Pakistan's batting strategy in the second Test in West Indies

[ChinMusic]

i have high respect for misbah but this has to be the most stupid and aimless innings ever played in history of the game.. going this way we will never end up with a sizeable lead untill tea of day 5 and this is just mindless blocking.. if for any reason, both of these get out, we have wasted time in the game, not scored any runs and meaning that we will not be able to chase anything that WI reply with...
extremely senseless and sick strategy

 

[MMHS]

i have high respect for misbah but this has to be the most stupid and aimless innings ever played in history of the game.. going this way we will never end up with a sizeable lead untill tea of day 5 and this is just mindless blocking.. if for any reason, both of these get out, we have wasted time in the game, not scored any runs and meaning that we will not be able to chase anything that WI reply with...
extremely senseless and sick strategy

He started under most difficult condition - 3 wickets down in no time, still 150+ behind on a deteriorating wicket, under fading light. Then this morning under clouds at Barbados - withing 45 minutes, the 2nd ball taken & he has negotiated that so far. If PAK reaches lunch 3 down, should double the total.

Test cricket isn't won in a session, but I have seen many teams losing it in an hour.

 

[ChinMusic]

He started under most difficult condition - 3 wickets down in no time, still 150+ behind on a deteriorating wicket, under fading light. Then this morning under clouds at Barbados - withing 45 minutes, the 2nd ball taken & he has negotiated that so far. If PAK reaches lunch 3 down, should double the total.

Test cricket isn't won in a session, but I have seen many teams losing it in an hour.

i agree with all the points above, but if you are not in a position to rotate strike after facing 60 odd deliveries and for Azhar 200+ deliveries, then u shld seriously question your skills as a batsmen, and its not that its express pace of starc or accuracy of hazelwood on offer, its one of the weakest bowling attack in the test circle... so def a worrying signs...

 

[JibranAnsari]

Granted , its utterly boring and frustrating to watch but the conditions arent good for batting at all. The pitch is deteriorating and there is a cloud cover , you dont pay to watch such stuff but its part of the game.

 

[srh]

i have high respect for misbah but this has to be the most stupid and aimless innings ever played in history of the game.. going this way we will never end up with a sizeable lead untill tea of day 5 and this is just mindless blocking.. if for any reason, both of these get out, we have wasted time in the game, not scored any runs and meaning that we will not be able to chase anything that WI reply with...
extremely senseless and sick strategy

this is pretty dumb post

lets do math: There are 90 overs in a day. Pakistan is 100 runs behind and there are 70 overs left today. Pakistan is playing at 2.3 runs per over but lets assume Pakistan slow down even more and play at 2 runs per over. So 70 * 2 = 140 runs so Pakistan will end up with 40 runs lead by the end of day 3. Assuming Pakistan play the whole day 4 at the same 2 runs per over then they will add 90 * 2 = 180 runs by the end of day 4 with total lead of 220 runs. 220 runs is more than enough lead so Pakistan does not need to play on day 5. And you said Pakistan need to play until tea of day 5 to get sizeable lead

 

[MMHS]

i agree with all the points above, but if you are not in a position to rotate strike after facing 60 odd deliveries and for Azhar 200+ deliveries, then u shld seriously question your skills as a batsmen, and its not that its express pace of starc or accuracy of hazelwood on offer, its one of the weakest bowling attack in the test circle... so def a worrying signs...

No one claims Azhar to be a dynamic player, neither Misbah - it's only PAK that plays Azhar in ODI. Starc/Josh comparison is a bit moot here because this wicket isn't same like that MCG, Gabba or SCG wicket. Besides, this game is not even at half way - without rain 250+ overs left; what this pair is doing is negotiating the 2nd ball, if this pair remain secured, after lunch - Holder will cry. He made a similar mistake in 2nd ODI, when he finished Gabriel early & Babar/Imad put 85 in last 7 overs.

 

[ChinMusic]

this is pretty dumb post

lets do math: There are 90 overs in a day. Pakistan is 100 runs behind and there are 70 overs left today. Pakistan is playing at 2.3 runs per over but lets assume Pakistan slow down even more and play at 2 runs per over. So 70 * 2 = 140 runs so Pakistan will end up with 40 runs lead by the end of day 3. Assuming Pakistan play the whole day 4 at the same 2 runs per over then they will add 90 * 2 = 180 runs by the end of day 4 with total lead of 220 runs. 220 runs is more than enough lead so Pakistan does not need to play on day 5. And you said Pakistan need to play until tea of day 5 to get sizeable lead

i have abs no idea how and wat to say here... so we are extremly and 100% sure that we will be able to get the WI out in a day (assuming no rain, no interruptions) (we might but still is a chance of NOT being able to do so)... so although u get 10/10 for year 3 maths, u get 0 for common sense and understanding the sarcasm behind "Tea day 5"

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Such a dynamic batting should not be batting like this. It's a shame to see the second fastest centurion in test history is batting at a strike rate of 30.

