Pakistan's batting factory versus India's bowling factory

[Plumb]

Over the years comparison between Ind and Pak is about their batting vs bowling. This perception is quickly dying and the reality is Ind are now producing better fast bowlers than before But Does pakistan produce better batsmen than before or we have regressed?

Without going into details if you see upcoming Ind fast bowlers seems to be on track to make good fast bowlers.

On the Other hand instead of working on the weaker department(batting) not only we are unable to produce good batsmen, we are not able to produce great fast bowler. The last known greatest fast bowler from pakistan was Shoaib Akhtar.

I believe as a cricketing Nation lots need to be done at grass root level..

 

[PakLFC]

We have a batting nursery not a factory!

 

[alized]

Pakistan bowling falls behind Bangladesh and Afghanistan even

 

[the_outsider]

With the exception of Azhar, Pak hasn't produced a world class batsman since YK. And YK debuted in 2000. That is a cause for major concern. There was a time when Zaheer Abbas, Miandad, Anwar, Inzamam all played within a 20-years span.

 

[bujhee kom]

Pk is finished as a cricketing nation. The well has run dry.

 

[PakLFC]

With the exception of Azhar, Pak hasn't produced a world class batsman since YK. And YK debuted in 2000. That is a cause for major concern. There was a time when Zaheer Abbas, Miandad, Anwar, Inzamam all played within a 20-years span.

Azhar isn't world class either.

 

[moghul]

Pakistan bowling falls behind Bangladesh and Afghanistan even

Factory is closed for repair work.

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan's best young batsmen of the 2010s:

- Azhar Ali
- Asad Shafiq
- Babar Azam
- Haris Sohail
- Fakhar Zaman
- Imam ul Haq

India's best, young fast bowlers of the 2010s:

- Ishant Sharma
- Mohammad Shami
- Bhuvneshwar Kumar
- Jasprit Bumrah
- Umesh Yadav
- Khaleel Ahmed

I don't know about you guys but it looks pretty even to me.

 

[Bilal7]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

 

[Buffet]

Pk is finished as a cricketing nation. The well has run dry.

It's simply not possible for a cricket mad country with such a large population.

 

[Snow]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

Keep playing that till 2039

 

[AuxiliA]

Pakistan's best young batsmen of the 2010s:

- Azhar Ali
- Asad Shafiq
- Babar Azam
- Haris Sohail
- Fakhar Zaman
- Imam ul Haq

India's best, young fast bowlers of the 2010s:

- Ishant Sharma
- Mohammad Shami
- Bhuvneshwar Kumar
- Jasprit Bumrah
- Umesh Yadav
- Khaleel Ahmed

I don't know about you guys but it looks pretty even to me.

It won't look so even, if you add the Indian spinners, who by the way are also considered as bowlers.

 

[Bilal7]

It won't look so even, if you add the Indian spinners, who by the way are also considered as bowlers.

The discussion is about Pakistani batsmen and Indian fast bowlers. As for the spinners, Pakistan has done better than India has during the current decade.

Pakistani spinners:

- Saeed Ajmal
- Yasir Shah
- Shadab Khan
- Abdur Rehman

Indian spinners:

- Ravichandran Ashwin
- Ravindra Jadeja
- Kuldeep Yadav
- Chahal

 

[Dingolfy]

The discussion is about Pakistani batsmen and Indian fast bowlers. As for the spinners, Pakistan has done better than India has during the current decade.

Pakistani spinners:

- Saeed Ajmal
- Yasir Shah
- Shadab Khan
- Abdur Rehman

Indian spinners:

- Ravichandran Ashwin
- Ravindra Jadeja
- Kuldeep Yadav
- Chahal

Ajmal is an illegal chucker so doesnt count.Only good one in the list is Yasir Shah and Ashwin is better than him.Rest dont even deserve to be in the same ground as their Indian counterparts.

 

[Dingolfy]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

Who lost 5-0 against Nz and then got humiliated in Asia cup at their own home?

