Pat Cummins for KKR and now SRH: Disastrous Investment?

[Rana]

His Stats in this year's IPL as an overseas buy:

Overs: 26
Runs: 222
Wickets: 2
Economy: 8.53
Average: 111.00

His fees: Indian rupees 15.5 crores ($2.1M)

Compare this to another overseas Pacer Anrich Nortje:

Overs: 28
Runs: 202
Wickets: 8
Economy: 7.21
Average:25.25

His fees: Indian rupees 1.5 crores ($200k)

In this context, stats like Cummins are highly unacceptable. He may have overtly inflated the overseas fast bowler market, as bowlers like Rabada will most likely deserve twice as much as how much Cummins has robbed the KKR Franchise owners for.

There is no excuses for Cummins to not perform here, bowlers far more inferior to him have proven that they can adapt to these conditions. Even KKR are clueless on how to use him. Or he has demanded that he gets his overs done with in one go during the power play as they cannot trust him to bowl in the death overs.

 

[Hasan123]

Averages 20 and economy rate is under 7 in international T20s and he has bowled well in the PP overs. He is a good LO bowler. Obviously tests is his stronger suit.

 

[Rana]

Averages 20 and economy rate is under 7 in international T20s and he has bowled well in the PP overs. He is a good LO bowler. Obviously tests is his stronger suit.

Read the entire post. You were one of the posters here who said Pakistan doesnt have anyone better than Cummins even though he got smashed for 54 in 3 overs in his first outing, which wasnt even in Sharjah.

 

[Hasan123]

OP is probably making assessments after he got smashed around by Rohit and ABD lol. Like that has not happened to a lot of bowlers.


Pat Cummins is a top class bowler and the critiscm and mocking of him by some on PP is a joke.

 

[Rana]

Oh yeah, and Nortje/Rabada/Cotteral/Archer/Boult/Pattinson...All Category A overseas Pace bowlers have bowled as bad as Cummins has in the same tournament and conditions????

Morris has overtaken Cummins in 8 overs with 5 wickets.

Siraj has 3 wickets in 7 overs for crying out loud!

 

[Rana]

Trolls and haters may exaggerate

But the numbers don’t lie. What a shocking signing for KKR!

 

[Varun]

Where does all this $$$ come from?

I wish I even had a single $.

 

[cricketjoshila]

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These are the figures of Cummins in the matches Kkr won. Thats how important he is to kkr. He bowls well, KKR wins.

Ofcourse trolls dont like the $2.2mn figure, for obvious reasons.

 

[silentkiller187]

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1-13
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These are the figures of Cummins in the matches Kkr won. Thats how important he is to kkr. He bowls well, KKR wins.

Ofcourse trolls dont like the $2.2mn figure, for obvious reasons.

Those figures in match winning performances don't look like the sort you would expect as a ROI after spending $2.2m.

 

[Rana]

Those figures in match winning performances don't look like the sort you would expect as a ROI after spending $2.2m.

Exactly man. Look at Rabada and Archer’s bowling, figures and wickets in comparison to Cummins.

Can you imagine Real Madrid spending £150m on a Striker who scores possibly 10 goals in the season but has provided plenty of assists and hold ups? They will clearly feel robbed

 

[Rana]

Jofra Archer

Overs: 28
Runs: 191
Wickets: 9
Economy: 6.82
Average: 21.22

Fees: 7.2 crores ($1 Million)

Most of his games have been in Sharjah out of all places!

 

[Varun]

Jofra Archer

Overs: 28
Runs: 191
Wickets: 9
Economy: 6.82
Average: 21.22

Fees: 7.2 crores ($1 Million)

Most of his games have been in Sharjah out of all places!

Is that good or bad?

 

[Rana]

Is that good or bad?

It’s pretty decent considering the fees and the fact that they have played quite a few games at Sharjah where going at 10 an over is the base.

It’s magnificent in comparison to Cummins at least

 

[MHN1293]

Is that good or bad?