 

[Rafa]

Most likely Misbab will hit a Ton, Pakistan will get a 100 runs lead , WI will collapse and critics will have egg of their face.

 

[ChinMusic]

No one claims Azhar to be a dynamic player, neither Misbah - it's only PAK that plays Azhar in ODI. Starc/Josh comparison is a bit moot here because this wicket isn't same like that MCG, Gabba or SCG wicket. Besides, this game is not even at half way - without rain 250+ overs left; what this pair is doing is negotiating the 2nd ball, if this pair remain secured, after lunch - Holder will cry. He made a similar mistake in 2nd ODI, when he finished Gabriel early & Babar/Imad put 85 in last 7 overs.

true but only issue is that with over-cast and a threat of rain looming, this could def back fire and we are left holding strong position but still giving away the game

 

[Big Mac]

Most likely Misbab will hit a Ton, Pakistan will get a 100 runs lead , WI will collapse and critics will have egg of their face.

It's like nobody learned anything from the last test.

 

[MMHS]

true but only issue is that with over-cast and a threat of rain looming, this could def back fire and we are left holding strong position but still giving away the game

It's a bit different for batting strategy between 1st innings (1 & 2) than 2nd innings (3 & 4). 1st innings is about consolidation - take your time & get the score board moving inch by inch. Obviously 4+ rate is always better, but among 2 alternatives of losing regular wickets to tiring out bowlers, 2nd one is better strategy.

In 2nd innings, apart from inferior wickets, there is pressure, but bowlers are often tiered than 1st innings, therefore best players often go after the bowling on Day 4 & 5, often they get away with that as well.

Here, I think Misbah & Azhar has done fantastically to survive the most difficult session of this match so far.

 

[Big Mac]

Since the new ball we have scored 39 runs in 14 overs (2.8 RPO) without losing a wicket, on a pitch that is doing this

Senseless and sick strategy indeed.

 

[IMMY69]

Such a dynamic batting should not be batting like this. It's a shame to see the second fastest centurion in test history is batting at a strike rate of 30.

OR

It's amazing to see the second fastest centurion in test history showing intelligence and battling it out there to try and ensure we get a lead on a deteriorating wicket.

 

[pakistani pride]

Arghhhh. The plan is to bat once. We can even bat till tea on day 4!

Misbah is doing what he does best and he knows the strong points of his team but deffo knows the weak points.

Last game we lost 3 wickets chasing 30 odd runs.....

 

[aloo paratha]

What a dumb thread, when bowlers get tired the runs start to come, and what so you want? Misbah to smack the new ball? Misbah and Azhar should get us to at least a safe position, and then Sarfraz, Shafiq and shadab can accelerate when bowlers are tired and nothing is coming. Long partnerships tire bowlers, happened just in this match, Reston, and holder started scoring freely late in the day when bowlers were tired.

 

[Zaz]

Taking your time is fine but surely after while youve got to be proactive and try and gain the upper hand

Playing out 90 odd overs at 2rpo is very poor and doesnt help pakistan at all All this and pakistan is still well behind Wi total

Misbah and azhar are making the pitch look a lot worse than it is tbh and if a wicket or 2 falls this strategy will backfire with very little gained and a potential last innings scrap for survival which it should never come down to

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Since the new ball we have scored 39 runs in 14 overs (2.8 RPO) without losing a wicket, on a pitch that is doing this

Senseless and sick strategy indeed.

Baqi log stats istemaal karte hain to support their opinion, tum to seedha video daal dete ho

 

[srh]

What a dumb thread, when bowlers get tired the runs start to come, and what so you want? Misbah to smack the new ball? Misbah and Azhar should get us to at least a safe position, and then Sarfraz, Shafiq and shadab can accelerate when bowlers are tired and nothing is coming. Long partnerships tire bowlers, happened just in this match, Reston, and holder started scoring freely late in the day when bowlers were tired.

too much common sense in this post which the OP [MENTION=137839]ChinMusic[/MENTION] will not understand

 

[ads101]

The pitch is hard to play at. Yes they're striking at 2 runs an over. But would you want an extra 20 runs for the loss of wickets. Main thing is to stay in atm.

 

[Buffet]

i agree with all the points above, but if you are not in a position to rotate strike after facing 60 odd deliveries and for Azhar 200+ deliveries, then u shld seriously question your skills as a batsmen, and its not that its express pace of starc or accuracy of hazelwood on offer, its one of the weakest bowling attack in the test circle... so def a worrying signs...

Both lack the skill to rotate strike and no one consider these two batsmen a good ODI batsman for the same reason, but this is test format. Lots of overs to play with and time may not be that huge a factor.

