Pakistani media claims no casualties, Indian media claims 300 terrorists killed. Who do YOU believe?

[Mamoon]

You can walk from the area invaded right to Srinigar in less than 2 days. Any nation which borders another can violate airspace if it's a hit and run tactic. This is cowardly and embarrasing by Indians, so no need for Pakistan to get too angry. Bottom line is so far it's Indians who are dying.

mamoon the attack didn't take place in balakot, it took place in bala kote.

I also got confused. Apparently the latter is located in kashmir near the LOC.

Okay, but that is not relevant anyway. Our airspace was invaded, and that is all that matters.

It’s not as if we would have shot the planes down had the entered Balakot.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Apologies for the double quotes.
[MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION]

The time for pacifism is over. I believe that Pakistan must give a befitting response. We are simply inviting trouble if we don’t act.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan is an incompetent country, but our military/intelligence is not.

An institution that has grabbed a country by its balls for 72 years and were able to protect the most wanted terrorist in the world is far from weak.

We cannot fight beat India in an outright war, but it is not David vs Goliath either. If both countries use their full capacity, Pakistan may be wiped out, but India will also be hurt very badly.

Both nations and the rest of the world would turn into a hell on earth in any nuclear exchange.

Indian soldiers are dying, Pakistan is doing it's bit to show even as a much smaller power, it has the bigger plumbs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Apologies for the double quotes.

[MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION]

The time for pacifism is over. I believe that Pakistan must give a befitting response. We are simply inviting trouble if we don’t act.

Will agree with you there. War is never a good option for Pakistan, but when you are under attack you aren't left with much option.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Will agree with you there. War is never a good option for Pakistan, but when you are under attack you aren't left with much option.

I don't think any Pakistani here really wants war or wants people to lose their lives for the silly politics of dumb politicians.

But India has violated the international boundary. Sorry, whichever way you look at it, we all want to see Pakistan respond aggressively to this endeavour. India initiated it.

 

[PakPremi]

If this entry was such a success for India then they would not have to resort to lies such as killing 350 terrorists. Lol
All Modi has done is refuel Pak support for Kaahmiri freedom fighters, now there would be more attacks in India and IOK.

 

[Snowflake]

Most people think that international boarders are some sort of invisible shields that cannot/should not be penetrated by the enemy even by an inch. Unfortunately, that is not the case. When two hostile neighbors share international borders, a hit and run is very much possible. Yes, a highly developed country like the US/Israel would be better prepared to thwart any violations of its border, but even for them, to ensure no crossing at all would likely be impossible.

With that said, I do think the Indian jets went deeper than they should have been allowed. I base my judgement off of the unclear statement by the DG ISPR where they didn't clarify which Balakot was hit.

Either way, I do think a response is necessary.

 

[Snowflake]

Oh and yes, 300+ terrorists? That's hogwash.

 

[Civil]

Surely India would have captured video surveillance and have exact coordinates of the sites they hit? Why not just share them?

I see some indians are making a big deal about them "crossing into air space" as a knock on Pakistan. But you can't conflate stepping into air space and hastily retreating as the equivalent to 300 killed by 1000 kg bomb.

Everyhting about this airstrike has been from unofficial anonymous sources. In the first sirji Kal strike they learned their lesson on how foolish it looks for military to make these claims so this time they just let their jingo media handle it . And kept their official statement vague.

 

[PakPremi]

Oh and yes, 300+ terrorists? That's hogwash.

ABP News also claiming planes went 80km inside Pakistan and for 21 mins whilst PAF were sleeping. 21 mins of plane flying and bombing and Pak army were sleeping lol.
As I said if their mission was successful then they would not need to make up stories.

 

[Snowflake]

India had two options:

1) Carry out an actual airstrike at real targets inside the Pakistan territory and avenge Pulwama while risking major escalation and a potential war with Pakistan.

2) Stage something similar to surgical strikes (violation of LoC/air space) but with highly exaggerated claims (Indian posters, please read the BBC investigation on this), let the media go crazy and have the people lap it up like last time. This option would not risk any retaliation from Pakistan as there will be no loss of life and damage to property. Yes, there would be airspace violation but that's hardly a reason to trigger a full scale war.


