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141 dot balls played by Pakistan in the first ODI against West Indies

the Tuk Tuk disease.

Shoaib Akhtar on TV: "Strike Rotation is a big probelm in Pakistan's team"
 
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Simple answer: they lack ability & are unable to adjust to modern day cricket.
 
I just always assume the fitness levels are miles behind other top teams and that our batsmen can't run between wickets consistently; they'll start to huff and puff.
 
Sarfraz dhoka nahi dega!! :srini

Look guys, I called it out in the other thread why it's happening.

We simply don't have the batsmen for LOIs. The entire train of accumulators is like a PLAGUE for Pakistan cricket


These are not Tests for heaven's sake. Imagine what will a good opposition do to a side with Shehzad, Malik, Sarfraz, Imad Wasim in it.

Expect more of this and more mauling against top loi sides.
 
Shehzad and Hafeez plays too many dot balls and sorry i feel they play selfishly. Team players over selfish players every day of the week
 
Shehzad is just not a limited overs cricketer - at best he should play in the tests.
 
#3 was the main problem today. Can't really blame openers too much for strike rotation.
 
Only Malik and Kamran played modern day cricket the way it should be played..rest were posers.
 
aaa, so let me get something straight here

Pakistan scores 300+ runs and you lot are crying about the number of dot balls?:danish
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Shehzad and Hafeez plays too many dot balls and sorry i feel they play selfishly. Team players over selfish players every day of the week
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? um 88 of 92 balls.

Funny how the fan favorite Babar gets ignored though.

Oh i get the point of the thread.

Because the fans hated player, Hafeez, performed today, so we gotta find new ways to bash him, even if its a 300+ plus score match
 
Major said:
aaa, so let me get something straight here

Pakistan scores 300+ runs and you lot are crying about the number of dot balls?:danish
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We won't be playing WI everyday
 
any good batting line up would have scored 350 here against this WI side. That 1 hour without a boundary was horrible and frustrating to watch. If we're not delivering a killing blow to this WI bowling, I dont know what will happen against SA in CT later this year
 
Hawkeye said:
Sarfraz dhoka nahi dega!! :srini

Look guys, I called it out in the other thread why it's happening.

We simply don't have the batsmen for LOIs. The entire train of accumulators is like a PLAGUE for Pakistan cricket


These are not Tests for heaven's sake. Imagine what will a good opposition do to a side with Shehzad, Malik, Sarfraz, Imad Wasim in it.

Expect more of this and more mauling against top loi sides.
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Ironically, Sarfraz and Malik are the best (PAK ODI batsmen) at rotating the strike and running between the wickets, Imad is nod bad at it either.
 
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Look at our players' SRs when they are not hitting boundaries, and compare them with AB Dv and Kohli.

Kamran, Hafeez and Shehzad are pathetic in this regard. Babar and Sarfraz are the only two players who have an SR over 55 when not hitting boundaries, and Babar averages over 50, so he is without doubt our best player in this format. Shoaib is on the borderline.

People in this thread have mistakenly assumed that our problems lie in lack of hard-hitting batsmen in the lower order. While that is true to some extent, the main problem lies in the approach that you need to score only boundaries to move forward.

Shehzad, Kamran and Hafeez are the epitomes of this phenomenon, and if you expect our fortunes to change with them, you are grossly mistaken. Sharjeel would also have scored high on this scale, but at least his overall SR was over 100. These three however will hit 20 runs in 30 balls with 4 fours and 26 dot balls.
 

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Look at our players' SRs when they are not hitting boundaries, and compare them with AB Dv and Kohli.

Kamran, Hafeez and Shehzad are pathetic in this regard. Babar and Sarfraz are the only two players who have an SR over 55 when not hitting boundaries, and Babar averages over 50, so he is without doubt our best player in this format. Shoaib is on the borderline.

People in this thread have mistakenly assumed that our problems lie in lack of hard-hitting batsmen in the lower order. While that is true to some extent, the main problem lies in the approach that you need to score only boundaries to move forward.

Shehzad, Kamran and Hafeez are the epitomes of this phenomenon, and if you expect our fortunes to change with them, you are grossly mistaken. Sharjeel would also have scored high on this scale, but at least his overall SR was over 100. These three however will hit 20 runs in 30 balls with 4 fours and 26 dot balls.
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Excellent post.
As I said earlier, Sarfraz and Malik are best in our team at rotating the strike.
Professor is simply Pathetic.
 
Major said:
? um 88 of 92 balls.

Funny how the fan favorite Babar gets ignored though.

Oh i get the point of the thread.

Because the fans hated player, Hafeez, performed today, so we gotta find new ways to bash him, even if its a 300+ plus score match
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thread is about dot balls.
 
Sarfraz shouldn't bat below 5. Hafeez should play at 6 because he's not gonna get dropped after today's knock
 
Pak players do not like to run and many do not seem to have the fitness and stamina.

Same with West Indies players. They are powerful. But their fitness is pathetic and their endurance is even worse. Guys like Gayle, Pollard, Dwayne Smith, Bravo, Russell, Brathwaite... are all what is wrong with Windies cricket. Unfit and unathletic.