 

[Dingolfy]

Pakistan's best young batsmen of the 2010s:

- Azhar Ali
- Asad Shafiq
- Babar Azam
- Haris Sohail
- Fakhar Zaman
- Imam ul Haq

India's best, young fast bowlers of the 2010s:

- Ishant Sharma
- Mohammad Shami
- Bhuvneshwar Kumar
- Jasprit Bumrah
- Umesh Yadav
- Khaleel Ahmed

I don't know about you guys but it looks pretty even to me.

Only decent guy among your batsmen is Azhar Ali.Rest are all minnow bashers and tuk-tuks.Indian fast bowlers have the best bowling averages in the last three years.There is already a thread on that.Hardly any comparison.Your batting is actually at the lowest point now.

 

[alized]

Ajmal is an illegal chucker so doesnt count.Only good one in the list is Yasir Shah and Ashwin is better than him.Rest dont even deserve to be in the same ground as their Indian counterparts.

What about

*Muhammad Hafeez
*Zulfiqar Babar
*Raza Hasan
*Imad Wasim

All good spinners

 

[alized]

Only decent guy among your batsmen is Azhar Ali.Rest are all minnow bashers and tuk-tuks.Indian fast bowlers have the best bowling averages in the last three years.There is already a thread on that.Hardly any comparison.Your batting is actually at the lowest point now.

Imam ul Haq is a much better opener than every current day Indian Test opener besides Sharma

 

[Dingolfy]

Imam ul Haq is a much better opener than every current day Indian Test opener besides Sharma

Test opener? Lol.Dude, you guys lost to minnows SriLanka at your own home, that too by 2-0.If he was even half good as one of our Ranji openers, you would have won atleast one match.

 

[Dingolfy]

What about

*Muhammad Hafeez
*Zulfiqar Babar
*Raza Hasan
*Imad Wasim

All good spinners

Hafeez has not done anything with his legal action.And others are laughable.Compare what they have done against Kuldeep and Chahal.

 

[Dingolfy]

Test opener? Lol.Dude, you guys lost to minnows SriLanka at your own home, that too by 2-0.If he was even half good as one of our Ranji openers, you would have won atleast one match.

All he has is 74 against minnow Ireland.Even Jadeja would bat better than him.

 

[Zerotohero]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

Champions Trophy 2013 remind who ? But no one keeps playing that 2013 CT win but you keep on playing 2017 win.. But why..why why

 

[Rahul1]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

Keep clinging to that until 2117. It's hilarious for me.

 

[Zakaz]

Remind me, who won the 2017 Champions Trophy again?

PAKISTAN

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The discussion is about Pakistani batsmen and Indian fast bowlers. As for the spinners, Pakistan has done better than India has during the current decade.

Pakistani spinners:

- Saeed Ajmal
- Yasir Shah
- Shadab Khan
- Abdur Rehman

Indian spinners:

- Ravichandran Ashwin
- Ravindra Jadeja
- Kuldeep Yadav
- Chahal

How is shadab better than Kuldeep who is top ranked odi spinner.
And abdur rehman lol.

 

[BlackShadow]

Pakistan being minnow-level really makes Indians look better than they are.

 

[WengerOut]

Champions Trophy 2013 remind who ? But no one keeps playing that 2013 CT win but you keep on playing 2017 win.. But why..why why

For a guy who self admittedly is a test fanatic, he does care about a second rate ODI tournament. Wonder why

 

[Hasan123]

India are producing better bowlers than we are batsmen. Any decent batsmen we produce still has an issue that is technical,mental , or with consistency.

 

[alized]

Test opener? Lol.Dude, you guys lost to minnows SriLanka at your own home, that too by 2-0.If he was even half good as one of our Ranji openers, you would have won atleast one match.

Imam ul Haq wasn’t even playing in that Series. He’s done well in England and Ireland. Batting in summer overcast weather Ireland isn’t easy even though they are minnows.

 

[alized]

Hafeez has not done anything with his legal action.And others are laughable.Compare what they have done against Kuldeep and Chahal.

Hafeez has an imminent four-fer or fiver against SA next series. So far he’s been leagues ahead in economy rating after his new action.

 

[the_outsider]

Imam ul Haq wasn’t even playing in that Series. He’s done well in England and Ireland. Batting in summer overcast weather Ireland isn’t easy even though they are minnows.