Thats good for $ 1m . Even when other bowlers are getting smashed he has managed to keep an economy rate of 6.8 and an aberage of 21 isnt bad either.

 

[Varun]

Thats good for $ 1m . Even when other bowlers are getting smashed he has managed to keep an economy rate of 6.8 and an aberage of 21 isnt bad either.

Sure, but you can't equate it to money. A low-paid player shouldn't get off easy in a T20 game just because he's paid $500,000, and a $2M earning player shouldn't be on the gun at all times just because of those fees.

 

[MMHS]

I think, it’s the IPL franchise that decides who is worth how much. The average wage paid in IPL is much higher than other T20 leagues therefore everyone’s wage is inflated. Cummins was world’s premier fast bowler, the poster boy of Australian cricket and Aussies have the highest pull in IPL - I don’t think investment in sports has only one matrix. KKR is run by professionals and they do know what they are doing.

I don’t follow T20 much, but do keep an eye on KKR’s game - apart from one game where Sharma smashed him, I don’t think he has been a disaster, but yes there are better pacers than Cummins n this year’s IPL who are paid lower than him. This can happen in every league & in every sports - Arsenal is paying about a million £ every month after tax to Ozil and he got a loyalty bonus of £8mn as well for sticking to Arsenal, despite not playing a single minute in last 29 weeks. In that note Virat Kohli is also a disastrous investment this year ...... There are many such.

 

[Rana]

Sure, but you can't equate it to money. A low-paid player shouldn't get off easy in a T20 game just because he's paid $500,000, and a $2M earning player shouldn't be on the gun at all times just because of those fees.

This is the world of professional sports, and IPL is a competitive market. You are taking another players spot. Your financial figures which are laid out in public will make other agents/players expect heavy pay days if you can deliver better at the inflated price of the failure.

Its a hostile business and not free money for a fun fair

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Never mock a player like Cummins,world class players like him have the habit of making strong comebacks don't underestimate him, or you'll be left with egg on your face

Secondly this isnt the first time that a highly payed player has failed to perform to his standards.Yuvraj Singh never had a good ipl but he has topped the pay chart quite a few times and he deserved it as he was an international success and so is cummins,One IPL season means squat.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Trolls and haters may exaggerate

But the numbers don’t lie. What a shocking signing for KKR!

Not really. He's won them 2-3 matches through excellent bowling in the opening and death overs but was unlucky not to pick any wickets. His numbers have also been spoilt by two outlier matches.

No wonder KKR will continue to persist with him. Such quality is on their own can win you those crucial knockout matches and hence command a premium. Also, KKR needed an international pacer to guide their young Indian pace brigade of Nagarkotti, Mavi and Prasidh. Seems to be going well so far.

Being the premium Test and ODI international bowler, he totally deserves the price tag of 15 cr, a result of a bidding war between teams.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Never mock a player like Cummins,world class players like him have the habit of making strong comebacks don't underestimate him, or you'll be left with egg on your face

Secondly this isnt the first time that a highly payed player has failed to perform to his standards.Yuvraj Singh never had a good ipl but he has topped the pay chart quite a few times and he deserved it as he was an international success and so is cummins,One IPL season means squat.

Cummins is a good test bowler in SENA. He has never been good outside SENa even in tests. His real auakat will get destroyed when he tours India again away.

In odi he is a good bowler overall but not a great one.

In T20 he is a mediocre bowler.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

This is the world of professional sports, and IPL is a competitive market. You are taking another players spot. Your financial figures which are laid out in public will make other agents/players expect heavy pay days if you can deliver better at the inflated price of the failure.

Its a hostile business and not free money for a fun fair

That gets decided by how many franchises are interested to have a player in their squad. Till the time he remains a top international bowler, Cummins will keep commanding a premium in whichever league he opts to play for.

