 - 193) / ((10-5)- (2-1))]
 
Abdullah719 said:
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Saeed Anwar
Majid Khan
Yasir Hameed
Sarfaraz Ahmed
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So basically lot of players have done this before. So why there is hue and cry against the selection of Imam-ul-Haq?
 
srh said:
So basically lot of players have done this before. So why there is hue and cry against the selection of Imam-ul-Haq?
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Let me clarify that most of these players have done better in ODIs than List A by fairly small margins. There aren't huge difference for most of them. A similar outcome would be Imam's 35/73 becoming 40/78 type stats which leaves the SR well below the standard for this era. Though better than Shehzad of course.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Let me clarify that most of these players have done better in ODIs than List A by fairly small margins. There aren't huge difference for most of them. A similar outcome would be Imam's 35/73 becoming 40/78 type stats which leaves the SR well below the standard for this era. Though better than Shehzad of course.
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Imam's sample size is very small though and he is still young, so he could improve his stats by a bigger margin.
 
Kashmiri_Pak_fan said:
Does first class and T20 record also contains Tests and international t20's? say on cricinfo
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FC = Test matches, approved (by ICC & respective boards) 4 innings matches, any 4 innings match played under ICC playing rules (11 vs 11), where at the start of the match all 22 players have played at least 1 FC match and the match is officiated by 2 umpires assigned/facilitated by respective cricket board.

List A = ODI, approved (by ICC & respective boards) limited over 2 innings matches, any suchmatch played under ICC playing rules (11 vs 11), where at the start of the match all 22 players have played at least 1 List A match and the match is officiated by 2 umpires assigned/facilitated by respective cricket board.

T20 = Not sure. Internationals are called T20I; but at what level it's still T20 I am not sure.
 
MMHS said:
FC = Test matches, approved (by ICC & respective boards) 4 innings matches, any 4 innings match played under ICC playing rules (11 vs 11), where at the start of the match all 22 players have played at least 1 FC match and the match is officiated by 2 umpires assigned/facilitated by respective cricket board.
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That's interesting. Does that mean that a domestic 4-day match is not classified as a First-class match if one or more of the players is making his debut?
 
shane said:
That's interesting. Does that mean that a domestic 4-day match is not classified as a First-class match if one or more of the players is making his debut?
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You missed the comma - there are 3 classifications (There can be more, I can't recall now).

For a QEA Trophy match, it's FC status even if 22 players are debuting; while a Patron's trophy match isn't FC status because it's not given the status prior to the game. Similarly, a Board President XI vs a touring side is FC status, even if some players are debuting - as long as the game is played within cricket rules (not like those practice matches where all 15/16 plays, 11 to bowl & 11 to bat).

The 3rd type is rare these days, because more and more FC matches are reducing. But in olden days, there were many such matches arranged where 2 team's play a game of 4 innings cricket under ICC rules (and registered umpires), like - Professionals vs Gentleman, Susex XI vs Kent XI; East vs West; Parsis vs Hindus, Punjabi vs Sindhi; Eaton alumni vs Harrow alumni ...... . The World XI Vs ENG (1970) & AUS (1971) matches are considered as FC, BUT, Packer's WSC isn't considered because the Umpires were not facilitated by ACB (though they were registered FC Umpires).
 
Abdullah719 said:
Let me clarify that most of these players have done better in ODIs than List A by fairly small margins. There aren't huge difference for most of them. A similar outcome would be Imam's 35/73 becoming 40/78 type stats which leaves the SR well below the standard for this era. Though better than Shehzad of course.
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shehzads list A(minus odis) Sr is 93 and average of 54. outstanding , isnt it.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Yeah but then again Shafiq is even better IIRC. And then you compare that to their ODI output.... :afaq
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Amazing , arent they? Guys like khalid latif , shafiq , azhar ali and khurram manzoors are statistical gods when it comes to domestic list A.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Amazing , arent they? Guys like khalid latif , shafiq , azhar ali and khurram manzoors are statistical gods when it comes to domestic list A.
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Even Faisal Iqbal, Iftikhar Ahmed and Shan Masood average around 43 in List A cricket. :danish

Highest List A (including ODI) averages for Pakistanis:

Babar Azam 53.04
Saleem Elahi 52.30
Khurram Manzoor 50.59
Fakhar Zaman 49.49
Sami Aslam 48.50
Fawad Alam 48.05
Azhar Ali 48.03
Misbah-ul-Haq 47.42
Khalid Latif 47.06
Saleem Mughal 45.41
Akbar-ur-Rehman 44.83
Usman Salahuddin 44.39
Bazid Khan 44.25
Salman Butt 44.11
Asif Zakir 43.98
Saeed Bin Nasir 43.60
Ali Naqvi 43.26
Faisal Iqbal 43.08
Iftikhar Ahmed 42.80
Shan Masood 42.71
Javed Miandad 42.60
Saeed Anwar jnr 42.08
 
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