 

[idrizzy]

Why are people still doubting Misbah after everything he's done to the side? It's only day 3 and if we bat out today and tomorrow morning, 5 sessions is enough to get Windies out + chase a score. Stupid thread; fickle fan

 

[srh]

[MENTION=137839]ChinMusic[/MENTION] Pakistan has taken the lead and still 40 overs left. Pakistan may get a lead of 100 runs today if they continue to play cautiously and slow. By tea of day 4 they could have a lead of 250 runs and declare. :

 

[ads101]

Why are people still doubting Misbah after everything he's done to the side? It's only day 3 and if we bat out today and tomorrow morning, 5 sessions is enough to get Windies out + chase a score. Stupid thread; fickle fan

It's silly people take any excuse to bash him. LOI fine, but tests he's doing nothing wrong with batting slow.

 

[nads_rocks]

So where is everyone that was saying the match is under control the run rate is fine, carry on like this and lead will 100.

Test Cricket has moved on from the 80s and 90s. Test cricket asks for 3-4 rpo. A average 1 day score is now in the region of 330-340 and no matter how bad the conditions or the pitches are. A professional batsman who once set and has played 60-100 balls should be able to find the gaps get the singles and doubles hit the occasional boundaries. They should be batting with a target in mind not defending like their life depends on it. Its always the case in every format. Dot balls create pressure. Pressure makes you do silly things. The opposition find a sniff when a team is under pressure and then a collapse happens. Had the team batted with a little bit of intent they would be looking at a comfortable 120-140 runs lead.

The only player I see in this team who has the ability to play at the required temp and keep the scoreboard ticking is Safraz Ahmed. Yes he got out today but he wasted no time in scoring, neither did Shadab or Yasir Shah. Safraz needs to bat ahead of Shafiq. You cannot have Ahmed Shahzad Azhar Ali then Babar and Asad Shafiq because all of them players play snails pace so after Misbah and Younis Safraz needs to come in after Babar Azam at no.4. If 1 freezes the other can rotate strikes. U cannot afford to have 2 batsman who just freeze at the crease. This is a weak west indies side and we still can't score against them then how on earth will this team survive against stronger oppositions... Teams like England South Africa Australia who score in the regions of 400s 500s and even 600s.
It takes Pakistan a whole day to grind it out to reach 250. When you are faced with scores of 400+ then how will they approach it. You cannot play for a draw all the time.

 

[Big Mac]

So where is everyone that was saying the match is under control the run rate is fine, carry on like this and lead will 100.

Test Cricket has moved on from the 80s and 90s. Test cricket asks for 3-4 rpo. A average 1 day score is now in the region of 330-340 and no matter how bad the conditions or the pitches are. A professional batsman who once set and has played 60-100 balls should be able to find the gaps get the singles and doubles hit the occasional boundaries. They should be batting with a target in mind not defending like their life depends on it. Its always the case in every format. Dot balls create pressure. Pressure makes you do silly things. The opposition find a sniff when a team is under pressure and then a collapse happens. Had the team batted with a little bit of intent they would be looking at a comfortable 120-140 runs lead.

The only player I see in this team who has the ability to play at the required temp and keep the scoreboard ticking is Safraz Ahmed. Yes he got out today but he wasted no time in scoring, neither did Shadab or Yasir Shah. Safraz needs to bat ahead of Shafiq. You cannot have Ahmed Shahzad Azhar Ali then Babar and Asad Shafiq because all of them players play snails pace so after Misbah and Younis Safraz needs to come in after Babar Azam at no.4. If 1 freezes the other can rotate strikes. U cannot afford to have 2 batsman who just freeze at the crease. This is a weak west indies side and we still can't score against them then how on earth will this team survive against stronger oppositions... Teams like England South Africa Australia who score in the regions of 400s 500s and even 600s.
It takes Pakistan a whole day to grind it out to reach 250. When you are faced with scores of 400+ then how will they approach it. You cannot play for a draw all the time.

Get a load of this guy [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. All those words just to say "What about the run rate though?!?!"

Let's see if this helps you understand.

Australia's run rate in the Windies this decade is below 3 runs an over.

Brendon McCullum's New Zealand batted slower than 3 runs an over.

England batted at 3.30 RPO but that series was mostly played on different wickets to this series. In the test they played in Bridgetown, where this current test is being played, England were bowled out for 257 in 96.3 overs (2.66 RPO) and 123 in 42.1 overs (2.91 RPO).

India's run rate in the Windies this decade is 3.11 RPO but in the one test they played in Bridgetown guess what happened to that modern run rate? 201 all out in 68 overs (2.95 RPO) and 269/6 in 102 overs (2.63 RPO while setting up a declaration!). In Kingston, where the first test of this series was played, India took 171.1 overs to score 500. That's 2.92 RPO, to score five hundred after bowling the Windies out for 196!

Saffers went at exactly 3 RPO. Who wants to bet if they scored slower or quicker than 3 RPO in Bridgetown? If you guessed slower then congratulations, you get a high five from me! 346 in 134.4 overs. (2.56 RPO)



If the concept of different conditions requiring teams to play differently is beyond your comprehension then you should have just typed out "WHAT ABOUT AGGRESSION THOUGH!" and save everyone's time.