 

[Rana]

Never mock a player like Cummins,world class players like him have the habit of making strong comebacks don't underestimate him, or you'll be left with egg on your face

Secondly this isnt the first time that a highly payed player has failed to perform to his standards.Yuvraj Singh never had a good ipl but he has topped the pay chart quite a few times and he deserved it as he was an international success and so is cummins,One IPL season means squat.

Egg on face for what? Even Torres scored 2 goals in a game against United after his £50m move to Chelsea. One off performances can happen and everyone will be like ‘he’s back’ and ‘this is why you pay $2M for him’. But over a consistent period of time, the man has been a failure for his fees.

The proof is that the Franchise have no choice at the moment but to bowl him out whilst he is going for below 8 runs per over even if he’s not getting any wickets up front. It’s their way of using his 4 overs and not feeling let down or embarrassed by him.

Nagarkoti and Russell are bowling important death overs whereas Premier fast bowler Cummins has bowled out and is now fielding at long on

 

[MMHS]

Draft picks are always risky and often doesn’t go by conventional player’s merit or performance.

The highest level of pre-draft analysis is done in US sports, because each NBA, NFL teams has robust scouting network & they have data available as well - before pro career NBA, NFL, MLB .... players spend at least 2 years in NCAA and plays significant number of games.

Still there are disasters - few years back Cleveland Cav picked Anthony Bennet, a Canadian kid as first pick .... he doesn’t even start for them after 4-5 years. Trail Blazers picked Greg Oden over Kevin Durand in 2007 draft - and the guy never played a full game in career for injury. The opposite is true as well - Bryant was 13th pick, Leonard 15th & Stephen Curry probably 12. The greatest draft pick was probably Tom Brady - 6th round 199th pick won 6 Super Bowls, 4 Super Bowl MVP & 3 season MVP, 14 pro bowl (1st XV of the season) - the greatest Quarterback in NFL history who went unsold and only to be picked as supplementary by Patriots.

It’s a bit risky to justify the price of a player in bidding draft system after the season has finished. I believe KKR will pick Cummins again - that money is not that much in IPL’s domain for a player with the status of Pat Cummins.

 

[silentkiller187]

Never mock a player like Cummins,world class players like him have the habit of making strong comebacks don't underestimate him, or you'll be left with egg on your face

Secondly this isnt the first time that a highly payed player has failed to perform to his standards.Yuvraj Singh never had a good ipl but he has topped the pay chart quite a few times and he deserved it as he was an international success and so is cummins,One IPL season means squat.

I dont think anyone is mocking cummins, OP just questioned whether his price tag was justified, and at the moment the simple answer is no. He may come good later on down the line, but this is professional sports, sports stars should definitely be judged on the amount they are earning, not earning a free holiday and pay day because of what they have done previously.

However i think the discussion should be around the pressures that are associated with being the highest paid player, because i don't think any one who has topped the pay chart has gone on to "justify" their price tag in the IPL, i may be wrong but nothing stands out in my memory.

 

[MMHS]

Yes, Cummins is a failure in this IPL for his reputation and the price tag, but it’s not a bad investment at all. Among foreign picks, IPL picks hard hitting batsmen, unique/mysterious spinners and express pacers, or specialist T20 bowlers. Because, the other type of players - conventional batsmen, classical spinners, spin all rounder, WK batsmen are available in plenty domestically.

Also, in bidding draft, often the price of a player can’t be controlled by the club - KKR targeted a premier fast bowler to lead their young Indian based pace resources - Cummins fits the bill, but it might happen that they got into a bidding race and price hiked up. Still, I am sure KKR will pick him next year as well.

 

[Indiafan]

Anyone, even the best, can have one bad season. Kohli himself has had many bad seasons amd he gets paid more than Cummins

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Cummins is a good test bowler in SENA. He has never been good outside SENa even in tests. His real auakat will get destroyed when he tours India again away.

In odi he is a good bowler overall but not a great one.

In T20 he is a mediocre bowler.

Cummins will perform well in India too, i don't think you have really watched him, he will retire as an atg, there's no doubt about that. You just need to wait and watch.