Curious that you are making an excuse for Imam against IRE because of the conditions but Indian openers have been crucified by PP members recently even though conditions were even more extreme in England and the bowlers were Anderson and Broad...

 

[proud_pakistani]

Pakistan has produced decent batsmen for test cricket like Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq but fall behind in shorter formats of the game.

India on the other hand have good bowlers for ODI cricket as those bowlers know how to stick to a plan and bowl to their fields. I would say some of the Indian bowlers like Bumrah and Bhuvneshvar are very smart bowlers in that aspect. I am overall not too convinced by their bowling line up in Test cricket.

Perhaps this is the reason India has gone from strength to strength in ODIs and Pakistan has regressed in that format whereas Pakistan have been more comfortable with playing tests over the last decade especially under Misbah. Sarfraz and Mickey have tried to do better in ODIs and have improved the team in some ways but when Pakistan plays better other teams will also adapt the way India has and completely decimated Pakistan in the Asia Cup.

Overall in tests id say Pakistan has better batsmen than Indian fast bowlers and India has better fast bowlers than Pakistani batsmen in ODIs.

 

[Indiafan]

Pakistan has produced decent batsmen for test cricket like Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq but fall behind in shorter formats of the game.

India on the other hand have good bowlers for ODI cricket as those bowlers know how to stick to a plan and bowl to their fields. I would say some of the Indian bowlers like Bumrah and Bhuvneshvar are very smart bowlers in that aspect. I am overall not too convinced by their bowling line up in Test cricket.

Perhaps this is the reason India has gone from strength to strength in ODIs and Pakistan has regressed in that format whereas Pakistan have been more comfortable with playing tests over the last decade especially under Misbah. Sarfraz and Mickey have tried to do better in ODIs and have improved the team in some ways but when Pakistan plays better other teams will also adapt the way India has and completely decimated Pakistan in the Asia Cup.

Overall in tests id say Pakistan has better batsmen than Indian fast bowlers and India has better fast bowlers than Pakistani batsmen in ODIs.

Come on Shami has been brilliant in tests

 

[Indiafan]

Pakistan's best young batsmen of the 2010s:

- Azhar Ali
- Asad Shafiq
- Babar Azam
- Haris Sohail
- Fakhar Zaman
- Imam ul Haq

India's best, young fast bowlers of the 2010s:

- Ishant Sharma
- Mohammad Shami
- Bhuvneshwar Kumar
- Jasprit Bumrah
- Umesh Yadav
- Khaleel Ahmed

I don't know about you guys but it looks pretty even to me.

I think we are more excited about upcoming youngsters like Nagarkoti and Mavi who were bowling around 145 in U-19s

 

[alized]

Curious that you are making an excuse for Imam against IRE because of the conditions but Indian openers have been crucified by PP members recently even though conditions were even more extreme in England and the bowlers were Anderson and Broad...

Indian openers batted great. There’s no doubt about that. But the way Imam ul Haq (a debutant) helped Pakistan massively in 2 out of 3 matches is remarkable.

 

[Cricketlover11vns]

Last 10 years
Amir vs bumrah
Hassan vs khaleel
Junaid khan vs shami
Umar gul vs bhuvaneshwar
Wahab riaz vs ishant sharma
India do not look much far in terms of fast bowling

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So Hasnain is the new product from this Pakistani factory. One thing I like about Pakistani selectors is they are as quick as their fast bowlers when it comes to selecting them. First Shaheen and now Hasnain. We should also select guys like Nagarkotti and Mavi as soon as possible otherwise they will also become trundler like Munaf Patel.

 

[Rana]

So Hasnain is the new product from this Pakistani factory. One thing I like about Pakistani selectors is they are as quick as their fast bowlers when it comes to selecting them. First Shaheen and now Hasnain. We should also select guys like Nagarkotti and Mavi as soon as possible otherwise they will also become trundler like Munaf Patel.

They have a guy called Navdeep Saini also, I saw his videos on youtube and he cranks it up to 149 kmph. Should be checked out!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They have a guy called Navdeep Saini also, I saw his videos on youtube and he cranks it up to 149 kmph. Should be checked out!

We have 3-4 guys who can bowl fast but selectors will wait for them to turn 26 and gain as much experience as possible.