As an Indian leader, which option would you choose?

 

[JaDed]

I don't know I don't follow IAF but that's the number I see being thrown around and if it is just a media claim I don't think majority of Indians are able to think critically on such issues and they will just eat it up. Hence my effort to counter the narrative.

Anyways JeM have now officially released an audio tape, of not some random fighter, but the younger brother of Massod Azahr himself denying any type of material or human loses. The tape is released from the same media channel from which they claimed the responsibility of Pulwama attack and from where they usually release the pictures of their "martyrs" killed in encounters with Indian forces. So the question is whether Indians have the critical ability to wonder if somewhere along the narrative they are being fed big doses of lies. And whether these lies contribute or prevent peace efforts in the region.

Don't see any link but saw this post [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[Bilal7]

Don't see any link but saw this post [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Thanks. This just confirms that nothing but trees were killed in these strikes. The IAF is looking like a joke right about now and I hope this means that Modi will lose the elections too.

Someone get India's opposition party on the case so that democracy can work its magic.

 

[JaDed]

Thanks. This just confirms that nothing but trees were killed in these strikes. The IAF is looking like a joke right about now and I hope this means that Modi will lose the elections too.

Someone get India's opposition party on the case so that democracy can work its magic.

I hope you realize I'm biased towards IAF and India, so will wait for their statements, irrespective of the situation wasn't going to vote for BJP who have negligible presence in my state anyway but right now backing Indian defense forces obviously!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hope you realize I'm biased towards IAF and India, so will wait for their statements, irrespective of the situation wasn't going to vote for BJP who have negligible presence in my state anyway but right now backing Indian defense forces obviously!

United Nations Military Observers will soon arrive to confirm if trees were murdered or people in camps. I hope you believe them over Indias official position.

 

[JaDed]

United Nations Military Observers will soon arrive to confirm if trees were murdered or people in camps. I hope you believe them over Indias official position.

No offense maybe within 2-3 hrs..after 24-36 hrs anything can be done and UN can release statement like 'right now nothing is tehre'

 

[Syed1]

No offense maybe within 2-3 hrs..after 24-36 hrs anything can be done and UN can release statement like 'right now nothing is tehre'

How can you magically remove destroyed building structures?

 

[JaDed]

How can you magically remove destroyed building structures?

China is your best friend but irrespective lets wait for UN to go such a location right now..

 

[Bilal7]

No offense maybe within 2-3 hrs..after 24-36 hrs anything can be done and UN can release statement like 'right now nothing is tehre'

You know what? The PAK army just killed 1000 Hindutva goons in various locations around India. Any evidence was obviously mopped up but I promise, we did it!

#PakistanZindabad #SurgicalStrike3

 

[JaDed]

You know what? The PAK army just killed 1000 Hindutva goons in various locations around India. Any evidence was obviously mopped up but I promise, we did it!

#PakistanZindabad #SurgicalStrike3

Ok..

 

[KingKhanWC]

No offense maybe within 2-3 hrs..after 24-36 hrs anything can be done and UN can release statement like 'right now nothing is tehre'

These are experts not entertainers, they have special training in many areas inc finding out which party breached a ceasefire first. They will use all the latest technology and tools to determine if bombs were dropped, how many, on whom and the damage done.

But use some basic common sense. Do you really think after what happened Pakistan would allow a large training camp housing hundreds not far from the border?

I know you have to be patriotic but dont leave yourself open to a lifetime of ridicule once the truth comes out.

 

[JaDed]

These are experts not entertainers, they have special training in many areas inc finding out which party breached a ceasefire first. They will use all the latest technology and tools to determine if bombs were dropped, how many, on whom and the damage done.

But use some basic common sense. Do you really think after what happened Pakistan would allow a large training camp housing hundreds not far from the border?

I know you have to be patriotic but dont leave yourself open to a lifetime of ridicule once the truth comes out.

Defn not stopped you from so relax..if you want to ridicule me go ahead...

 

[Oxfordchamp]

They will be releasing lat long coordinate s and satellite imagery before and after..US/Allies have been kept in loop before hand so their satellites were also actively focussed on area..