 

[shaz619]

Get a load of this guy [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. All those words just to say "What about the run rate though?!?!"

Let's see if this helps you understand.

Australia's run rate in the Windies this decade is below 3 runs an over.

Brendon McCullum's New Zealand batted slower than 3 runs an over.

England batted at 3.30 RPO but that series was mostly played on different wickets to this series. In the test they played in Bridgetown, where this current test is being played, England were bowled out for 257 in 96.3 overs (2.66 RPO) and 123 in 42.1 overs (2.91 RPO).

India's run rate in the Windies this decade is 3.11 RPO but in the one test they played in Bridgetown guess what happened to that modern run rate? 201 all out in 68 overs (2.95 RPO) and 269/6 in 102 overs (2.63 RPO while setting up a declaration!). In Kingston, where the first test of this series was played, India took 171.1 overs to score 500. That's 2.92 RPO, to score five hundred after bowling the Windies out for 196!

Saffers went at exactly 3 RPO. Who wants to bet if they scored slower or quicker than 3 RPO in Bridgetown? If you guessed slower then congratulations, you get a high five from me! 346 in 134.4 overs. (2.56 RPO)



If the concept of different conditions requiring teams to play differently is beyond your comprehension then you should have just typed out "WHAT ABOUT AGGRESSION THOUGH!" and save everyone's time.

POTW! you deserve it for enlightening us beyond all the none sense, people criticise our methods but look at them without context and intentionally ignore what we've achieved as a Test team. Yes there are instances where such methods backfire no doubt given the nature of various wickets but more often then not we've done quiet well and in the WI's you need to respect the conditions! plus we need to protect our fragile batting line up from a collapse, I'll be the first to admit Misbah's Pakistan is not the most gifted but they maximise their strengths and are mentally tougher then past Pakistani teams

 

[nads_rocks]

We'll talk when Pakistan lose a test match that they should have expected to win had they batted with some intelligence and sense!

 

[Big Mac]

We'll talk when Pakistan lose a test match that they should have expected to win had they batted with some intelligence and sense!

You mean the test match where the Windies put themselves into a winning position by batting slower than 3 RPO?

 

[nads_rocks]

You mean the test match where the Windies put themselves into a winning position by batting slower than 3 RPO?

What good is a team consisting of specialist test players in azhar younis asad misbah if they are not going to score runs at a decent rate?

 

[Big Mac]

What good is a team consisting of specialist test players in azhar younis asad misbah if they are not going to score runs at a decent rate?

Why don't you look a few posts up this thread and see if things start to make some sense?

 

[Square Drive]

Get a load of this guy [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. All those words just to say "What about the run rate though?!?!"

Let's see if this helps you understand.

Australia's run rate in the Windies this decade is below 3 runs an over.

Brendon McCullum's New Zealand batted slower than 3 runs an over.

England batted at 3.30 RPO but that series was mostly played on different wickets to this series. In the test they played in Bridgetown, where this current test is being played, England were bowled out for 257 in 96.3 overs (2.66 RPO) and 123 in 42.1 overs (2.91 RPO).

India's run rate in the Windies this decade is 3.11 RPO but in the one test they played in Bridgetown guess what happened to that modern run rate? 201 all out in 68 overs (2.95 RPO) and 269/6 in 102 overs (2.63 RPO while setting up a declaration!). In Kingston, where the first test of this series was played, India took 171.1 overs to score 500. That's 2.92 RPO, to score five hundred after bowling the Windies out for 196!

Saffers went at exactly 3 RPO. Who wants to bet if they scored slower or quicker than 3 RPO in Bridgetown? If you guessed slower then congratulations, you get a high five from me! 346 in 134.4 overs. (2.56 RPO)



If the concept of different conditions requiring teams to play differently is beyond your comprehension then you should have just typed out "WHAT ABOUT AGGRESSION THOUGH!" and save everyone's time.

POTW. Brilliant analysis.

 

[Square Drive]

What good is a team consisting of specialist test players in azhar younis asad misbah if they are not going to score runs at a decent rate?

Err maybe if they can win games, they're good?

 

[nads_rocks]

Err maybe if they can win games, they're good?

Erm the same team that got to no.1 and as quickly dropped down in 1 series?
Playing a weakened West Indies Side and still struggling to dominate a game.

I aint against Pakistan or Misbah for that matter I am a huge pak fan and have been since forever. I want the team to dominate atleast in Tests because mainly all of their players are test match standards and I want to see them play test with abit of intent, change pace as and when required. Bat the opposition out the games. Build healthy leads. Don't play under pressure and like your life depends on it. You can't have the whole team bat a snails pace.

Anyway it seems they are turning it around but nearing 200 to chase on a day 5 pitch will be very difficult. But lets see.