Pak players do not seem to take fitness seriously. A 43 years old Misbah is still the fittest guy in the team says a lot.
 
asfandyar said:
I did an analysis a few years ago on the strike rotation capabilities of our batsmen. Honestly, was expecting a POTW award for that, but that's just me. Sarfraz, Haris and Fawad had a pretty decent SR when not scoring boundaries, which is an indicator of how many dot balls they play.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ay-to-analyze-consistency-and-strike-rotation
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Good stuff.

Not sure where I came across this formula, perhaps it was your thread - I use it from time to time as well.

Sharjeel's dot ball percentage was ridiculously high but he more than made up for it with boundaries. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?255844&highlight=#post9089173

The problem with (most of) the current lot is that they don't hit enough boundaries (mostly) to make up for the number of dot balls they play.
 
Hawkeye said:
Sarfraz dhoka nahi dega!! :srini

Look guys, I called it out in the other thread why it's happening.

We simply don't have the batsmen for LOIs. The entire train of accumulators is like a PLAGUE for Pakistan cricket


These are not Tests for heaven's sake. Imagine what will a good opposition do to a side with Shehzad, Malik, Sarfraz, Imad Wasim in it.

Expect more of this and more mauling against top loi sides.
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I don't get your obsession with constantly discrediting Sarfaraz when he along with Malik are our 2 best strike rotators? :facepalm:

Give it a rest.

For all others point stands. It's a technical issue from batting point of view as to how to maneuver the field.
 
godzilla said:
Shehzad is just not a limited overs cricketer - at best he should play in the tests.
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I've felt for sometime that Shehzad will thrive in test cricket and he was starting to before his concussion and then subsequent drop from the team for disciplinary issues. But he's still a solid option for ODIs provided we have Sharjeel batting next to him.

Shehzad has shown the ability to convert his 50s to 100s in ODIs. If he can basically start his innings better and not get bogged down he'll be a fine opener in ODIs as well. This is the biggest area of emphasis for improvement for Shehzad really. He improves in this aspect and he'll become a lot more consistent in ODIs and it will help him as a test batsman as well to simply get off strike more often.

With that said, I'd much rather invest in Shehzad right now given his age then Azhar, Kami and Hafeez any day of the week!

In absence of Sharjeel, Fakhar should be given the other opening slot seeing as how he opens in domestic. It's unfair to select him and the park him on the bench in favor of Kami who doesn't have any future in ODIs.
 
One question for OP, what is Sarfraz's, Imad's or Malik's fault today?? Malik played perfectly fine, Sarfraz played better than expected for a number 6 and Imad only faced 6 balls. You ignore the real problem and say that Sarfarz and Malik are the issue:facepalm:
 
Abdullah719 said:
Good stuff.

Not sure where I came across this formula, perhaps it was your thread - I use it from time to time as well.

Sharjeel's dot ball percentage was ridiculously high but he more than made up for it with boundaries. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?255844&highlight=#post9089173

The problem with (most of) the current lot is that they don't hit enough boundaries (mostly) to make up for the number of dot balls they play.
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Sharjeel showed improvement in this regard vs Australia ... It's unfortunate that having an incredible series individually he got mired with spot fixing allegation. He'd have feasted in the Caribbean.

But yeah his ability to hit boundaries alleviates the problem quite a lot, but the good thing as I said he was willing to rotate strike more in the Aussie series which was a promising sign.
 
aloo paratha said:
One question for OP, what is Sarfraz's, Imad's or Malik's fault today?? Malik played perfectly fine, Sarfraz played better than expected for a number 6 and Imad only faced 6 balls. You ignore the real problem and say that Sarfarz and Malik are the issue:facepalm:
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I support those three, I'm not Hawkeye.
Read posts #21 and #22
 
boomboom6 said:
I don't get your obsession with constantly discrediting Sarfaraz when he along with Malik are our 2 best strike rotators? :facepalm:

Give it a rest.

For all others point stands. It's a technical issue from batting point of view as to how to maneuver the field.
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Cannot have 4 strike rotators in the side.

The sooner PCB and fans realize this, the better. It's not 80s or 90s.
 
that tuk tuk from Hafeez, Shehzad and Babar, have come back to haunt us.

This was a 350 run pitch.

:facepalm:
 
Some batsmen batting for themselves and not for the team.

Looking at their own averages instead of the team's goals.
 
Saj said:
Some batsmen batting for themselves and not for the team.

Looking at their own averages instead of the team's goals.
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this was proved today.

But the sad reality is that they booked their ticket for the next few series after scoring 50.

Gutless performance
 
We suck.

The end.
Simple as.

Said years ago this will happen, when the chairman is a clueless plonker
you know we are going to be screwed
 
So, the tournament that was the basis for ahmed Shehzads comeback. He scored the bulk of his aggressive runs in his last two games. There were other guys who were opening and did that the enite tournament. Kamran was poor in the tournament and if you feel your pain won't get any worse you should brace yourself for kamran a performance to follow his average in the next two games
 
Saj said:
Some batsmen batting for themselves and not for the team.