 

[Syed1]

So Hasnain is the new product from this Pakistani factory. One thing I like about Pakistani selectors is they are as quick as their fast bowlers when it comes to selecting them. First Shaheen and now Hasnain. We should also select guys like Nagarkotti and Mavi as soon as possible otherwise they will also become trundler like Munaf Patel.

Bhai selectors know if they are left in domestics too long then guys like Aquib will get to them. Classic case of Ghulam Mudassir who untill a couple of years ago was clocking 142-145kph, but was bit of a spray gun. Then Aquib did his magic on Mudassir who now struggles to bowl 130+ but hey atleast he is not spraying it around as much.


So the only reason we select them early is because the system will kill whatever talent they have rather than hone it.

 

[Rightarmfast]

They have a guy called Navdeep Saini also, I saw his videos on youtube and he cranks it up to 149 kmph. Should be checked out!

He clocked upto 153, more than once in Ranji in this season.

 

[troodon]

They have a guy called Navdeep Saini also, I saw his videos on youtube and he cranks it up to 149 kmph. Should be checked out!

He needs to wait for his turn. We have to give the likes of Thakur, Sran a fair run and see if they can become world beaters.

Probably in 4 years time, when Saini turns 30, we can give him a few chances and then discard him.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think Shaheen is a very exciting prospect for Pakistan, particularly, in limited overs, where he can produce really great outputs for his country.

 

[a_tahir]

Pakistan bowling falls behind Bangladesh and Afghanistan even

Lol.

Why r fans so impatient??

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I think Shaheen is a very exciting prospect for Pakistan, particularly, in limited overs, where he can produce really great outputs for his country.

Thanks to their selectors who sees a potential and back him in national side. If given similar oppurtunities, likes of Prithvi Shaw and Shubhman Gill would have been an asset for our world cup team by now like Shaheen is for Pak. But our selectors prefer Rayudu and 40 year old Dhoni

 

[TeymurBlake]

Hasnain caught the eye very quickly, I wish Musa and Ilyas do as well.

 

[saeed5646]

So Hasnain is the new product from this Pakistani factory. One thing I like about Pakistani selectors is they are as quick as their fast bowlers when it comes to selecting them. First Shaheen and now Hasnain. We should also select guys like Nagarkotti and Mavi as soon as possible otherwise they will also become trundler like Munaf Patel.

Husnain was initially not picked by any side.he was pick by one franchise due to injury to there player.It tells us about our domestic cricket and how much merit exist .

There are 2 more genuine fast bowlers who can also bowl 140+ .one is naseem shah who is injured while musa is playing psl .

 

[WengerOut]

Husnain was initially not picked by any side.he was pick by one franchise due to injury to there player.It tells us about our domestic cricket and how much merit exist .

There are 2 more genuine fast bowlers who can also bowl 140+ .one is naseem shah who is injured while musa is playing psl .

Lack of height might hinder the effectiveness of Musa, Nagarkoti and Mavi.

 

[DRsohail]

Lack of height might hinder the effectiveness of Musa, Nagarkoti and Mavi.

Thinking the same, he will struggle big times.

 

[DRsohail]

Last 10 years
Amir vs bumrah
Hassan vs khaleel
Junaid khan vs shami
Umar gul vs bhuvaneshwar
Wahab riaz vs ishant sharma
India do not look much far in terms of fast bowling

almost everyone of thus list is above pakistani counterparts. Skills and fitness wise India is far ahead.

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian bowling has surpassed Pakistan's batting now.

Miandad vs Bumrah
Inzamam vs Kapil
Younis vs Shami
Yousuf vs Zaheer

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lack of height might hinder the effectiveness of Musa, Nagarkoti and Mavi.

I agree. mavi though looks legit.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Prasidh Krishna, who also clocked 150 kph multiple times in the IPL, just got 2/7 off 6 overs in the first innings and 4/45 off 17.5 overs in the second innings in his return match from injury against Baroda. Definitely should play for India very soon.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Prasidh Krishna, who also clocked 150 kph multiple times in the IPL, just got 2/7 off 6 overs in the first innings and 4/45 off 17.5 overs in the second innings in his return match from injury against Baroda. Definitely should play for India very soon.

avesh khan too

 

[Arya]

Prasidh Krishna, who also clocked 150 kph multiple times in the IPL, just got 2/7 off 6 overs in the first innings and 4/45 off 17.5 overs in the second innings in his return match from injury against Baroda. Definitely should play for India very soon.