 

[Square Drive]

Erm the same team that got to no.1 and as quickly dropped down in 1 series?
Playing a weakened West Indies Side and still struggling to dominate a game.

I aint against Pakistan or Misbah for that matter I am a huge pak fan and have been since forever. I want the team to dominate atleast in Tests because mainly all of their players are test match standards and I want to see them play test with abit of intent, change pace as and when required. Bat the opposition out the games. Build healthy leads. Don't play under pressure and like your life depends on it. You can't have the whole team bat a snails pace.

Anyway it seems they are turning it around but nearing 200 to chase on a day 5 pitch will be very difficult. But lets see.

Yes because they played on green mambas in NZ and then in AUS, where no team has found it easy. And mind you, we almost chased 440 IN AUS in one of the games.

This is Test cricket and they're doing fine.

 

[Big Mac]

POTW! you deserve it for enlightening us beyond all the none sense, people criticise our methods but look at them without context and intentionally ignore what we've achieved as a Test team. Yes there are instances where such methods backfire no doubt given the nature of various wickets but more often then not we've done quiet well and in the WI's you need to respect the conditions! plus we need to protect our fragile batting line up from a collapse, I'll be the first to admit Misbah's Pakistan is not the most gifted but they maximise their strengths and are mentally tougher then past Pakistani teams

POTW. Brilliant analysis.

See how quiet the thread became once the facts were revealed? People have ventured elsewhere to whine about run rate because they can try and hide from reality in other threads.

It seems that the truth does indeed hurt

 

[srh]

Get a load of this guy [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. All those words just to say "What about the run rate though?!?!"

Let's see if this helps you understand.

Australia's run rate in the Windies this decade is below 3 runs an over.

Brendon McCullum's New Zealand batted slower than 3 runs an over.

England batted at 3.30 RPO but that series was mostly played on different wickets to this series. In the test they played in Bridgetown, where this current test is being played, England were bowled out for 257 in 96.3 overs (2.66 RPO) and 123 in 42.1 overs (2.91 RPO).

India's run rate in the Windies this decade is 3.11 RPO but in the one test they played in Bridgetown guess what happened to that modern run rate? 201 all out in 68 overs (2.95 RPO) and 269/6 in 102 overs (2.63 RPO while setting up a declaration!). In Kingston, where the first test of this series was played, India took 171.1 overs to score 500. That's 2.92 RPO, to score five hundred after bowling the Windies out for 196!

Saffers went at exactly 3 RPO. Who wants to bet if they scored slower or quicker than 3 RPO in Bridgetown? If you guessed slower then congratulations, you get a high five from me! 346 in 134.4 overs. (2.56 RPO)



If the concept of different conditions requiring teams to play differently is beyond your comprehension then you should have just typed out "WHAT ABOUT AGGRESSION THOUGH!" and save everyone's time.

Awesome reply. If the poster [MENTION=29254]nads_rocks[/MENTION] has any sharam left he should apologize

 

[Big Mac]

Awesome reply. If the poster [MENTION=29254]nads_rocks[/MENTION] has any sharam left he should apologize

It's not just him, look at virtually every thread about the team and there will be people talking nonsense about 'aggression' and 'modern' cricket.

Their preconceived notions carry far, far more weight than the truth itself and people are too stubborn to hold up their hands and say "I guess I was mistaken"

 

[abughio]

well in the first innings I never had any issue with their run rate.. but this second innings need intent from batters else we will be flattered trying to survive.

Thank GOD they dont have good bowlers. otherwise they wont have let us survive that much.

My bet was on AA but he is gone.

 

[srh]

Azhar Ali lost his wicket in 2nd inning when tries to play fast as OP wants

 

[abughio]

pakistan rolling over under 50

 

[nads_rocks]

I dont need to apologise to nobody because the results are out there to see. Give this team a belter of a wicket give them a flat pancake and still they will bat like their life depends on it.

Its a shambles. Chasing anything over 150 and they forget how to hold the bat. These are your superior test specialist batsman out for virtually nothing. Have the whole day to play. Where is the Misbah who can hit boundaries at will. 2nd fastest test century out for a duck.

Younis supposed to be 4th inn specialist. I wont even mention Shahzad or Azhar Ali but not 1 of these batsman has stood up and tried to chase 188 its 188 not 300.

Time and time again this team has lost test matches they SHOULD have won with ease.

U can throw facts stats whatever at me. A cricket should be prepared to play on any type of pitch. Any other team would go for the chase and not try to defend on a day 5 pitch when they have plenty of overs to get to the target... The fact of the matter is it all comes to confidence and the intelligence to rotate the strike...

To think this team was No.1 a few months ago...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

The bowlers saved them last game but it's come back to bite them here. If you can't capitalize when you're on top, you'll always end up on the losing side. These guys were blocking full tosses and half volleys FGS, such a limited snail paced lineup. They don't deserve to win.