 

[Ab Fan]

Things can always go wrong in auction. Franchises don't have that much of understanding of the game and they basically agree to whatever their captain, coach and TM says.

They probably wanted Pat Cummins in their team because he was the best bowler in the world at that time and there was no proof that he will not be as good in T20 as in tests.

His stocks will decline with time though, having said so he is used as a bowling all-rounder in the team and after a bad day, generally makes a good comeback in the next game. Also honestly, he is not as bad in LOIs as posters think here.

 

[Rana]

Jofra Archer, premier bowler. This is how you strike up front!

 

[JaDed]

Considering Nortje got 200k$ yeah..

 

[Savak]

Lol, reminds me of the Andrew Symonds situation. Got $1.6 million in IPL 2007 and then got whacked by Sehwag for 30 runs in an over.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Yes, Cummins is a failure in this IPL for his reputation and the price tag, but it’s not a bad investment at all. Among foreign picks, IPL picks hard hitting batsmen, unique/mysterious spinners and express pacers, or specialist T20 bowlers. Because, the other type of players - conventional batsmen, classical spinners, spin all rounder, WK batsmen are available in plenty domestically.

Also, in bidding draft, often the price of a player can’t be controlled by the club - KKR targeted a premier fast bowler to lead their young Indian based pace resources - Cummins fits the bill, but it might happen that they got into a bidding race and price hiked up. Still, I am sure KKR will pick him next year as well.

I think paying over the top for big name players is a waste. You can make some shrewd and cheap signings than be better than Cummins. Ultimately such risky signings can be costly.

Let's look at soccer. Bayern focused on cheap signings and developed them and now they are the best. Barcelona made expensive ones that don't fit the team and now they are in shambles .

KKR have done this by picking a Test bowler based on reputation and expecting him to perform in T20 cricket, in Asian pitches. It just doesn't fit the team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Those figures in match winning performances don't look like the sort you would expect as a ROI after spending $2.2m.

Who decides whats the ROI they are looking for? Who decides what the bowler's role is?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Cummins will perform well in India too, i don't think you have really watched him, he will retire as an atg, there's no doubt about that. You just need to wait and watch.

No he won't. He already failed in tests back in 2017 vs India. He will get smashed everywhere in India. He may be an ATG test bowler but he is only good in SENA. He is poor in Asia just like the rest of the overrated cans from Australia Post McGrath.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

No he won't. He already failed in tests back in 2017 vs India. He will get smashed everywhere in India. He may be an ATG test bowler but he is only good in SENA. He is poor in Asia just like the rest of the overrated cans from Australia Post McGrath.

Think your right here. Also let's not forget that India team he faced in 2017 was a very fatigued team that had just had a very long season, with Kohli at his worst form ever. That was his best chance.

Cummins gives me Ryan Harris vibes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cummins is a good test bowler in SENA. He has never been good outside SENa even in tests. His real auakat will get destroyed when he tours India again away.

In odi he is a good bowler overall but not a great one.

In T20 he is a mediocre bowler.

What are the stats of Cummins in T20Is? Can you look that up?

Its amusing how you talk about Aukaat of Cummins outside SENA, but rate a batsman as among top 3 despite he having 1 century in SENA and avging in 20s and 30s in Aus and SA.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

What are the stats of Cummins in T20Is? Can you look that up?

Its amusing how you talk about Aukaat of Cummins outside SENA, but rate a batsman as among top 3 despite he having 1 century in SENA and avging in 20s and 30s in Aus and SA.

Consider that Cummins has played most of his T20 games on home pitches. He generally gets rested from T20 matches other than a few home ones. But he is not suited at all to bowl on UAE pitches for T20 cricket.

 

[MMHS]

Consider that Cummins has played most of his T20 games on home pitches. He generally gets rested from T20 matches other than a few home ones. But he is not suited at all to bowl on UAE pitches for T20 cricket.