Just Googled him, his mannerism is remarkbly similar to Ishant, not as tall, but decent height.

I'll keep an eye at his progress, good prospect.

 

[shah_1]

White ball cricket Pakistan>>>>India
Red ball cricket India>>>>>>>>Pakistan

These are facts

 

[tyron_woodley]

White ball cricket Pakistan>>>>India
Red ball cricket India>>>>>>>>Pakistan

These are facts

red ball india >> pakistan

t20 india >> pakistan

odi cricket is even.

 

[Ab Fan]

Since it will be wrong to discuss on Bumrah's thread,

1)World class bowlers produced by India in last 50 years.

Kapil, Kumble, Bumrah, Shami, Srinath, Zaheer, Bedi, Ashwin, Ishant. 9

2)World class batsmen produced by Pakistan in last 50 years.

Miandad, Inzamam, Younis, Yousuf, Anwar, Zaheer, Misbah, Babar. 8

So, while Miandad was an ATG but overall they both are pretty comparable in their weaker suit.

 

[ManFan]

Pakistan’s future looks bright with 4 bowlers U25 who can bowl at or in excess of 150 kph.

Musa
Naseem
Hasnain
Shaheen

If they stay healthy, Pakistan can become a top 3 side in ODI and Tests in the next 5-7 years.

 

[hur rizvi]

Since it will be wrong to discuss on Bumrah's thread,

1)World class bowlers produced by India in last 50 years.

Kapil, Kumble, Bumrah, Shami, Srinath, Zaheer, Bedi, Ashwin, Ishant. 9

2)World class batsmen produced by Pakistan in last 50 years.

Miandad, Inzamam, Younis, Yousuf, Anwar, Zaheer, Misbah, Babar. 8

So, while Miandad was an ATG but overall they both are pretty comparable in their weaker suit.

Bumrah is literally 50 test wickets old. Let him perform for substantial amount of time before labeling him World class


Ishant is not world class at all. Maybe at this stage of his career but pretty average if you consider whole career.

Srinath was decent and Zaheer was bit better than Ishant

Other than Kapil and Shami, India haven’t produced any world class seamers

 

[hur rizvi]

Indian bowling has surpassed Pakistan's batting now.

Miandad vs Bumrah
Inzamam vs Kapil
Younis vs Shami
Yousuf vs Zaheer

Not so easy man

Miandad is a WC winner ATG with a career span of 20+ years. Bumrah got a lot to prove. Let him perform consistently in test cricket for a substantial amount of time. By this logic M. Asif would be a bigger Pakistan great than Miandad


Inzi vs Kapil is fair. Both would be similar level greats if we consider just inzi batting and Kapil bowling


Younus vs Shami again a pear shaped comparison. Younus had 30+ test hundreds and had a stellar test career. Shami is good but has only 175 wickets at 27.5 if he maintains this record with 300+ wickets we can count them equals


Yousuf v Zaheer. No comparison even though Yousuf was lesser than inzi, Miandad younus in tests. Zaheer was an average test bowler who had good last few years

 

[hitthestump]

Since it will be wrong to discuss on Bumrah's thread,

1)World class bowlers produced by India in last 50 years.

Kapil, Kumble, Bumrah, Shami, Srinath, Zaheer, Bedi, Ashwin, Ishant. 9

2)World class batsmen produced by Pakistan in last 50 years.

Miandad, Inzamam, Younis, Yousuf, Anwar, Zaheer, Misbah, Babar. 8

So, while Miandad was an ATG but overall they both are pretty comparable in their weaker suit.

Please reconsider how liberally you wish to throw around 'world class'. Being the best in your country is not how you qualify for this.

No matter how much you try - the fact is that India have never produced a single world class fast bowler in their history. Maybe in a 5+ years i could see Bumrah earning such a tag. But otherwise i find it borderline insane that you are trying to include Ishant and Zaheer within a group of Mcgrath, Lillee, Walsh, Wasim etc...these are world class fast bowlers, and the boys you've talked about are not close.