 

[Big Mac]

U can throw facts stats whatever at me. A cricket should be prepared to play on any type of pitch. Any other team would go for the chase and not try to defend on a day 5 pitch when they have plenty of overs to get to the target... The fact of the matter is it all comes to confidence and the intelligence to rotate the strike...

"I don't care that other teams don't do this, other teams would do this"

 

[nads_rocks]

The bowlers saved them last game but it's come back to bite them here. If you can't capitalize when you're on top, you'll always end up on the losing side. These guys were blocking full tosses and half volleys FGS, such a limited snail paced lineup. They don't deserve to win.

They won't understand. They will just say pitch is messy this that. other teams blah blah stats scorecards etc... Can't face reality. This is a West Indies B Team and we are 7 down for 50. Its funny how Amir and Safraz are able to find runs. Maybe the other batsman have been playing on another pitch.

 

[BD-fan]

^ Is Babar your man? I believe he has a healthy SR.

 

[nads_rocks]

"I don't care that other teams don't do this, other teams would do this"

I don't think other teams would be losing 7 wickets for 50 runs chasing a small target with a whole day to play..

Face it and admit it its always slow snail pace 1-2 rpo batting defending the life out of the ball that has always and will continue to always put pakistan on the losing side. Test Cricket just like ODI cricket has moved on. Its the modern era and the sooner some young players come in who have passion for the game for their country and have the hunger to win and prove themselves at the top level the better it will be for the future of cricket in LOI and Test.

even the 1st test Younis played for his 10,000 runs not for the team he played to reach that landmark and took forever getting there then got out. Why did Misbah miss out on a century. All he needed was 1 run. He is capable of clearing the ropes at will but no all these batsman are capable of getting atleast 3 if not 2 singles and hit the occasional ball for a boundary. Runs give you confidence and unsettle the opposition. Defensive mindplay will always give advantage to the bowling and fielding team. We saw it in 1st inn and we saw it now.

The only reason why pak had a slender lead in 1st inn was due to Yasir Shah and Shadab. The lower order can find runs but the openers and middle order cant even see the ball!

 

[shane]

Pakistan's batting strategy has been the same as it is in every other match. Block, block, block, Out....

 

[Big Mac]

I don't think other teams would be losing 7 wickets for 50 runs chasing a small target with a whole day to play..

Face it and admit it its always slow snail pace 1-2 rpo batting defending the life out of the ball that has always and will continue to always put pakistan on the losing side. Test Cricket just like ODI cricket has moved on. Its the modern era and the sooner some young players come in who have passion for the game for their country and have the hunger to win and prove themselves at the top level the better it will be for the future of cricket in LOI and Test.

First of all, this thread is about the first innings where we lost the chance to have a big lead not because of the run rate but because #3 and #4 failed to capitalise on good work from the openers and then Shafiq and Sarfraz failed to build on what Misbah and Azhar did.

Secondly, you're just repeating the same old rubbish about the "modern era" even though I have just showed what those "modern" teams you worship so much have done on these same pitches.

You are deliberately ignoring reality in order to live in this fantasyland that you have constructed in your mind, what a sad existence that must be.

 

[Adil_94]

i know the uncle chishtis and purist are very happy to see this 1 or 2 rpo batting. Thinking this is "proper Test batting" and if u disagree with it you are a T20 fan or an Afridiite. However you still need to score at a decent rate around 3 an over at least especially on a track u know will deteriorate later on you have to get ahead of the eight ball. If we showed more urgency and batted at 3 rpo and then accelrated after 120 overs we would have got 450 and put ourselves into a winning position. We plodded for 140 overs and still left WI with a chance.

Misbahs tactics are fine on UAE style bhattas that hardly deteriorate where we win the toss rack up 550 after batting for a day and a half then we have Yasir and scoreboard pressure to get us wickets. But this team is a one trick pony once we are out of our comfort zone pitch wise where slow attritional cricket doesnt work then we are lefr clueless.

 

[Big Mac]

i know the uncle chishtis and purist are very happy to see this 1 or 2 rpo batting. Thinking this is "proper Test batting" and if u disagree with it you are a T20 fan or an Afridiite. However you still need to score at a decent rate around 3 an over at least especially on a track u know will deteriorate later on you have to get ahead of the eight ball.

So why don't the other 'modern' teams do it?

Get a load of this guy [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]. All those words just to say "What about the run rate though?!?!"

Let's see if this helps you understand.

Australia's run rate in the Windies this decade is below 3 runs an over.

Brendon McCullum's New Zealand batted slower than 3 runs an over.

England batted at 3.30 RPO but that series was mostly played on different wickets to this series. In the test they played in Bridgetown, where this current test is being played, England were bowled out for 257 in 96.3 overs (2.66 RPO) and 123 in 42.1 overs (2.91 RPO).