 

[rhony]

You missed the point of the thread, the OP asked us whether we believe rotten cheese was really thrown out or not. Therefore it makes sense to address that issue.

As for you entering the house there is no denying it. The house keeper himself admitted someone entered and then left. After that no resident of the house can claim anything else and so far no one is doing so.

The discussion about rotten cheese is still relevant because the residents of the house need to know whether besides entering the house anything else was stolen or not. When you wake up in the morning and see someone broke in your house you do an overall assessment and see if anything is missing and aren't content with just knowing someone broke in.

Beside another important thing to keep in mind: it's also the intruder who left a note behind claiming to have broken in the house but with good intention of cleaning up the fridge and getting rid of the rotten cheese. This claim too needs to be verified because in reality it might have been fresh cheese which the intruder stole and ran away. In other words if there actually was human loss we need to evaluate it since it might just be innocent civilians claimed to be terrorist by the aggressive intruder.

Even if there indeed was rotten cheese even then the house resident need to know since the person in charge of cleaning claimed everything in the fridge was clean. In other words Pakistani public isn't used to seeing JeM militants openly roaming around and holding training camps. If they indeed had such strong presence then it is as much as a shock for the Pakistani public as it is for the Indian and someone in Pakistan has to explain what was going on.

I know most naive indians imagine terrorist waking around freely on the streets of pakistan with AK-47 in their hands and the public just turning a blind eye on them but that's not the case. The people of Pakistan aren't pretending that the JeM terrorist camps don't exist, we genuinely don't know about their existence and that's where some evidence from Indian side could have come in handy to win us over.

Fair enough. No, there won't be any evidence from India. If there was, it would have been out already. Because, Indian public apparently don't need proof. Speculation and imagination is much more powerful than reality in the mids of people.

 

[Green Patriot]

No sane person can agree that India entered Pakistan,killed 300+ people and left within the space of 20 minutes leaving no sign of any casualties behind.

That's not even a good movie script tbh.

 

[cric_man]

They will be releasing lat long coordinate s and satellite imagery before and after..US/Allies have been kept in loop before hand so their satellites were also actively focussed on area..

waiting....... tick tock

 

[rhony]

At times like this, there is a lot of propaganda from both sides. At this point the established facts based on both sides are, India encroached Pak air space and bombed it. Pak went into J&K and bombed military installations, Pak shot down indian jet and captured an IAF commander.

India Bombing 300 terrorists, Pakistan shooting down 2nd IAF plane, Pak capturing 1 more IAF soldier, India shooting down Pak F16 don't have proof.

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks for the offer <br>But I've already seen plenty of credible reports on the ground (and there is also satellite imagery) that make quite clear that Indian claims of killing hundreds of terrorists-or even of destroying terrorist facilities-are spurious if not outright false. <a href="https://t.co/gOTVi1y1vp">https://t.co/gOTVi1y1vp</a></p>— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1101331506520305664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cric_man]

Did Balakot strikes do any damage? From neutral sources.


https://thewire.in/security/balakot-airstrikes-india-pakistan-satellite-images

https://medium.com/dfrlab/surgical-strike-in-pakistan-a-botched-operation-7f6cda834b24

 

[slipcatch]

At times like this, there is a lot of propaganda from both sides. At this point the established facts based on both sides are, India encroached Pak air space and bombed it. Pak went into J&K and bombed military installations, Pak shot down indian jet and captured an IAF commander.

India Bombing 300 terrorists, Pakistan shooting down 2nd IAF plane, Pak capturing 1 more IAF soldier, India shooting down Pak F16 don't have proof.

Difference is Pakistan has back tracked and corrected themselves whenever they were wrong with evidence.

You can't say the same about India.

 

[Madplayer]

Read the last paragraph.

 

[Technics 1210]

Whom to believe?

India? Or a country where the most dreaded terrorist in the world was enjoing an excellent life until we know what happened?

OBL allegedly confined to a house is what you define as enjoying an excellent life? I shudder to think what you would consider a struggle.

I suppose this is nothing compared to the leader of Saffron terrorism that is not only enjoying life, but power in India - Modi.