Looking at their own averages instead of the team's goals.
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When we and the commentators can see it, why is it so hard for the team management to see it.
 
Syed1 said:
When we and the commentators can see it, why is it so hard for the team management to see it.
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Well the issue is that the management cannot go out there and bat for these players.

But there again these guys keep earning recalls again and again.
 
Dot balls aside, this was one of those matches which was not lost by the batsmen.
 
Sarfraz is good at strike rotation, so why is he batting at 6? :facepalm:

Malik and Sarfraz at 4/5 was a good line up and we ruined it for the sake of the professer who is rubbish away from Asia.
 
Hello everyone. I have been lurking on the forum for a while, today I decided to make a account because I had to comment on the selfish batting display shown by shezad and hafeez. It was frustrating to watch hafeez leave deliveries in the middle of the innings. I hope the team does very poorly in the champions trophy that will be the only way to get rid of these selfish players who are causing the downward spiral for Pakistan cricket.
 
Hasan123 said:
Sarfraz is good at strike rotation, so why is he batting at 6? :facepalm:

Malik and Sarfraz at 4/5 was a good line up and we ruined it for the sake of the professer who is rubbish away from Asia.
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he was rubbish even today his 85 means nothing in modern cricket it was a match losing innings.
 
The batting line up should be:

Sharjeel
Sami Aslam
Babar Azam
Sarfraz
Khalid Latif
Malik
Fakhar Zaman/ Hussain Talat
 
Pakistan middle order does not have dynamic batters , they need to find soon , otherwise 300 will not be good enough.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">141 dot balls in the 1st ODI<br>Already after 20 overs, 72 dot balls by the Pakistan batsmen in the 2nd ODI<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851088128987320321">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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87 Dot Balls ... thats almost 15 overs blocked out ... at just half way stage against the mighty West Indies :))
 
Speedster777 said:
Most of these dot balls are wasted by hafeez.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Hafeez last 2 innings:<br>Total balls faced 142<br>Total dot balls 70<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851095120749506560">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Hafeez last 2 innings:<br>Total balls faced 142<br>Total dot balls 70<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851095120749506560">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Terrible terrible stuff.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Hafeez last 2 innings:<br>Total balls faced 142<br>Total dot balls 70<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851095120749506560">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Please show this to Mickey and Inzi who constantly say that they have to improve the brand of cricket quickly

:facepalm:
 
So these are the guys Fawad is not good enough to compete with... even he had a strike rate of 90-100 in the ending overs, despite "not being able to hit sixies"
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan batting 1st ODI - 141 dot balls<br>Pakistan batting 2nd ODI - 144 dot balls<br>Total dot balls 285 (47.3 overs)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851124032942596100">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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actually too many accumulators in our team. Even babar is modren day accumulator but hafeez and Shahzad are still living in 80s
 
anakwalajinn said:
So these are the guys Fawad is not good enough to compete with... even he had a strike rate of 90-100 in the ending overs, despite "not being able to hit sixies"
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I bet If Fawad walks in right now he'll fair better than Hafeez
 
This is a good score but still too many dot balls for you guys. Heard one of the commentators say you had 135+ dot balls.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
This is a good score but still too many dot balls for you guys. Heard one of the commentators say you had 135+ dot balls.
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These UAE wickets are such i.e. extremely slow and grindy. Even India barring Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan, the rest of the batsmen struggled to score freely or fluently on these wickets.

Watch these same Pakistani batsmen play on Pakistani and Indian wickets and they will score at a faster S/R and play more expansive shots.
 
Savak said:
These UAE wickets are such i.e. extremely slow and grindy. Even India barring Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan, the rest of the batsmen struggled to score freely or fluently on these wickets.

Watch these same Pakistani batsmen play on Pakistani and Indian wickets and they will score at a faster S/R and play more expansive shots.
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This wicket is very good. It's Sharjah!

Free scoring by the Aussies, showing how it's done.

Imam, Shan, are liabilities when they score slow. Need minimum 90 SR.
 
Hawkeye said:
This wicket is very good. It's Sharjah!

Free scoring by the Aussies, showing how it's done.

Imam, Shan, are liabilities when they score slow. Need minimum 90 SR.
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I got chastised for calling this out in regards to Imam. He needs to approach ODI cricket in the same way he approaches T20 or he should bat in the middle order
 
Rana said:
I got chastised for calling this out in regards to Imam. He needs to approach ODI cricket in the same way he approaches T20 or he should bat in the middle order
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Yeah, Imam brigade struggles a bit to handle constructive criticism.

I like him in Tests, ODIs too, but for us to have a chance at the WC, he needs to up his strike rate.

Openers need to be able play at 90+ strike rate. It's the best and THE spot for quick scoring.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of dot balls for Pakistan against Australia:<br><br>1st ODI 133<br>2nd ODI 127<br><br>Total 260 balls (43.2 overs)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110127150684913665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Number of dot balls for Australia against Pakistan:

1st ODI 121
2nd ODI 120

Total 241 balls (40.1 overs)

Not a big difference.
 
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