India's run rate in the Windies this decade is 3.11 RPO but in the one test they played in Bridgetown guess what happened to that modern run rate? 201 all out in 68 overs (2.95 RPO) and 269/6 in 102 overs (2.63 RPO while setting up a declaration!). In Kingston, where the first test of this series was played, India took 171.1 overs to score 500. That's 2.92 RPO, to score five hundred after bowling the Windies out for 196!

Saffers went at exactly 3 RPO. Who wants to bet if they scored slower or quicker than 3 RPO in Bridgetown? If you guessed slower then congratulations, you get a high five from me! 346 in 134.4 overs. (2.56 RPO)



If the concept of different conditions requiring teams to play differently is beyond your comprehension then you should have just typed out "WHAT ABOUT AGGRESSION THOUGH!" and save everyone's time.

 

[boomboom6]

There we go ... the 40-50 runs we left on the table by not rotating strike are now coming back to haunt us as we lose yet another test match because of unnecessary blockathon.

 

[Syed1]

Nah man... some PP'ers would have us believe playing at 2 rpo is the only way to play test match cricket.

 

[nads_rocks]

First of all, this thread is about the first innings where we lost the chance to have a big lead not because of the run rate but because #3 and #4 failed to capitalise on good work from the openers and then Shafiq and Sarfraz failed to build on what Misbah and Azhar did.

Secondly, you're just repeating the same old rubbish about the "modern era" even though I have just showed what those "modern" teams you worship so much have done on these same pitches.

You are deliberately ignoring reality in order to live in this fantasyland that you have constructed in your mind, what a sad existence that must be.

I rather see team fighting to win than give up and lose. Am done with replying to your nonsense posts. I have been following pakistan cricket since a very young age I am in my 30s. I know what I am talking about and where you talk about worship. You see everyday in this forum pak players being compared against india players and what not. Atleast other teams have moved on and built a team worthy of fighting built a team full of confidence. Let go of ttfs and gambled and put trust in younger players thats the modern era! Not stuck in the 80s or 90s anymore. Every cricketer who has alot of test experience and has been playing for Pakistan for a number of years should know how to approach an innings when to defend when to accellerate. No point playing 200 balls if all your going to score is 50 and get out. no point defending the life out of the ball for 150 balls and then hit a few sixes to show that sr is decent. Do it from the get go confident intelligent strike rotation = winning team simple as that!

 

[boomboom6]

Heck even 30 runs extra would've done the job as chasing 150 would be a lot more palatable then 180+ here.

It was terrible batting from Misbah and Azhar on Day 3, 1st session. 54 runs in 26 overs is ridiculous for 2 set batsmen at the crease. Yes Babar & YK failed but these 2 were set and should've taken responsibility.

Oh well. Have to win next match now.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] have you heard of the phrase make hay when the sun is shining. This is what our bats should have done.
To bat 140 overs you have to at least make 450. So many of our bats got in but didnt accelerate anywhere near enough batting at strike rates of around 30 . This 2 rpo strategy is so fraught with risk on a track that will deteriorate later on if u dont properly capitalise while batting first then you will run into trouble in the 4th innings. We could have definitely showed a lot more urgency.

 

[nads_rocks]

We'll talk when Pakistan lose a test match that they should have expected to win had they batted with some intelligence and sense!

I'm just going to leave this here...

 

[Zaz]

Im in agreement that we should have got more runs in the 1st innings having batted out a lot of overs You cant just block things out on a deteriorating pitch because sooner or later you will get an unplayable delivery

They also took unecessary time out of the game which has meant we batted on a wearing 5th day pitch which couldve also been avoided

This strategy needs revising because it doesnt always work Theres no way we shouldve lost this game having batted nearly 150 overs in the 1st innings

 

[Big Mac]

I rather see team fighting to win than give up and lose. Am done with replying to your nonsense posts. I have been following pakistan cricket since a very young age I am in my 30s. I know what I am talking about and where you talk about worship. You see everyday in this forum pak players being compared against india players and what not. Atleast other teams have moved on and built a team worthy of fighting built a team full of confidence. Let go of ttfs and gambled and put trust in younger players thats the modern era! Not stuck in the 80s or 90s anymore. Every cricketer who has alot of test experience and has been playing for Pakistan for a number of years should know how to approach an innings when to defend when to accellerate. No point playing 200 balls if all your going to score is 50 and get out. no point defending the life out of the ball for 150 balls and then hit a few sixes to show that sr is decent. Do it from the get go confident intelligent strike rotation = winning team simple as that!

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[MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] have you heard of the phrase make hay when the sun is shining. This is what our bats should have done.
To bat 140 overs you have to at least make 450. So many of our bats got in but didnt accelerate anywhere near enough batting at strike rates of around 30 . This 2 rpo strategy is so fraught with risk on a track that will deteriorate later on if u dont properly capitalise while batting first then you will run into trouble in the 4th innings. We could have definitely showed a lot more urgency.