 

[Technics 1210]

Rahul Gandhi's photo with Pulwama suicide bomber - a fake

Indian media claimed congress was behind the attack, but turned out the photoshopped was exposed.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...lwama-suicide-bomber/articleshow/68013919.cms

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Read the last paragraph.

Pretty much how it played out, and that commentator certainly knew the Indian public would be easily duped. Sad really, that intelligent but cunning leaders will manipulate the emotions of their people this way.

 

[Madplayer]

Pretty much how it played out, and that commentator certainly knew the Indian public would be easily duped. Sad really, that intelligent but cunning leaders will manipulate the emotions of their people this way.

Exactly. It was like he predicted the future .

 

[hussain.r97]

This is what Pakistani media has to say about Indian media, can't stop laughing )

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PAKISTAN’S NEWS MEDIA IS FOREVER UNMATCHED LMAOOOOOOOO <a href="https://t.co/Ajjtut6ETo">pic.twitter.com/Ajjtut6ETo</a></p>— Narjis (@narjisfn) <a href="https://twitter.com/narjisfn/status/1101336422852759553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[sjahmed23]

Indian media makes Alex Jones look like a real reporter.

 

[Runner Up]

Wish we had Mobile phones during previous wars. Pakistan captured Indian pilot people were there who recorded and posted the video. India had no choice left but accept that their Mig has been shot down. No one knows what really happened in previous wars every one had to believe what Radio or newspapers reported. India is a liar they have no evidence of Balakot bombing it’s all propaganda.

 

[Civil]

Now that satellite imagery has been released and neutral sources have analyzed it and released several tweets and articles debunking these bombs hitting anything but trees I think it is safe to say you should have believed Pakistan ..case closed.

 

[MosheD]

300 killed terrorists is most definitely propaganda, a nation with so many satellites could present more proof than simply blurting out a random number.

Is it true that Pakistan Minister Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed mentions a madrassa being bombed with no casualties - apparently in a speech in parliament ?

 

[Hermoine Green]

300 killed terrorists is most definitely propaganda, a nation with so many satellites could present more proof than simply blurting out a random number.

Is it true that Pakistan Minister Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed mentions a madrassa being bombed with no casualties - apparently in a speech in parliament ?

NOPE. Mean while

MPs’ panel raises questions on Balakot

Members asks Foreign Secretary to scotch misinformation campaign, end speculation

The Centre must circulate evidence of the damage suffered by the Jaish-e Mohammad (JeM) camp in Balakot to the international community to end speculation in the international press about the number of casualties in the Indian Air Force attack, members of the Standing Committee on External Affairs said on Friday.

Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale and other senior officials of the External Affairs Ministry briefed the panel. Mr. Gokhale was meant to speak on the new government taking charge in Pakistan, but the briefing was largely centred on the Pulwama attack and its fallout.

The Foreign Secretary refused to give operational details about the air strikes of February 26, pleading that it did not fall under his domain. He also refused to answer questions on the number of possible casualties at the JeM camp, committee sources said.

The panel members hailed the strikes by the Indian Air Force but lamented that internationally India had not been given due credit.

“The international community is claiming that our strikes had no impact, the camps were already empty and no men were killed. They are trying to hide the glory of our armed forces. So we told the Foreign Secretary that this misinformation campaign needs to be combated by widely circulating the relevant evidence,” an Opposition leader, who attended the meeting, said.

The panel asked Mr. Gokhale to highlight the justification for the air strikes and the JeM’s role in spreading terror in India.

Mr. Gokhale assured the Committee that diplomatic overtures to the international community were still under way. Mr Gokhale, the sources said, also spoke on OIC support for India.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...le26412039.ece/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Pakistan vs India - Optics During War

India
Military Capability Display
Dated, incapable equipment. 2 planes destroyed. Helicopter down
Pilot captured
Enemy target missed despite 12 planes
No evidence available for destruction caused. Only claims.

War Time Communication
Confused communication. No leader. PM, FM, Defense Minister absent.
Media completely in the dark. Relying on sources with different claims. Low morale.
disjointd display by joint forces reps in press conference.