He has the ingredients to be successful in every conditions, in every format. It’s the length that’s he is missing for UAE and this can happen to any one when you play on a different surface first time. Imran on his first spell in that 1976 Aussie tour went for 0-115 .... by third Test he could fix the Australian length and got 12/170 or so at SCG.

If KKR makes the playoff, you’ll see a different Cummins, even in this IPL & in UAE.

 

[Indiafan]

No he won't. He already failed in tests back in 2017 vs India. He will get smashed everywhere in India. He may be an ATG test bowler but he is only good in SENA. He is poor in Asia just like the rest of the overrated cans from Australia Post McGrath.

And Kohli failed in England in his first tour. But scored almost 600 in his next one

 

[tyron_woodley]

And Kohli failed in England in his first tour. But scored almost 600 in his next one

lol kohli is a GOAT tier level player.
cummins would barely be an ATG player and that too only in tests due to SENA exploits like the stat padding vernon philander.

 

[tyron_woodley]

What are the stats of Cummins in T20Is? Can you look that up?

Its amusing how you talk about Aukaat of Cummins outside SENA, but rate a batsman as among top 3 despite he having 1 century in SENA and avging in 20s and 30s in Aus and SA.

he averaged 50 plus vs australia in the recent series.
babar is the best under 30 player. kane's record in india and asia is pretty bad.
root i agree has fared better but he score 50 plus average in a series where england got spanked 4 0 by india. It was the flattest of pitches.

babar is the better player already.

 

[Varun]

Its amusing how you talk about Aukaat of Cummins outside SENA, but rate a batsman as among top 3 despite he having 1 century in SENA and avging in 20s and 30s in Aus and SA.

Who is this player? Inzamam?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who is this player? Inzamam?

Babar Azam.

 

[cricketjoshila]

he averaged 50 plus vs australia in the recent series.
babar is the best under 30 player. kane's record in india and asia is pretty bad.
root i agree has fared better but he score 50 plus average in a series where england got spanked 4 0 by india. It was the flattest of pitches.

babar is the better player already.

He avgs in 20s in Australia.

This is nit picking, best under 30. Lol.

Kane's avg in India is better than Babar's in Aus.

Babar avgd 50 plus in a series where Pakistanis were white washed and yasir shah avgd 48 plus.

Babar is far away from kane or root.

 

[Varun]

Babar Azam.

He's just getting started, let's evaluate that Aus/SA record 10 years from now. He can evolve and have a good series like Pujara.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He avgs in 20s in Australia.

This is nit picking, best under 30. Lol.

Kane's avg in India is better than Babar's in Aus.

Babar avgd 50 plus in a series where Pakistanis were white washed and yasir shah avgd 48 plus.

Babar is far away from kane or root.

because they have played more games. you are acting like root and kane are at kohli and smith's level?
babar is easily better than kane and root based on his performances over the past 2 years.

so you are saying you would pick kane or root over babar based on current form?

 

[tyron_woodley]

He's just getting started, let's evaluate that Aus/SA record 10 years from now. He can evolve and have a good series like Pujara.

btw pujara is ahead of root and kane too. both can only dream of performing like puji in australia back in 2018.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It is funny to see my fellow Indian fans defending Cummins and calling him a future ATG. Not even Australian fans will defend him like this.

 

[Rana]

It is funny to see my fellow Indian fans defending Cummins and calling him a future ATG. Not even Australian fans will defend him like this.

I know right. It’s not even a secret agenda to devalue the guy by a Pakistan fan. I have clearly cited examples of ‘overseas’ fast bowlers who are not even half down to 1/10th of his value performing far far better

 

[tyron_woodley]

It is funny to see my fellow Indian fans defending Cummins and calling him a future ATG. Not even Australian fans will defend him like this.

we just had some tamil nadu fan of dhoni paint and decorate his house into a shrine for dhoni rofl. SUch is the mentality of some indians. Its ridiculous. They love to act like sycophants.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I know right. It’s not even a secret agenda to devalue the guy by a Pakistan fan. I have clearly cited examples of ‘overseas’ fast bowlers who are not even half down to 1/10th of his value performing far far better

in odi i can name about 7 bowlers i would take over him.

in t20, let alone the premier bowlers, i would take even wahav over him.

even in tests, he has only been good in SENA.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

No he won't. He already failed in tests back in 2017 vs India. He will get smashed everywhere in India. He may be an ATG test bowler but he is only good in SENA. He is poor in Asia just like the rest of the overrated cans from Australia Post McGrath.