 

[ElRaja]

india have borne the fruit of being consistent in their selections, ishant was terrible for 50 odd tests, and then suddenly worked it out and has been a good bowler.

shami is a quality seamer, the fact that he average 21 in india is mind blowing, i think there were rumours about his age, but if hes truly 30 odd he will end up being indias second best test bowler.

bumrah is difficult to judge, he has that awkward zip and seam movement but one gets the feeling if his pace drops slightly, he becomes considerably less dangerous.

india are fortunate to have three on form pacers in their team, this is the best seam attack they have ever had, much like moyo, inzi and yk for pak in the mid 2000s, however that does not guarantee a continuing supply of bowlers.

if i was india i would build ever test attack around sharma and shami, and rotate a third seamer. keep bumrah fresh and have an avenue to develop new talent.

 

[sindhiboy]

india have borne the fruit of being consistent in their selections, ishant was terrible for 50 odd tests, and then suddenly worked it out and has been a good bowler.

shami is a quality seamer, the fact that he average 21 in india is mind blowing, i think there were rumours about his age, but if hes truly 30 odd he will end up being indias second best test bowler.

bumrah is difficult to judge, he has that awkward zip and seam movement but one gets the feeling if his pace drops slightly, he becomes considerably less dangerous.

india are fortunate to have three on form pacers in their team, this is the best seam attack they have ever had, much like moyo, inzi and yk for pak in the mid 2000s, however that does not guarantee a continuing supply of bowlers.

if i was india i would build ever test attack around sharma and shami, and rotate a third seamer. keep bumrah fresh and have an avenue to develop new talent.

It is crucial to for bumrah to rest. He cannot play every single limited overs game.

Bumrah should have skipped the t20s or odis vs nz. He would have ensured that he is at his 100% for tests

Same for Shami.

In 4 years time ishant and Shami will retire. So india have to groom younger fast bowlers

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah is literally 50 test wickets old. Let him perform for substantial amount of time before labeling him World class


Ishant is not world class at all. Maybe at this stage of his career but pretty average if you consider whole career.

Srinath was decent and Zaheer was bit better than Ishant

Other than Kapil and Shami, India haven’t produced any world class seamers

Oho, you didn't see but I also included Babar in it. So Bumrah being there is not unfair. Srinath and Zaheer led the Indian pace attack for years, Zaheer even won them a test series in England.

Their stats are a bit skewed due to lack of support but are certainly world class bowlers. The fact that I included Misbah and Yousuf(a 1 year peak player) and Anwar(4500 runs and more known for ODIs) in it, Srinath and Ishant certainly deserves it.

If we keep hard criteria of Kapil and Shami, then only Miandad, Inzamam and Younis are only world class batsmen Pakistan produced.

You keep calling Zaheer was good only in few years, what about Yousuf who was good for just one year. One of those players with the most misleading stats ever. Look at the averages in Australia, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka. Also, scored a lot of soft runs and boosted his runs on flat wickets of Pakistan those days. Saying that Yousuf was well ahead in batting to Zaheer in bowling is absurd.

Statistically, even Ash averages 25. I don't rate him as highly though.

 

[Ab Fan]

Please reconsider how liberally you wish to throw around 'world class'. Being the best in your country is not how you qualify for this.

No matter how much you try - the fact is that India have never produced a single world class fast bowler in their history. Maybe in a 5+ years i could see Bumrah earning such a tag. But otherwise i find it borderline insane that you are trying to include Ishant and Zaheer within a group of Mcgrath, Lillee, Walsh, Wasim etc...these are world class fast bowlers, and the boys you've talked about are not close.

Okay. I said World class only. The people you are bringing out were among the greatest ever.

If I go with your hard criteria, Miandad is an ATG and Kumble is around borderline due to longevity. Rest none make a case from Pakistan's batting and also from India's bowling.

 

[Titan24]

India’s bowling factory? Am I missing something?

Yes current bowling is decent but they are no where close to great category as they havent played enough. Also in any era there is no pacer in Indian history of ho has taken more than 200 wickets in a single format at an average of less than 27 let alone 25. Yes Jadeja and Ashwin have great records but the way we compare other greats by looking at their stats in different conditions they don’t exactly set the world on fire based upon that but still are greats at home.