Political Leadership
Divided. Poor optics.
No Parliamentary session.
Opposition doubts intention behind war.
Ruling party leader admits war for vote.
No Focus on Main Issue: Kashmir

Media and Civil Society
Jingoistic, war mongering stance.
Unaware of ground realities. Putting forces in harm’s way.
Stifling reasonable voices in own society. Ready to brand own citizens including heroes as anti-national.

Pakistan
Military Capability Display
Battle ready equipment. Downed 2 enemy planes
No damage at all in high escalation situation
Controlled response to enemy aggression
Full evidence behind all claims to international media.

War Time Communication
Clear communication to nation from day 1. Army, political leadership on one page.
PM addressed nation twice. ISPR press conferences each day.

Political Leadership
Joint Parliamentary session with PM attending.
All political parties on one page.
Even opposition leaders facing charges backing PM.
Focus on main issue: Kashmir

Media and Civil Society
Composed. United. Asking for peace but ready for war.
Humorous. High spirited. Behind their government and the army.
Wiling to listen to all viewpoints.

 

[rhony]

Difference is Pakistan has back tracked and corrected themselves whenever they were wrong with evidence.

You can't say the same about India.

That's true. Indian media still claims there is proof but disclosure is apparently GOI's prerogative at this point. I'm thinking they are hoping for issue to die down slowly and people will forget about it. Real question is did Modi get any political capital from this? Did opposition shoot their own foot by blaming him when India as a whole was on the back foot thereby embarrassing the entire country? Interesting elections ahead.

 

[slipcatch]

That's true. Indian media still claims there is proof but disclosure is apparently GOI's prerogative at this point. I'm thinking they are hoping for issue to die down slowly and people will forget about it. Real question is did Modi get any political capital from this? Did opposition shoot their own foot by blaming him when India as a whole was on the back foot thereby embarrassing the entire country? Interesting elections ahead.

It won't die down.

Bhakths will be dancing in their lungi for years to come over claiming victory over Pakistan.

Modi has been successful in whatever he was set out to do

What is extremely sad that one of the most educated population of India turn out to be the one of the dumbest population of the world to fell for it.

 

[Sirris]

Indian official haven't been willing to give exact number of casualties hence it is pretry fair tonassume the number if 200 - 300 is a wild claim.

 

[Marikar]

I saw CNN quoting FIRSTPOST that there a terrorist facility has been hit with 30 or 35 casualties. Some writer was there on the panel speaking out she has eyewitness account to confirm at least 30 deaths. Not much is known then.
Even if this is true, claims of 300 still puts our media's credibility at stake. The damage is already done. I have decided not to believe a single source of information in either India or Pakistan. These journalists haven't got professional ethics at all.

Let peace a chance...I am with the gret Imran on this.

 

[cricket4all]

I wanted to share today my cousin saw everything in AJK as the fighter planes were near our house. He saw the Indian plane bought down into the hilly / mountain area.
I can also assure people there was definitely no 300 plus people killed as their would have been outcry. I can assure there is no terrorist camps in that area or anything like it.
I can also assure everyone that I have been all around AJK and nobody supports India for sure. Either an independent Kahsmiri or with Pakistan.
Relatives in IOK have told me about the problems they have, the restrictions, curfews etc because of India. Majority there definitely don’t want to be with India either.
I don’t expect Indians to believe any of this, offcourse they won’t but only believe the sensationalised, exaggerated ** by there media.
People can believe what they want but if you go and visit both sides of the loc you will see the ground reality, what people want etc and that’s definitely not in favour of the so called ‘largest democracy’.

 

[shaaik]

What Happened At Balakot? Unreleased Satellite Pics May Prove India's Case

India said it had carried out air strikes on a Jaish-e-Mohammed camp in Pakistan's Balakot, killing a "large number of terrorists" early
Five days after India announced it had crossed the Line of Control to bomb the main training camp of terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed in Balakot in Pakistan, the government has yet to release any images of what was hit. Opposition leaders like Mamata Banerjee have praised the Air Force's venture as heroic but have said that the government must explain, especially now that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman is safely home after spending two days in Pakistan's custody, some information of the Balakot strikes.