Did you watch the game? Go look at the run rates for each period of play and then come back. We batted slowly at the start of the third day, saw off the second new ball and then once the bowlers got tired and the ball got soft the run rate increased.

They went along at around 3.5 RPO from the time the Windies took the new ball to the time Misbah was dismissed. Is that too slow?

It's not slow scoring that cost us this game, but the failures of Babar, Younis, Shafiq and Sarfraz.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] Azhar and Misbah 54 in 26 overs on Day 3 just isnt good enough. Yes our other middle order bats should have contributed. But 393 from 140 overs isnt good enough overall as a batting performance. Despite the failures of our middle order bats. Shafiq made what 15 off 60 odd batting at a 20 strike rate. The openers after seeing off the new ball were still batting at under 40 S/R. Misbahs S/R was good.The team still managed 140 overs despite Younis Sarfraz and Babars failure. And still batted far too slowly. We batted 41 overs more than WI did in the 1st innings yet only scored 81 more runs thats what barely 2 an over.

 

[IAJ]

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Did you watch the game? Go look at the run rates for each period of play and then come back. We batted slowly at the start of the third day, saw off the second new ball and then once the bowlers got tired and the ball got soft the run rate increased.

They went along at around 3.5 RPO from the time the Windies took the new ball to the time Misbah was dismissed. Is that too slow?

It's not slow scoring that cost us this game, but the failures of Babar, Younis, Shafiq and Sarfraz.

Well it takes two to make a quarrel. The other team were here to play cricket as well. They must have done something right to dismiss Pakistan for 81 runs.

And it's wrong to name only a few names and blame them for the loss. The match was lost in 4th innings when pakistan were blown away for 81, you expect a top side like Pakistan two chase the small total or at least draw it, but then again credit to windies for bowling well.

 

[Napa]

I think a lot of these arguments about whether the scoring rate was too fast or too slow are futile. I am sure that the batsmen know that their goal in a Test is to maximize their score, unless they feel they are running out of time to get a win (which wasn't an issue in this Test). Would Pakistan have scored more if they were more attacking or would they simply have got out even quicker with a lower score. Can't really say, have to trust the batsmen were the best judge of that. Sarfaraz obviously tried to unsettle the bowlers by attacking them, it worked for a while but finally he got out to a slog.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Too scared to bat outside the crease like Hope?

I question the physical courage of our players.

We deserve to be humiliated as we are afraid of the ball.

 

[Big Mac]

Well it takes two to make a quarrel. The other team were here to play cricket as well. They must have done something right to dismiss Pakistan for 81 runs.

And it's wrong to name only a few names and blame them for the loss. The match was lost in 4th innings when pakistan were blown away for 81, you expect a top side like Pakistan two chase the small total or at least draw it, but then again credit to windies for bowling well.

Nah, match was lost in the second and third innings.

The pitch was already behaving erratically and it was going to be very difficult batting on the fifth day. We needed to get a big first innings lead and then take advantage of the conditions to roll the Windies over. We failed to do both of those, first by wasting the good position Misbah and Azhar had created and then by allowing the Windies to score too many runs in their second innings thanks to a combination of a raw Shadab and a terrific, gutsy knock from Hope.

 

[Mamoon]

Our bowlers lost the game. It was almost like the Birmingham Test. We had a sizable, potentially match-winning first innings lead, but the bowlers allowed the opposition to race ahead without breaking a sweat. Amir and Abbas have bowled very well in this series so far, but they let the team down in the third innings.

 

[MRSN]

You can see the intent of your batsmen when they block even the full tosses. Some people simply need to admit that Misbah and YK have made their careers bashing spinners and leaving anything even the full tosses from fast bowlers. Chase showed them how proper batsman develops his innings. He was punishing bad deliveries no matter who it was bowling. Spinner or fast bowler. And he has won the game for his team.

 

[bleaf27]

You can see the intent of your batsmen when they block even the full tosses. Some people simply need to admit that Misbah and YK have made their careers bashing spinners and leaving anything even the full tosses from fast bowlers. Chase showed them how proper batsman develops his innings. He was punishing bad deliveries no matter who it was bowling. Spinner or fast bowler. And he has won the game for his team.

That made me laugh ! Did that really happen ?

 

[MRSN]

That made me laugh ! Did that really happen ?

) it really did. quite few times to be honest. They were 'extra' cautious. You expect them to punish bad deliveries and they got load of them in the first innings. They were just not willing to take risk against pacers due to fear and lack of skills.

 

[bleaf27]

) it really did. quite few times to be honest. They were 'extra' cautious. You expect them to punish bad deliveries and they got load of them in the first innings. They were just not willing to take risk against pacers due to fear and lack of skills.

I need to see the highlights on youtube later , that'd be funny

 

[MRSN]

I need to see the highlights on youtube later , that'd be funny

I don't think they show tuk tuk on the highlights though..

 

[bleaf27]

I don't think they show tuk tuk on the highlights though..

Haha I'll fill in the gaps