On the other hand Pak has produced some great batsmen:
-> Miandad averaged 52 in tests with 23 100s and 41 in ODIs

-> Younus Khan averaged 52 with 10,000 runs 34 test 100s and conversion ratio of greater than one and 4th innings record only second to the greatest ever

-> Mohammad Yousuf averaged 52 in tests with 24 100s and 41 in ODIs with 15 100s

-> Inzimam averaged almost 50 in tests with 25 100s and averaged close to 40 in ODIs with more than 11000 runs.

These are to give some names. India hasnt produced any bowler in history close to the pedigree of the batsmen of Pak I have mentioned.

Yes based upon emotions we can say anything but there is nothing here to compare on the basis of stats or facts. Pak has some other top batsmen as well other than the 4 mentioned but India has nothing much to show on bowling other than their current era’s couple of spinners who have done nothing much other than at hope.

So to answer to OP in my opinion there isnt much to compare.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India’s bowling factory? Am I missing something?

Yes current bowling is decent but they are no where close to great category as they havent played enough. Also in any era there is no pacer in Indian history of ho has taken more than 200 wickets in a single format at an average of less than 27 let alone 25. Yes Jadeja and Ashwin have great records but the way we compare other greats by looking at their stats in different conditions they don’t exactly set the world on fire based upon that but still are greats at home.

On the other hand Pak has produced some great batsmen:
-> Miandad averaged 52 in tests with 23 100s and 41 in ODIs

-> Younus Khan averaged 52 with 10,000 runs 34 test 100s and conversion ratio of greater than one and 4th innings record only second to the greatest ever

-> Mohammad Yousuf averaged 52 in tests with 24 100s and 41 in ODIs with 15 100s

-> Inzimam averaged almost 50 in tests with 25 100s and averaged close to 40 in ODIs with more than 11000 runs.

These are to give some names. India hasnt produced any bowler in history close to the pedigree of the batsmen of Pak I have mentioned.

Yes based upon emotions we can say anything but there is nothing here to compare on the basis of stats or facts. Pak has some other top batsmen as well other than the 4 mentioned but India has nothing much to show on bowling other than their current era’s couple of spinners who have done nothing much other than at hope.

So to answer to OP in my opinion there isnt much to compare.

miandad, yousuf. Don't recall their batting averages away being ever that good. Infact it was mediocre.

That's comparable to ashwin, jaddu bhai and shami.

Don't get me wrong I rate yousuf and miandad high but based on their performances overall I think it's comparable.

bumrah is still young so a long way to go.

 

[Titan24]

miandad, yousuf. Don't recall their batting averages away being ever that good. Infact it was mediocre.

That's comparable to ashwin, jaddu bhai and shami.

Don't get me wrong I rate yousuf and miandad high but based on their performances overall I think it's comparable.

bumrah is still young so a long way to go.

I agree that Jaddu and Ashwin have top records that is why I have mentioned them which can be comparable to 50+ averaging batsmen but Shami needs to get that average under 27 in my opinion when he gets 200 wickets to be comparable. Bumrah has all the potential but I am not sure for how long will he be able to keep his fitness.

If its about current lot than obviously Indian bowling is ahead of current Pak batting which only has one world class batsmen if we talk about all formats in Babar Azam. Though I think current lot of Pak pace bowling has really good potential.

 

[hur rizvi]

Oho, you didn't see but I also included Babar in it. So Bumrah being there is not unfair. Srinath and Zaheer led the Indian pace attack for years, Zaheer even won them a test series in England.

Their stats are a bit skewed due to lack of support but are certainly world class bowlers. The fact that I included Misbah and Yousuf(a 1 year peak player) and Anwar(4500 runs and more known for ODIs) in it, Srinath and Ishant certainly deserves it.

If we keep hard criteria of Kapil and Shami, then only Miandad, Inzamam and Younis are only world class batsmen Pakistan produced.