Satellite images of the strikes, which are being treated as highly confidential by government officials for now, are likely to reveal multiple impact points made by the Israeli bombs used by the Mirage fighters that crossed up to 20 km over the Line of Control at 3:30 am on February 26 in an operation that lasted approximately 19 minutes.

The target was six buildings in the Jaish terror base.

NDTV has learned that imagery acquired by the government from two different sources will likely establish that the Spice 2000 glide bombs hit five separate structures along a ridge-line to the west of the town of Bisian near Balakot in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

Small holes in the roofs of these structures indicate the point of entry of the Israeli-made bombs which are designed to penetrate buildings, bunkers or shelters before exploding inside. The Spice 2000 has been described as a "decapitating weapon", one designed to take out enemy leadership through precise strikes.

Some of the Spice 2000s used may not have brought down the entire structure that it hit.

As reported earlier by NDTV, a group of Indian Air Force Mirage 2000s made a ''shallow incursion'' across the line of control to reach an optimal launch point, where onboard systems electronically permitted the release of the Spice 2000 glide bombs.

The attack jets intruded between approximately 3 and 20 km across the Line of Control and flew individually to their launch point to prevent early detection by Pakistan radar. One of the French-designed Mirages returned without being able to launch its weapon because the onboard computer did not clear the release of the weapon.

After being dropped, the glide bombs coasted dozens of kilometres following pre-fed GPS coordinates. As they approached their targets, they "looked" for structures that matched pre-loaded intelligence imagery of the terror training camp. They then honed in on their assigned targets and struck.

A buildup of cloud cover over Balakot in the hours following the strikes meant that an Indian satellite was unable to collect high resolution imagery as it passed over the area later that morning.

Analysis of commercially available satellite imagery by the International Cyber Policy Centre in Australia has questioned the government's claim that the strikes on Balakot were successful. According to Nathan Ruser, the author of the report, "Satellite imagery, acquired by Planet Labs Inc. on the morning of February 27 and accessed by ASPI" calls the government of India's claim "into question".

"No evidence of damage to the facility or nearby areas is visible on the images," the report says. Mr Ruser also mentions that local media have published "multiple small craters in the vicinity" indicating that the IAF missed its targets.

Senior officials NDTV has spoken to have categorically denied that the Spice 2000 glide bombs missed. They say the craters being reported could be areas where terrorists from the camps train with Improvised Explosive Devices. They add that the Spice 2000 would not have left craters if they had struck these areas. Instead, they would have left mounds of earth since they are designed to penetrate their target before exploding underground.

NDTV has also been shown a non-classified satellite image of a target in the Indian Air Force's test range in the Pokhran desert once it was hit by a Spice 2000 bomb in September, 2016. The structure, shown and circled below, has a small hole on its roof, the entry point of the weapon. A similar point of entry will be visible, according to officials, in the satellite imagery of the Jaish-e-Mohammed camp.

Earlier today, in an article in The Print, the award-winning journalist Taha Siddiqui has reported the emergence of an audio recording on February 28, two days after the strikes, at an event of the Jaish-e-Mohammed in Peshawar. The group "goes on to acknowledge that Indian forces did carry out an airstrike and dropped bombs on their markaz (centre) in Balakot where he claims students were learning about the duty of jihad." The Jaish claims no one died in the attacks.

Francesca Marino, an independent journalist, who has reported extensively in Pakistan, has reported that "eyewitnesses present at the site of India's 26 February bomb strikes against a Jaish-e-Muhammad base say they saw up to 35 bodies being transported out of the site by ambulance hours after the attack."

These contradict several other reports including in The New York Times which said "The view that little had been damaged was supported by military analysts and two Western security officials, who said that any militant training areas at the site, in the Pakistani province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwha, had long since dispersed."

Earlier, government sources had told reporters that about 300 terrorists had likely been eliminated in the attack on the Jaish camp. However, in a joint press conference on February 28, Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor said it was premature to assess the damage and the number of casualties.