He averages 30. 25in india str rate 57 and economy 3.1 that's hardly a failure.
Also he avgs 29 in bangladesh so there's absolutely no proof of what you have posted.
Also judging a bowler from just one tour is absolutely ridiculous, as i said wait and watch. If there is one player in the world who's guaranteed to achieve atg status, its pat cummins

 

[tyron_woodley]

He averages 30. 25in india str rate 57 and economy 3.1 that's hardly a failure.
Also he avgs 29 in bangladesh so there's absolutely no proof of what you have posted.
Also judging a bowler from just one tour is absolutely ridiculous, as i said wait and watch. If there is one player in the world who's guaranteed to achieve atg status, its pat cummins

Bumrah will go down as an ATG as long as he is fit in all formats. Not Cummins. S
SCummins is only good in SENA.
He is a Vernon stat padding fraud.
30 is poor for an ATG wannabe.

Besides that was after the top tier level prep Australia had prior to the India series and still managed to lose.

India never took an away tour so seriously since 2008. Imagine if India actually played several practice test series prior and borrowed Australian soil to replicate the bouncy nature of Australian pitches in India lol. It would be a carnage. SCummins would get deflated again.

 

[prakash]

Cummins salary in IPL 2020. Assuming he plays all matches and bowls the full quota of 4 overs:

Per ball bowled: $6,250 = Rs.4,8 lakhs
Per over bowled: $37,500 = Rs. 28.8 lakhs

Obscene amount of money. There is no justification for that kind of dough.

 

[Rana]

Cummins salary in IPL 2020. Assuming he plays all matches and bowls the full quota of 4 overs:

Per ball bowled: $6,250 = Rs.4,8 lakhs
Per over bowled: $37,500 = Rs. 28.8 lakhs

Obscene amount of money. There is no justification for that kind of dough.

Especially when you compare it to Nortje, Archer and Rabada.

 

[Indiafan]

Especially when you compare it to Nortje, Archer and Rabada.

As has been pointed out multiple times, even ATG players can have one bad season. Point out any ATG in any sports who haven't had a bad season

 

[Indiafan]

It is funny to see my fellow Indian fans defending Cummins and calling him a future ATG. Not even Australian fans will defend him like this.

yet unlike you, we are the only one quoting facts and statistics to back it up. Facts don't agree with your feelings, too bad

 

[Rana]

As has been pointed out multiple times, even ATG players can have one bad season. Point out any ATG in any sports who haven't had a bad season

So you are admitting this was a disastrous signing? I have no issues with him failing, I do have an issue with him failing but inflating the market.

 

[Rana]

yet unlike you, we are the only one quoting facts and statistics to back it up. Facts don't agree with your feelings, too bad

What are the facts and statistics? Cummins is averaging 111 at an economy of 8.5. That’s not even good enough to be considered mediocre.

 

[Rana]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Archer, Nortje, Rabada and a few others demand that they are released by their Franchises in order to be back in the auction and look for a huge, huge payday with Cummins failing magnificently, but still bagging $8k a delivery.

 

[silentkiller187]

Who decides whats the ROI they are looking for? Who decides what the bowler's role is?

Im talking purely from a cricket point of view, i would not pay 2.2m for a bowler who returns figures like that, therefore in my opinion in cricketing terms its a rubbish investment. He may add one or two aussies to the viewing figures but i don't think Cummins would have such a big contribution to the marketing of the team as would say a Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic in other sports, and im sure the market for KKR shirts with the name Cummins on the back is very minimal. Therefore i am struggling to see where the return would be.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Most Aussie players have struggled badly in this tournament. All big names.
Steve Smith
Aron Finch
Pat Cummins
Glen Maxwell
Dave Warner

Only Stoinis is doing well.