You keep calling Zaheer was good only in few years, what about Yousuf who was good for just one year. One of those players with the most misleading stats ever. Look at the averages in Australia, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka. Also, scored a lot of soft runs and boosted his runs on flat wickets of Pakistan those days. Saying that Yousuf was well ahead in batting to Zaheer in bowling is absurd.

Statistically, even Ash averages 25. I don't rate him as highly though.

I don’t know why you include Babar and Anwar both haven’t achieved anything in test cricket


You cannot make me accept average bowlers like Zaheer and Ishant as world class.

Yousuf was average in Australia and SA yes but other than that he was consistent elsewhere even without that insane year

 

[tyron_woodley]

I agree that Jaddu and Ashwin have top records that is why I have mentioned them which can be comparable to 50+ averaging batsmen but Shami needs to get that average under 27 in my opinion when he gets 200 wickets to be comparable. Bumrah has all the potential but I am not sure for how long will he be able to keep his fitness.

If its about current lot than obviously Indian bowling is ahead of current Pak batting which only has one world class batsmen if we talk about all formats in Babar Azam. Though I think current lot of Pak pace bowling has really good potential.

honestly I am shocked that a player as talented as yousuf dint average well away from home. He was probably the most talented batsman I have ever seen. inzamam was more talented than sachin but his fitness let him down.

 

[Titan24]

honestly I am shocked that a player as talented as yousuf dint average well away from home. He was probably the most talented batsman I have ever seen. inzamam was more talented than sachin but his fitness let him down.

In SENA countries Yousuf averaged 50+ in Eng and NZ while in 30s in Aus and SA. It was a good record overall I think.

 

[tyron_woodley]

In SENA countries Yousuf averaged 50+ in Eng and NZ while in 30s in Aus and SA. It was a good record overall I think.

30 for a player of his calibre though? Seems like they really do enjoy playing swing conditions though?

did yousuf play county? don't recall inzamam ever playing county for sure.

 

[tyron_woodley]

jaddu and ashwin dint do all that well in England and n.z actually. So inzi yousuf and younis are ahead.

Shami and bumrah still have a while to go.

I think Pakistan's batting is ahead of india's bowling at present. It may change depending on how jaddu ashwin bumrah and shami perform vs England (away) and australia away.

 

[Titan24]

30 for a player of his calibre though? Seems like they really do enjoy playing swing conditions though?

did yousuf play county? don't recall inzamam ever playing county for sure.

Yousuf played county cricket for Lancashire and Warwickshire though later was late in his career.

Inzi played for Yorkshire but after his retirement from international cricket in 2007.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yousuf played county cricket for Lancashire and Warwickshire though later was late in his career.

Inzi played for Yorkshire but after his retirement from international cricket in 2007.

India really need to consider playing some county games before playing England if they are serious about winning there.

Australia prepared really well for india tour in 2017 albeit in a losing cause but they put up a good fight in that series due to all prep work they did in u.a.e.

pakistan could beat England away if they prepared well like they always do by playing county games.

 

[Titan24]

India really need to consider playing some county games before playing England if they are serious about winning there.

Australia prepared really well for india tour in 2017 albeit in a losing cause but they put up a good fight in that series due to all prep work they did in u.a.e.

pakistan could beat England away if they prepared well like they always do by playing county games.

Reaching early and giving yourself atleast couple of practice matches gives any visiting team atleast decent preparation. Also India has 5 tests in England so there should ideally be a 3 day match against a county team in between tests too.

One problem is you cant control the oppositions provided by the host board and sometimes the quality of the oppositions isnt good enough. I guess this issue was raised by one of the teams if I am not wrong, maybe India not sure though.

Even in Aus Pak was given a pretty poor 2nd warm up match just before the first test with a team of nobodies.

 

[Khan12]

Lol. Some desperate indians in this thread.

 

[Ab Fan]

In SENA countries Yousuf averaged 50+ in Eng and NZ while in 30s in Aus and SA. It was a good record overall I think.

What about India and Sri Lanka? India were as good as Eng and SA that decade and much better than Kiwis.

 

[Titan24]

What about India and Sri Lanka? India were as good as Eng and SA that decade and much better than Kiwis.

Yousuf averaged 33 but Younus Khan averaged 76 and Inzi averaged 54 in India. Younus scored a 267 there as well.