The delay in the release of evidence from satellite imagery is triggering intense speculation of what really transpired. Senior government sources have told NDTV that it was up to the government to decide when and whether to release any satellite images that may be available.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/wha...rove-indias-case-2002060?pfrom=home-topscroll

 

[Pakpak]

What Happened At Balakot? Unreleased Satellite Pics May Prove India's Case

India said it had carried out air strikes on a Jaish-e-Mohammed camp in Pakistan's Balakot, killing a "large number of terrorists" early
Five days after India announced it had crossed the Line of Control to bomb the main training camp of terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed in Balakot in Pakistan, the government has yet to release any images of what was hit. Opposition leaders like Mamata Banerjee have praised the Air Force's venture as heroic but have said that the government must explain, especially now that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman is safely home after spending two days in Pakistan's custody, some information of the Balakot strikes.

Satellite images of the strikes, which are being treated as highly confidential by government officials for now, are likely to reveal multiple impact points made by the Israeli bombs used by the Mirage fighters that crossed up to 20 km over the Line of Control at 3:30 am on February 26 in an operation that lasted approximately 19 minutes.

The target was six buildings in the Jaish terror base.

NDTV has learned that imagery acquired by the government from two different sources will likely establish that the Spice 2000 glide bombs hit five separate structures along a ridge-line to the west of the town of Bisian near Balakot in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

Small holes in the roofs of these structures indicate the point of entry of the Israeli-made bombs which are designed to penetrate buildings, bunkers or shelters before exploding inside. The Spice 2000 has been described as a "decapitating weapon", one designed to take out enemy leadership through precise strikes.

Some of the Spice 2000s used may not have brought down the entire structure that it hit.

As reported earlier by NDTV, a group of Indian Air Force Mirage 2000s made a ''shallow incursion'' across the line of control to reach an optimal launch point, where onboard systems electronically permitted the release of the Spice 2000 glide bombs.

The attack jets intruded between approximately 3 and 20 km across the Line of Control and flew individually to their launch point to prevent early detection by Pakistan radar. One of the French-designed Mirages returned without being able to launch its weapon because the onboard computer did not clear the release of the weapon.

After being dropped, the glide bombs coasted dozens of kilometres following pre-fed GPS coordinates. As they approached their targets, they "looked" for structures that matched pre-loaded intelligence imagery of the terror training camp. They then honed in on their assigned targets and struck.

A buildup of cloud cover over Balakot in the hours following the strikes meant that an Indian satellite was unable to collect high resolution imagery as it passed over the area later that morning.

Analysis of commercially available satellite imagery by the International Cyber Policy Centre in Australia has questioned the government's claim that the strikes on Balakot were successful. According to Nathan Ruser, the author of the report, "Satellite imagery, acquired by Planet Labs Inc. on the morning of February 27 and accessed by ASPI" calls the government of India's claim "into question".

"No evidence of damage to the facility or nearby areas is visible on the images," the report says. Mr Ruser also mentions that local media have published "multiple small craters in the vicinity" indicating that the IAF missed its targets.

Senior officials NDTV has spoken to have categorically denied that the Spice 2000 glide bombs missed. They say the craters being reported could be areas where terrorists from the camps train with Improvised Explosive Devices. They add that the Spice 2000 would not have left craters if they had struck these areas. Instead, they would have left mounds of earth since they are designed to penetrate their target before exploding underground.

NDTV has also been shown a non-classified satellite image of a target in the Indian Air Force's test range in the Pokhran desert once it was hit by a Spice 2000 bomb in September, 2016. The structure, shown and circled below, has a small hole on its roof, the entry point of the weapon. A similar point of entry will be visible, according to officials, in the satellite imagery of the Jaish-e-Mohammed camp.

Earlier today, in an article in The Print, the award-winning journalist Taha Siddiqui has reported the emergence of an audio recording on February 28, two days after the strikes, at an event of the Jaish-e-Mohammed in Peshawar. The group "goes on to acknowledge that Indian forces did carry out an airstrike and dropped bombs on their markaz (centre) in Balakot where he claims students were learning about the duty of jihad." The Jaish claims no one died in the attacks.

Francesca Marino, an independent journalist, who has reported extensively in Pakistan, has reported that "eyewitnesses present at the site of India's 26 February bomb strikes against a Jaish-e-Muhammad base say they saw up to 35 bodies being transported out of the site by ambulance hours after the attack."