 

[MMHS]

Most Aussie players have struggled badly in this tournament. All big names.
Steve Smith
Aron Finch
Pat Cummins
Glen Maxwell
Dave Warner

Only Stoinis is doing well.

Their game is back-foot dominated & pacers bowl a typical Aussie length - both 180 degree apart from UAE. For UAE, you need front foot hitters & slingers ......

 

[MMHS]

Im talking purely from a cricket point of view, i would not pay 2.2m for a bowler who returns figures like that, therefore in my opinion in cricketing terms its a rubbish investment. He may add one or two aussies to the viewing figures but i don't think Cummins would have such a big contribution to the marketing of the team as would say a Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic in other sports, and im sure the market for KKR shirts with the name Cummins on the back is very minimal. Therefore i am struggling to see where the return would be.

Bro, Ronaldo earns 2.2mn almost per week........ it can’t be even compared between soccer & cricket. For Indian market & cricket economy, Pat Cummins is a big name, marketable commodity- he is worth every penny, when IPLs budget is like ten times of his wage. In every sports, top few players consume almost 35-40% of total wage bill. KDB earns $500K/Week at ManCity ..... and in same club Phil Foden $23-25k/Week max, that too for his English passport, otherwise it would have been $10-12K- do you think it makes sense?

 

[Rana]

Worth every penny they say

I hope Nortje demands a release from his contract. He is worth twice the amount you pay for Cummins.

 

[Panchujeev]

Worth every penny they say

I hope Nortje demands a release from his contract. He is worth twice the amount you pay for Cummins.

If he keep performing like this he will definitely pocket big amount in future...and also you can't write off player like Cummins just because of few bad games.

 

[Smudger]

This is such a stupid thread for a number of reason
1. Season is'nt over
2. No investment is made with a guarantee that it will pay rich dividends
3. Players are paid on their marketability otherwise Natranjan would be paid more
4. He has bowled well in patches. You cant expect a bowler to get 2-3 wickets every match in a t20

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

yet unlike you, we are the only one quoting facts and statistics to back it up. Facts don't agree with your feelings, too bad

What are you talking about? Stats are mentioned in the OP. I will still say that not even Aussie fans will defend their players like this. At least I am not distributing ATG status like halwa puri here.

 

[Rana]

This is such a stupid thread for a number of reason
1. Season is'nt over
2. No investment is made with a guarantee that it will pay rich dividends
3. Players are paid on their marketability otherwise Natranjan would be paid more
4. He has bowled well in patches. You cant expect a bowler to get 2-3 wickets every match in a t20

How is it a stupid thread to question his price tag when superior performers to him are getting paid 1/2 of what he is getting paid? Do you just read the title or do you actually care to make the comparisons to what Archer, Rabada and Nortje are getting paid??????

Come at me again when you’ve done your research

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bro, Ronaldo earns 2.2mn almost per week........ it can’t be even compared between soccer & cricket. For Indian market & cricket economy, Pat Cummins is a big name, marketable commodity- he is worth every penny, when IPLs budget is like ten times of his wage. In every sports, top few players consume almost 35-40% of total wage bill. KDB earns $500K/Week at ManCity ..... and in same club Phil Foden $23-25k/Week max, that too for his English passport, otherwise it would have been $10-12K- do you think it makes sense?

UFC fighters earn only 18% of the revenue stream

 

[MMHS]

UFC fighters earn only 18% of the revenue stream

You got the maths wrong. It’s not about pie of total revenue.

Look at club level - not as a whole. I read an article some where - top 6 players (the highest minutes played in a season) earn about 35% of the wage for a squad of 35-38. This is more or less similar in top leagues.