These contradict several other reports including in The New York Times which said "The view that little had been damaged was supported by military analysts and two Western security officials, who said that any militant training areas at the site, in the Pakistani province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwha, had long since dispersed."

Earlier, government sources had told reporters that about 300 terrorists had likely been eliminated in the attack on the Jaish camp. However, in a joint press conference on February 28, Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor said it was premature to assess the damage and the number of casualties.

The delay in the release of evidence from satellite imagery is triggering intense speculation of what really transpired. Senior government sources have told NDTV that it was up to the government to decide when and whether to release any satellite images that may be available.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/wha...rove-indias-case-2002060?pfrom=home-topscroll

The comedy that keeps giving. I was listening to an American analyst on NDTV and she said Indians had even resorted to using images from PS4 war games.

 

[Bilal_103]

I am honestly amazed at all of this. I mean india just keeps getting deeper into their web of lies. Its just spiralling into absolute nonsense. I wonder what the Indian population is thinking? Surely someone must be wondering what is going on?

 

[Pete Rose]

Most of Indian media is just one giant bakht whatsapp group.

 

[IAJ]

I am honestly amazed at all of this. I mean india just keeps getting deeper into their web of lies. Its just spiralling into absolute nonsense. I wonder what the Indian population is thinking? Surely someone must be wondering what is going on?

Well to hide a lie, a thousand lies are needed, they have no other choice.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: NTRO surveillance of JeM Balakot camp in days leading up to air strike by IAF confirmed around 300 active mobile connections in facility <a href="https://t.co/uwyzd0qpHB">pic.twitter.com/uwyzd0qpHB</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1102557673076260866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Proof

 

[Darkrai]

India should never be trusted.

 

[Something]

No casualties in Balakot strike, concedes India

India Finally Admits No One Killed in Balakot Air Strikes

'Indian Air Force not in a position to count casualties,' air chief marshal says on Balakot air strike


India's Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa on Monday placed the onus of announcing the number of 'casualties' that resulted from an airstrike in Pakistan's Balakot on the BJP government, saying that the Indian Air Force (IAF) "cannot count how many people died".

India finally acknowledged that there were no casualties in the Balakot Air- Strikes. “The air strikes by Indian Air Force were just a warning,” said Union Minister Surinder Singh Ahluwalia in an interview with an Indian TV channel.

“Neither Prime Minister Narendra Modi nor any government spokesperson had given any figure on casualty of air strikes,” said Ahluwalia. “Rather, it was the Indian media and social media where the unconfirmed figures of terrorists killed were being calculated.”

Earlier, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley has said the Indian government would not share proof that “a very large number” of militants were reportedly killed in the Balakot air strikes on February 26.

 

[Syed1]

Even world is taking notice of India's fake news culture.

How can it be in "world's largest democracy" you can lie outright and no one can do anything about it. I remember Shahid Masood lied about something in his show and he spent like 2 months in jail. Allah ka shukar hai Pakistani media is centuries ahead of their Indian counterpart.

 

[MP2011]

More anti nationals found in India,

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sho...lakot-air-strike-2003526?pfrom=home-topscroll

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News agency ANI and multiple mainstream news outlets falsely claimed that an ex- Pakistani diplomat Zafar Hilaly has admitted to 300 deaths in the 2019 Balakot airstrike. | Swasti Chatterjee<a href="https://t.co/wcDR354ovz">https://t.co/wcDR354ovz</a></p>— The Wire (@thewire_in) <a href="https://twitter.com/thewire_in/status/1348497366966546435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The extraordinarily extent to which the Indian Govt has gone to cut, splice and edit the tape of my Hum TV appearance suggests their desperation to prove what they failed to do, namely, lend credence to Modi’s lies about Balacot and his farcical claims.</p>— Zafar Hilaly (@ZafarHilaly) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZafarHilaly/status/1348080293907980290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Times Of India has an item based on the cut, spliced and edited tape of my Hum TV talk. Lacking first hand proof re Balacot, Modi is desperate for 3rd party confirmation for his lies and, not finding any, is doing a terrible job making it up.</p>— Zafar Hilaly (@ZafarHilaly) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZafarHilaly/status/1348145354672394242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>