For the UFC example, revenue share 18% is not the issue - it’s about what % is top fighters taking from that 18%. Say, a club or franchise (I don’t know how they operate) is paying $100 per day to its fighters - say 12 fighters in roster. Of that $100, top three fighters will take at least 50%..... just like CR is paid over $1mn/week at Juve .... next man is at $150k....

 

[Rayyman]

Dude couldn’t get get out Yasir Shah. Tha hell u expect from him against Indian batsman?

Arguably the most overrated bowler of this era.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Jaydev Unadkat was purchased for around INR 13 crores. This is still Pat Cummins, a premier fast bowler. Lol. I remember even Flintoff getting sold for a very large amount but didn't give much return. I guess this happens in franchise cricket. Bidders place higher amount on certain players depending on the team combination. Also, I'm not sure but hasn't he contributed with the bat? Maybe that justifies the higher price tag.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You can't blame a franchise for going ALL IN on a premium pacer.

That too a proven international top bowler.

When it works, such moves help you win titles.

1. Malinga & Bumrah helped MI win many titles.

2. Bollinger transformed CSK and helped them win title in 2010.

3. Narine (not a pacer tho) helped KKR win 2 titles.

4. Kadaba is a freak for Delhi who literally scoops up wickets at the death. Now add in Nortje and DC are serious title contenders (whether they will win or not depends on many factors but these 2 have transformed their unit).

5. If Starc had played for RCB for an extended period of time, who knows they might have just won an IPL.

6. Dale Steyn was INCREDIBLE for Deccan Chargers (he was in his peak then). But the team was so bad they would lose from winning positions.

 

[silentkiller187]

Bro, Ronaldo earns 2.2mn almost per week........ it can’t be even compared between soccer & cricket. For Indian market & cricket economy, Pat Cummins is a big name, marketable commodity- he is worth every penny, when IPLs budget is like ten times of his wage. In every sports, top few players consume almost 35-40% of total wage bill. KDB earns $500K/Week at ManCity ..... and in same club Phil Foden $23-25k/Week max, that too for his English passport, otherwise it would have been $10-12K- do you think it makes sense?

Im not comparing the two as such, just using this as an example, the highest paid players in other sports are very marketable, Pat Cummins is not very marketable, how many billboards around the world have his face on it? if KKR have money to burn and are happy to spend it on him then that's their prerogative, however if you gave them 2.2m again and asked them to pick any fast bowler based on stats in this years IPL i have a feeling they would go elsewhere.

 

[MMHS]

Im not comparing the two as such, just using this as an example, the highest paid players in other sports are very marketable, Pat Cummins is not very marketable, how many billboards around the world have his face on it? if KKR have money to burn and are happy to spend it on him then that's their prerogative, however if you gave them 2.2m again and asked them to pick any fast bowler based on stats in this years IPL i have a feeling they would go elsewhere.

Cricket is played in only few countries, and in half of those it’s a dying sports. Cummins is a big name in India for sure to draw a bidding war. As I said, KKR needed a premium pacer for their attack and this guy fits the bill - his base price was set for his reputation and May be it went up in bidding. $2.2mn isn’t that big amount in IPL - I am sure KKR will keep him for at least one more year & it’s unlikely that next IPL will also take place in UAE.

 

[silentkiller187]

Cricket is played in only few countries, and in half of those it’s a dying sports. Cummins is a big name in India for sure to draw a bidding war. As I said, KKR needed a premium pacer for their attack and this guy fits the bill - his base price was set for his reputation and May be it went up in bidding. $2.2mn isn’t that big amount in IPL - I am sure KKR will keep him for at least one more year & it’s unlikely that next IPL will also take place in UAE.

I completely agree with you, and im not blaming KKR like i said previously if they have the money to burn then good on them. My take was more on the cricketing "ROI" because ultimately he is being paid for his work in the cricket field, and at the moment he hasn't shown anything to justify his price tag.

 

[silentkiller187]

They should have signed him as a batsmen instead

 

[Rana]

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[Rana]

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